Native American Indian and Indigenous Genealogical Research

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Learn how to do genealogical research Native American, Indian, First Nations, Aboriginal, and or Indigenous Persons and the family history. Guest Judy Nimer Muhn, a professional genealogist, presents her knowledge in identifying tribal groups, the cultures, oral traditions, and how to find ancestral families. Find Judy Nimer Muhn at Lineage Journeys lineagejourneys.com/
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0:00 Intro
2:40 What’s covered in this presentation?
3:15 Interview relatives and narrow down geography
4:09 Statistics
6:11 Myths dispelled
7:30 Terms to use and not use
11:24 Reliant on oral history
11:36 Birth, marriage, death, and burial marked by season and location
12:33 Missionaries started documenting post 1880 to 1890
13:19 Where do you begin?
15:12 Importance of oral traditions and interviewing
16:16 Recordings of Elders and storytellers in families
17:58 Written records can be limited
18:38 Special Indian Census
21:02 Tribal Nations map
21:36 Records name tribal peoples in different ways
22:16 Aaron’s maps identify as self-named tribal people
23:17 Federal records use alternate tribal names
23:48 Native peoples enumerated in rolls
25:20 Modern tribes use rolls for enrollment process
26:26 National archives has Indian Census Rolls
27:03 Records to locate Tribal Members
28:52 Military records are the richest resource
31:12 Census record example
35:05 Did not use surnames
36:50 Don’t know what names were changed to/from will be hard to trace
37:30 Dawes Roll Census Card example
40:10 Always check image before and after a digital record
40:33 Sample Land allotment record
41:45 Gruett Roll
44:00 Culturally the names change over time
44:50 Can DNA help?
46:14 Cousin matches are key
47:17 Endogamy within tribes?
47:25 Not necessarily due to knowledge of lineage
48:03 Cross tribal relationships
51:30 Judy’s contact information
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@minikitz5642 2 года назад

WOW. What incredibly useful information! Thank you so much, Judy and Connie. I learned a lot from this session. I am mind-boggled at how challenging that research must be. I'm familiar with the Dawes & Gurion Miller Rolls but didn't know of the others. Debbie from Phoenix, AZ.

@GenealogyTV 2 года назад

Glad it was helpful Debbie from Phoenix! Thanks for the kind words.

@LanceHall 2 года назад

By the way im the guy that that digitized the Preliminary Inventory of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and other finding aids and posted them to Rootsweb 20 years ago and they are still there. The SW National Archives has never posted them as far as I know they are still only in book form. I digitized them because I thought other researchers should actually SEE what they had in detail.

@vada7259 2 года назад

Wow! Hats off to you for your service

@GenealogyTV Год назад

Thanks for all you have done!

@byrdma12 4 месяца назад

Can you share the link to those records, please? Thank you.

@vada7259 2 года назад

Thanks for a great episode, and thanks to the very knowledgeable Ms. Muhn. She touched on many points rarely addressed. Unlike many of the commenters, there were no family stories of native ancestry, but my searches have brought to light many unexpected things. I have come across one set of GGGgrandparents who had been in North Carolina, but left in the 1830's, and died in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. One distant cousin posted that the family always said that they had died from drinking bad water "on a long camping trip".

@GenealogyTV 2 года назад

Interesting.

@LanceHall 2 года назад

Im glad she mentions the "Indian princess" trope but she also continues the trope that NAs are offended by the term "Indian". This idea only disseminates from White academics. Everyone in my extended family says Indian. I find the term "native" to be more offensive actually.

@DNAConsultingDetectives Год назад

It's typically "My 2nd grand-grandmother was a Cherokee princess." Always Cherokee. If I only had a nickel...

@JonDoeNeace Месяц назад

Every American Indian I've known uses the term Indian and Native interchangeably. It's people from Latin America and Canada who don't use the term and therefore find it offensive to be applied to them.

@JonDoeNeace Месяц назад

@@DNAConsultingDetectives I suppose it de legitimizes those of us White /Indian with Indian ancestry who have Indian census records, doesn't it?

@BobTheSchipperke 2 года назад

Excellent presentation on native Americans. And, I will stop saying things incorrectly (totem pole). 🙏 Thank you!

@GenealogyTV Год назад

Yes. Me too.

@jeanphillips1030 2 года назад

Thank you for sharing this information.

@GenealogyTV Год назад

My pleasure

@JesseStJohn-sv9dq 2 года назад

This is some great information. I have been trying to confirm my native ancestry. My great great grandmother on my father is said to be Native American or First nation as she was from the Montreal area. I have an interview with my Great Aunt that talks about her singing her Native songs. It has been driving me crazy that I can't create a link to a specific tribe. Also my Great grand Aunt married a man from the St. Regis Mohawk in upstate New York.

@GenealogyTV Год назад

Glad it was helpful.

@catsanctuary17 2 года назад

Thank you very much. Struggling with documenting Narragansett and Wampanoag heritage.

@GenealogyTV Год назад

Glad it was helpful! Keep digging, you'll find it.

@susanp7251 4 месяца назад

I have Narragansett and Wampanoag lineage also on my father’s Canadian side.

@creepingjenny01 4 месяца назад

I am specifically looking for my wampanoag ancestor. It feels hopeless. I don't know her name.

@LanceHall 2 года назад

Despite what some have said online the Tribes had a vested interest in getting the Dawes rolls accurate. The tribal leaders helped investigate questionable tribal members. People who are angry their ancestor is not on the Dawes rolls just assume the Dawes Commission was just excluding people because they could. Well the Dawes cards are full of people with only 1/8th and 1/16th blood percents. It all came down to who was documented in the previous rolls and in some case the tribal leaders testified for certain questionable people and persons adopted by the tribe or had deep tribal connections. By the way most of the so called "Eastern Cherokee" were not Cherokee at all. The cases I've looked were obviously fraudulent with fake ancestors in the applications.

@vada7259 2 года назад

Sadly, some people are just looking for casino money I'd never heard that the Dawes or other Rolls were full of mistakes, only that there was the particular matter of Mississippi Choctaw Rejected - thanks again for your efforts

@GenealogyTV Год назад

I hear you.

@jaziahrispress3981 3 месяца назад

Trying to gain more documents for Machapunga ancestors

@mr-vet Год назад

On my mom’s side of the family, I’v been told since I was young (over 50 now), that my Great Grandpa (from my mom’s paternal line) was married to a full blooded Cherokee. Based on my DNA analysis by Ancestry DNA, I have zero % Native American. So, I find that it was perhaps just a story…maybe that great grandmother was just not as pasty white as most others of European descent. As it turns out, my most recent update from Ancestry DNA has me at 46% English & Northwest European, 30% Scottish, 8% Welsh, 7% Irish, 6% Germanic, and 3% Norwegian.

@jmgren1 2 года назад

I had always heard that my Dad's side of the family on his Mom's side were Mississippi Choctaw and Cherokee. After years of research, I finally found a death certificate for both my great- grandfather and my great-grandmother, which listed them as full-blooded Choctaw and full-blooded Cherokee, respectively, by the local coroner. Further research brought me to the Dawes Indian rolls, from about the time of the Indian removal, which, after the personal interviews, rejected their eligibility for the benefits of the removal and/or land grants. I have some of the transcripts of the interviews (very interesting and informative reading!) Understanding that we do not have perfect people working for the government, I am profoundly puzzled by their conclusion that neither my grandparents nor their progenitors were Native American! It is a source of much consternation and heartache on that family line. Is there anything I can do , other than accept the conundrum?

@jmgren1 2 года назад

P.S. Family photos show features and skin tones that could be Native American, and census records included race descriptions of 'mulatto', 'negro', and mixed.

@vada7259 2 года назад

Southeastern tribes can be very challenging to research, and many of us with [in my case, hidden] Native ancestry may not be able to prove tribal affiliation to anyone but ourselves. Also, in regard to The Mississippi Choctaw, many who held out on relinquishing their lands, had their applications rejected or "lost" - denial of benefits & ancestry as a form of punishment for non-compliance. Interestingly, some Mississippi Choctaw who were also of Cherokee heritage, were able to claim membership in The Cherokee Tribe. For myself, I would certainly be honored to be granted membership in one of the tribes of my ancestors, and it would be wonderful to share that re-connection with younger generations. However, the most important thing for me is to honor my ancestors, and some of that has been in the form of finally coming to understand the odd things that grandparents said, which they refused to explain further - so grateful we don't have to hide anymore. Best of luck

@stormy-le6pb Год назад

@Janet Grenleski With that information (death certificate) you could enroll N the Choctaw or Cherokee tribe.

@carries356 4 месяца назад

Please contact those tribe’s enrollment department as they will list the needed qualifications for enrollment and if it’s possible to use what you have documented.

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

@@jmgren1The U.S. Census in 1870-1900 defined assimilated American Indians in general population as White if they were married to and lived among Whites. This is straight from the U.S. government.

@margyduke1136 7 месяцев назад

I'm a professional Australian Aboriginal genealogist....all the same challenges and issues I confront and deal with because of our invasion history and oral language and histories ❤

@maxman-357 Месяц назад

The census takers back then would put what you look like. They have recorded "I" for Indian and scratch though and write "B" for Black. The colonial powers had an agenda either "white or Black".

@JonDoeNeace Месяц назад

Lie.

@JonDoeNeace Месяц назад

The Census takers were instructed to count assimilated Natives in general population as White or some other race. Mulatto and Black definitively mean African according to the Census instructions of that time.

@beepbopboop3221 Месяц назад

I searched my (step) daughter's mother's (registered) great grandmother's Objwei name and discovered that something she sold is on display at the Smithsonian Museum. My daughter's mother said that Potawatomi is a harder language, but everyone knew Objwei to communicate with other tribes. Her Mom didn't know it was there. We had been to the museum years ago. I don't recall if we saw it when we were there. We need to go back. I asked my daughter's mother to write down stories that I can put together with the geneology for our daughter to have for when she has kids. She's the better writer and better storyteller. I'm better at finding the documents. The ancestor she knows back to happens to coincide with when docs started. I can't figure out why the native american census only had the father on it once. Then it was the mother and 1 child out of 3. He owned land on reservation, so shouldn't he be on the indiginous census? Is this because he was a different tribe? I'm getting double records since they are also on the usual census because they were not always living on the reservation. The first ancestor she had was born around the time of documentation. I did find his parent's names, which my daughter's mother didn't have before. I saw a lot of siblings on native american census become the oldest child's children western census. I saw an in-law was in a boarding school. I get on tangent on the indiginous census. I find it annoying that the families aren't grouped by whoever did the index on family search. Any page I go to, I will group the whole page. So people can find the whole family.

@beepbopboop3221 Месяц назад

Noooooo, Japanese geneology is harder to research. Strict privacy laws and language and distance. Japabese has 3 written languages, and Japanese speakers often can read the writing on old koseki records!

@jayare2620 Месяц назад

Doesn't anyone remember "stick and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me"?

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Well we can weed out Pretendians from Amerindian descendants using tribal rolls. Only about 1/333 Americans is an enrolled Tribal citizen of an American Indian Nation, and only about 1/111 can trace lineage to someone on tribal rolls. Put together it's still less than 5% of the U.S. population. A group I'm proud to be part of.

@mariegomez8959 9 месяцев назад

I did mine I have a lot of European and I got indigenous America,but don't really know what that means

@ShiraClips 2 месяца назад

I know my comment is a year late to this video but I’ve heard from my bio father and adoptive father that I have indigenous ancestry.. Being adopted and poor, though, has made it complicated to find records. I believe the other issue is that my ancestor(s) who were indigenous mixed with the French so they could claim French identity and blend in to avoid a great many issues with racism. This is what I’ve been told by a distant Métis relative but there’s not records of this lineage that I’ve been able to find yet. She has said that it’s possible that more branches of the family are Métis, but it hasn’t been proven. My father says we are Yup’ik whereas my grandfather says Cherokee (Made me laugh because of the amount of claims the Cherokee nation has of this ancestry) when I asked them in July of last year, unconfirmed for now even though I do indeed have relatives in Alaska! I also have plenty of family all over the US but this is very expected because of the colonizing Europeans but I have some DNA matches that are indigenous mixed with European ancestry. It’s one of the reasons it’s prompted me to search deeper. Because of my poor financial situation due to my mental disabilities it’s hard to afford to get ahold of these records. I can’t drive, nor afford Ancestry.com records. Familysearch has some of my family last names but it’s not easy for me to confirm these are my family members in the rolls. I don’t have a large percentage of indigenous DNA but it’s still be very helpful to know who I have in my family who is indigenous. I wish not to claim this ancestry without knowing exactly whom I’m related to..So it’s hard on me. I wish I were able to get any assistance from a genealogist.. I just can’t afford it.. this might be thrown into the void but I’d be more than happy to provide my email if anyone would be able to help possibly point me in the right direction..

@GenealogyTV Месяц назад

Here are free indexes on Ancestry www.ancestry.com/search/categories/freeindexacom/ also you can start a free tree (not a free trial) if you want to see if any hints pop up. Also make sure to see the United States, Native American, Census Rolls, 1885-1940 on FamilySearch. Write down what your father is telling you. Sometimes oral history is the only record.

@centsoutofnonsense7349 2 месяца назад

I have family members from the 1700s listed as an Indian Spy ..Would that make my family members an native American ..I'm so confused can someone chime in and maybe point me to an archive that would state his nationality.

@kimberlyquirion1445 Год назад

I have been watching you for a few weeks now. You are very interesting and helpful. I am 55 years old and started my family tree in 5th grade. I have been working on it, on and off for all those years. I did do the Ancestry DNA. On my mother's side, I have Native American in me. From Canada, above Maine. Right now I have forgotten the tribe name. My mom, her sisters, and my grandparents talked about this and how I had a Native American Chief, and when he died hundreds showed up for his funeral in Canada. And I have a lot more stories about him. He would have been around my GGGP. The problem is I have 0% DNA for Native American, I am 100% European. My maternal 1st cousin did his DNA also and has 0% for Native American. Do you know what is going on? Any help would be helpful... Thank you, Keith

@GenealogyTV Год назад

I would not rely on "Native American" DNA. It's a long story. Work to prove the heritage through any records or oral history you can find.

@ladyboxrocks 4 месяца назад

My grandmother always said we had Cherokee lineage. I never believed her. Then I had our dna analyzed. Me and all of my cousins definitely have North American native dna. But we have no names or any way to know where to start. I’m thinking that part of our family tree will just be forever lost.

@jacklee279 3 месяца назад

The information was very interesting! The white Europeans could be from England, Sweden, France, Germany, and so on. The black Africans, could be from Nigeria, Congo, Rwanda, and so on. The Asians, could be from China, Japan, Korea, and so on. The Native American Indians of many ethnic groups like Apache, Sioux, or Cherokee, in the United States, are also in other American countries, like Bolivia, Guatemala, Mexico, Canada, and so on. The Native Americans occupied the whole continent of America, not only the United States. They are from many ethnic groups like Quechua, Nahuatl, Guarani, and so on. The Amazon rainforest, have many Native Americans, still living according to their traditional ways. The Native Americans have been presidents like Alejandro Toledo, who is Quechua. Benito Juarez, who was Zapotec, or Evo Morales, who is Aymara. Many natives are though to be Latinos, or Hispanics, but are not. The Spaniards baptized huge number of natives with Spanish names, and the people learn Spanish, but the race does not changes. Native Americans have been kings, and emperors too. The Inca Empire. The Wari Empire, The kings of the Mayas, and so on. Many Native Americans are professionals, doctors, lawyers, scientists, and so on. So, the Native American reality, is not only of the United States.

@JosephMarquez-pj9dp 19 дней назад

I could not have said it better! Your absolutely correct!

@Platero505 9 месяцев назад

I have a question: my 2nd DNA result is 99% NA, 1% Spain. I do not have any Asians, Siberian, Mongolian, or Pacific Islanders DNA connections. I been told N.A. are Asian descendants all my life. My 1st DNA was 100% N.A. .... I entered BIA boarding sch at 6yo, 1971-1980. Fortunately the school did not forbid us from speaking Navajo. They actually encouraged us to learn. I think, many Christian affiliated N.A. boarding sch had abused children. Again, I was never beaten or abused by anyone in school..... Even with a census number I dont have land. I do not receive a month check.😂

@ourteamgnv986 2 месяца назад

😮

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Amerindian DNA is a distinct strand.

@LanceHall 2 года назад

If the supposed ancestor was Native American see if they have a living female line descendant and have their mitochondrial DNA tested. The Haplogroup should be A2. Mine is A2 because my maternal grandmother was Creek Indian.

@vada7259 2 года назад

True! But they should also check for anomalous mtDNA haplogroups, as with "J" in Cherokee populations

@deborahleroy5323 Год назад

I am related to Custer who had a affair in Texas and had a son who fought and died and a closer cousin who married a Indian woman from the Manhattan Indian tribe. There is not to much info out there .

@onepaint2002 2 года назад

the one thing that makes me so angry with ancestry is you run across something like I did and didn't think to snap a picture of it and the go backsearch for ver and cannever find it anymore

@GenealogyTV Год назад

I hear you.

@marcosrubalcaba9891 11 месяцев назад

Hi my name is Perla l saw you're video and I liked it. I was wondering how much would it cost for a genealogists to research my indigenous history. I would like to know what tribe I come from I live in California thank you.

@GenealogyTV 11 месяцев назад

Hi Perla. Hiring a genealogists can range from about $50 to $150 per hour and more. Keep in mind you're paying for research time, not results. It can be quite expensive since most will require a minimum of 10-20 hours. Much of that time is spent reviewing what you have and writing your reports. If you would like to explore more you might try Legacy Tree Genealogists. www.legacytree.com/genealogytv Alternatively, you can try to learn the research skills yourself. Keep watching Genealogy TV. :)

@deepwoodguy2 2 года назад

My grandfather on his WW1 draft card, he had checked off "White,Indian, Native born" He was born in the State of Connecticut, USA..I had DNA tests and zero Native American...I found out that they test and compare to others..The Mohegan tribe in my state, does not contribute their DNA for these tests... They do this to limit the number of people who can share in the money they make with their casinos ..So my DNA cannot be compared to theirs.. what is the solution ??? thanks

@vada7259 2 года назад

It's good that you know something of your ancestry, but the search can be frustrating. In regard to genetic testing, my understanding is that dna samples from Eastern & Southeastern tribes are limited, but that Southwestern & Central/South American are abundant, as you indicated. As to tribal membership, my guess is that most of us with native ancestry will not be eligible for any tribal membership (which is set by each tribe, and varies greatly), but it doesnt mean we can't find proof of that ancestry, or honor our ancestors - best to you in your search.

@deepwoodguy2 2 года назад

@@vada7259 thank you, i feel lucky to find his draft card with Indian cked off

@juditheden3995 5 месяцев назад

I have 0.1 native peoples of North America from genome link does this mean that I May of had a distance native American Indian ancestor

@GenealogyTV 5 месяцев назад

Maybe. That is such a low level that it could be a false positive.

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Tribal rolls or nothing.

@redw.2452 Год назад

Cherokee Indian princess 🤣🤣🤣

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Yea. If they don't have tribal rolls.

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Yea. If they don't have tribal rolls.

@angiepate2460 2 года назад

Was it common for Native American's to register as White on early censuses after marrying a White man? Speaking of Native American woman.

@GenealogyTV 2 года назад

That's a great question for Judy.

@vada7259 2 года назад

Good question - fwiw, from two decades of searching, I've read that natives were variously listed in records as Indian, White, Colored, and Mulatto - for some interesting reading, look up Plecker and the eugenicist movement in Virginia

@kellymikoajtucinski3476 2 года назад

There is no such thing as " American Indian". The REAL INDIANS ARE FROM INDIA. The correct term would, and should be The Native Tribal people. NOT Indians.

@GenealogyTV 2 года назад

Understood.

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

@@GenealogyTVNo it's not understood. This guy's a goof 😂

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

American Indian is a type of nationality. Do some research. Amerindian is also a biological race.

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Go to the Aha Macav region and tell me what the tribal Police trucks have plastered on them? "Fort Mohave Indian Police".

@JonDoeNeace 2 месяца назад

Because it's an INDIAN reservation dumbnuggets😂