Its because nobody wants to pay 3000+ a month for a tiny apartment. Who can afford that.it's gotten so ridiculous how expensive urban living has gotten.
Did you watch the video? That’s the exact opposite phenomenon. It’s cities with lower median incomes that are losing population the most. Cities like Birmingham, Detroit, and Cleveland are losing the most population because there are no jobs and people are moving to larger cities where there are jobs. This influx of people is what’s causing rent to skyrocket in the major metro areas. Yes, there are people doing the reverse like in the Bay Area, but that’s not the primary trend being discussed.
@@lincolnabraham4695 yes I did. You have a good point but on the other hand You got people working in the city but living in bedroom communities away from the city for cheaper costs of living.
@JesusJonez-hn9js That only works if there is a high population and high demand, we were talking about people leaving cities and leaving big vacancies. You can find small towns that are far away from cities and get a cheap house, because nobody wants to live there.
@@Denny_DustSupply and demand is not always so simple. The seller sets the price, and if there are no jobs in the area, who is going to buy, no matter how low? Also, no one is going to sell his home at a loss. It is my property, and I can sell it for what I want. Now, if the next person is selling his house for $1M while I want to sell my house for $1.5 million because I already bought mine for 1M, am I going to sell my property at a loss? No. I will hold on to that price till I make a profit. Supply and demand is not always so simple, especially with buying and renting property. I once read "higher buildings mean cheaper rents!'. No, it does not. I would have to pay more for maintenance, and then there are property taxes. Of course I will have to rent high.
Judging by the replies, yes it will. I can't wait for you to say "dude I was only joking" just like the doomers. You're only saying that crap for drama points.
Also, the Midwest has undergone de-industrialization. Less jobs mean more disorder. What does California and Texas have? A booming oil industry, fueled by price hikes caused by wars in other places.
i can't speak for other people but i personally moved out of a major city last year because i felt it is unsafe to raise my children. i'm happy living in the countryside despite the long commute to work. i don't foresee returning to the city until i am retired and the children have left home. i should also add that i am paying much higher mortgage than i was in the city. but money is not a priority for me.
Jobs attract more people than affordable rent. I live in one of the cheapest towns in Indiana. There's a lot of engineering and manufacturing firms in this town, but most professionals don't live here because there's nothing to do. Rent in this town is half of what the rent in Indianapolis is. So if rent is so cheap and there's jobs here, why is nobody moving here? Because frankly, this town sucks. There's nothing to do here except go to work, go to church, or go home. I leave the state once a month to visit old friends I made in college. I plan to leave this place in 2025/2026 and never come back.
That’s pretty much 90% of American cities. The 10% are small pocket cities (San Francisco, Boston, Washington DC, Miami, Philadelphia, and Chicago) and pretty much the whole NYC metropolitan area (NYC, Yonkers, Newark, Jersey City).
That’s because American & Canadian cities aren’t actually for living. Our zoning laws make it that they’re essentially just dense places where you ridiculously have to travel half an hour to go somewhere you want. The problem is the suburbs are an abomination of the human imagination that just make them even more of a waste of time since you have to go even further, while still paying far above necessary costs and costs of living. Our predecessors should not have designed our cities the way they did.
All three of those are 100% luck-based in the USA with ZERO help legally to enforce otherwise. America is a 2nd world country, very close approaching 3rd world.
High cost of living, not enough living wage jobs, and increasing pockets of homelessness, poverty, and crime equals mass exodus of middle class, working class, and poor workers from Americas cities.
@@gordonallen9095 that means when things go bad there’s no point of leaving there, so that means they have to go somewhere else to get the economic a growing impact. If I’m right on this or am I wrong.
Sadly we have to give money to other countries to keep the dollar strong if we didn’t us currency would be worthless cause we keep printing and printing more
while it is an issue, Illegal migration is overstated, cause many of them do the jobs most americans won't do (if ppl are honest). In addition when you look at who is building what on construction projects, that work doesn't get done with out them.... again only if one is honest about it in its totality.
Did you watch the video? It was midwestern cities like Cleveland and St. Louis that were losing people. Southern California cities were gaining more people
@@Agtsmirnoffwhat do you mean? The drug users are the ones living in the buildings. Where do you think the coke supply, Molly and other party drugs get funneled to? Just because you have towers doesn’t mean that you live in heaven.
The neglected infrastructure in most of the US suburbs that were built before 1980 are now rapidly deteriorating, especially in places like California, Texas and Florida. New construction to handle the huge population growth means that this neglect will continue in to the future, and will result in disastrous consequences for the people who live in these places.
@@user-jz7ny1qc6j Florida and Texas are not properly maintaining their suburban infrastructure . . . full stop. They are simply adding to the problem by building ever more unsustainable sprawl, and begging for federal taxpayer bailouts when it all goes wrong.
That's why we need to stop building car infrastructure and start investing in public transport. Europeans have roads and bridges from Roman times, yet our overpasses fall apart after 20 years. Driving thousands-pound vehicles over them night and day does a number to structural integrity and it costs us billions. It's especially bad here in Florida. Developers bulldoze pristine wilderness to build Mcmansion neighborhoods and freeways. All of which displace the water table and make flooding worse. For a state like Florida where land comes at a premium, the city planners and developers need to be smarter about their land use
@@noah1322I think what’s more important is that we do away with this debt based growth model of suburban development and practicing more fiscal restraint. Then we can think about nice things like transit projects.
@@nishiljaiswal2216that's the thing. Detroit was bankrupted because they couldn't pay the maintenance cost of their infrastructure. The government paid to have it built but stipulated that the city pays to maintain it. It was based on the hope that it would pay for itself over time...but it didn't. Making cars non-optional has a high cost. The gas tax was established to help pay for infrastructure, and it's about 18 cents per gallon but it has to be raised manually. To actually pay for infrastructure it needs to be about 77 cents per gallon...
One of the big problems is that while costs of living in cities--rent, mortgage, transportation, food, taxes, etc. keep going up steadily, salaries for urban professionals haven't budged in years. I'm in the advertising industry and the average salary for my job is the same as it was 10 or maybe even 20 years ago, not adjusted for inflation.
For the past 50 years wages have moved at a snail's pace while cost of living continues to grow exponentially. It's sickening. Something HAS to give. This is literally not sustainable economically and logically. Our greedy overlords are going to continue draining us until everyone outside the 1% is turned into wage slaves. I just dont know how things will get any better with the way things are going now.
As it shouldn't; do you not know what inflation means? You print money and must pay it back with labor. Labor and currency go hand in hand literally. You print it without earning it and you then must work harder for your dollar.
@@TheSnergglythe problem is when that many settle in one region, state, city. There’s literally a part of North Dallas that I’ve been calling “New Cali” for about a decade now. It’s not just growing pains. It raises property values. So natives can’t afford to buy. And those who were lucky, now have to pay property taxes for a house that doubled in value. They could sell, and make a huge profit, but then will they go?
@TheSnerggly California has lost some 600,000 residents. The population peaked in 2019 with 39.5 million people. Currently, California has 38.9 million people. We have the same population we had back in 2015.
In so many other countries there are minimal population shifts across cities and states. Imagine we invested in sustainable cities rather than something built one decade and abandoned the next
And then somehow people will be like “everyone’s returning to the country where it’s better” without thinking that if a flood of people “go back” it takes away the country…
I don't understand how anybody could think it's better. Maybe if you're living in a picturesque little town somewhere, but the majority of the country is nothing but depressing strip malls, rite aids, and Applebee's. At least in a big city you get far better experiences, walkability and variety, diversity etc.
@@parttimehumanThat's a town, not "the country" "The Country" is anything that is not within a town. Heck, you didn't even describe a small town. You described a smaller-sized city. That is NOT the country by any stretch of the imagination. You're also acting like people can't just drive to a bigger city when they want some excitement.
@@parttimehuman Don't forget about the dollar store (like Dollar General) and the Waffle House. Can't have a stereotypical small town without those. lol
Cost of Living in The US is driven mostly by Big Business . Big Box stores , large Corporations , most any business that are Publicly Traded have historically been the cause of the increase of Poverty . Think about it , in the 1950s when most businesses were owned by a single person or a family and remained mostly local had Good Wages and Good Benefits , a family of 4 could live comfortably with a home , a car and 1-2 weeks vacation on 1 (non-college educated ) full time pay check , and most of them had a Pension to look forward to . Over time , businesses started to grow things like part time laws were made , now larger companies could get rid of Benefits such as Pensions , and they would get big enough to go public on the stock markets , next came Board of Directors , it is their job to make sure that the stock holders would see a larger profit year over year and to get those profits they have to cut benefits , now when they run out of benefits to cut they start to chip away at Wages , as Inflation goes up wholesale prices go up , Cost of Living goes up but Wages don't follow , you are no longer a respected part of the company and if you don't like Low Wages , you can go somewhere else is the new Mentality . Until we repair the Laws on Wages this will continue , The Middle Class is starting to feel what it is like for people living at or below Poverty Level and they don't like it , and people who were struggling at or below Poverty Level are now seeing what Homeless feels like .
@@skyyyrose You are clueless when it comes economics. Inflation affects everyone rural or city. With your argument same can be said about city generational land owners too.
All those benefits you listed are a result of the labor movement. Workers must unionize to counteract outsized corporate power. Bring picket lines back before AI eventually causes the corporations to treat ppl like excess baggage
so wrong it is scary. take an economics class. Corporations are giant tax collectors for the government. You spend money, the tax payer must pay it back. How? With labor! Our work is getting devalued because you cannot just print money. duh!
cycles, in the years past opportunities were up north, industries change and ppl go where as you stated money goes further and where there is opportunity..... another 100 years it will be yet another cycle....
In 100 years everyone will move back north or to the Midwest again. It’s cycle of which area has the best economy for poor and middle class citizens. Citizens will follow the rich and their companies. They’ve all moved south and so have their workers.
As long as the furnace keeps pooping out black gold, everyone will keep coming. It's all about well paying jobs and money, people will live in literal hell to earn that.
For the ones bringing up politics y’all do realize when people move out of cities they bring their voting patterns with them. Georgia, Arizona has swung politically in the last election and North Carolina was very very close while Texas is shifting more and more democratic as the suburbs of those cities are growing in droves. Politics aside as someone who lives in North Carolina it’s definitely growing and the prices of everything has skyrocketed meaning housing as out of staters can move in and buy homes straight cash while locals are struggling off lower wages to even finance those same houses with prices increasing the locals are being pushed out their own cities. Raleigh and Charlotte are growing with more non natives while the natives are being pushed out into rural areas.
Like locusts they destroy, then instead of cleaning up their mess, move on to destroy other places. Eventually they’ll be no place left to run, and will have to settle on the streets.
Locals, according to your OWN logic and statement, regaled in low pay in a "Right to Work" state, voted Red freedom fry, and let all kinds of things go unchecked in the name of flag waving. Incomers simply brought "kash" and picked up the slack. But they ALSO will bring in "kash" to create businesses , jobs, and may even use their Leftie Degree and think to pay people properly, so things WILL change, long term.
Uhh Atlanta and it’s surrounding areas voted democratic… not “Georgia”, and I doubt people are moving to Atlanta considering it’s a city with higher cost of living than most of the cities these people are leaving from 🤷♂️ not saying you’re completely wrong, but as an Atlanta native I had to correct you…
That's a good thing. The Republican party after trump has become synonymous with fascism more than conservativism. It's insane that Republicans have continued voting for Trump when Nikki Haley is the better candidate.
My parents were both from Louisiana and we still have family there. The state has done a terrible job collecting property taxes from big corporations so many of their roads and infrastructure are in bad shape. They don't have a lot of well-paying jobs either. I can believe that their population will shrink over the coming years.
The wages are the main problem in SELA a lot of people need two jobs when we watched our parents some even single do it with just one. Nowadays, multiple jobs plus a side hustle is needed to make rent and it’s been like this
The suburbs need to be zoned for mixed use & designed better & not rely only on cars, but biking & walking as well. Otherwise these places in CA, TX, and FL will be facing the same issues 50-100 years from now.
California already did that and basically led to insignificant change. People just don't want to be packed like rats and urbanists need to accept defeat 😂 all the ban on single house zoning did was create luxury homes for the tech rich and increase gentrification and segregation as well as raise prices even more. Just like everyone predicted.
Just let people, that can, work from home. Traffic, home prices (as people move away from cities), and fossil fuels drop considerably at that point. There’s no need for everyone to be driving at the same time (8-9 am and 5-6 pm)
I’m not sure what the takeaway is here. I certainly don’t believe it’s people moving to the suburbs are going to create more pollution. I will say this much, however: for those moving to their forever home, I wouldn’t be moving to states where climate change will be an issue. There are already parts of Arizona where they’ve literally run out of water. As in you turn the tap on and nothing comes out. The last thing I’d want to worry about in my old age is how to find water.
I think we should build low-pressure desalinators off the coast of California. These devices would draw a vacuum at the top of a 40-foot column in the ocean to get water vapor by boiling the water at ambient temperature. This is the second most energy-efficient method (the most efficient one involves carbon nanotubes). You could power them with solar and wind and use the water to transform the western states.
If it got to that point then desalination would be used before masses of cities will run out of water. How do you think people live in the Middle East with no fresh water nearby? Humans adapt.
If young middle class families are unable to afford a home in a city, they move somewhere else where they can. The city leaders cannot trap the middle class in overtaxed, overregulated, crime-ridden neighborhoods like they have the lower class.
Why can't young families afford a home in most cities? Because suburbanites have consistently blocked housing and transit projects, just so they could keep their property values sky high, then they wil sell them so the can retire in Florida or some other tax haven out in the Caribbean.
I live in st.louis and make good money with no bad traffic and can get more for my money i wont be leaving anytime soon. I travel when i need to ger away
And the funny thing no one seems to mention when talking about St. Louis “population loss” is that most of the people who leave the city aren’t fleeing to Denver, or Dallas, or Phoenix. They’re just moving to the suburbs in St. Louis and St. Charles Counties. Same metro, different address.
@@Earth1218 agreed but much like the white flight and union battles that destroyed east Stl you cant run for long before those you ran from and the same problems find their way next door. Already seeing folks from the metro uprooting to the corn fields. How long before the metros decline many are making the same mistakes over over crowding over population because they look pretty and new.
Houses and rental in the cities are disgustingly high. Corporate price gouging needs to stop. $2,500 a monthly for a house or apartment is more than an average American can afford. Middle class Americans have nowhere to go. Salary to high for government assistance and salary to low to rent in the areas where they live before covid and inflation.
They beat every apartment I've ever lived in, and cheaper. Super safe and excellent schools. Parks are wonderful with no homeless in sight. Private outdoor space for kids and pets to run free without supervision. The only congestion is the soccer Mon van caravan after practice or the farmers market rolling at the center of the tiny one block "downtown". Every time I go to a city, I feel like I've been toxified by air pollution and second hand Marijuana smoke
Time to do some fact checking on the source data, California's population peaked in 2019, declined since. Both Portland and the state of Oregon have had population declines in 2022, not growth.
"The current metro area population of Portland in 2024 is 2,243,000, a 1.04% increase from 2023. The metro area population of Portland in 2023 was 2,220,000, a 1.05% increase from 2022." LA's population also increased year on year, as did San Diego's (although for both it's just a trickle back after the small declines during Covid). The report's authors are looking at cities, whereas you're talking about states - the trends aren't necessarily the same for both.
@@kingphilwill What's so good about having a million small towns? It worked when every farmer could only transport their produce by wagon 7 miles, but its a huge waste of resources on every other level.
Absolutely. There's already way too much pollution and competition for jobs. Ai and automation will soon mean there will be a need for many fewer people to produce the same amount of things. We can more easily manage underpopulation than overpopulation. Hell, in the Westward Expansion they wanted people to come help settle the land so bad, they gave much of it away for free. We could certainly do with similar deals today
There is a terrible cost of living crisis all over the USA. We will soon need a new American Revolution and Constitution. Our Constitution from 1789 is outdated af
It’s not an issue in the cities mentioned in the video that are losing people. It’s an issue in San Fran which is also losing people but that wasn’t one of cities the video was talking about
It's not going to really fall until the grocery shelves are empty. Water taps go bad. And people would rather beat their own neighbors for clout on the Internet.
Back in 2017-2018 I was living in a Major city (Philadelphia) Based on my local salary there I was literally working to live. I moved back home to (Michigan) after like 10 months & making double the salary remote.
While that may be a big city problem, The Northeast, esp. tri-state area = work to live. No one has any life there. They just work 6 days a week, 9 hours a day. And some nuts commute on top of that. And call it normal.
I wish I could continue living in an urban area… but cities seem to push people away. They are by definition the denser population centers but somehow get stuck in the same NIMBY cycle that suburbs do. They don’t build enough for demand or if they do they build luxury towers for rich people to stuff their money in.
Houses have gone from an investment to a poker card for the richest funds humanity has ever seen. There are more and more empty houses, but they go on and on making them artificially more expensive because they have to put their pornographic amounts of money somewhere. And what do low- and middle-income people do? Well, move to a place where the houses aren't slot machine chips. There is no need for journalists dressed as mannequins to explain on touch screens the problem that these ultra-rich entities have created. It's the simple logic of "you don't want me to stay, so I'm leaving."
I've never heard of an amount of money being pornographic..... Unfortunately the whole country is becoming places where houses are "slot machine chips" and places they "don't want" you "to stay..." unless you have money.
I’m sitting pretty in metro-Detroit. If climate change persists and temps rise in the south and potable water becomes more scarce, I’m betting on people coming back. Cold weather won’t seem so bad when it like 130 degrees everyday in the summer in the South.
Well, if we don't decrease our emissions, those won't be the only ones coming. In many places on earth, more frequent and longer droughts as well as other extreme weather events will force people to migrate north. And I don't know which countries will gladly accept all those climate refugees. We are already seeing more and more conflicts about water, and action to address the consequences of climate change is not at the point where it should be
@@FastGuy1The Midwest is very underrated. Columbus, Ohio is a growing Midwest city with lots of tech jobs lately. Fort Wayne, Indiana (affordable city) and Des Moines, Iowa are very underrated cities.
@@cmartinm98that’s why the Midwest is the best kept secret. Hate to say it but living in Illinois has become more affordable than Florida and Texas has become in the past few years. The no income tax basically all cancels out after the high housing cost and higher insurance premiums
Population lost in Detroit, Saint Louis and Cleveland is old news. These were once rust belt cities, where jobs were thriving. However. Before covid set things back. Those cities were seeing a resurgence, due to Generation Z's love for the urban cities. Including the older generation, where many were moving back in. Covid with the lock down and workers whom work remote. Changed the way that we now work vs on campus. But this was eventually going to happen anyways. I think we'll see more of a hybrid of remote and physical workers on campus. Detroit is heading in the right direction. It has a long way to go. But downtown has seen a lot of major renovations. And from whst I've seen with downtown Cleveland. It too is heading in the right direction.
if not for migration, legal or not, the US would be in deep trouble. The only reason the population keeps stable is because of legal and undocumented migration. I live in the rural midwest. Most mid-size towns have lost population, many are disappearing, and the ones that are barely surviving are because of migration. Yet, what you see on news media is all about the "crisis" at the border. Of course no country can allowed everyone in, but if we had a migration reform, it would be easier for this country to protects its interests while at the same time selecting people to become part of it. Right now we have neither, except hate speech and militarism. Were the current immigrants white, I don't believe we would be having the same conversation.
The growth of Columbus, Franklin County (where Columbus is), and the neighboring counties of Licking, Delaware, Union, Madison, Pickaway, and Fairfield will help the rest of Ohio grow, but it will take years and decades. Someday, the Midwest will be a hotspot in the future. I pray that it happens.
@@cmartinm98 Indianapolis is the fastest growing metro area in the midwest with 39.9% growth since the year 2000. This is seen in northern suburbs like Carmel, Zionsville, and Fishers, second is Columbus with a 33.5% growth since 2000. A portion of that growth is mostly chicagoans moving for lower taxes, higher purchasing power and jobs.
The U.S. is heading towards a decline, it’s not that this country is third-world, but we look third-world in comparison to other countries that have either caught up or surpassed the U.S.
Businesses, Housing, and safe neighborhoods. Obviously, a town will improve economically when people can take a job that isn't Minimum Wage. And people will stay if it means they can get emotional fulfillment and personal development. Instead of crime and harassment.
@@pikeman6774Duh, because the areas with high population concentration are nearly all blue areas. Red areas are vast majority rural and nearly no large cities at all. Saying “concentrated in cities” is basically the same as saying “concentrated in blue areas”.
@@soupdrinkerSo you are saying you didn’t watch the entire video? Because the red state cities are gaining population. Even though the cities are blue, because morons will be morons, the state politics hold the cities leftist policies at bay.
@@soupdrinkerDuh…….thanks for clearing that up I would have never known…. If we want to go about looking at it like that. though every state is red, but many are controlled by blue legislation. The states that are controlled by red legislation, and thus the cities within, are increasing in population. The causation there is “red legislation”
The study is wrong. In my city, New York, the new inflow of migrants is at least double that of the people that left. Difference is that we don’t get the migration numbers just the outflow.
For the ones that are shrinking -- are we talking about the core cities or the metro areas? If it's just the core cities rather than the metro areas on the whole, then we're talking about urban flight (Detroit has been the poster child for that). If we're talking about shrinking metro areas, that's something else.
I live in St. Louis and can tell you that here, it is overwhelmingly a core city thing. The majority of people who leave the city of St. Louis are just moving to a suburb in St. Louis County or nearby St. Charles County. The metro has been growing for decades, albeit slowly. There was a slight decline in metro population in the last census. Something like 11,000 people out of nearly 3 million. Can’t say yet if that is a trend.
This is just basically a continuation of current trends. The Rust Belt continuing to decline and a general movement westward as the modern economy and technologies like air conditioning made these areas habitable.
This is very misleading. Yes, Cleveland has shown population decline but Columbus is the exact opposite so showing that Ohio is only losing population is not true at all
Everyone lives in cities now rather than smaller & mid-sized towns. Therefore more competition. Also, less small & medium sized business vs big business. Therefore, higher income inequality. The best way to make a good wage outside of the few professional fields is by owning a business, but of course this comes with risk & it's not for everyone.
I would NEVER want to live in a red state, especially if the electoral college still exists. But I do understand people moving out of big cities. I think people are fed up with greedy MFers across the board, whether it be their employers or their landlords or the corporations (food, oil, medicine, pharmaceutical) that provide goods and services.
The gangster capitalists are all sociopaths. They do not care how much harm they cause as long as they continue to accumulate ever more wealth and power.
Electoral college is part of the check and balance that makes America system better than any in history. It gives the minority a voice. Imagine if only the majority had a say....that would be the very definition of discrimination. People in cities vs. rural have different needs. What works for one does not work for the other. If you want to be in a system where only one party/majority rules go to China.
Thing is suburbs are ticking time bombs. They represent the most inefficient, and ironically the most expensive way to house people. The problem lies with land use and infrastructure( roads, utilities, water, and sewage)requirements. The suburbs seem cheap because much of the cost to build all of the infrastructure was subsidized by federal and state governments. And here's the thing, all of that infrastructure is aging and breaking. The bills are coming due. This is already happening in the Northeast and Midwest because they were built earlier. The same thing will happen (if it isn't already) in the sunshine states.
Who would have thought exclusionary zoning, horribly designed cities, nimbyism, and parasitic landlords spiking the cost of living to unreasonable highs would drive away people who are able to work from home? It's almost as though we live in a free market economy where we can leave to somewhere more affordable when we're being charged too much. A lot of people don't mind living in apartments or townhomes, but those sorts of dwellings are rented out for far more than what they're actually worth, especially when the average rent was a third of what it is now only 15 years ago.
The government should've let the population shrink naturally. Smaller population will make life competition less intense and lower property prices as happened in Japan, which will eventually make the citizens happier
yes but instead they chose to literally GENOCIDE our own population and force Americans out of our own cities. absolute insanity. reckoning is coming and people will invade the cities from the country side and take them back.
