It’s the typical response of a narcissist who doesn’t want to take responsibility for their actions. What they don’t realize is just bc they “don’t remember”, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
There must be more to this story than simply calling a person "blockhead." Never met a sailor that didn't curse or was offended by cursing. Wish I could read the full report.
They were officers she was talking to, not enlisted. She outranked them, butI know there is a lot more tradition and decorum in the Navy, than in the combat services like Marines and Army, where the officers generally eat, sleep, and go to the bathroom together. But yeah, seems like a pretty minor infraction, deserving a slap on the wrist maybe.
@@choosesomethingfun5608 You do not appear to understand the sea services at all. The Navy IS a combat service. I served in submarines and surface ships for over twenty years as both an officer and enlisted. Officers DO eat sleep, and go to the bathroom together." If she was abusive to the junior officers that was her duty to train and develop I can guarantee she was abusive to the enlisted as well. Building morale and a "fighting spirit" is also her duty in which she appeared to fail miserably. What you see here is a sanitized report made for public consumption. I have been chewed out by some of the best but name-calling was never part of it. Finally, if the IG was involved there was some serious crap going on that will never be made public. These types of complaints are normally investigated first at the squadron level and then referred to the IG at the fleet level if Squadron finds merit to the complaints and the complaints are serious enough. That means either her superior was on board with the IG investigation or may have even received a reprimand for allowing it to happen. That is the way it works in the Navy.
Beautifully put Tactical. Sometimes, people in charge, with high standards, may be harsh. Yet, if that’s the case, are new recruits gonna start whining on how they’re treated by their drill sergeants?
@@choosesomethingfun5608 no. She threw things at her officers, including ceramic mugs and grabbed them while screaming at them, I was in the military and you don’t do that to subordinates, ever. Once you put hands on people for anything, regardless of rank, you’ve lost the argument and they’re allowed to put hands on you. She wasn’t relieved for cussing, that’s not a thing that happens. Being psychically abusive, yeah, you get relieved for that.
Oh yes there is. I don't have any first hand experience but was in Japan close enough to get the stories from those who did. Legendary tales of poor leadership bordering on insanity. The IG report was kind.
Either that, or she wanted to know who threw her palm tree over the side, jumping on the 1MC to loudly yell "Who did it? I want to know who did it!" and "You stabbed me in the back!"
My dad was in the Navy in the 50’s when The Caine Mutiny was being filmed. He was in transportation at Pearl Harbor. He was allowed to take guys in the small boats out to the ships they were using for the movie. He always laughed when he told me that he was ok until others started throwing up.
Having spent 28 years in the military, what this really means is her crew hated her for being a POS. I have had leaders who cussed and spit out foul language and called subordinates all sorts of things all the time, but they where great leaders and I would follow them any where without question. With a great leader, if he called you a blockhead more than likely you where and you knew it. When you got a POS, they are just going to use the touchy feely rules to hopefully get rid of that individual. Not saying this was the case but more often than not, this is what happens. Good leaders in my opinion are folks who genuinely care about individuals. If a person was good natured and a great leader and you messed up, you should be called a blockhead among other things. All in all, my bet is she was a tyrant. It should be noted, if you cant handle being cussed at in the military I don't want you any where near me in a combat zone let alone a fox hole, you would fold like a cheap suite when things got rough.
It's a matter of trust to see a sailor live through his tour of duty. I'm sure there was a history of orders that were questionable and dangerous to the point the crew had zero confidence in their captain. That is dangerous for any mission's success. Name calling? Yeah....that's just what CBS is allowed to report.
So her response to multiple reports of inappropriate activity is to say that I black out and can't remember. Yes, her career is over. The problem is, is how did she get in that position in the first damn place?
I don't think much has changed. i think she got fired because of her public abuse of the junior officers & senior chiefs - that sends a signal tp the crew that its ok for anyone to disrespect them. when that happens, it makes them powerless to do their job. poisonous & counter productive
She may not have been able to remember what she did, but her crew remembered. In fact, when she was relieved of command, the crew loudly cheered on the fantail. That is no doubt that Capt. Graf was a crude, foul-mouthed harridan who did not belong in a position of great authority aboard a US Navy vessel and the service is much better off without her.
Having a commanding officer respond to allegations of "on duty" misconduct by saying, "I don't recall," is arguably a worse response than either denying the allegations or saying, "yes, I did it."
I wasn't there but heard that is true from people who would know first hand. The stories of the insanity are legendary, I have no doubt this happened. @@Radionut
I can't comment on the how the US Navy does things but in the US Army when a commander is relived it us usually done quietly and worded with very neutral, almost bland language (a lot of reading between the line is needed). For an announcement to be this blunt CPT Graff conduct must have been truly terrible.
Also, she would shut down the internet altogether to keep the crew from emailing others about her crazy antics, she was more of a slave owner than a Naval captain!
She had a history of this type of behavior, yet nothing was done before she took command of one of our most powerful ships. Gee...I wonder why. This ship had *three* captains and one executive officer (second in command) removed from command of this ship. The quality of officers has declined precipitously since I was in the navy, sadly.
@@TonyTrunzo I wouldn't be surprised one bit if that actually happened. I fear how it will go for us if we ever have to go into a full blown shooting war, what with all of the lunatic fringe wokeism that has infected our military.
@@arthurbrumagem3844diversity used to be a silly euphemism put out by crackpot leftists, black and white/male and female, back in the late '70s. Back then, even the liberal host would have to hide a smile when Jessie Jackson would start blathering about diversity. Everyone knew it meant to hire a black who was incompetent for a certain job just because of race (supposedly what King was opposed to that); a primitive form of redistribution, like permitted shoplifting tsunamis nowadays.
Former baseball manager Billy Martin said that the secret to managing was to keep the five people that hated you away from the five that were undecided.
My old ship, USS Waddell, had a drag race with USS Cushing while on WESTPAC, in the mid-1980s. We built up steam pressure to a point just under lifting safeties, and opened the throttles. We beat that gas turbine ship too! My CO later made Admiral.
This was 13 years ago? There are two types of commanders that have this sort behavior. The first is a truly narcissistic person, the second is one who is deep down and insecure and is not really trained for the position and feels they need to act this way to command. I have seen both in action.
Not necessarily relevant to this particular story... but I have to agree with you on that. Like they are the ones saying women are just as strong and capable, so the burden of proof should be on you to convince me.
Because most women are actually, despite what your bias would tell you, just as competent as most male officers. And the less we limit our pool of people we can recruit from, more we get the cream of the crop. If you think this didn’t happen before we let women into the service, then you need to pick up a book.
They haven't, and they never will. The simple fact is that women (especially the ones like her) have NO business being in combatant roles; the conduct of this, this..."individual" was uncalled-for, and justly reprehensible. It's a prime-class example of what happens when those "WAVES" are allowed into this man's navy; all they've ever done is cause problems and ruined everything....and here you have the facts & the proof.
She didn’t remember speaking to her crew in that fashion? Well that sounds like a straight out lie. Any US military officer or nco who is a liar like that definitely needs to be sent back to fort living room with a quickness.
It must have been really bad, this rarely ever happens to senior officers. I’m wondering how did she treat her XO. I’m sure she wasn’t relieved for mistreatment of enlisted personnel……..
The story mentioned her treatment of the junior officers in the Wardroom. Many Navy and Coast Guard Commanding Officers keep a stressful level upon their junior officers as a part of the grooming process. Senior officers are known for “eating their young”!
To answer your wondering, I will tell you a story. The IT Divo told of seeing the XO walking home from the ship in the middle of a small typhoon. Being a decent guy, Divo offered the XO a ride home. XO slowly turned toward him with dead looking eyes and said. "This is the only time I get any peace." And continued trudging slowly through the heavy rain. Some time later, the day after Graf was fired, the new Captain, Capt. Marin, gathered the crew on the mess decks for a somewhat informal chat to discuss the change of command, the upcoming holiday period, and so on. XO was positively giddy. It was the first time any of us had seen him not only smile, but laugh. Once the Sea Hag was gone, he was a changed man. And while Marin meant well, and was a brilliant sailor when on the bridge, sadly he was also an idiot who got caught with another captain's wife.... Fired captain number 2.
@@XXLady - I'm gay, dude. So my assessments of women tend to be objective because I honestly have no reason to deal with them except as required by work.
We actually got our company commander relieved of his command when we were out on a training exercise and the aggressors penetrated our perimeter, he started ordering people to turn and fire back into the camp. Seeing a dozen soldiers just stop and stare dumbfounded in the middle of an active mock firefight was really something to behold.
The buck stops with the promotion boards. Her behaviour didn’t just deteriorate when she became a Navy captain, it must have been there before, just not so obvious.
And a former drill instructor I have never once put anybody through that kind of treatment yes there is two sides to every story do u.s. navy is not putting the whole story out
In these types of situations of bad moral caused by toxic leadership, its a slow burn until it hits a point that leadership throws up their hands and takes action. The IG report isn't why she was fired nor does it cover how toxic the environment was on the ship or all the craziness. It had reached the point that COWPENS performance/moral was in the toilet and leadership's hand was forced. Same thing with CAPT Aycock. They knew that moral on the ship was terrible but ship was meeting mission and they thought they could wait the situation out until they couldn't.
I spend 36 months in the US Army during the 1960s and never had an officer or NCO cuss me out or even use profanity toward me. What kind of military do we have these days.
There are so many female commissioned officers in corporate world that fits the description here. In my entire career, more than a half of superiors were female who showed unnecrssary aggression that was seemingly a part of overly self defensive behaviors. In general they did not make work place uncomfortable for men.
I’ve worked with plenty of female managers who were abusive to both sexes. They were responsible for the revolving door policy and high turn over rate.
A Captain of a US Naval ship MUST have the full support of the crew......You can't run a ship through fear and intimidation. A good Captain is not only a master of Naval craft, but one who is loved by his crew. There is an arduous selection process that takes place before one is handed a command......
🤣🤣🤣 Oh ya Every ship captain I knew was loved by his crew 🤣🤣🤣 A ship's captain doesn't need to be loved by his or her crew. But they should have confidence & respect for the officers & men who serve under them, be competent while striving to improve themselves & their crew, and be a fair person. Quite often that doesn't happen. But when it does the officers & crew respect their captain not because the navy requires it, but because that captain earned it.
I don't know who invented the theory that oppressively autocratic leadership styles are effective, but it seems like a cheap cop-out for emotionally unstable tyrants on a power trip.
Boomers invented it. That’s why millennials and gen Z don’t do well under boomer authority. It’s because boomers truly believe that abuse is a good management style.
As for the “language” thing. Captains don’t get relieved for that, there is something a lot worse she had to have done, because cursing out her crew wouldn’t have done anything
I have never served, so all I know about the Army, Navy, etc. is what I have seen through movies such as Band of Brothers and multiple others whose directors strove to be historically accurate. They gave us a glimpse into the interactions of the officer corp, and how protocol was to be maintained at all times. If this captain was publicly berating her junior officers in a way the Navy would not approve of, and using foul and abusive language to do so, she was violating those standards and was therefore unfit for command. It is encouraging to see her gender did not protect her from discipline.
She had a long history of this behavior. Her gender got her to the position she was in. This should never have been allowed. I wonder how many careers she’s ruined.
As ex Navy this isn't the way you get people to do their best for you. We had one captain we all admired he would join us enlisted men and sometimes eat in the mess hall with us. I think he wanted to sample the food make sure we had good meals. But maybe he wanted to show us support it meant a lot to us. Officers have their own mess hall and don't frantize with enlisted.
I was on the USS COOK FF-1083. We did a deployment in 1989. Our captain was fairly strict, but deep down, a man of strong moral character. When you went above and beyond, he let you know he knew it, and would cover your back. When i checked in to a shore duty station on physical disability assignment, i don't know what was in my file, but it damn sure calmed down the LT i checked in with. Conversion went from "why in the hell are you late?" to "what can i do for you?"
She was not qualified to be in command. My time in the US Navy aboard two destroyers was great duty at sea with captains that treated the crew with respect.
We raced other ships at sea on two separate occasions. That isn’t a issue. There’s more to this than calling others names. Her career is over. She’ll be retiring soon if she doesn’t want to be a walking and talking joke with the officers ranks.
She isn't even close to retirement in the service. She's only a "captian". 20 years is how long you must serve to reach retirement. An officer can make captain in 7 or 8 years. Far short of the 20 needed for retirement. But her career is still over.
@@briancarey1159You don’t know what you are talking about. A Navy Captain is an O-6 not an Army, Marine Corps, or Air Force Captain, which is an O-3. Most Navy O-6s make the rank at about the 20 year mark, which is when they become eligible to retire if they are not promoted to a Flag Rank, which is O-7 and above.
@@briancarey1159No dude. A Captain in the Navy is O-6. Some officers serve 20 and never make it past O-5, and that’s all branches. A Captain in the Army, Marines, and Air Force is O-3, and you make that in about 4 years.
The picture of the "race" was not against another Guided missile Cruiser as claimed in this report. It was an Arleigh Burke class Destroyer in the picture, which was winning I might add.
I wouldn't read to much into that, the most likely explanation is that whoever put the segment together doesn't know the difference between a Burke and a Ticonderoga.
Amazing and I am grateful for the Navy taking actions, now how about the other branches? I know in the Army we had a few really horrible and disgusting leaders, they just moved them into another area until retirement.
I'm a Army veteran, 4yr. My 2nd duty station had a awful CO, Captain O-3. MP officer. She was arrogant, apathetic, crass, 2 faced. She had many double standards, scams then get a few 🎖 & left. Ohhh and she slept with, had affairs with a few married company NCOs too. 😏
@@MoonlightGrahamCrackerI was navy. Served during the decade of the 1980s. I would have gladly served with Greg. The problem with people like you is that you don't have a clue about anything that has to do with the military and you don't want to understand anything about the military. The military, in war and peace, is a very dangerous place to be. People get killed every year serving in the line of duty even during peace time. People who get their feelings hurt by mean words get people killed. People promoted to meet Democrat DEI preferences get people killed. I'm glad you never served. You would have gotten someone killed.
My mother, who is a veteran, asked me question about arlington cemetery. She asked me how many people in this place are killed in war? I said all of them. She replied that not everybody in Arlington is here because they died in a war. With that being said, she continued inside when I soldier dies, there's two stories. One the family gets in the other the soldiers know. The family will be told he was a good soldier. The soldiers will know he was a good shield.
We won't get the full story of what really went down on that ship under her command but, having served in the Navy i can only imagine how bad it must have been for her to be relieved of command
Why wasn't she reigned in? Come on now. You all know how the system works! There're two admirals and a captain in her family. And careers and promotions have been ruined with just one well-placed call. I've heard of (never seen for myself- tremble, tremble) graduates from our top academies whose duties included dusting off the furniture and being screamed at by a general's wife in front of invited guests at their home. Nothing but the best for our nation's top graduates. We want YOU!
@@williamwoods1726 Depends on the Admirals, bet they are petty dictators too, she had to learn it somewhere. The fact she got relieved, publicly, means that whatever she did, it must have been spectacular.
20 years Navy here. Quad balls hole snipe. We swore. Called each other names. Insulted everybody’s mother. But when you really needed something serious you never swore or berated because it’s all people hear.
Our military has become so soft ! Yelling at junior officers has been done throughout history. We have become so weak that so called military officers can't stand verbal critisim.
Dam, when I was in the Navy I took more abuse than a redheaded step child. Relieved for foul language? If I had a dime for every time I heard the f word I'd have my own jet on 24 hour standby. The XO of my first ship was so hated by the crew I feared for his safety. It must be a different Navy now. We had women when I was in but only on shore duty and non combat ships. Abuse was pretty much expected from senior personnel, they were not there to be your buddy. Glad to be out.
She also threw things at them, and neglected training her junior officers. She wasnt relieved just for foul language. You dont put your hands on anyone, ever, no matter what your rank is, once you do that that means rank doesnt matter anymore because you lost your military bearing and no matter what rank the other person is, they can put hands on you too.
saying that to jr officers and ncos in front of the MEN does not float either. chicks should not be commanders over men. the woke service will fail us when the time comes. then all we will have is nukes. god help the world
The problem here, Is the difficulty her superiors , in earlier years, would have had in NOT promoting her. The government is the Peter Principle in action. Promote them to get them out of your hair. But, what happens is ( it happened to a person I had to promote, or fill out bundles of paperwork) is that the bully gets overconfident ( like police), and eventually does something so bad, that it makes the papers, and that is their end.
Sadly, it’s not that uncommon for people who doubt their own fitness for command to take out their insecurities on the people reporting to them. “Leadership” is a lot more than the stripes on your sleeve.
As a Navy Corpsman, I only had one female boss in my 26 years (1967-1993) and that was the Navy nurse in charge of the ward I worked at Naval Hospital, San Diego CA. We all had to work an enlisted surgical ward for a minimum of six months before doing our time in Vietnam with the Marines. She was the BEST. For many years after that, the ladies of the Navy were prevented from doing all the jobs that men had but all that changed with the Tailhook Scandal in 1991. Tailhook was an annual convention in Las Vegas for Naval aviators but during that particular event, 83 women and 7 men were assaulted and inappropriately touched and the ladies decided to complain. The careers of 14 admirals and nearly 300 aviators were ended or damaged by the scandal. We, in the rest of the Navy, all had to attend sexual harrassment classes in 1993 (the year I retired). That year my favorite Navy nurse passed away.
