People don't like to hear the truth that their idols could be beaten by a 6'3" dude. It goes against their belief that basketball is a big man's sport.
I'll take that one step further. When people judge the greatness of individual players, they always talk about defense being half the game. They also look at all the aspects of a player individually and how they make him the basketball equivalent of baseball's "five tool" players. But that thinking leads people to rank players based on a concept of how much they'd like to match up with the guy on the court *rather than* the total impact of the player on wins. Steph's defense, while never mistaken for perimeter shut-down quality, is good for what they ask him to do as part of TEAM defense. As long as a team is five players, true greatness should be judged by impact on a compatible team, not imaginary one-on-one.
I remember watching Magic as a kid and now watching Steph. They r both amazing at what they do. But l have never seen a player draw so much attention and be so disruptive as soon as they cross half court. Hell when he is on one of his tears they pick him up 94’. It is just crazy see how much his effect has had.
@@inertiaspinner555 Nah that's pushing it... Curry is my favourite player and I think he has a case against magic on best point guard but he isn't over Jordan
Steph is easily the greatest PG ever. And he is also indeed on the Mount Rushmore of NBA GOATs prolly with Jordan, Lebron, and (either Kareem, Wilt, or Bill Russel… that’s a debatable one). Curry’s impact and stats solidify his placement on these categories and rankings
@@clavo3324 MJ, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Oscar. Steph is on the second team along with Nate Thurmond, Pete Maravich, Kevin McHale, and Charles Barkley or Robert Parish.
Here's my Mt. Rushmore; MJ, Lebron, Curry, Shaq. Steph surpassed Magic's in many ways but he's still not the best PG. That belongs to Johnson and Johnson only
I've been a diehard warrior fan since a couple years before magic and bird were drafted...i never thought I'd see a warriors chip let alone 4...Steph is unbelievable but magics legacy is better... Steph wins another or two then it's arguable
Magic blows Curry outta water. It's not even close. When we discuss the top 5 players of all time, Magic is always a solid candidate. Curry OTOH has trouble cracking top 10. That's how big the gap is. Curry did NOT change the game. The league changed rules to water the defense down and let these wing players shine. That's what happened.
I think he totally deserves to be on the Mt. Rushmore and he is currently ranked #4-5 on my Top 10 List, kinda depends what day you ask me. One describtion I like to give about why Steph is so good, is that he has the most synergistic and complementary skill set I've ever seen. It's like god just gave him every single skill set it needs to enhance his shooting, and made him elite level. Accuracy, quick release, incredible handling, great balance, can take touch well, good pace, outstanding layup package, amazing passing, and conditioning that is probably unmatched. If you think about it, EVERY single skills of his is complementing his presence and magnificence of being the GOAT shooter. All of this leads to a player that actively influences and dictates the offense even when he doesn't have the ball, that's why for me personally, he still counts as a PG. The greatest ever, to be precise.
Hey bennysnickers I lov what you pointed out here about Steph and I agree with you! Now check out what I'm saying about Steph vs Magic, and let me know what you think? Here's the counter argument: Steph is much better scorer than Magic. Magic needed the help of a top 3 all time player (Kareem) for all 5 of his rings, while Steph won multiple rings without another top 75 player. Magic inherited a great team, Steph built a dynasty out of a bad side. Lakers had 3 no.1 picks (Kareem, Magic, worthy) and a no.4 pick (Scott), GS have a mid lottery, late lottery and 2nd round picks as its core. The magic version of a PG is now irrelevant largely bcs of Steph. In today's game he'd only be marginally better than Ben Simmons. Minus his defense. Notes1: He built a warriors dynasty out of nothing! With no top draft picks. And won two championships without a top 75 player. Notes2: If Curry had a Kareem type big, he'd easily surpass Magic's assists average. If Curry wasn't always the best shooter on the floor, he'd be forced to pass more. If we're going to compare a pass first PG best stats (assists), we have to compare a shoot first PG's best stats (scoring). Magic had zero gravity because Kareem was the real threat. Magic was amazing, but Kareem was even better. Kareem and Magic are both top 10 of all time players. Curry's best teammate was KD, for only 3 years, and KD isn't even top 10 of all time. Curry's next best teammate isn't even in the top 75 of all time. Also its important to note that Steph avg 9.0 Asst per game. Right before Steve Kerr became Coach.
@@lynchone117 a lot of good points, except for the Magic Simmons comparison. That was disrespectful. But you're missing the whole picture. If you're arguing who's the best offensive player, than you'd be right. Curry is a better offensive player than Magic. I'd argue he's the GOAT offensive player. But Magic advantage in defense overtakes here. Magic, as a rookie, played center in a game 7 finals to win a chip, practically a game winner and FMVP. A few other points, teammates and championship don't matter as much in GOAT debates as individual accolades like MVPs, FMVPs and such. In a team perspective, curry and Durant is not such a huge underdog to Magic and Kareem. And pick numbers have nothing to do with strength of players, just means GS did a better job drafting. And even though Klay and Dray didn't make the top 75, they are arguably better than some players there, Klay definitely should have made it in. Now saying Curry built GS is a huge stretch. That is more Kerr and Bob Mayers than Curry. Just like Phil gets a lot of credit for Kobe and Jordan's rings. Having said all that they ARE close. I mean they are both top 10 and should be the undisputed top two PGs.
@@amirampeled no you missed my point about the magic/simmons I'm talking about defense and magic is not a good defender and never was period,he is no stopper one on one! And guys bring up that narrative every time like magic played center every time ,playoffs,reg.season games. That was just one game , so after the game he dominated so now all of a sudden hes this great defender,BS don't even insult my intelligence! Magic inherited a dynasty he was born with great Lakers teammates(HOFers) and had the best player at center too. Next you win championships with teammates period, Jordan is the only person I know of that won two of his chips without an all star player in 91 and 98. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4zxq70PjnC8.htmlsi=GHRGUWlaPKwkOfmo I didn't even have to say because of Curry all of GWS success is attributed to him because " his coach steve kerr said it himself more than once" ,see I'm not dumb to what happened, With Steph personality,work ethic,openness to change none of their success happens he's the one that puts people in those seats,the jerseys sales,marketing, the owners went from nothing to the warriors worth over 5billion because of the Chef,people want to play with a winner, the owners took a gamble with him and won big for a kid with bad ankle, who could only shoot! Its Steph's team and it has been since that faithful day at MSG 54point outing! Once again like Kerr said you win with, all time great players and superstars those where his words not mine! This videos say it all why Curry is the Warriors their Success is because of him! Don't get it twisted why they have a Dynasty! He could have easily said no to KD comming to his team! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--akGzNqUVoY.htmlsi=nzeTZuhJvCvwsrq4 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4zxq70PjnC8.htmlsi=GHRGUWlaPKwkOfmo
@@amirampeled they are the undisputed top two no one's arguing that and he didn't miss the point. if you really paid attention to what he was saying, the IMPACT of what he is doing to the sport is equivalent to what Magic did during his time. Steph has a very legitimate argument for GOAT PG. accolades and all that is window-dressing to reel in the casual onlookers who aren't as well abreast of the situation as folks who study this school like it's their major in school lol.
@@amirampeledI wouldn’t say it was Kerr who built them I’d give that to the mark Jackson and the front office for believing in him and doing the drafting right Kerr for implementing the offense. Kerr inherited the team but did a great offense scheme
Steph is the greatest player of all time. He single handedly took an obsured basketball organisation, the warriors, to become a dynasty and a team that every NBA playere want to beat. He revolutionised basketball world over and not just the NBA. He is a phenomenon by all standards never to be seen again... Steph Curry is the greatest player of all time!!!
GSW is the team every team wants to beat even until now that they're no longer the champs. But the Bulls is the team that most teams back then feared. Big difference .I like both MJ and Steph. Personally I like Curry more now
mj knows steph is the more threat to the “goat” status that’s why he wanted to throw the magic johnson “best point guard” arguement, to throw people off.. steph passed magic a long time ago & is coming for mj’s goat status.. i think at the end of steph’s career he’ll end up as the GOAT & this terrifies mj
@@metathoughts732 i truly believe it's a preference thing, but if I had to pick, I'm going with Steph...which is crazy because I grew up watching Magic and he was the reason I feel in love with basketball.
Unfortunately that's considered sports talk these days! Obviously arguing over opinions is stupid but profitable...I hate it...I like both Lebron and Steph but I'm told that's not acceptable...
@@phantomfox6020 I never said Curry is a better player than LeBum. What I'm saying is I rank him higher in the GOAT conversation. He's won 4 just like lebron except he did it with the same team. He's completely changed how the game is played. He's the greatest shooter the league might ever see, etc. When both players retire, Lebron will have more points, but curry will leave behind a legacy. Curry is doing all this at 6'3" as well. He isn't 6'8" 230 pounds running straight to the basket because you know the refs are going to call a foul on anyone that touches you.
@@darrinstefaniak curry all time is probs 9-10 and lebron is top 2. Also curry may be the greatest shooter but he’s a liability’s with defense. Lebron is a 2 almost unstoppable player
Going through all the comments as well as the video has me point out an aspe ct no one else has...Steph moves without the ball at a level rarely equaled....his ability to get open and re-locate contributes to his three point shooting. However, after years of watching the NBA and witnessing when the three point shot was introduced (I even remember when it was first done in the ABA), I had never seen the kinds of moves Steph makes to get off a three pointer....that is what I think really dazzled us all at first...then it was the crazy efficiency he achieved shooting from that far away.
All these top players have been a goat in their own way of play and time of play. Why does there only have to be one in each category. Great is great period. Just extend the list. They all have done what it takes to be there.
Magic walked into an already winning team. Steph made a team a winning team + changed the way the game is fundamentally played in the entirety of the NBA It's literally not even a debate. He's the G.O.A.T pointgod and in the G.O.A.T Debate with MJ and LBJ.
"Magic walked into an already winning team" No he didn't. The Lakers with Kareem has been underachievers. Two years earlier they had been swept by an underdog Blazer team with Kareem getting badly outplayed by Bill Walton
Magic was an assist guy not a scorer. Steph is a scorer. Stephs scoring has a bigger impact than magic's assists. Also stephs impact that causes spacing on the floor is unmatched. I dont see why people cant understand this. Steph is a bigger threat than magic which makes Curry the best pg over magic.
The problem with this argument is that the modern NBA has virtually erased the lines between positions. A 6'11'' "five" led the NBA champions and was third in the league in assists last season. A 7'0" "four" has MADE more three-pointers in his career than Larry Bird ATTEMPTED. In 1980s/1990s parlance, Curry would be a two, no question; he has averaged 6.5 assists for his career, one more per game than Michael Jordan, whom no one would mistake for a point guard. Curry is listed as a PG primarily because Klay Thompson doesn't pass.
Here's a few things to consider in the convo. 1. Curry is 1 injury and 1 bs suspension from 6 championship like Jordan and being the only player to 4-5peat. 2. He's the only person in the top 10 under 6'6, so per in/lb he's probably the GOAT. 3. Unlike everyone else in the top 10, Curry has always been an underdog without any glaring gifts or talents his whole life. He basically dragged himself and his teams to the top through sheer will alone by playing the game his way. Add all this up, plus his humility, leadership, and tenacity, Curry is definitely someone that deserves to be looked up to and praised. I just pray he's able to get 2 more before he retires so he can shut the critics up. Here's my top 10 list: 1. Jordan 2. Kobe 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Duncan 6. Shaq 7. Bird 8. Curry 9. Lebron 10. Hakeem He'll be ahead of Magic if he gets 1 more. If he gets 2 more, I'll have to put him ahead of Kobe.
@@demaalsI’m not even a Lebron fan but 2007 he shouldn’t have even been in the finals, 2015 Kyrie and love got injured and 2017-18 he went up against one of the greatest teams ever assembled, he would have 5 or 6 rings if it wasn’t for the warriors I don’t know why we always talk about his finals losses but never bring up mj never making it out the first round until pippen came lol
The crazy part is, that steph is still not done. He is still playing on a mvp level. If he continues to play until he is 40, which i think is possible, he will shatter this conversation.
Been shattered. The older players and fans are too emotionally attached to the 70s-90s players. Larry bird said it himself, todays athletes are way better than ever, except wilt.
These two are my Favorites, I feel fortunate to having seen them these two men in my life as a Basketball fan. These two men in my life awoke me turning me back to enjoying the NBA again!!! They allowed me to enjoy team Basketball play from the Team's I grew up watching for the last half Centry or more. These two Guards turned Basketball from a Slugfest to poetry and motion to Team Play play and smooth Fast Breaks!!! You call what you like, Steph didn't make up the point goal nor Magic the Fast Breaks!!! But these guys made Team ball a joy to watch! These two Magic and Steph are my votes for Basketballs greatest players!!!
Magic is the best point guard playmaker of all time. He makes the team better when he's got good reliable scorers with him on the floor.. Steph is the best shooting point guard of all time. He has the green light to shoot. His team works to get him the ball to shoot or supplements the scoring when they are in a better position to score. Two different great players. We shouldn't compare them together in one box.
steph is definitely deserving of goat status. His shooting is such a threat he can change the dynamics for any team in the nba if he's on their roster.
Steph is the only player to take a former cripple (out two years) a #1 draft bust, and two G leaguers to become NBA champs. As part of that, he helped Jordan Poole transform from a questionable player into a "bucket" during that run. IOW, leadership!
Calling Steph a point guard actually undersells him. He's more like an interplanetary force that chaotically orbits around the rest of the team. But he doesn't run the offense (seems like Draymond does more of that). Steph is my all-time favorite player (formerly it was Magic), imho he's the goat. But point guard? Nah, he's something way beyond that. And i agree with MJ, Magic is the best ever PG. Just my $.02 ...
IMO the old way of playing basketball, positioning of players, is over. It’s difficult to say who is best at what position when in this era, it’s about position-less basketball. If you want to go by labeling players to a specific position, then yes Magic is the man. But in current basketball, players like Steph are combo guards that revolutionized the game. Even the all star game is now voted in as “back court front count” rather then the old way of PG, SG, SF, PF, C Steph has changed an entire generation of how the game is played.
I'm not an expert of basketball but I can see! Your on point! Best analyst 👏. The main aim of the game is to shoot into the net! What more, than a 3-pointer! 🤗 ☝️❤
A real true authentic point guard controls the game and sets his team mates up to get shot. Steph, is the best shooting point guard hands down. Gilbert is just stuck in his ways💯
Steph might be top 10 all time..might be the greatest to play the point ever..but one thing i am sure..he is the best player whom the fans loved to watch play..i do..
If Rich Paul can argue that Lebron is the GOAT because of the extra pressure of social media that MJ didn't have to deal with then I can argue that Steph is the GOAT PG over Magic because of the over all impact he's had on the game of basketball...and the fact that Magic played his entire career with Kareem someone also considered to be the GOAT by many! Having two top five players of all time on one team makes it pretty easy to go to finals and win chips! As apposed to joining a 30 win team and helping to bring them up from the bottom! Yes I'm a bias Curry fan...no apologies! Great job! Thank you for this video!
Curry is indeed the goat now.. no one can't touch him now... But kobie and shaq were super great players also... They were awesome players and great. But now today, curry is the best.. that's why he is now the goat. And on the same level as Jordan and magic those now...
Sorry I'm back! I'm reading the comments and they turned my thoughts to the question of what makes you great or special. My answer was being able to do something like no one else can! Steph's overall basketball skills are amazing but his ability to shoot the basketball in a game built around shooting the basketball are on a level by themselves! Clearly backed up by his shooting numbers and percentages and the eye test! We all saw the 2022 All Star Game! No one else in the world is shooting from those distances, while making 16 and turning around from 36 feet! Best yet is 105 threes in a row! No one else in the world ever...if you disagree post the video! Lastly breaking the three point record in nearly half the amount of games and by the time he is done maybe putting the number out of reach...but records are meant to be broken...but it's going to be awhile and if the game shifts anywhere near back to the way it was...Impossible! Can Magic say anything like that? #unanimous30
@@c--money9188 I don't care what they list him as. He isn't running the point. He is cutting without the ball and coming off screens. Do you even play?
Curry is the Goat period. Curry doesnt get calls like other superstars like Jordan, Bird, Lebron, and others. That when they run by with the ball. Is an automatic foul call. On the other hand. Steph gets hit, held, kneed, pulled, shoved, thrown to the floor, and the refs turns their heads. If Steph would get the calls. His career points made would be alot more.
Curry changed the game. Now all players are breaking contracts and going to winning team who are taller and bigger. That goes to show you why at his size he can still dribble around 4 players and Yes he is number one on Mt Rushmore!
Magic was the KD to his era, never the best player but definitely great but Steph is the MJ to this era. He completely change the way the game is played today. In their championship runs, it felt like you were playing NBA2k instead of actually watching a game on TV.
To become a G.O.A.T (in my opinion), you make am impact on how the game is played. I have always put Magic above ALL others because he was a great player. However he did NOT change the game. Steph has done this. He has changed the game in such a way it is hard for me to see anyone else having as much of an impact.
lol. Name another player who immediately won Finals MVP then go on to win a total of 5 rings and 3 FMVP in his first 8 seasons. Magic's CAREER FG% is 52%...CAREER. His Assists/game is STILL the highest of all time. He evolved his overall game to a point that he was not only unplayable on the break, but also down low and on the peremiter. If he wasn't forced to retire at the age of 30, most of you pubescent idiots wouldn't have recency bias of this magnitude. Learn to make substantiated arguments rather than relying on sentiments and hyperboles.
Magic was an All Star surrounded by All Stars throughout his career, including the 1st to 5th all time greatest Kareem.* Without them, Magic would have been a hall of famer without a ring. Curry's best teammate isn't in the top 20. *Kareem's legacy was deeply affected by the league's decision to allow him to be mugged nightly with very few fouls being called.
Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Larry bird, Kevin mckale, and the other names I can't remember. Like a few other more, were the absolute best of all times back in the days . But now in these days 20 century, curry is by far the best point guard and shooter ever and Rankin top list with magic and Jordan those..
Curry is easily the Best. I love basketball today because of his unconventional approach to the game. Ain't nothing he can't do on court. Y'all better put some serious respect on that name... CURRY
First of all, they do not give Steph Curry the recognition he deserves. Yes, he is the goat. He can turn god mode on when crunched, he's humble, he can shoot from just about anywhere, & most of the NBA players has admitted to how hard it is to guard him. Yes, for the time magic was playing he was the goat pg for that era. But flash forward to now & you see kids going Curry crazy, adults going Curry crazy, everybody trying to throw them up like he do. More teams in the NBA are even relying more on 3 pointers now so it's crazy to even have this discussion. He don't have to prove himself to anyone cause he has arrived. He still the face of the NBA.
In my humble opinion, Jordan only answered because he does think it's close. He knows all too well that Steph thinks just like him, and this was nothing but a challenge to Steph. They may look totally different, but they are the same killers at heart
If only they took the stats for how many plays he open up for scoring with his off the ball movement .. it’s just such an advanced way of making plays without the ball and passing that the current NBA and the old guards can’t comprehend
Curry's the best scorer ever. The only who gets double teamed as soon as past half court. MJ never got double teamed after the 90 because it wasn't allowed.
The volume of 3 point shooting increased not only in the NBA, but also in every league and in every championship, in every basketball academy and in every street around the world. All that because of the impact of Steph Curry.
Michael Jordan use to be the best in his days. Along with Kobe too, LeBron is also a great player too, can't deny that . But curry is the beast now. And best point guard now... Sometimes we think if he is a real human or robot when he is on the court playing.. like an energetic battery keep goin and goin... That's the real McCoy there... Super great excellent player... that's what me and the other 10's of thousands other pple thinks and know...
saying steph is the best shooting guard only is an utter disrespect, he is a full package point guard. He revolutionized the entire game of basketball around the world, what did Magic do again?nuff said!😂
If we flame LeBron for having Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, then we should give Magic the same energy with Kareem. That alone is why Curry is the greatest PG
The Tim Duncan Spurs made the high ball movement, outside shooting offense feasible and proved it works in the NBA. THAT opened the door for Steph -- he's a product of Pop's system that Kerr brought to the Warriors. Doesn't mean he's not the greatest shooter ever, but he didn't single-handled reinvented the wheel. Also he doesn't really play defense much? Jordan and Kobe were DPOY winners and Magic was coming back hard on D every time. i don't mean to diminish Steph -- he is a great player, but we have to look a bit deeper than just pure scoring, because if that's the measure he's only 5th over the last 10 years (and James Harden is no1 -- that guy is on nobody's Mt Rushmore).
Sure, Magic might be the Point guard GOAT because of his unique size and skill for the position, but he played to his strengths and did not change the game for those of lesser physical characteristics. Curry, on the other hand, lacks the size and skill for the position,¿that Magic's era required, but the skill set now required makes being a Curry-type point guard more possiible for more players of his size. Magic played the position the best a it could have been played in his era, but Curry revolutionized every facet of the game during his era...and beyond. Bottom line: Magic could not have had the success he had if he played on the current Dubs teams, and Curry could not have had the success he is having if he played on Magic's Lakers teams. Different eras, different games, different skills required.
One more title and Curry will be between MJ and LeBron for the GOAT title and then you have to define what is HIS position! Can you be the GOAT and not being at the same time the best on "your" position. If you move Curry in front of Magic then you believe he is also better PG.
Whatttt!! when steph got his 2nd ring...experts say 1 more ring and youll be in top 10..when he got his 3rd ring 1 more ring and you ll be in top 10..now that he has 4 rings another 1 ring? And yess jordan did not declare himself as goat its because lebron is better than him..
@@vivianpangilinan9783 He secured top 10 placement when he won his 4th ring. The original comment is saying that another ring would solidify Curry in the GOAT debate between Jordan and Lebron which I can agree on. Also MJ is still the GOAT not lebron
Ok, I'm a Steph fan. I think he's a better PG than Magic. 😢😢😢 But boy, your argument is weak!! 😩😩😩 I came here just to see your angle. We are talking PG. What has his influence out of the boundaries of the court got to do with it? You didn't want to crunch numbers? Pts per possession (you know, what a PG is supposed to create for his team) Be better
@@davidthomas7161 😂😂😂 Sure you're 50? Your posts sounds like that of a juvenile. 1. You're posting on the wrong account for me to care. 2. Your grasp on grammar is a bit weak. "but boy" akin to "oh boy" isn't specifically directed at the person I'm talking to (which you're supposing is you, but whatever) it's an "interjection" (technical name) 3. Bruh this is the internet. If you don't want your feelings hurt, stay off of it. Or you'd be acting like the boy you claim you're not. Grow up boy.
Steph is the best PG and the best player of all time. Has any other player been the unanimous MVP? The hardest way to score is the one that is far or farthest from the basket. That means precision. It's easy big players to dunk that's why it is only two points no matter how they do it. Steph is the GOAT. Period
you will traditionally coach your team against a team with magic... while on a team with curry, you'll definitely wonder how to handle the game against his team...
Mj says magic is better to make his era look better, but realistically lebron curry era is better than Mj magic era. By saying magic>curry, he’s indirectly trying to convince others that he’s better than lebron, MJ just salty that new era players are better than the old ones like himself.
Great video! I think you hit the main points about how his shooting is ultimately more important than any other aspect of the game. What I have to add is that modern metrics are continually developing ways to identify the impact of players on team success, which of course devalues the importance of both traditional metrics (pts-reb-ast) as well as judging defense by the eye test. I think that unlike most players, whose greatness fades with time, Steph's going to be MORE appreciated as the analytics gurus show that he makes a greater impact on wins than people think today. And as you say, his impact on how people copy him. Even though you can't be a playmaking big man like Magic just because you want to, there were never a bunch of tall guys trying to like there is a world of people trying to shoot like Steph. I've been saying for a few years that he's better than Magic. Your video says that Magic's never made a statement, but I remember after the unanimous MVP someone asked Magic if Steph was better and he said, "If he keeps this up for a few more years, he will be." Well Steph's done it for far more than a few years. So Steph and Magic agree on that.
