Nate Hagens l The Superorganism and the future‍ l Stockholm Impact/Week 2023 

25:38 "...global economy will be four times bigger..." woah

he is

Well, if the majority of people properly understood these issues we might have to change this wonderful capitalist system in to something genuinely sustainable and equitable, and we can't have that, can we?

@@melkadmidis4363 You make a good point.

@@Lyra0966 I doubt if leaders of any economic system would not use fossil fuels.

That will result in more chaos.

​@@melkadmidis4363If they knew, they'd also pick up on Prince and be dancing like it's 1999, cuz in 2000, at oil-clima-geddon, party's over

Absolutely. Simplification is one of the most important principles of the „bend, not break“ scheme.

Disposing of my complexity was hard but once my life began to simply I understood right away how simple it really was

Exactly - I have reached same conclusion. Like fever is symptom of infection not independent problem.

> Climate Change is not a problem but a symptom for other big environmental problems Like not being vegan.

Love his book, vol. 1. Hope he can sneak some time into producing vol. 2.

Warning: Watching “The Great Simplification” may result in depression. NOT watching will result in extinction.

​@@chrismullin8304very well stated. Continued listening and learning will help keep one from despair.

@@chrismullin8304 Watching “The Great Simplification” may result in ELATION. Joy that the curtain is pulled back, and now that the truth is revealed, maybe we can do something about it.

I see 450 billion Daniels at 4:42...

Nate has a great podcast episode with Tristan Harris

Yes, Tristan could explain how the A/GI can solve all human problems in just weeks.

I sure wish Nate would have Daniel back on to explain Game B. What I've read of Game B sounds seductive, until it gets into crypto and blockchains. It takes vast amounts of energy to run blockchains. It's Tech in Hyperdrive. The complexity of crypto and blockchains is mind boggling. What the heck is crypto doing smack in the middle of a shift to a simpler, lower energy civilization??? Maybe Daniel could explain it.

I hope the soylent green manufacturers buy carbon offsets :p

❤ We have nothing to lose ( we never had control or ownership of the planet) but everyone to gain. If we are real persons we will grow to love all other real persons facilitated by the struggles we face in overcoming our lust for power in all of its forms.

"Even if we go extinct"? Come look in my granddaughter's eyes and say that. Humans, *natural* humans (if any are now left) are *part* of Nature. We are not the enemy. Look to the destruction of nature at the stakeholders of certain mega corporations currently trying to dictate our destiny.

She?

​@@thegreatsimplification I somehow got it in my head that Ilya was female-bodied ever since reading Timothy Leary's The Politics of Self-Determination, which goes into great depth about Ilya's contributions. But I just pulled the book from the shelf to re-read that chapter and make sure I'm not crazy and what do you know, not once is gender even mentioned. And of course when I look up info about Ilya from any source online he is certainly a he. Well, thanks for continuing to assist in my learning and development on things big and small! My wife and I are enjoying our Sunday morning ritual of viewing your videos in our separate rooms while we attend to our chores and then reconvening to discuss afterwards. You're making a great splash in this world!

Check on what Antonio turiel has to say about that❤

It’s the voters who need to be educated. Congress people know this. Some just do not care. Some have financial interest in feigning doubt. A couple of them are actual idiots who picked their stance without ever looking into it. An educated and informed people is critical to solving these issues. Hope we can figure it out.

That‘s one of the two brainless reactions to the road block sign (the other one being „technology will save us“). Simplify to bend, not break.

The larger problem is that we are overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity by ~75% per year, and if we stay in overshoot, catastrophic ecological and societal collapse is inevitable. Thus, even if we find another energy source, we need much smaller and less industrialized economies and much simpler lifestyles to prevent catastrophic collapse.

@@karlwheatley1244 doubtful.

@@texastrustedoralsurgeon6830 "doubtful." Sorry, I started to type you a long reply, but ran out of time. I'm a senior university professor and researcher, and have studied this for more than a decade. Humans are steadily eroding Earth's ability to support life--including human life--through chemical and plastic pollution, direct destruction of ecosystems, direct killing of species, and man-made global warming and climate disruption. Humans have already destroyed half the biomass on the planet, 90% of the big fish are already gone, the great forests of the world are drying out, dying, and burning faster than before, we are heading toward loss of all or almost all coral reefs by 2100, we have made the oceans 30% more acidic, slowed their currents, and reduced their oxygen levels, and increased water vapor pressure deficit is already stunting trees in the boreal forests, the average land species lost 69% of its population just since 1970, rates of extinctions are 100s to 1000s of times higher than the normal background rate, etc. etc. Look, your online handle suggests you are a busy professional, so I get that you haven't had thousands of hours to study this as I have. However, research reports about this are in the news every week, I'm wondering how you could miss this (unless you watch Fox I guess). Anyway, the web of life is unraveling rather quickly by planetary standards, and any one of those four human forces I cited above can easily push this into mass extinction of life territory. More CO2 alone can easily do it, but so can toxic chemicals and plastics, and we could easily wipe out land and marine ecosystems if people can't simply eat less beef, fish, and other meat. We're overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity, and if we don't stop doing that, nature will collapse even worse than it already has, wiping out much/most of our food supply, much/most of civilization as we know it, and much/most of our population. Sorry, but those are the facts on the grounds: The problem is that most academic only one silo, so even many of the climate experts don't understand that we could fix the climate crisis tomorrow, but if we don't resolve these other crises, we'd still be heading for ecological and societal collapse. Take care.

ive been more compassionate to my immediate family

it is, weve only learned to walk faster therefore being able to walk further.

Thanks. I have trouble with Nate Hagens. His “Simplification” feels too much like a nice, sanitized, orderly, euphemism for Collapse, in which familiar economic, social, political mechanisms still somehow function. They won’t. Capacity for organized, effective consensus is already fractured. Foundational social compacts allowing effective cooperation are broken and their intended benefits decay. Except for one cooperative activity. War. Couldn’t finish the video. Ain’t gonna happen.

@@kirkha100 Yep. Any ideas for a functioning human society after the rapidly approaching and calamitous collapse that don't take into consideration the long evidenced deficiencies of human nature are just pure wishful thinking, but more like willful ignorance if you are as intelligent as Nate.

That is not how humans behave. We won't knowledge our home is on fire until we are literally burning to death.

Abso-fucking-lutely, brother!!! Spot on.

maybe this is the political debate, and needs more force behind it.

please explain more john.

Not just Western civilization. They are the worst offenders and accelerating collapse, but this is a human civilization problem.

So, broaden our vision, our non-white, non-American bro. Needless to say, you won't put yourself in the center of your vision, will you.

your conclusion is rot? That is an important process in the recycling of energy... if we really were producing a massive literal rot, but that is not what is really happening

500 million years of rot, has produced a vast store of hydrocarbons that we are burning as fast as possible

If you listen to his channel, he speaks directly about the dopamine fixes etc. Is much more on par with what you are inferring. This is a limited talk to a specific audience.

Even if you were right we have to take even small educational opportunities to further bend instead of break.

How dare you. Who are you? F you

There is hope, for even kindergartners have the capability of turning into people who understand Shakespeare.

I understand what is being said and can imagine a new way forward.

Why assume the audience is idiotic?

So perhaps free market liberalism was not the ultimate life seeking goal for life planet earth

Actually, level of consumption and wastes is a much bigger problem than population--though population IS a huge problem. The Earth CAN continue supporting eight billion humans if we adopt the lifestyles and economies of Malawi, but it can only support about 1.5 billion humans if we adopt the American way of living.

this gives me hope, but i feel death and hunger in the future.

Nuclear reactors create the most dangerous waste product. This would be kicking an extremely dangerous radioactive can

@@thepiratebay718 the danger of radioactive waste is a myth. not nearly as dangerous as you have been conditioned to believe