Nakamura is not happy with one of the rules at the FIDE Grand Swiss 2023 

Very humble of them to let Var and the lady sit with them

@@seandevine4491No there are some Indian ladies on the table behind them and actually the women’s champion was also on that talbe

I'd talk about football.

@@chriszhang1660 women's what? wow

Varuzhan is honing his French Defense from the French grandmaster next to him.

well said

Players should just turn up on time then. The Isle of Mann isn't that large and most likely the hotels are in walking distance. There is no excuse to be late. Sounds like a deterrent more than anything.

​​@@smartypantschesssomething unexpected can always happen. There is never a certainty that the person will always be early. What If something important unexpectedly came up? Also, keep in mind that if the person is just a couple seconds late he will be fined up to 500$. Don't you find that ridiculous?

​@@Offcy_for unexpected is why you always start early. And if it's totally unexpected and not in your control, there will be mechanisms to address those concerns or raise an appeal for them. Don't worry

​@@mistertigergaming156 bro... you sound like a middle school teacher... "not even God can excuse you being late". I've had traffic getting me 3 hours late to a concert (near Vienna). You cannot control these things. I left *2 HOURS EARLY* and STILL came late. Imagine if the concert organizer had fined me 500$ for this... that's JUST RIDICULOUS!

Nice observation

@@PerduraviFining people for turning up late...something Magnus habitually does.

Why is Magnus not playing?

theyre so spineless lmao this organisation

They're trying to nerf Late Magnus- one of the best players in the world alongside Drunk Magnus and Party Magnus 😂

And Akobian at 2650+ peak is not too bad either!

And all would loose to goat Hans

Varuzhan should show them his video about dutch defense with the kids. They'd laugh their azz off 😂

😂 true

​@Fuzzball did you even watch the video? hikaru was saying he shouldn't be fined if he ends up late due to traffic, something out of his control

@@Fuzzball and in which one of them do you get fined $500? after 0 minutes?

@@Fuzzballany other player is sent with the team. If anyone is late, it’s the fault of the team.

Or the only channel to provide this but ya amazing work

They're really amazing with more than 10k videos about just chess related stuff

I mean, they sort of already had that with the clock. The clock is started on time. You can turn up late but the penalty is however long that is. No need to introduce fines.

@@rowanmales3430 The guy can literally come in, say hello, and go afk for an hour and comeback with no problems to play the game.

@@Xicor111 Is that a problem? It's not very respectful but that's just psychological. If he wants to waste an hour why not do it. And it's not like these players don't ever take almost an hour just to make one move anyway.

@@rowanmales3430 It's not about someone actually doing it (saying hello and leaving) and asking if it's a problem or disrespectful, but about recognizing the absurdity of the extra punishment.

@@rowanmales3430 being late can throw off your opponent, make them emotional, and be used as a psychological advantage (in theory). So fine is a very reasonable thing to do, imo.

*fide.exe has stopped working*

If u dont like the rules you are free to go home, no one forces you to participate.

​@@dragosbalan1738 They flew from around the world to compete in this tourney. Why would they go home now?

That's such a chickenshit response. You don't make them, you're just a lacky the rule-makers are hiding behind?

they are too scared of being criticized so they. have their lackeys do the shovel work

Теперь понятно, почему Магнус не приехал😂

😅 yeah Magnus would hate this rule

dude magnus is a multi millionaire, these small amounts hardly matter to him.

Yes, If clock runs out and player still hasn't arrived , straight to jail from the venue .

@@qweds3127Yes this ^

@@qweds3127 No, in such a case, it is straight to capital punishment from what I hear. Jail time is only if you make it before the match ends.

what about if Hans' cavity search delays him, is he responsible for that?

No its a 500 dollar fine the first time, second time is 5000 and third time is 3 years in prison

Can’t they just get there 30 - 60 min ahead of the match like any other sport.. and really in other sports you’re often at the venue hours ahead of schedule.

@@michaelbradley5510Depending on the situation it can be difficult. With all players you mean in open tournaments like 100+ players. And you can be late for many reasons, as in the past. People not feeling well, having to go to the bathroom as a part of it. It's fine to start the clock, but fining them 500$ and starting the clock is like double punishment, for what reason? Also in bigger tournaments procedures like metal detectors and stuff can take time. (Think about the airport and how long the security takes for a few people). There are circumstances where delay happens. And fining someone because he is 2seconds late with 500 bucks? Like really? The point Hikaru is making is not about the fine in general, but the cut off time. They reduced it to 0 Seconds. I can recall so many football games not starting on time, because of delays. Can't remember any occasion there was a fine because of that. Things... happen. No player wants to lose clock time on purpose.

no not really, if you are 30 seconds late to a 100m sprint you are technically disqualified, they wont wait on your ass

I want my opponent there on time, but I have no patience for them being late. As soon as the arbiter/director says the round is starting, their clock is starting (or after I make my move if I’m white)

@@kenconnelly773 ? Of course you start his clock, everybody agrees on that.

@@dujikasda2451 I see some people try to be “nice.” I had someone sitting at the board next to me tell me that was very rude once, then his opponent tried to make a claim against him for talking to another person after the round started (the ensuing discussion with the director was quite humorous).

@@kenconnelly773 Yeah you don't need to fine them if they are late with black pieces lol

Yeah... I agreed with this...

not enemy, opponent

Stop using enemy man, it's not that deep

This is classical format. Time really doesnt matter especailly those initial 5-10 mins

yes enemy . chess is war not buddy buddy

That would be too easy

Time format here is extremely long (100'(40 moves)+50'(20 moves)+15'+30"/move) so being late is almost not punished.

@@biophil 'almost' makes a huge difference.

Fide trying to make some bucks

​@@Radical_Middleit really doesn't. that's the point of the word 'almost'.

@@nitenuc2341 yes it does. it would not be needed otherwise. almost punished and punished makes huge difference.

Get there 5 minutes earlier? I don't understand how this is even a problem.

He's speaking on behalf of all of the players and I bet the majority of them agree with him and want the added flexibility. If there are over 100 people playing in the same location for over a week or 2, somebody will be late. Stuff happens. Chess isn't like other sports and everyone knows that. As long as somebody isn't consistently late, the other player will surely be courteous enough to not be insulted. The timer is going down regardless. This is also a sudden rule change. These guys have been playing chess for decades and suddenly there's a fine involved with being late? They have every right to disagree with the decision. It's $500 ffs.

I feel like if these guys can calculate checkmate in 12, they can calculate how long it takes to get from their hotel room to their chess board on time.

@@michaelbradley5510 guess what, life can happen and extenuating circumstances can arise...what if someone gets a phone call about a relative having a medical emergency or an accident? what if they get pulled over on the way by some really idiotic cop or something? circumstances are simply not always under your control...it would be better if arbiters had some leeway and how they apply the rules: arbiters could hear out their reason and if it happens once that you are late for 10 minutes for a good reason why is it such a big deal...if it becomes a pattern and someone is not making an effort to show up on time, by all means fine them. These are chess professionals and adults and I'm sure they are making a good effort to get to the tournament on time. Having a dumb inflexible rule to fine the players and an arbiter who is just going to throw up his hands in the air and say "i don't make the rules so I'm not gonna bother hearing you out, let FIDE deal with it and you can have a headache dealing with them if you want to explain yourself" just seems disrespectful towards the players to some extent

​@@soosh9852other sports players can do it. Just aim to be half an hour early. I can't remember a football game that was delayed because someone was stuck in traffic. For some reason chess players want to arrive exactly on time for the start of their game. Like Hikaru said, his example was a red light making him late... That's a joke.

And the fact that if you have a sponsor on your suit, FIDE wants a cut of it which is absolutely horrendous.

You mean if Ding was there?

@@experiment0003 Not Ding. Ding will volunteer to pay FIDE a fine because he is early.

Magnus is not here Because they have this rule. You have it reversed my friend.

@@da96103lmfaoooo

Thats not make sense, since clock is ticking, i didn't think its arbitraor business

But the clock will start ticking anyways so it won’t really be an issue for other player as he will gain a time advantage

​@@prathameshlotake1318 But I think it concerns the audience and general public. And that affects the organiser too. It is good to show to the chess audience and public interested in that sport that a player respects them, and their expectations. Showing up on time, and nicely dressed up, I mean, how difficult should that be?

@@zvonimirtosic6171 dude they will cut the fine even if the player is 2 seconds late. Thats why hikaru is revolting. He wants it to be 15 minutes onwards.

​@@theepicman8160 I'm sorry, every distinguished SPORT, from ping-pong, to soccer to athletics, etc. has its proper etiquette, and uniform, and expected behaviour. One of basic requirements is to be on time for the competition. If chess players can't deliver the very BASICS of sportsmanship, basic respect for audience, then they should stay home, go to the pub, or simply stop pretending they are something which they are not interested to be.

I think the intent of the rule is to fine those who are 2 seconds late, but it's poorly written as is the usual case with FIDE.

A lot of tournaments will outright forfeit your current game if you show up more than 15 minutes late. I do agree a $500 fine for ANY amount of lateness is excessive. I think increasing penalties for repeated offenses would make more sense.

200 or 500 dollars depending on the competition.

First prize open $80'000, first prize women $25'000.

@@biophil this is fair

@@biophil obv noone watches women's section

@@FutureGM09 I, personally, prefer watching the women's. There is more a chance of blunders, and strategies that actually work, which is fun to watch. The better prepared men are so near stockfish for so long that the real "genius" is hidden in all the tactics that are anticipated and evaded, and are therefore not on the board. Much harder to follow and enjoy.

@@biophil you've got a point but if you notice whenever they show a game from the women's section the the chat says to go back to men's one an and the number of spectators decreases

Fide Fines them with 500$ if they are 1sec late

Headaches. Cuz when you get paid millions of dollars from play + sponsorships it so goddamn hard to be on time to a handful of chess games after which you go live lavishly in your mansion for a couple months until you have to be on time for the next handful of chess games

when magnus wasnt late?

Good point, but too much bureaucracy takes the fun out of everything. If a player chooses to be late that is to his own detriment. Being late probably helps views anyway because people love the drama aspect of it.@@bobdole7292

Magnus vacated his title because he's too egotistical to have it stripped from him by the next generation.

@@bobdole7292 i think it'd be different if Magnus wasn't treated like an animal at a zoo by most people. These guys are human like the rest of us, just much much MUCH better at chess

Isle of mann, they are not in switzerland

The Swiss refers to the scoring system, not the country

checkmate.

I didn't see Magnus speak up

​@@loui7210he wasn't participating

@@loui7210 hikaru makes more money from content i think these days

Hikaru is not very likable but for some reason his haters are consistently some of the stupidest people on the internet and typically lacking character or integrity. They invariably sound like children. It is weird.

@@chrisf5828really? I thought the same about his fanboys and people that make contradicting excuses for him 🤫🤡

@@chrisf5828 They are but that shit is hilarious. HIS TINY LEGS HE SAID BAHAHAHA

@@chrisf5828you’re projecting bro

His fast brain made him a multi millionaire tho

yes you can, players are not forced to pay, they can just forfeit the tournament instead...

I presume the fines come out of the prize money, or possibly future entry fees (even though GMs and IMs usually have no fees to pay).

So we going to get a lawyer that costs more money than the fine itself?

@@lucasmatsuoca you look to young and to dumb so im not going to write anything more on this topic

they probably have to agree to the tournament rules to participate

Magnus wouldn't have allowed this!

chess players stay up late preparing for games, got to grab a snaks coffee, bathroom etc... this rule is ridiculous

Spot on.

@@vixr9557shut up

​@@vixr9557what's the rule actually ?

I think players have to be on time and can't be late more than 3min something like that

Exactly

Kids make it after they're already late. Hikaru is asking for an exception before he could be late. Big difference.

For having an IQ of 160 or whatever absurd # it is, he made some atrociously dumb points. “It shouldn’t be between 0-15, it should be 3-15. What if I get stopped at a light for 2 minutes?” Jeezuz Christ.

If he gets stopped at a light for 2 minutes, then leave 3 minutes earlier. Geez...this guy....😂

​@@bobdole72920-5 minutes is really obscene though, how can you fine someone for being 0 minutes late?

But that is already the case.

You do not have to stay at your seat while clock is running so why would you have to be there when the clock starts to run?

@@user-pc8qb3pd9f i already mentioned didn't I. Minor points aside it's professionalism and sportsmanship. You have to shake hands before starting the game. It's rude for the opponent if he has to start the game without even that. You can say it's stupid, but that wouldn't truly be an argument. I understand it's stupid but this stuff doesn't happen in maratons right? It's a race, if the players come late it's their problem doesn't truly work. And most importantly if the games are being broadcasted and the best players in the world are missing because they are late it looks really bad for fide.

But different people will be in different locations in order to get to the venue, and all he’s saying is 0-15 minutes can mean anything. If its 5-15 at least it actually gives a leniency that can be measured.

this is bs. u are several rounds into the tournament, u head to the restroom before the round starts.u dont want to have to be in your seat 5 minutes needing to pee then head to the restroom after it started. That this isn't obvious to u means u probably never played a tournament in your life and Hikaru is 100% correct.

Takes takes takes check then takes and takes and Kf1 Be3+ is mate I believe

​@@altrfryd5859and sac on g3

Probably because his brain runs very fast.

Benkaru Shakamura

and if it does not, so what? you know, unlike a football where players need at least to have a stadium, a transport etc and therefore are dependable of organizations like clubs, chess players could just play with each other via Internet. If you will torture them with stupid roles like that, they may tell you to go **** yourself and play without FIDE and audiences. I bet Hikaru don't care if chess considered to be great sports or not.

@@kagegakurenokuni Yeah, sure, but then who's going to watch it? Without great events we'd quickly go back to times where only few super GMs and a handful of streamers can get a decent living in chess. I'm pretty sure that an event that started 5 min late gets way less views and ad revenue drops... And it is also about respect for each other. If you're late your opponent is waiting as well.

​@@RadzikFly chess has been around for two thousand years, it do not depend of zoomer things like number of views. and GMs are not entertainment workers, nor they are FIDE employees to follow its orders. Make FIDE to pay Hikaru salary first, then they would be in position to require him to be at work in time.

@kagegakurenokuni you got it completely backwards. People played board games for thousands of years, just like they did with ball games. But what is today chess exists about as long as something we can call football. And it is 19th century. Professional sport in current form exists even shorter. Not saying FIDE is all great and I wouldn't mind if it got an independent competitor. All I'm saying is that efforts to get some discipline in tournaments (and getting there on time is bare minimum) is just a basic thing. 500usd is actually pretty cheap. 5 min late could be just a lost game if you ask me. And FIDE has all rights to impose any rule in its tournaments. If you organise a tournament without FIDE feel free to impose any rule you like...

why do we want that again? Chess players may just play in the Internet and be fine without stupid regulations. It's not like they owe something to FIDE or audiences or anyone. in fact it's we the audience who should be honored to see geniuses like Hikaru or Magnus play.

I'd prefer a straight up answer or rejecting responsibility, instead of a hypothetical "will pass on to appropriate people", with no intention of ever doing that.

Florida man on Florida time.... #Respect 😎

I don't think he is a gene.

​@@andrewhughes7642lol

You mean 'As someone with Japanese genes'

The clock is starting tickling anyways

You think £500 is reasonable if you're a couple of minutes late?

@@fuzzmuff63 I arrived 2 mins late to my night shift and was unable to swipe my card, thereby forfeiting 60$ allowance.. I wish I can argue the same thing to my manager..

Fide doesn't really sponsor players so I don't really understand this fine

@@ks_movies chess player already don't make much from tournaments. Given that if you win prizes, £500 may be fine, but what about those who don't win any? £500 is not a small amount

@@Funky32g Well they'll understand the value of time the hard way hust like I did