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Nerding out over an odd 0-6-0 in Zagreb, Croatia 

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@mihaelalaber2084
@mihaelalaber2084 Месяц назад
Hey, Hyce! Brilliant video! Nice to see the iconic Zagreb 0-6-0 on your channel! Here's a bit of history about the class: This is the MAV 326, aka SHS 326, aka JŽ 125 class. These locomotives were primarily built by MAV, which is in Hungary, around 1882 - 1888. They were primarily used for light passenger and goods duties and lasted quite a while on JŽ (Yugoslavian Railways), all the way up until 1970! In 1992, JŽ 125-052 was displayed at Zagreb where it still stands to this day.
@barnykirashi
@barnykirashi Месяц назад
As a Hungarian, I believe it's best if I give more details about the Locomotive. Development of this engine began with the MÉV's(magyar északi vasút/hungarian northern railway) III Class Locomotives. After the nationalization of the railways, under MÁV (Magyar Állami Vasutak/Hungarian National Railways), they were kept in service, but by 1880, they looked for a new freighter. It was decided to rework the III Class Locomotives, into what then was the IIIe Class. (After 1911, their names were changed. 335 series for the III Class, and 326 series for the IIIe Class. From now on we will stick to the modernized designations.) The 335 was heavily modified. Steam pressure was increased from 8.5 bar to 10 bar, to adjust they reworked the Crampton firebox into a Prussian/Becker Firebox. Firetubes were narrower but more was installed on the 326 compared to the 335 The Drive rods were strengthened, but the connecting rods remained the same shape The pipes had became bigger. The side windows and cut-outs were also reworked. The 326 was also equipped with steam powered lubrication The first batch was built by MÁVAG (Magyar (királyi) Állami Vas-, Acél,- és Gépgyárk/Hungarian (royal) National Iron, Steel, and Machineworks) in Budapest, Hungary and Wöhlert, in Berlin, Germany The 326 was a resoundingly successful locomotive. It begun it's life in the Budepest-Józsefváros station, running services towards Hatvan, Szolnok, and Szabadka. After proving it's worth, MÁV ordered them in greater numbers, and other factories, in Bécsújhely and Linz begun. Later on the Serbian Railways ordered a few of them, and then the third batch introduced a so called "American Smokebox" to the design, which was longer than before. The 326 spread around the Austro-Hungarian territories in the next years, until World War I ended, and the Empire was broken apart. With Hungary losing 2 thirds of it's territory, many of these locomotives have found themselves at the same place in a different country, such as Romania, since Transylvania (Erdély) was given to Romania, but Croatia also gained territories, along with Slovakia, and even Austria. (Hence the saying, Hungary only borders one country, and that's Hungary.) Thing is the 326 kept on working. Then World War II happened, and the 326 was operating as usual. In 1950's dieselisation has begun, and the 326 still managed to find it's nieche, and was kept working. In the 1960's though, the type was slowly getting worn out, but some were still kept in working order, with the last one being retired in 1979. Today we have a few locomotives restored and preserved. One of the two examples that are outside of Hungary is 326,363, the one you met in Zágráb(As the city is referred to in Hungarian, since Zágráb also used to be a Hungarian city) It is a common practice on the Hungarian Rails to give locomotive models a nickname. The 326's nickname is "Kacsa" Hungarian for Duck. This nickname though was shared with the 377 tank engine. The 335's nickname is "Szemüveg" (Glasses), for it's two round windows looking like it's wearing glasses.
@bluescrew3124
@bluescrew3124 Месяц назад
@@barnykirashi thanks for the info!
@muccica9598
@muccica9598 Месяц назад
​@@barnykirashi Quit that B.S. already about everything being Hungarian, and Hungary didn't even exist at the time- it was part of the Austrian Empire
@masterkamen371
@masterkamen371 Месяц назад
​@@barnykirashiZagreb was never Hungarian. Croatia was always a separate entity under the Hungarian crown. When independence was lost, it was to Austrian influences. Visit Zagreb and you'll find that the local dialect shares much of the vocabulary with German and all of the architecture is purely Austrian. This has been the case ever since the major Croatian and Hungarian noble houses were exterminated in the 17th and early 18th centuries and the two countries parted ways in terms of interests.
@DJRAILWAY
@DJRAILWAY Месяц назад
Fireman - I need to blow down the engine. Engineer - K, but we are not stopping. Fireman - Then I will die like man.
@TarisSinclair
@TarisSinclair Месяц назад
"Door? Where we're going, we don't need 'door'..."
@Zippercdrr
@Zippercdrr Месяц назад
Oops all blowdown
@vojtasTS29
@vojtasTS29 Месяц назад
Actually, with loaded freight train speeds when this locomotive was new dropping down to maybe 10 or 15 km/h, you could probably do it just walking alongside the locomotive, but it was seen as not needed.
@barnykirashi
@barnykirashi Месяц назад
Given it's a Hungarian Locomotive, this is totally accurate.
@SimonBauer7
@SimonBauer7 Месяц назад
yeah, here in germany on some branch lines people could walk alongside the train and pick up flowers and jump back in, it was that slow.​@@vojtasTS29
@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243
@jerrysgardentractorsengine2243 Месяц назад
“I mean check valve, like one way valve. Not Czech valve” LIMES!
@arongyorffy3070
@arongyorffy3070 Месяц назад
It is a hungrain built 326 class steam engine. Many of them ended up in Yugoslavia after WW1. The inside stephenson valvgear, with the "wierd" rod that goes around the axel was actually super common for most hungrian engines that were built with inside stephenson valve gear. It normally has 1 water glass, but the one on this engine is missing. The reason why only the tender has brakes is simple, when these engines were built they orgiginally had no air brakes, only hand brakes. Hand brakes used to only brake the wheels under the tender, and after these were fitted with air brakes they did not want to istall breaking mechanism for the drivers, so it still only braked the tender. One very similar locomotive to this is still operational in Hungary as of now.
@CristiNeagu
@CristiNeagu Месяц назад
It's funny how Hyce probably spent more time looking at this thing than the total cumulative time the locals spent looking at it.
@kovaxim
@kovaxim Месяц назад
When you know nothing about a thing, you don't spend much time around it. You see this as a steam locomotive. That's it. How do things work inside it - no idea! This was very informative, it's just a shame that it's left there to rot basically. I've been there multiple times, but since I don't know anything about trains, I just go somewhere else.
@CristiNeagu
@CristiNeagu Месяц назад
@@kovaxim Romania has several such examples too. I think most of Eastern Europe does. But I don't think this is a matter of not knowing anything about it. I think this is an issue of lack of curiosity. People are just too busy and too stressed to still have wonder in them.
@MOTHERRAINBOROTH
@MOTHERRAINBOROTH Месяц назад
hello! Local here, I was in awe when I saw it for the first time in winter some year ago, sadly, this train was used to transport people to the concentration camps, the plate where its written is in croatian so im not surprised it wasnt mentioned, so when I look at this train I do marvel at the beauty of the engine but the sadness of history weighs heavy, probably the reason you don't see many people around it. It's a kind of a memorial piece and there are few trains like that in croatia. Absolutely enjoy the train for the beauty it is but know it has a very dark past attached to it
@maricallo6143
@maricallo6143 29 дней назад
​@@MOTHERRAINBOROTHThat's a weird assessment, that people are avoiding it because it was used "for evil"? It has been there for a long time now, whoever of the local people had interest has already inspected it. Although I somehow remember there may have been a blue-painted locomotive in it's place once, but it's probably only in my mind.
@karloveliki5373
@karloveliki5373 25 дней назад
​@@maricallo6143I have lived in Zagreb my whole life of 23 years and this is the first time I hear of this story. Googling around, there's no definitive answer to whether it was used for this purpose or not. You simply don't see many people around because locals are used to seeing it every day and tourists may just take a quick glance and nothing else. Also, wasps make nests in the cabin during summer
@casperreininga3253
@casperreininga3253 Месяц назад
Quite frankly, given the region you travelled through, it was only a matter of time for you to stumble upon one of these. Once again, it's an Austro-Hungarian locomotive, this one specifically originating with the Hungarian MÁV (yes, Austro-Hungary at seperate state railways for Austria and Hungary). It's from this heritage that the engine gets that weird smokebox door, btw, as that was the standard design for Austro-Hungarian locomotives. If you rewatch the Slovenian museum videos you'd probably spot the same design on most of the engines you showed. These kind of 0-6-0's formed the backbone of freight hauling througout basically all of Europe for most of the 19th century, and this particular locomotive is part of a class whose origins can be traced back to 1869, and which were build (in updated classes) up untill 1907. The Hungarian railway museum has multiple of these 0-6-0's, spanning a couple different subclasses, in its collection, including a sibling of this very loco. On a sidenote, whenever you do another cursed locomotive stream, make sure to notify your searchers about Hungarian (and to a degree Austrian) locomotive designs, because as you've been able to see in real life, they had some truly odd designs (and this 0-6-0 is far from the visually worst they came up with).
@kovacsabelkristof3566
@kovacsabelkristof3566 Месяц назад
Out of curiosity, what is the visually worst design they came up with?
@mluiaard7705
@mluiaard7705 Месяц назад
​​​@@kovacsabelkristof3566to stay with the theme of Hyce going to Bosnia and his heart for narrow gauge steam: the BHStB class IIIa4 had the wonkiest coupling rod and trailing truck you can imagine.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 Месяц назад
​@@kovacsabelkristof3566 The Royal Imperial State Railways specialised in ugly locomotives. There were several types with a row of square domes on the top, joined by a pipe that looked like a carrying handle. Probably the ugliest locomotive in the world.
@felixtheswiss
@felixtheswiss Месяц назад
Hyce you need to know European Locos had a much lower axle load compared to the US
@atshinkansen7439
@atshinkansen7439 Месяц назад
@@kovacsabelkristof3566The Hungarian Class 301 Pacific looks pretty hideous. Apparently, there’s one at a railroad museum in Budapest. (There’s a photo on the Wikipedia page for “4-6-2”.)
@user-lq2yh3vv3v
@user-lq2yh3vv3v Месяц назад
2:55 Are we all just gonna ignore the fact that nature has begun to take over this engine with that little plant growing out of the lubricating pocket?
@BandanRRChannel
@BandanRRChannel Месяц назад
I saw that too!
@user-lq2yh3vv3v
@user-lq2yh3vv3v Месяц назад
@@BandanRRChannel Good, Im not the only one who noticed that then XD
@nielsleenknegt5839
@nielsleenknegt5839 Месяц назад
That looked like such a cute lil fella.
@BrooksMoses
@BrooksMoses Месяц назад
@@nielsleenknegt5839 : It is so adorable!
@Stevonoistolen
@Stevonoistolen Месяц назад
I have some clarifications from my Czech friend: 1. The pistons being sideways was to save on space (citation needed) and the way lubrication is achieved is with a higher pressure more viscous oil 2: T̶h̶e̶ s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶b̶o̶x̶ i̶s̶ a̶ w̶i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶ e̶x̶t̶e̶n̶s̶i̶o̶n̶ t̶o̶ h̶e̶l̶p̶ w̶i̶t̶h̶ k̶e̶e̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶i̶r̶e̶ h̶o̶t̶ The smokebox extension is actually a front firebox, in the winter you would start a fire in the front of the smokebox in order to heat up the boiler evenly from both ends 3. The locomotive is probably unequilized because Old and shit 4. The middle "Blowdown" is more like a safety than a blowdown 5. The front mounted blowdown was for you to be able to see your flagman while switching 6. On the blowdown thing It was more than likely that It would have had a blowdown lever in the cab, but it was likely taken for parts, or stolen 7. The locomotive not having a independent was likely because in switching applications you would just use the trains airbrakes and it appears this was used as a switcher late in life 8. The equalization on the tender was to help it navigate curves better If anyone would like to issue corrections I will be more than happy to go back and fix these points
@vojtasTS29
@vojtasTS29 Месяц назад
In general in most of Austro-Hungary the philosophy was, and to this day kind of is "the train does the braking, not the locomotive". When locomotives like this were new, they only had a hand brake on the tender, as most trains just had brakemen on some carriages/wagons and that was it. Later when first vacuum and then air brakes were retrofitted, only the tender had any provision for any kind of brake, so it was the only way to do it.
@SheepInACart
@SheepInACart Месяц назад
Not gonna lie, I'd fear running down a hill light engine with only hand brakes on a tender, especially if its not full. Maybe there is some ability to use steam to help slow the drivers? Maybe not, in which case your whistling enough to let people know your coming and hoping you can stay on the curves, yikes.
@vojtasTS29
@vojtasTS29 Месяц назад
@@SheepInACart well you have to calculate your braking % accordingly beforehand and your max speed will be reduced to a safe speed from which you can stop with the brakes you have, and you can also admit some steam into the cylinders in the wrong direction if you really need to slow down. The tenders got their vacuum and later air brake retrofits rather quickly, though.
@htilden42
@htilden42 Месяц назад
Austro-Hungarian steam engines are just a whole different kind of cute ugly that I vibe with on a fundamental level. Even their express passenger locos were covered in all sorts of random pipes and fittings that made them look like they were not so much built as grown.
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules Месяц назад
The Austrians have one of the KKStB passenger engines that's still in operational condition, absolutely beautiful piece of kit.
@2712animefreak
@2712animefreak Месяц назад
One thing to note about the "future rolling past" is that it isn't only sleek and articulated, but also domestic. Those trains are the pride of our not particularly developed manufacturing industry sector. Thanks for visiting my hometown.
@JosipRadnik1
@JosipRadnik1 Месяц назад
This is interresting. Can you give me a short oversight in how the railways in Croatia are doing? I remember it from back in the Yugoslav aera in the 1980's. Since then, I only had the chance to ride once through Serbia and then Croatia. While Croatia seems to have kept the level and even improve services slightly here and there, railways in Serbia have fallen down beyond even many African and middle east countries. But all in all, one can't shake the impression that public transport and especially railways have decreased in importance and more could have been achieved if really tried. How do you perceive the situation there? Are people convenient to travel with public transport or is it more of a "must" if you can't afford to drive by yourself? Do people complain about the situation or are they satisfied? Sorry for askinkg all those questions, but im curious....
@VixessRin1702
@VixessRin1702 Месяц назад
I can't unsee the headlights as two big goofy googly eyes, this thing's so funky lol
@ramnrmeul
@ramnrmeul Месяц назад
It looks like the rear two drivers are equalized.
@michaelimbesi2314
@michaelimbesi2314 Месяц назад
Yep. So I guess it was effectively a tripod arrangement similar to a typical locomotive, except with the forward drivers taking the role of the pilot. @Hyce sound about right?
@lovropirkl2672
@lovropirkl2672 Месяц назад
I'm a local from Zagreb and a bit of a train head as well. There used to be a long running debate among the public of whether or not this loco is apropriate to be on display like this. The problem is that this loco was used by the nazi puppet state of Croatia (so called NDH) during ww2 to transport Jews, Serbs and Roma people to concentration camps and death camps all over the puppet state. The horrors the victoms of those camps went through cannot be described with words. Let's just say that even the germans were appauled by the crimes against humanity that were commited. When Croatia gained it's independence from yugoslavia in 1991 it was very important that croatia distances itself from the horrific nazi past, and therefore displaying a loco that used to deliver unwanted people to death camps like this was considered very controversial. Some made the argument that the loco isn't to blame for the crimes against humanity. Either way, nothing ended up being done on the matter and so this piece of very dark history is now proudly on display 500 meters away from the main square in Zagreb.
@Hyce777
@Hyce777 Месяц назад
Oh wow. That certainly is challenging... No kidding. I can certainly understand the controversy there.
@hazardousmaterial5492
@hazardousmaterial5492 24 дня назад
​@@Hyce777the stack of suitcases right next to the locomotive is meant to commemorate the victims
@user-rq5pp2rv5w
@user-rq5pp2rv5w Месяц назад
I am so glad that you came in Croatia, allso i am glad that you went lustening tambure! And I am glad that you comented on that locomotive!
@L5yea
@L5yea Месяц назад
As someone who frequently visits Zagreb Glavni Kolodvor [to mostly trainspott lol] it makes me happy that you took a moment to look at the old Katica
@L5yea
@L5yea Месяц назад
Also the smokebox door handle is still in the same spot when i tried to open it up lmao
@trevoro3227
@trevoro3227 Месяц назад
Would be fun to have that engine in derail valley
@Wulffman
@Wulffman Месяц назад
I'm so glad you came to Croatia, I've been following you for a while and I live in the street next to that locomotive
@kiarash608
@kiarash608 Месяц назад
American railroader reacts to non-American locos has to be a series, lol I'd love to see what you'd make of a Garratt
@rolandropnack4370
@rolandropnack4370 Месяц назад
...or those grotesque little creatures on the welsh narrow gauge lines...
@kiarash608
@kiarash608 Месяц назад
@@rolandropnack4370 Fairlies?
@davidty2006
@davidty2006 Месяц назад
@@kiarash608 they got both them and garrets next to eachother. Ontop of tender engines with saddle tanks.
@rolandropnack4370
@rolandropnack4370 Месяц назад
@@davidty2006 plus a wild mix of everything, as far as I know: Leslies, Mallets, Müllers... whatever they could grab. Even an engineless set of cars that was pulled by horse uphill, and worked by gravitation downhill, taking the horses with them for the way back... Imagine a rollercoaster, on board terrified screaming horses! What a comic-like scene! (I know, brutal and heartless. Horses aren't ducks in a sailor's dress.)
@JackSparrow-hh2lh
@JackSparrow-hh2lh Месяц назад
oh yes, and it could be a drinking game. Every time he says weird you take a sip 😂
@FuelFire
@FuelFire Месяц назад
Ah, the Spongebob-looking-out-of-a-mail-box 0-6-0. Hialrious.
@matthewseligman5470
@matthewseligman5470 Месяц назад
"High mailman!"
@ELDRGW
@ELDRGW Месяц назад
I love watching your brain melt on weird eastern European steam engines
@rohlicek3884
@rohlicek3884 Месяц назад
its austrian design actually
@ELDRGW
@ELDRGW Месяц назад
@@rohlicek3884 so south eastern European then
@thomasdeturk5142
@thomasdeturk5142 Месяц назад
That is what Thomas is, Thomas is a European Locomotive because he has buffers and chains While North American trains And Chinese trains use the Knuckle couplers. And Russia uses the automatic coupler.
@himaro101
@himaro101 Месяц назад
@@thomasdeturk5142 Not quite sure what Thomas has to do with Eastern European steam loco's? He's European in that I believe he's based off of an 060 that ran in London. Austria is pretty far away from the UK.
@Hungaryball103
@Hungaryball103 Месяц назад
It might be a MAV 326 series. It was a more common locomotive here in Hungary for mostly doing freight on flatlands and passenger in mountainous regions. The one you see might be there because of the Treaty of Trianon where we lost more than half of our rolling stock. If you want to see locomotives like this, come to Budapest where the Hungarian Railway History Museum is located.
@gamingit1
@gamingit1 Месяц назад
Težina lokomotive u službi or "weight of locomotive in use" is weight when tender is hooked up to locomotive and locomotive and tender are full of coal/water so that means when locomotive is in use it weights 73 tonnes. And also you should come to vinkovci in vinkovci we also have one loco!
@yelloweyeball
@yelloweyeball Месяц назад
Former Austria Hungarian Locomotives are weird, even compared with other European locomotives at the time. Karl Gölsdorf, who set most of the country's design choices was one of the weirdest locomotive designers, based on his decisions. But to be fair, he was making engines for a very weird country. You can find his engines in the most random locations, just because of how vast the empire was. After ww1, when it was broken up, most former countries struggled to restructure their railways. Austria especially had it bad, because the Empire's lines were structured on a north to south transport basis, and they now had to travel east and west between the big cities. I think Vienna at the time had 7 large train stations, but only had 7 express trains use them daily, after the war. It was around this time that they just shrugged and electrified a lot of lines. You could do a whole video where you look at old Austria Hungarian engines and gawk at how weird they look.
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye Месяц назад
This locomotive was already a very late example of its type. By the looks of it, it has sandwich frames. 2 thin steel plates with wood in between. Also no equalisation. These features with the outside frames were already old fashioned in 1891, as was the Stephenson motion. Outside Walschaerts valve gear was already well in use on the European continent. The lack of equalisation was maybe less of an issue with 4 or 6 coupled locomotives on the generally good quality track work in Europe, but was still strange as it existed and was proven to work. But most locomotives in Europe built from 1900 onwards do have compensation, as number of axles and the coupled wheel base grew it became more of a necessity. A boiler blow down was generally only performed when the locomotive was on shed, the covered distances were lower than in the US between daily maintenance, and the closer proximity of structures, roads, animals and people to the tracks made it more of an risk because of the large clouds of steam hindering visibility for the crew and road users and possibly scaring horses when these were still the main form of transport. Also water treatment came in use reducing the build up of scale
@vojtasTS29
@vojtasTS29 Месяц назад
You said the suspension was unequalized but it is partially equalized which is very common on European locomotives from the 19th century. The second and third drive axle and the first and second axle of the tender have equalized spring rigging. This is a hungarian locomotive, which you can almost always tell by the extremely long smokebox that was common in Hungary. The smokebox door is the standard Austro-Hungarian design, that Austria stuck with until almost the very end of steam, but everyone else replaced it with the "clock screw" smokebox doors and retrofitted most old locomotives as such (Czechoslovakia, Hungary, etc.)
@patricksheary2219
@patricksheary2219 Месяц назад
Such a lovely little early choo choo, Mark. I enjoy your assessment and reaction to all things train and through these, I continue learning so much. The Zagreb main station is absolutely beautiful. Curiosity peaked so I looked at photos of the inside and it’s amazing. Classical architecture is my favorite style. Thanks again for another beautiful video of your trip, Professor and as always cheers to you!
@SDE1994
@SDE1994 Месяц назад
9:58 it was common up until the 1910's/20's for crew to walk outside along the running board while at speed to oil the motion
@nielsleenknegt5839
@nielsleenknegt5839 Месяц назад
Yeah. Wasn't there also a story about Casey Jones oiling the engine while still moving and spotting a girl panicking in the gauge? IIrc he went on the pilot/cow catcher and picked the kid up or something like that.
@2712animefreak
@2712animefreak Месяц назад
On another note, buffer and chain coupling is still used by "engine and coaches" trains. Only multiple units have fancy couplers. It's an EU standard to allow for assembling coaches from different countries into one train. It allows for some funky scheduling such with through coaches. Some international trains from Zagreb are actually insane through coach memes. For example, the daily train to Frankfurt am Main is re-marshalled three times during its journey (in Villach, Salzburg and Munich).
@James-the-idiot
@James-the-idiot Месяц назад
Birb man in Europe: part 3 (or four)
@TarisSinclair
@TarisSinclair Месяц назад
Unusual train engine appears Birb Man: "Ka-caaaaaw!"
@James-the-idiot
@James-the-idiot Месяц назад
WHAT IS THIS CRAP?
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Месяц назад
@@James-the-idiot That which was deposited by birds . . . .
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules Месяц назад
Austro-Hungarian steam locomotives are such an unusual vibe. Despite there being very little information about them in English you can find a lot of them just on display throughout Eastern Europe. In Austria they have a 2-6-4 passenger engine that's still operational and has some similar features to this.
@COPPAS70
@COPPAS70 Месяц назад
Found this about class 125 online. "Old series designation: MAV 326=SHS 326, New series designation: JDŽ=HDŽ=JŽ 125 TYPE: C, Year of cessation of operation: 1970. The locomotives of that series continued to pull freight and passenger trains on the Karlovac - Rijeka (Sušak) line as a replacement for the first type of that locomotive series MAV326-IIIe. Since heavier and stronger locomotives arrived on the aforementioned railway, the locomotives of that series ran on all railways in Croatia and at the same time performed shunting work in all major stations until the end of their working life. Considering that they were in service for more than 60 years and that 497 of them were built, these locomotives deserve to be highlighted. Due to their versatile purpose and durability, train drivers and other railway workers liked to call them "Katica". The construction of these locomotives began in 1882 according to the plans that were drawn up in the MAV's main directorate in Budapest, because the Hungarian State Railways needed more modern locomotives as the range of freight transport increased more and more. Some models were built in Austrian and German factories, and from 1888, when the Hungarian locomotive industry developed, those locomotives were mostly built in Budapest. They were mainly built to haul freight trains on mountain railways, but they also hauled passenger trains well. On May 25, 1992, the locomotive with serial number 125-052 was exhibited as a memorial locomotive at Zagreb Central Station." This type of locomotive was very widespread on the JŽ network. Even SDŽ acquired several of these locomotives before World War I.”
@MainlyHuman
@MainlyHuman Месяц назад
I can believe the 1890s build date, it looks like it's been rebuilt a couple of times but it retains a lot of older features.
@SimonBauer7
@SimonBauer7 Месяц назад
6:41 thats pretty typical here too, in germany all the smaller steam locomotives had 3 axle tenders.
@TheGrejp
@TheGrejp Месяц назад
The EMUs you saw were mostly HŽ class 6112 (blue for suburban and red for regional lines). They're not particularly fast - their top speed is 160 kph (100 mph) since Croatia doesn't have any high speed lines, but at least they're new and in good condition.
@Pentium100MHz
@Pentium100MHz Месяц назад
You should visit Poland - they have lots of steam engines on display (in various stages of decay) and Wolsztyn even operates one steam engine for regular passenger service. It used to be possible to get to drive and fire the steam locomotive, but not anymore.
@emilpersson8250
@emilpersson8250 Месяц назад
The two rear drivers are equalized. The two front axles on the tender are also equalized.
@Hyce777
@Hyce777 Месяц назад
Interesting! I definitely saw the pinned front driver and assumed the whole thing wasn't. But that makes it a tripod! Makes total sense. I'm going to have to do a "this is what I learned and was wrong about" video at the end of all of these excursion videos.
@thomasdeturk5142
@thomasdeturk5142 Месяц назад
@@Hyce777if you can visit the countries of the former Soviet Union You can Check out the O Class 0-8-0 Steam Locomotive And also check out the P36 Class 4-8-4. The P36 is a 4-8-4 with Elephant Ear Smoke Deflectors Just the the Union Pacific 844 in the United States.
@oriontaylor
@oriontaylor Месяц назад
@@Hyce777That’s one of the main reasons I’ve subscribed to your channel. Besides the great content, you’re one of the rare YTbers who is willing to admit when he’s wrong and will go back and explain why.
@SteamfanScott
@SteamfanScott Месяц назад
Such a neat little doot and how cool is it that it survived to be enjoyed and also featured on your channel for us to enjoy too! Though nothing can replace End of the Line for the closing supporters scroll, that was indeed some excellent musicianship.
@tequt
@tequt Месяц назад
2:39 that station jingle and unintelligble voice is one of the best parts of that train station, it always cracks me up when I'm there.
@RicoBanani
@RicoBanani Месяц назад
I love how youre geeking out and laughing while naming all these parts that make no sense to me at all 😄
@bow-tiedengineer4453
@bow-tiedengineer4453 24 дня назад
Hyce, the rear two drivers are also equalized. And that actually does make sense, with two of them equalized and one of them not, it can still contour to fit a dip or swell in the track. The middle driver would go up and the rear go down or the opposite, putting the three points on the curve, they probably did it that way so they only needed one pair of pins instead of two.
@themidlandconnection
@themidlandconnection Месяц назад
Id love to see plinthed locomotives like this little friend get roof protection, try and keep the weather at bay
@Wulffman
@Wulffman Месяц назад
Locomotive name is Crna Katica which means black Kate
@donaldcarletonjr.9047
@donaldcarletonjr.9047 Месяц назад
Or Katy?
@andrewframe8046
@andrewframe8046 Месяц назад
9:57 I promise you that is exactly why there's that little walkway around the side of the cab.
@uncipaws7643
@uncipaws7643 Месяц назад
This type of smokebox door was very common throughout Austria-Hungary (to which Croatia belonged in 1899 when the 125.052 was built, originally numbered MÁV 2613). To me this locomotive looks quite old-fashioned and shares many characteristics with the GKB 671 (built 1860) which is still operational: Another 3-axle freight locomotive with outer frame. I read the 125.052 only reached 45 km/h, very slow by 20th century standards. I guess it was still ok for branch lines so it survived. The flimsy frame can be explained with the limited axle loads. A strict limitation on axle loads was imposed by the military because in case of war each locomotive should be able to be used pretty much everywhere. For a long time they didn't go the way of other systems that renewed the track on their mainlines so they could use heavier and more powerful locomotives. Is it really a Stephenson valve gear? According to literature (wikipedia) it's a Heusinger.
@SheepInACart
@SheepInACart Месяц назад
Kuhn slide (aka Heusinger) is a form of modified Walschaerts designed to save space. That'd make sense, but to be fair, the fact its missing a lot of the parts and is rotated 90' from normal, and is under the locomotive between the drivers means its pretty hard to tell what system it might have been, assuming it was even completely conforming to any one accepted standard at all, there where absolutely locomotives with weird hybrids.
@MotorCitySCRIPTS
@MotorCitySCRIPTS 3 дня назад
I think they were used as shunters, there is locomotive museum behind station that has 4-8-0 and 4-10-2 plus very cool E.626 electric locomotive
@dkbmaestrorules
@dkbmaestrorules Месяц назад
2:30 I believe the reason that locomotives on this side of the pond often didn't have equalised suspension is the fact that - and I say this with the greatest possible respect to American MoW crews - decent track is a basic expectation over here. 7:30 - very common arrangement on tender engines from the 19th century to have a tender handbrake and nothing else. In Britain, that was an almost universal arrangement, until the Board of Trade ruled that all locomotives must have power-operated brakes. They then usually got a steam brake added to the locomotive, and that was all the braking that some locos had right up to the end of steam in the 1960s. 9:50 - insofar as we use blowdown valves at all (many engines over here don't have them), we do not do it while in motion.
@JosipRadnik1
@JosipRadnik1 Месяц назад
Reminds me very much to the french Bourbonnais locomotives. This one might be based on them or even be a licence copy. Bourbonnais type locos where very popular in europe in the late 1800's afaik.
@averagerpgcharacter
@averagerpgcharacter Месяц назад
Absolutely awesome!
@ANDELE3025
@ANDELE3025 Месяц назад
Some 20 years ago (probably when was the last time it was cleaned and when the croatian railway as a entity instead of lone workers gave a damn about half of anything going on) when i was there, some of the workers would seemingly regularly explain (at least the dude and the lady i saw on weekends) to kids interested in it or trains in general how it works with comparisons to then new trains and what are by now out of order boxy small and longer oval trams.
@cropathfinder
@cropathfinder Месяц назад
As a local i gotta add something to your video that i feel is VERY RELEVANT! The train is a WW2 memorial, its one of the trains used to transport serbs, jews ,roma and other ethnic groups to Croatian and German ran extermination and concentration camps. Yes i said Croatian because yes croatian facist were allowed to run their own, some of them were so horrible the nazi's literally called them "too inhumane" (literal wording from the german governor of croatia). There used to be a memorial plate and the train was regularly cleaned to keep up appearance but that stopped around 90's or early 2000s. Reference plate to this was removed in the 90s during the "independence " period because the right wingers that took over (and are still in charge) are fans of revisionist history where the nazis and facists were the good guys, so similar to what happened 10 years ago in certain other european country where these relics of the 1940s got in charge they started destroying or removing a lot of anti-nazi and holocaust memorial stuff, they even tried to remove and scrap this train but massive protests stopped this.
@figbrandy5981
@figbrandy5981 27 дней назад
Worth noting is that originally the spot hosted a blue JŽ 11-015 which hauled passenger compartment cars. However since it was used to transport Tito, it was most likely substituted for this ghastly locomotive after the war. We'd rather have a locomotive that drove people to their deaths than one that drove a guy around...
@treinenliefde
@treinenliefde Месяц назад
"We're going to drive to Bosnia to maybe see some Kriegsloks'. I already know what you're planning and I like how casual you're talking about it.
@HoofmanJones030397
@HoofmanJones030397 Месяц назад
So...the rear two driving axles were equalized. You called out the front two tender axles, but not the rear two driving axles.
@Hyce777
@Hyce777 Месяц назад
well shit, I missed that
@mozeskertesz6398
@mozeskertesz6398 Месяц назад
Short story about the loco class: MÁV needed a bit more modern freight loco than the old Sigl standard III. class (later 335 series) of 1869, so they designed something that was more modern, a bit better, but still based on the bones of the older class. After the designs were complete, they said "Dump it", and they built 522 of them (denoted as class IIIe., later renumbered to the 326 series in 1911) in three series, between 1882 and 1912. The builders were: MÁVAG, Wöhlert, the StEG workshops, Sigl, Krauss and Floridsdorf. From 1890, all locos were built by MÁVAG. They were nicknamed "Duck" after their running quality, which can be described as similar to a duck.
@rdreher7380
@rdreher7380 Месяц назад
I need to listen to that beautiful music more!!! ♡ ♡
@Karlo-b3c
@Karlo-b3c Месяц назад
max speed of that futuristic train is 160, its modern and i drove it two times when i was 8 yrs old (i think) and they are built in croatia (trams are also built in Zagreb) , in Zagreb you have two train factorys tnx for stopping by in zagreb
@SheepInACart
@SheepInACart Месяц назад
Its wild to think some people lived to see both the last services at 45kph and the first at 160kph, yet many people currently alive can't imagine there is further innovations likely in their lifetime.
@Karlo-b3c
@Karlo-b3c Месяц назад
@@SheepInACart I totaly agree with you
@savosavic1089
@savosavic1089 28 дней назад
@Hyce railroad in Croatia, no matter is it freight or cargo service, is limited to 80kph, thats around 50mph
@TomPrickVixen
@TomPrickVixen Месяц назад
Umm... the 2nd and 3rd loco axles are equalized (similarly on the tender), witch is on a relatively light (16t axle load range) 0-6-0 is enough to "keep the wheels down", and YES the loco has no brakes of any kind, only the train-brake, and the tender's handbrake. The design clearly screams: Made in Hungary. And they made some goofy but quite good steam-locos, (like the European "Big-Boy" the MÁV 601), that were on par with German locos.
@themidnightbanshee5927
@themidnightbanshee5927 Месяц назад
There's an engineering museum in Zagreb, don't remember where it's been years since I was in Zagreb
@brianbarker2551
@brianbarker2551 Месяц назад
Always interesting to see how other countries interpreted "steam locomotive". Thanks for the detailed break-down too, I wouldn't know what half that stuff does.
@IsaacBaxter
@IsaacBaxter Месяц назад
I've noticed the last few videos haven't been announced on membership other than the videos appearing, why is that? Just asking but video is good 👍
@Hyce777
@Hyce777 Месяц назад
I've been doing a test of members early access - this comes out for the public on Sunday. As such, these videos are beating even thumbnail production, lol! I'll be making a poll about it. Might pivot to doing this entirely, depending on what folks think!
@IsaacBaxter
@IsaacBaxter Месяц назад
@@Hyce777 ok that makes sense, I think alot of people will vote for this way and I'll too
@Michelle_Klinge
@Michelle_Klinge Месяц назад
0:34 A sight of something the average American brain can not comprehend! Also hello from the Netherlands! 👋🇳🇱
@Einwetok
@Einwetok Месяц назад
You're pretty close to those armored trains they dusted off and used about 30 years ago.
@JonatanGronoset
@JonatanGronoset Месяц назад
"Tonight! Hyce falls through a dimensional portal and lands in Derail Valley, Hyce gets confused by a multitude of valves, and Hyce becomes a bird."
@mopac8233
@mopac8233 Месяц назад
It’s only a matter of time before hyce finds his way down to Serbia and visits the mokra Gora spirals
@danielfrankovic1639
@danielfrankovic1639 21 день назад
Yo thank you for visiting croatia, hope you Had a Great time
@barnykirashi
@barnykirashi Месяц назад
I suggest you visit Hungary's Railway History Park. I believe we got an optically restored version of a 326 as well. (We also have a USATC S160 class in working order I believe)
@benbedothu
@benbedothu 27 дней назад
The drivers are equalized. The second line is steam heating for passengers and certain tank cars.
@Skasaha_
@Skasaha_ Месяц назад
I've only seen that kind of smoke box door on older Austro-Hungarian locomotives.
@tigershark4469
@tigershark4469 Месяц назад
this locomotive is a sister to some Austrian ones including the world oldest still operating steam locomotive, GKB 617
@Isylon
@Isylon Месяц назад
It probably had been made by MÁVAG, the Hungarian Royal State Iron, Steel and Machine Factories. Good old times when we yet made our own locomotives, instead of buying them from abroad!
@yukonxl5723
@yukonxl5723 Месяц назад
Very fun starting music
@timpoes2479
@timpoes2479 Месяц назад
hey, Hyce! if you can visit some museums in the netherlands, we have some running dutch steamtrains (almost all of them are small) and we have so many german steamtrains that run. hope you visit one day.
@rohlicek3884
@rohlicek3884 Месяц назад
live, laugh, love austrian steam choo choo
@robertbalazslorincz8218
@robertbalazslorincz8218 Месяц назад
This is a pretty tiypical 0-6-0, they were everywhere at one point. Loads of manufacturers including MÁVAG, Floridsdorf, Krauss etc in Hungary, the last example was apparently withdrawn in *1979* . and this is coming from the same builder that went to go on to build the 2-6-6-0 Mallet that was at one point the strongest engine in all of Europe. *OH MY GOD SOMEONE NON-HUNGARIAN SAID BUDAPEST LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN RU-vid HISTORY*
@SmackoMations
@SmackoMations Месяц назад
Imagine putting on the tender brakes too hard and the locomotive breaking off with the crew still on lol
@attilavarga346
@attilavarga346 Месяц назад
In Hungary we have an engine like this called 1026 :D
@Kifla963
@Kifla963 Месяц назад
im a Croatian,now im sad i didnt see you(btw,ur croatian pronounciations arent bad)
@ruffleflip5912
@ruffleflip5912 23 дня назад
I’m currently on vacation in Croatia and arrived by train and was wondering what the train on display was.
@wonkagaming8750
@wonkagaming8750 Месяц назад
you should come to indonesia to the railway museum run by the state railway company, they have many whacky and weird locomotives
@Texaskeykeeper
@Texaskeykeeper Месяц назад
*gets read to make Czech joke* *gets beat to it* Damn it 😆
@n7275
@n7275 Месяц назад
The rear two drivers have an equalizing link.
@yannislee2344
@yannislee2344 12 дней назад
Nice to see you in Eastern Europe
@RailFanAthena
@RailFanAthena Месяц назад
Me watching in Dubrovnik about to go home unable to see funny choo
@bluescrew3124
@bluescrew3124 Месяц назад
But at least you were in Dubrovnik!
@IsaacDaBoatSloth
@IsaacDaBoatSloth Месяц назад
buffer and chain is literally just because updating a standard from the begining of steam existing is pain
@wulfbytez136
@wulfbytez136 Месяц назад
I'd love to see you come to Indiana to check out NYC Mohawk 3001.
@kovacsabelkristof3566
@kovacsabelkristof3566 Месяц назад
I'm pretty sure that is an ex Hungarian MÁV class 326 steam locomotive. According to a quick wikipedia search, it's number was 363
@Hungaryball103
@Hungaryball103 Месяц назад
Itt is magyarok vannak🤣
@Wulffman
@Wulffman Месяц назад
You have also near that locomotive ex factory Gredelj, and myb you can go visit in Bosnia šarganska osmica railroad with steam powered locomotives
@upnorth7497
@upnorth7497 Месяц назад
The firebox doors look like barn doors lol
@thomasdeturk5142
@thomasdeturk5142 Месяц назад
That Steam Locomotive reminds me of the Ov Class 0-8-0 in Russia. Паровоз Ов.
@osageorangegaming5128
@osageorangegaming5128 Месяц назад
That is indeed a weird loco. But hey, locos are like people: each engine/class is unique
@Interceptor00X
@Interceptor00X Месяц назад
The yurop way of designating locomotives is similar to the US tbh. Where you guys count the number of wheels, we count axles, and for the drivers we use the alphabet system, So for example 491 would be a 1-D-1, the Big Boy would be a 1-D-D-1 and so on.
@royreynolds108
@royreynolds108 Месяц назад
The frames are built-up plate frames instead of US bar frames or thick British plate frames.
@Racer69
@Racer69 Месяц назад
Fun fact: you can go inside it and climb on the footplates. I asked the station workers and nobody will mind.
@bluescrew3124
@bluescrew3124 Месяц назад
Molim te Vrati se back to Croatia!
@Johndoe-jd
@Johndoe-jd Месяц назад
Will you posts the music from your trip on the studio channel?
@Hyce777
@Hyce777 Месяц назад
Probably not; I don't have good video of it. I did link the video in discord that was streamed of the event.
@Pystro
@Pystro 27 дней назад
7:47 Wouldn't having equalizing bars between 1st and 2nd _and_ between 2nd and 3rd axles allow the engine (or tender) to seesaw forwards and backwards freely? The same as an 0-4-0 with equalization between the axles.
@user-rq5pp2rv5w
@user-rq5pp2rv5w 19 дней назад
That new train, it can go up to 160 kph. On main line it goes like this... Around Vinkovci it goes around 160 kph. Around Strizivojna-Vrpolje 120. Before Slavonski Brod 100. After Slavonski Brod to Novska 80. And between Novska and Zagreb 60 because Croatian railways company is a mess that is divided in 3 companies that does not function good, and trains are constantly late.
@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695
@wesbrackmanthercenthusiast4695 Месяц назад
Hey hyce I drove a 1886 huber tractor at the holmes country steam engine show I was helping the owner run the sawmill there
@apenasgargorio
@apenasgargorio Месяц назад
we need to add infinite dampers to CoS I NEED THE HEAT POWER!
@leont84
@leont84 Месяц назад
OI Hyce come to Varaždin you have bigger locomotive at the train station
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