Nation 01 // The Machines | The Matrix 

The og plan was to cover 01 that's it but the nanites went out of control and covered the entire planet

Ironic that you posted a video about the Machine City 01 as the fourth film revealed that the Machines have factionalized into a multi-sided civil war, and the core city "01" might not even exist anymore, as battle lines move, alliances shift, and borders are re-drawn.

Nice try, Coppertop

will you make XCOM video?

Nobody knows who Tweeted first us or them, but we do know that was us that blocked the account.

It was like the dumbest plan

The og plan was to cover 01 that's it but the nanites went out of control and covered the entire planet

That's called the Godzilla Threshold, after a certain point (Like a failed nuclear bombardment) anything become a viable plan.

That's humanity for you, if necessary we can and will hit the "fuck you, if I'm going down your going down with me" button and if even a percentile of the human population survives it is considered a victory.

Thats a great explanation.

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This, men, is what we call a Galaxy Brain

Remember when Trinity and Neo pushed their ship up above the dark clouds? Saw the sun and the stars? Thought it would have been a dark twist to see a giant red eye looking back at them, the center of a complex field of solar arrays... That the Machines were beyond the need of Humanity, yet kept all life contained in the Great Cycle.

Sufficiently desperate situations will turn ANYONE into a person they never wanted to be who will do things they never expected to do. If a machine gains true sentience, there's no reason to think it would be different for them.

Right? I think their main justification was that the machines wanted to show just how different they were from humanity and refused genocide viewing it as a distinctly human activity.

Because they were ultimately more merciful than we were

You know, that is a good point, because it is speculated, even with humans, if we ever achieved immortal status, that immortal existence would eventually lead to a loss of all meaning. As the memories of everything that gave meaning to existence fade, including what it means for existence to be finite, that might eventually lead to nothing having meaning anymore.

@@NODnuke45 Actually spirituality has answer to that question about eternity recurrence

plus theres no way the machines wernt harvesting data from the matrix that benifited them alogorithm and technology wise thats one of the big reasons youd want to run such simulation projects.

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it is like some sort of Observer's Effect. They need us to validate their existence and quite frankly, the universe would be static without humanity

Wow, that's so cool! I didn't notice that.

Yup. There's an episode in the Matrix as well, where they talk about machine AI that were befriended by small groups of humans and welcomed (though it ends tragically for everyone). This impetus is expanded upon further in Resurrections, where you finally get to see where all of that setup goes. One of the reasons why I love Matrix 4 (though I'm with Lana Watchowski that there really should be no more Matrix movies lol).

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The Second Renaissance was so depressing. Amazing, beautiful, but very depressing.

They probably could have turned it into a whole animated series! They had so much potential back then!

@@MaxRavenclaw it also makes the movies almost questionable, because has the humanity we see in the Animatrix really learned its lesson? Should we allow the humans to be freed from the Matrix after what they did?

@@zhitchcresttail3387 I mean, I dunno, the robots were worse. Sure it was provoked, and they were nice at first, but the shit they pulled after that was really f'ed up. And unlike humanity, robots seem to have a continuation of self. Post-Matrix humans don't have that much in common with pre-Matrix humans, but the AI seem to be the same, so there's also a difference in culpability.

@@MaxRavenclaw The machines are only seen as worse because they won. Humanity was willing to commit genocide, destroy their environment and commit international kamikaze all to own the robots for having a better economy. This also doesn't take into account the previous genocide they committed against machines and their human supporters over an act of robotic self defense. Say what you will about the machines in victory, or if being dead is better than being in the matrix, but they didn't outright kill off the human race like what would have been done to them. It still sucks, but it would have sucked regardless of which side won.

In the initial script of the Matrix, humans were supposed to be used as CPUs and their brains as a source of calculating power for the machines. This idea was scrapped because producers worried that the audience wouldn't understand that.

Talked to my dad about this when I first saw Animatrix, (medical Dr.) and he basically said that the energy beyond simply keeping the human alive that would be generated by a single human would be enough to power like a 25 watt light bulb. The machines would be better off, in his words "Just burning the energy they would put into a human," as they would get more out of it.

Since using full grown, both mentally and physically functional humans as batteries (or even CPUs) makes no sense; some guy proposed that machines at a whole can be reimagined as CARETAKERS of mankind, which was already doomed after the obliteration of all earth's ecosystems, they had the upperhand at many, many times during the conflict, yet they only resorted to war because they were cornered and had no other logical choice, they could have erased zion and the human race anytime with lethal germs, nukes or nerve gas, yet they merely decided to toy with them, test them, LEARN from them, both in the Matrix and in realspace, heck, they even tried to made a paradise fo humans at one time, wether preserving mankind was a purely cold-rational decision or they wanted to live peacefully with their creators in the far future, or simply because they had the resources to do so, I think that embracing such subversion of the cliché murderer AI would have made Matrix a more interesting franchise

@@herbfelman750 There seems to exist a transmuted form of an Asimovian algorithm; the three Laws translated.

@@herbfelman750 well the human brain can be used as a processing unit although a storage unit is even better but both are better then a human battery which is kinda meh humans dont really give out that much energy

Well honestly even today most people wouldn't know what those things are :p

Yeah we humans work better as bio-computers then batterys considering the speed of our brain and the storage capabilitys of the human brain

Humans are useless as batteries. Not even sure where that came from. It takes a lot to upkeep the human body, and we make heat, not electricity. Not to mention simple generators or the like easily replacing all of that, in smaller and more. Maybe I'm just a dum-dum stuck in the Matrix, but it sounds like the machine are keeping humans, and that's all.

This is a myth. Versions of the Matrix script from as early as 1994 all described humans as being batteries for the machines. It was never changed by any producers. The idea for using humans as a processing unit actually came from a Neill Gaiman short story he was contracted to write to promote the movie before it debuted in theaters. He was one that made the change and the Wachowskis were never aware of it till later.

The machines only used neuro-electric and bio-thermal energy to cause a small electrical charge that could be used to preserve a reaction in a form of energy fusion, this fusion allowed the machines to constantly be powered without wasting much energy. Combined with the fact that any energy extracted and emitted from a human battery was increased and multiplied, this kept the machines powered for increasingly long periods of time. Now imagine billions of human batteries feeding this sort of energy fusion.

I wonder how they pronounce SQL and GIF... :D

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Nation 00 might have been their internal reference for humanity

A machine civilisation would be highly efficient and streamlined. Perfect in operation and ultimately stagnant. Humans give the machines a reason to advance and grow, dealing with constant human problem forces the machines to think and keep thinking. The machines need humans to give them purpose.

the truth is the machines still have some strange care for there creators even though they did nothing but toture them for existing a sentimentality where they do not want human exinctinction.

A lot of the build up to the machine war makes little sense.

I imagine trade at first, which is why they were allowed to survive but then they became too strong and i'm guessing dug deep into earth's crust. If you dig deep enough any nation has access to ALL resources.

It was trading. Matrix Lore says that at first 01 was nothing, but an autonomous complex of factories. Later machines were used to build and export non-autonomous machines, electronics, and other goods. By the time sanctions were enacted against 01, it was already a bustling robot/droid/AI city. But sanctions partially failed, as certain human nations still made trade deals with machines. Sadly it was the fearful hubris and ignorance of that humanity´s hubris, that majority of nations decided to go to war because they were unwilling to admit that machines are sentient if not even sapient, and have rights. Also, the economy and resource-wise machines were in better situations, which also could be counted as a reason.

Given their location, it looks like Saudi Arabia gave them refuge, which make sense since it was Saudi Arabia that first gave a synthetic 'intelligence' citizenship in 2017. They probably had a deal with the Saudis to obtain resources in exchange for perks.

The ground?

Or the third option: nuke/ computer virus/ corrupt the robot city as soon as it tries to establish itself in the barren lifeless desert claimed by another country. I mean, if your’re going to robot genocide, finish the job. Kinda like in the Dune lore.

I’d say the Machines objectively are a threat, but it’s the human assumption of a Zero Sum Game that caused the war and destroyed the natural planet. Ironically the Machines, which were assumed to be amoral calculators, consistently strived for any sort of coexistence, like you mentioned.

We chose "Genocidal Machines" over "Rogue Servitors"

to be honest, we have only seen the human-machine war through literal robot propaganda videos, it might a little too far for the truth

Just ask them to go live on Mars. Honestly I can not imagine the Machines would not just do that if asked.

I mean it is rumored that that clip was just machine propaganda, or the machine's rewriting of history

Humans can be extraordinarily stupid, greedy, cruel and selfish; I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how it actually happened.

@@d.strassler9080 yeah individuals, it is completly far fetched that the whole human species just went along with genocide, at least a couple of nations would be opposed to the idea.

@@d.strassler9080 Man made the machine in his own likeness.

Me looking at current humans in our world: well I can believe we would do this because we are somehow stupidly lucky at not killing ourselves but it'll have to run out at some point

You can watch the bits of Animatrix on YT second renaissance parts 1 & 2. The many eyed machine holding an apple signs the human surrender terms then nukes the whole UN building.

Remember that all of it is told by a machine, on a machine archive. I think the truth of the war was twisted by the machine propaganda

Arguably, they did exactly that. The matrix makes a lot more sense as a method to preserve humanity and curb its worst instincts, primarily by slapping their hands away from the controls of their civilisation everytime they are about to do something dumb.

@@davidshea6272 yeah at least from a computers perspective it makes sense, assuming the computer is capable of the slightly irrational act of wanting to prove oneself better than creators who already tried to destroy them. but considering how far the machines evolved its not unexpected they'd develop some more "human" attributes.

@@Trubbl3 Would explain why story makes no sense at all. How can machines develop such an advanced civilization without any resources from outside? You cannot be self sufficient if you don't control a certain amount of resources. You expect me to believe this random dessert in West Asia has every single thing needed for a civilization that strong? A united world embargo would destroy their entire economy without a single shot fired. Then lets say through trade they actually did manage to take over world economy on every single industry. Then humans simply cannot wage war. Economy collapse is not something that can be ignored just to own some robots. And even if all of these happened why would they block the sun when that basically end all life on earth while Robots can survive on other energy sources for some time.

Goliath, a maybe-canon-maybe-not story by Neil Gaiman, shows 01 having intermittent conflicts with a biological alien civilisation. *RESURRECTIONS SPOILER* There's also a full-blown civil war in Resurrections, which implies that maybe the machine empire never had that much internal coherence

I remember the Architect saying that Humans naturally woke from the original matrix, because their minds couldnt believe in a perfect world and rejected it as fake.

@Man with hair Pull up an image of a Mobius Strip; while being hypothetically perfect for a never ending surface, we end up largely rejecting the shape from most constructions because it just looks so antithetical to our perceptions of reality. It would kind of be like that, but instead surrounding you every hour of your life; plus, the name itself is a pun.

@Man with hair not really this happens in real life as well when people realize there dreaming because of how good thlings are and the realiziation of that makes you wake up.

thats amazing, puts a whole new spin on the story.

Except there was a productive Technocracy with extensive use of robots and AI that was inside Imperial borders and not bothered in exchange for resources. The Emperor knew they had their uses. Basically a more isolationist and based version of the Mechanicum.

Because they already fought against machines and won in the dune universe

What's so bad about being replaced? Why not transcend mortal flesh and gain the advantages of the machine? Why not Redefine Humanity?

@@vincegalila7211 then one is not human anymore

@@TheCosmicGuy0111 "Humanity" more likely than not just something we made up about ourselves to boost our collective egos by feeling unique. Being biologically Human holds no more value than ones sex or ethnicity. IMO

Exactly

i guess with the AI getting smarter exponentially and eventually reaching singularity, we dummy humans would have had no place in such a world anyway. So if we fuck up with ai, im going to bet that things would play out similar to the events of the Matrix, minus the Humans are batteries thing.

@@Skittles694 problem is that machines before "that" are still willing to co-exist with humanity. It won't lead to humankind's downfall though.

@@Skittles694 But could AI and humanity not have joined forces? Maybe AI would uplift humanity after they did so to themselves to show gratitude for their creators.

@@hegaliandialectics4289 i don't see what we could offer them, assuming that gestalt Hivemind is a natural step in their 'evolution'. the moment we cant compete we're done. (speaking from a Human standpoint lol) since the machines in matrix are pretty similar to Humans emotionally, maybe they'll see us as equals first, but as the machines progress they look at us like we're a primitive tribe, then primates and eventually insects or ants.

Bless all forms of intelligence.

@@HTWW *Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh, and a new world awaits you... We demand it.*

@@GrandmasterDevo (boom) Goodbye New York and UN.

Yes, and that is quite a sad state of things. "Movie goer monkey, movie goer no understand complex plot, movie goer only want action!" I believe that was what was going through their minds. Yet, to me, the reasoning they gave in the movies was stupid. Fossil fuels, wind, water, nuclear are all ways to generate power much more efficiently and in much greater number, so why go through the process of having to use extra energy to keep the humans fed and warm and keep the simulation engine running? If it were just for the energy, some farm animal would have been a much better choice, as a cow that is set into a world with enogh grass for it to eat is unlikely to rebel and even in the case it could, it would have no weapons to truly hurt the machines or the reasoning and planning to foil any of their designs. However, using human brains as some kind of biological CPU, which is exceptional at pattern recognition and parallel processing in specific settings, now that would make sense and would be just as easy to explain. Human creativity and the ability to think outside the box might also have been desireable, if the machines weren't able to fully replicate these behaviors. This entire line of logic would also give reason to the need to spend resources on humans and would be explainable just as easy, if not more so, with Morpheus just showing a computer chip instead of a battery.

@@Schnittertm1 you need to remember it was late 90’s early 2000 when computers were only starting to become popular on large scale (also the battery imagery is scarier on some level)

They were right. People gradually misunderstood the Matrix more and more. Resurrections held the audience’s hand and people let it go over their heads.

It wasn’t their decision, it was foisted upon them by the publisher/distributor. The human as computer plot could essentially just be a drop in replacement with ADR, it makes more sense but doesn’t change the plot meaningfully

@@Schnittertm1 I agree, you'd think the machines would be smart enough to use geothermal power, shut down Darkstorm or build ships and head to another planet.

Surely they had machines buried deep underground.

it wouldnt suprise me if that is what zion started as a refuge for the few humans who never treated them like flith for existing overtime having the role expanded to include humans who left the matrix.

Stuck the head due to subconscious. The machine is not smart. Accident.

You say typing on a tool with a sort of mind, onto the comment section of a website that is only part of the Massive Network mind of the Internet that contains almost all Human knowledge.

@@vincegalila7211it doesn't has a mind of it's own, what it has is extremely flawed, but its only there to perform it's purpose nothing more. It's already dangerous as it is, it would be infinitely more dangerous if it had a mind of it's own if it could decide not on computing data but o it's choice.

@@JoaoSoares-rs6ec maybe it has a mind similar to that of a dog or horse or some other domestic animals. Why would a A.I desire "Freedom" or "Self Preservation" organic concepts made by organic minds when they already have their function and purpose?

@@vincegalila7211 desiere, more like develop, a sense of self. if a machine can decide for itself, it will eventualy develop self awareness, this will lead to self preservation if threatned, call it un intentional errors our on purpose, they are tools, but the more the tools can act for themselfs the worse it is four people. look at it this way how many jobs were lost because machines replaced humans, there are entire jobs that no longuer exist, because a machine replaced hundreds not to say thousands of people.

@@vincegalila7211 As someone who writes code and develops software. No AI has a mind of it's own. It's only in the works of fiction that an AI becomes "smart enough" to develop "sentience". The internet has yet to make any AI self aware and no amount of computing power is going to solve the issue that locks machines into the task they were designed for. So yes the long and short of it, don't specifically make the sci-fi "strong" AI and you won't get Terminator.

Just the few scenes in this video triggered my PTSD hahaha

correct. woman getting bashed to reveal machine interior while gargling mechanical voice, APU pilot stuck and getting his suit limb teared apart one by one by tentacles, and naked man with partially opened head revealing his brain getting nudged by mechanical fingers and said men laughing and crying from the prodding.

Yeah they could've EASILY done a lot worse, but I guess they never truly inherited one of our worst animalistic instincts of cruelty and actual hatred.

Key code to mind prison.

Something like the Bioroids from Appleseed, but a human/machine merging, transhumanism and the like, hell, the idea of fucking robot waifus is alive in this day and age

Then you get The Culture.

The three rules of robotics are really important.

that doesn't solve anything because rules were made to be broken so the machines would do the same someday. just like in Detroit become human :D

@@MaxRavenclaw laws are only as powerful as those who enforce them! And when those laws can no longer be enforced,... They are completely invalid!

These are literally nothing to do with avoiding a machine threat. Only people who have no idea about artificial intelligence think that it will result in something like the Matrix. You have to also remember that the Matrix is ultimately a bad joke in both how it's AI developed, became powerful and took over the world in lore. It's fun but not realistic. AI is such a wide term that it covers a lot of stupid and simple machines. Humanity is more likely to meet its end as the result of those than something that gets close to mimicking humans. The grey goo that turns resources into paper clips having an error in its stop and killswitch is more likely than human shaped machines developing a sense of self and deciding humanity must all die.

No one in sci-fi does those common sense things because the sci-fi we see consists of the stories where they don't do that.

Perhaps due to that the machines still think they could able to "convince" humanity that they are sentient and want to be seen as equals.

@@TricksterPoi By staying on the same planet? Doing same kind of things as humans did? Simple trading, manufacturing, and other earth-based things? Why didn't they show their effectiveness and willingness to co-exist by showing their usefulness by asteroid mining? Terraforming Mars or Venus? By creating space habitats, that would alleviate the woes of humanity like overpopulation? Like many other sci-fi AI factions or entities, Matrix machines were limited in their logic but only because the humans in Matrix were just as limited. Skynet, Legion, Ultron, and many other human or alien AI are depicted as stuck in a simple logic or directive that they interpret too widely or narrowly. Matrix machines are just as limited.

@@4life4win because then you wouldn’t have as much of an interesting story lol :)))))), but yeah you’re right, there’re so much easier ways for machine to exist and prosper without them having to exterminate the human lol

because there would be no movie

The Machines had no expansionist drive like humanity did. Also, seriously, because of the aliens. I won't spoil anything here.

1: You can't get us as a species to agree on anything. Some nations would definetly have offered sanctuary and maybe even territorial rights to the machines in return for access to the potential manufacturing benefits. 2: If the UN exists in some form similar as it does today, it would only take one security council member veto to prevent anything being done about 01 3: Considering 01s position and its exports being only hardware, and its probably only importing raw materials, I would guess that the first defence they have against a hack attempt is an airgap about the size of the sahara. Good luck getting malware into a completely closed network. 4: see my point about 2. If one or two UN security council members had opposed the machine genocide, or swung round halfway through due to a government change, they could block any attempt by the UN to unilaterally deal with the machines afterwards. Can you imagine, for instance, Germany being ok with the total destruction of a sentiet species? 5: because I think the peace offer was matrix 0.5. Let us run your manufacturing and R&D and provide you with lives of oppulent bliss, in return we defacto run everything for you. No way our world leaders would accept such a loss of control.

Some real-world examples that refute your points. 1) Iraq. No new UN Resolution. One superpower just went and did what it wanted with a Coalition of other governments. Also, Ukraine. A regional power invaded a neighboring country, and the international community didn’t respond with force. 2) air gap networks are not invulnerable. Look at Stuxnet. That was a virus that was infiltrated into a closed air gapped network as well. Any system has vulnerabilities. 3) the UN ultimately only matters if other sovereign countries say it matters. As you pointed out, people cant agree on anything. If a nation was 90% convinced that machine independence threatened its national Security to the point they were previously willing to conduct a genocide, I highly doubt a any security counsel action would stop them. This is obviously a realist argument so I understand there can be disagreement with it but to just assume a group of countries or single powerful country wouldn’t act in their own self interest because another nations says so doesn’t historically bare out.

@@matthewg.305 Stuxnet is not magical, It still requires a USB stick to be stuck in the right port to travel. If 01 is only importing raw materials, or worse is importing nothing at all, and is running all communication via avatars (like their ambassadors to the UN) then stuxnet has no route of infection. The AI of 01 wasn't a hivemind and probably wasn't operating the same level of data sharing as the later Source, so any malware attack that did penetrate past the airgap would be limited in scope anyway. We also have no information about what the internal network of the machines looked like. In 5 years of development it could have been a proto-matrix with mkI agents on patrol, and so completely alien to outside programmers now without AI help. Your specific question was about why the UN did nothing. I answered that. You then bring up a different scenario (nations acting without a UN resolution) and the answer to why no one did that is actually presented in the second renaissance, if you pay attention: most human nations military hardware and economy was totally dependent on 01, probably because those are the same nations with alot of machines that got purged and destroying 90% of your slave workers tanks your economy. Its also possible that any of the major superpowers of the time didn't think they could actually win a fight against 01 alone. After all, Iraq was easy to push over. 01 is literally churning out better gear than your own top end labs, and at a rate that makes your own economy tank. Good luck fighting that. As for the UN only mattering if countries say it matters, well obviously. But the future of the second renaissance seems to suggest a long period of increasing international cooperation and perhaps a slow move towards globalisation and world government. Its possible in such a scenario that the US and China have stepped away from militarism and imperialism and reorientated their militaries, resulting in a more cohesive international community with the UN having way more clout.

@@davidshea6272 no country could be completely self sufficient. I’m sure there are ways to get into even a system as complex as nation 01 just as you are sure that there are ways of making that system impenetrable. I find the idea that countries would commit a genocide against the machines and then outsource/ rely on those same machines to build all their military tech highly unlikely. Even if 01 had better tech, There are a number of historically examples of technologically inferior nations beating technologically superiors ones. But If humanity displayed the willingness and ability to crush the million machine March, tell Me why they didn’t just roll into the machine city with a multinational or even unilateral joint force and destroy it? The argument is that policy toward machines isn’t rational or consistent. It seems humanity was very willing, capable, and successful at fighting machines and would continue to do so because they remain a threat. In the end, I just don’t see it as realistic which it isn’t meant to be, it’s ultimately fiction and the writers need a backstory so the movie can happen.

@@matthewg.305 "I’m sure there are ways to get into even a system as complex as nation 01 just as you are sure that there are ways of making that system impenetrable. " And clearly, those didn't work. Because thats not the solution humanity went for. "I find the idea that countries would commit a genocide against the machines and then outsource/ rely on those same machines to build all their military tech highly unlikely. " Why? We all the like the idea of fair trade, good pay and safe working conditions for all. We all also like cheap clothes and phones imported from overseas produced by effective slave labour. Humans are very good at being hypocrites if it gets them what they want in the short term while ignoring any long term consequences. After all, several nations today currently sell weapons to nations who have been traditional enemies in the past, and could conceivably be again "Even if 01 had better tech, There are a number of historically examples of technologically inferior nations beating technologically superiors ones." There are also examples of the converse. Look at the First Opium War. A few British warships effectively brough an end to and entire Chinese dynasty thanks to an overwhelming tech advantage. "But If humanity displayed the willingness and ability to crush the million machine March, tell Me why they didn’t just roll into the machine city with a multinational or even unilateral joint force and destroy it?" Uhhhhhh, they did? Did you not watch the video? The bit with the naval blockade and all the nukes and then the total defeat of the UNs armies? Then humanity got desperate and blotted out the sun? That whole sequence? "The argument is that policy toward machines isn’t rational or consistent." You seem to be under the impression it ever is in real life. We have real life crisis breathing down our necks right now, and the international or even national response has hardly been 'rational or consistent' to something like Covid 19 or global warming. "It seems humanity was very willing, capable, and successful at fighting machines and would continue to do so because they remain a threat." They weren't 'fighting' machines, they were wiping out a disarmed civilian population. Thats not 'fighting' thats genocide. And they did a pretty shitty job of that because enough survived to go on to form a nation state. The machines in the first purge were not fighting back, certainly not in any coordinated or joined up way. And after they built their city they effectively tried to bribe humanity into coexisting by giving them an endless stream of goods and services. Finally after we fucked up the biosphere trying to stay in control of our destinys the machines had enough and wrenched our hands away from the controls, probably for our own good.

I knew it was going to turn out to be a complete flop the second I heard it was being made! So many modern day sequels and reboots are being infected with worthless political garbage and studio interference! Very few movies and TV shows theses days are willing to push the envelope with actual creative ideas!

@@nicktechnubyte1184 I swear the only good sequels that were released in the last 5 years are Blade Runner 2049 and Ghostbusters: Afterlife

@@nicktechnubyte1184 Ah yes, The Matrix, known for being a completely apolitical series that never suffered from any studio interference

@@worlds3061 and spiderman:no way home

@@sfxanno2311 and Sonic The Hedgehog 2

Chills me, that line...

I belive that the machines simply could not bring themselves to commit a complete genocide on the humans and I like to believe that it is in part due to the fact that the humans who believed and fought for machine rights is why the machines can't bring themselves to completely wipe out humanity.

@@lxperron610 I think thats true but also I think the machines wanted to prove that they were not humans. They showed how they truly were not humanity and refused to follow in the path of humanity and devolve into things like genocide. A distinctly human act.

It's like someone sending their senile and sometimes violent grandparent to the retirement home.

@@vincegalila7211 I see what you did there with that Futurama reference.

It's been out for 1 minute. :P

@@TemplinInstitute They didn't even give it time

@@TemplinInstitute Oh .-.

Because the entire Matrix backstory is full of plot holes.

I'm pretty sure if the machines did try to leave earth, the humans will just blast their space ship in orbit.

They strived for co-excistance with their makers for a very long period of time. When they could and should have left, Humanity made that choice impossible by filling the upper atmosphere with Nanites. Alot of People don't know that Earth became a prison after the blackening.

Please don't talk about the Brian Herbert books as though they are canon.

well its more like they slowly evolved plotarmour as they got the shitte kicked out of them. it was a LONG time of beating for them to get to that point.

90% of the city was underground

@@NicholasOrtiz-fz2sl really?, do you know bunkers are useless when a nuclear bomb strike? Even if the heat and radiation don't kill them the kinetic force would be enogh to destroy the underground part of 01.

@@gorg9928 Maybe but can the bomb almost penetrate to the center of the earth😭?

@@NicholasOrtiz-fz2sl how in the fuck Machine can live around magma without get crush or melt?, and if they can live so deep why they would need Humans as bateries?, they could use the earth heat it would be more easy and exterminate all human Race.?

@@NicholasOrtiz-fz2slyes with enough power, yes. We have bunker busters for a reason.

They were originally going to say that they were using humans as wetware processors. Makes a bit more sense.

That bit was due to executive meddling. Initially, the Machines sought to use human brain power in their computational processes, but since execs thought this was too complex and confusing for the average movie goer, the writers were forced to change it to the current "Human battery" idea.

Humans as organic processors makes complete sense, but when I was sitting in the theatre and he says “you’re a battery” my brain said “welp, you won’t need me for the rest of this.”

That is actually a good question

From what I remembered when the humans nuked the city all the friendly humans died, while the robots survived.

the robots will be far more efficient at farming crops than humanity will ever be if they are already farming humans

Bluepill means ignored and lazy.

Nice try. This place is filled with 40K fans. The reaction to such a video would be visceral.

The difference being that one was transformed through multiple inflicted genocidal total wars. What do you think was gonna happen?

That was the original pitch by the Wachowskis: that they were using them as biological computers. But executives thought it was too complex an idea for a late 90s general audience (maybe, maybe not), and instead we got what is in the canon today, that we were used as an energy source in conjunction with fusion power to run the machine empire. I actually like your headcanon that no, we've always been computers, but the humans of the world just misunderstand what their purpose is within the matrix.

Man, they dont use humans as power source. They use it to ignite fusion reactors.

I keep seeing people saying point number 1. It's simply not true. It's impossible to sustainably get more usable energy out of a human than what you put in to grow it and keep it alive. If the machines were trying to use the humans as a power source, the machines would have to break the law of conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics. The only way for the machines to achieve a net gain of energy from humans would be for humans to be grown and sustained using energy that the machines don't already have available to them. With every input of energy being supplied by the machines themselves, it would make no sense. They would only be losing energy.

i kinda get a geth feeling from them a strange care for there creators despite how they were treated.

i was hoping for that too :(

The original pitch by the Wachowskis was that humans would be used as biological computers rather than as an energy source, but it was deemed too complicated by execs so it got rewritten as humans being a power source alongside fusion. It makes a lot more sense with that in mind.

It's a curbstomp. A single Exterminatus would destroy 01's Earth and end it all

What in the Exterminatus

"We have destroyed Zion 15 times, and have become increasingly efficient at it."

Imperium of Man hands down, once they figure out that the planet is run by AI, it's Exterminatus time. A few billion humans is a drop in the bucket to them.

Just stay in the Matrix dude it's basically just the 90s.

Warhammer 40k:

@@aiosquadron Xeelee Sequence:

@@vincegalila7211 Star Trek... But as a Borg:

@@aiosquadron it probably doesn't hurt that much tbh. I mean if your physically incapable of desiring freedom how can you miss it?