we have a strange concept of normal. Bruce Wilson was shocked that we have an annual vehicle check(MOT). wait till he knows how strict our operating licenses are haha. I do love the Americans way though. cheap and interchangeable motors they use. gets the job done over massive mileage. no digi card in site ,
@@ReTroxStyleZ You make a good point about regulation and cheap high mileage motors, but North American tech seems to be lacking the human side of hauling in favour of shipping goods - or profit to the companies which produce domestic haulers.
Please bare in mind that in Sweden (the home of Scania and Volvo) you can run 64000kg (141000lbs) without any special permits, in Finland it's 76000kg (~167750lbs), so the power is well used up here.
How is it in Sweden, for the BK4 road network you can do 74000 kg - doesn't seem to be any special permits either now? Read a page that said since the trials ended and it was readily allowed it's hard to track how many such trucks there are so I guess no special permits. It's just that the road network you need to transport on is BK4 rated (and the trucks and trailers have enough axles).
I am from Mexico, all my life with KW, my last truck a T800 with an ISX 600, I decided to give a chance to a Scania R with a V8 engine of 620hp with 2212lb-ft. I won't go back to a truck from the United States, not even drunk, the Europeans are infinitely better.
@@franciscoandresmontestorre1895 Foton Autman y también pude realizar una prueba de manejo del Foton Galaxy cuando mire para comprar un troque, al final decidí scania por torque y confort, la mejor decisión de mi vida
Exactly! Well written regulation does not stifle innovation - it shows manufacturers what kind of innovation is needed. It is *incredible* what the private sector can get done when you give them the proper incentives and a reasonable explanation as to why we want it. Creating an economy of scale for a safety feature that is not commonly implemented today is not easy, and many manufacturers will shy away from taking that risk. If the government were to forcefully kick start that economy of scale because *everyone* has to do it, it can very quickly turn into much nicer trucks for a pretty small price increase.
Everytime I see someone bitch and moan about regulations I always remind them of the fact that the only reason auto manufacturers include airbags in their cars is because the law demands it. Massive corporations couldn't give two flying craps about your safety or the safety of the public, as long as they make money. It's why school buses don't have seatbelts, because the manufacturers have bribed (sorry, lobbied) congress into not making it mandatory. The worst part is that they sell the damn things with an added option for factory seatbelts, but no school ever adds it in. These companies spend so much damn money on so many programs just to convince the american public that the vehicles are perfectly safe, so long as you don't look at any statistics whatsoever.
Like very cheap and easy to change thing that has been around decades in certain *cough* country - turning/blinking lights being other color vs brake lights. Having brakes RED and turning/blinking (emergency) lights orange/amber saves more lives than people imagine. It would cost at most couple tens of bucks per car to change but even 100K+ cars won't have that until regulations demands that.
The regulations for the truck indistury has gone to far in europe. It's not fun or even nice to do it as a work anymore. Absolutley the biggest reason I quit 6 years ago. You are stuck with regulations decided with a comite that has no connection to real life and is enforced by a body that dosen't give sqat to the driver how the rules suposedly was made for with zero tolerance for faults especially in the stupid horrible drive time reuglations that now even has built in satelite tracking + police dosen't even need to stop you anymore but can remotley download and se if you driven a minute over. Started with industry automation instead. None gives a crap if you do a 16h shift (you don't have to do it but can) and if you do something wrong you aren't risiking a ticket a month later for it. Some regulations for construction zone are getting out of hand but compared to the trucking world it's a dream.
It's an underrated secret weapon ... high noise levels and poor thermal insulation in the cab add to driver fatigue ... It would have been nice if they had got to see the big long nose Volvo's etc that also get used off road or for military use..
As a driver of a Scania next gen, they are really quite in the cab with the engine running. There is a company in Holland called Vlastuin that custom builds T-cabs like the american trucks with a bonnet from the standard truck. Basically you order the truck with a longer wheel base than "normal" and they move the cab back and build a bonnet for it. That is the fast and easy way to explain what they do but the do much more to the truck. All the wiring need to be lengthened aswell. Dont know if you are European or American
and plus the cabin sits of 4 air cushions you dont even feel the engine working inside. We just got new Scania 500S and they are better than a Mercedes S Class in comfort
Quietness is a really ignored feature in cars and trucks. Noise and vibration are fatigue inducing. Holding a conversation becomes irritating. Talking on the phone is a struggle. When most cars were noisy, brands like Mercedes and Jaguar really made a big deal of it. As average noise came down, it ceased to be a selling point. But most vehicles are still relatively noisy inside. Trucks in the last decade or so have really reduced the noise. At least here in Europe. You can sit in the passenger seat the far side of the cab and have a normal conversation with the driver whilst doing 100km/h.
@@fabr5747 na its not that in the USA there no real truck manufactures competitions there really just 2 i can think off and you cant import new car/vans/trucks you can only import anything 25 years or older to USA due to the chicken wars, we Europeans have a load of manufactures so they have to compate for customers and competition equals innovation
@@maddermax74 100% bs this comment... Yes they can import whatever they want, but they have to pay import taxes, which is not the case for older vehicles. No one says that they can't import. That would even be illegal but whatever. No competition? 2 manufacturers? What are you talking about? Do you even realise that the truck market is very complex, that many companies buy chassis, with cabs, engines, mechanics, and then they install equipment on top of it? For trailers, there are 100s of competitors. But just take the truck manufacturers in the USA: 1. Volvo Group - Volvo - Mack 2. VW Group (Traton) - Navistar 3. Daimler Group - Freightliner - Western Star - Mitsubishi Fuso Truck of America 4. PACCAR Group - Kenworth - Peterbilt 5. Isuzu Commercial Truck of America And if you add the vans, you can add Mercedes, Stellantis, VW, etc... And nope, none of the problems I mentioned have any connection to a trade dispute, absolutely none. The US doesn't care about road safety. Pick-ups and SUV have 0 regulations about the shape of the nose, so much so that the number of deaths on the roads has been exploding over the last 20 years. You remove Canada from the equation as if Canada should follow American trade disputes. North Americans don't care about the workers, and there are no regulations strongly protecting them.
Yea when I saw that part of the vid, I thought 'hey, I think the truck my stepdad drove in the mid-80's had that feature'. I guess I remembered correctly :) And interesting to see that it's not standard in NA.
@@C64SX Literally got an old Dodge 1972 KT900 in the shed with a ring Feder with an automatic lock. The truck is British though, so that might be part of it.
And that is also the reason why European trucks are not allowed to be sold new in North America, they would wipe out the North American truck brands. Americans are allowed into import them in to the country when these trucks are 21 years old, and even then these 21 year old trucks are ahead of the American trucks. Just like the Japanese and Germans did in the 80 and 90s with American car industry.
Also, all those $25,000 Chinese electric vehicles would devastate the EV auto industry in North America, so they're tariffed at 100%. Free enterprise only when it benefits corporations.
yes nothing screams "we only manufacture crap and can´t do better" than this kinds of import bans... the other way round there are 0 of such laws, you can import any brand new north american truck to europe as you please, if it meets the current emmisions regulations and is adapted to european safety standards, you can use it for commercial use and buy a whole fleet of them, no one cares. Like the german minister of economics once said to Donald Trump when he complained there are too many BMWs and Mercedes on the streets in New York but on the other hand too few Chevys and Dodges in Berlin, "just make better cars if you want to sell more over here", plain and simple, free market competition.
@@perryelyod4870 The Chinese government gives huge subsidies to EV manufacturers. That's why the American and European governments levy heavy import taxes on these cars, because this is unfair competition. That is not the case with European trucks. The difference here is in the technical and driving qualities of these trucks.
Well, not really. Volvo sells trucks in North America, though they look different, DAF's part of PACCAR, which also owns Peterbilt, among other brands, and Freightliner belongs to Mercedes. So they have access to the same technology, they just don't sell it over there.
Of course you thought differently. You've been brain washed since you first started going to school into believing America is the greatest at everything. Do you know that America is the only country that isn't communist that makes their kids stand up and make a pledge of allegiance. Think about that. It's classic brain washing. Somthing you see in North Korea.
Highest rates of obesity, highest number of mass shootings, greatest wealth inequality in the developed world....yup, America is way ahead in certain things. lol
I'm a finnish trucker who immigrated to Canada in the beginning of 2024 and I have to say, having now driven Kenworths and Freightliners, I realized how many features of European trucks I miss. Mainly the much more quieter and comfortable cabs, full air suspension of both cab and axles and the torque and horsepower of more powerful engines, pulling 80,000lbs here with 400 something Cummins or Paccar feels so sluggish when climbing mountains. Still, I'm not in any hurry to go back home atleast yet.
As an owner operator in US, I am perfectly happy with US trucks, especially with trucks made before 2007. In any case my US Volvo is quiet 🤫 enough, I need to hear the engine and surroundings somewhat to be a safe driver. It is my own truck and any accident would be devastating.
@@Sefhen You obviously don't own your truck or ordered it with small power and a cheap Volvo or Freightliner cab. A W900 Kenworth or other Pacar cabs come standard equipped with air ride both in suspensions and cabs and the Cummins ISX is available in 650 horsepower and 2250 poundsfoot of torque. If you're only hauling 80k pounds/36300 kgs then your loads are to and from the US and not primarily within Canada, where as I've said before we're allowed 39500kgs on the very same 5 axle tractor trailer configuration , more on a 6 and 7 axle single trailer and or tridrive tractor. Lift axles on the tractor don't get you any extra weight in Western Canadian provinces or territories. In fact you're penalized for tractor lift axles as they must be kept raised at all times and carry a tare weight penalty, thus lower gross and payloads. You said you've been only driving in Canada this year. Therefore I'll excuse your ignorance of the trucking laws and industry here untill you become more aquatinted. You sound young, at least young to me, so I'll tell you what I've learned over the years and taught my children and grandchildren , look, listen, read, and don't be afraid to ask questions. Canada and the US have some reciprocity because of proximity but are two very different countries in laws, values and even cultures.
It’s funny how many Americans truckers claim their long wheelbase trucks are way more comfortable than cabovers, but every single person that has driven both say European trucks are way better in that aspect. Technology hasn’t stood still in Europe guys. The cabovers we have are nowhere near the same as the ancient cabovers America used to have. The concept of a long wheelbase tradition truck is superior in many ways. But only if technology is comparable. Unfortunately turning radius is something that technology can’t fix on the longer trucks so in Europe we have to use cabovers and we make the best of it.
Yep i have what i consider a long wheel base truck. It isn't stretched or anything. All factory. The engine sits completely in front of the cab which is great for working on it. However it does indeed have an absolutely terrible turning radius.
I think most people understand that technology has progressed with cabovers. However, there's no need for them in the US generally because we don't have such small roads.
@@martinsv9183 Easier access to the engine, better aerodynamics and easier climb into the cabin are possible advantages of the longer nose trucks. In the EU the trucks are cab over, because of regulations.
More horsepower per gal or liter, means less pollution. Cleaner burn, complete burn, more efficient, more environmentally friendly. Horsepower is green power
@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="750">12:30</a> That siderail literaly saved the lives of me, my girlfriend and her two kids once. My car slided next to a trailer truck, in the night and in sprayrain on a muddy piece of highway in the Netherlands. If the nose of my car wouldn't have bounced of that rail but slided underneath that trailer, right in front of those big trailing wheels, we would have been canned like sardines..😬 I'm still greatfull for the law that made safety rails on trailers mandatory. 🙏🏼
Brakes are also very different (i think). In Europe every truck and every trailer have ABS and ESP and every combination is compatible which means you can attach any trailer to any truck and it will do a flawless emergency brake every time without the trailer or truck spinning.
ABS has been pretty standard in North American trucks for the better part of 20 years, trailers also have ABS but I believe they operate independently from the tractor though I could be wrong
Also I remember hearing like one case of truck losing brakes in Finland or European countries in general. Internet is full of videos of that happening in North America and comments are always full of people going "well it just happens sometimes. Nothing you can do about it" 😬 It does seems European countries can do something about it for some reason though 🤔
@@topiuusi-seppa5277 i believe it might be due to how brakes work. in europe the air pressure goes against the springs of the brake shoes. so you use air to RELEASE the brakes. if shit happens the brakes lock. in america is the other way around so if you have a failure you lose the brakes.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 That actually makes so much sense. I knew how European truck brakes work, but I did not know it's different in US. I definitely prefer the EU way, but I HOPE at least Americans had some reason to do it the other way.
I think you are being generous with "10 years ahead". More like 20. Disc brakes, electric braking systems, clean engines, overall power, safety of driver enclosures.....all items where we here in North America trail wayyyyy behind.
We're probably not far ahead with driver safety. I agree with everything else though. Actually, had to quickly edit this. I actually prefer drum brakes for the simplicity
I'm not a truck guy. I fully admit that. But are you implying that trucks in the US uses drum brakes and not disc? That honestly boggles my mind. Like, I can't comprehend it. Why? Please, make it make sense.
@@Rithan94 they're cheap, less prone to issues and take up less room. For off road applications they are Great. The need for a large nobbly tyre that's going to be dragged through the mud lends itself nicely to drum brakes. They can mount inside the rim and not be exposed to rocks and debris. I left the army in 2023 and they all ran drums for that reason
@@Rithan94 the first disk brakes appeared on production lorry's back in the mid 70's, being 1976 for the Unimog U1300 and U1500 SBU's which were new in that year and their later follow-ups U1000 upwards be they MBU or SBU, and 1978 for the older existing modals like the U 600 and U900 (all the aforementioned were then disk braked on all wheels) - however it was not until the 90's that disk brakes started to become an option item on lorry's and trailer axles in general, as they shifted from beyond air-over-hydraulic systems of smaller lorries to the full air disk brake with spring parking brake function of heavier lorry's - what they are saying is disk braking on lorries and trailers is much more mature and adopted here in Europe and the rest of the world than it has been in NA.
@@Rithan94yeah, most do. I think those who move to disc brakes are doing so to save weight. Disc brakes often weigh less. Combined with super single tires, saves hundreds, maybe 1000 lbs? I dunno. Unfortunately, some disc brake systems are much more expensive to repair/replace.
you can say whatever you want about those (crazy) regulations in the EU. But those regulations force producers to invent all this amazing stuff, that makes our Trucks, Cars, etc so damn good. In the US they want to go for more oil, more gas.....no need to change something.
Amazing what humans can do when you're not brainwashed by billionaire lobbyists groups....who always use the poorest in society to push their ideas forward lol. Oh the irony. USA needs to tell lobbyists to F off....but at this point it's a billion $ industry on it's own. The fear around the word 'regulation' is wild....even us Europeans are wary, but yanks are too far gone down the rabbit hole.
☝️Yeah,this. Also the fact 80% of the US population don't have a passport hence never went abroad plays a role also. In my experience in general they are very narrow minded about the world outside
@@thesandero2454I was in Vegas and had a Texan ask me what I had for home defence. When I told him a house alarm he was absolutely dumbfounded. “You got no guns” “If I tought I needed guns to be safe at home I wouldn’t live there” Poor bloke is still baffled I bet
@@Quattro_Joe Well that all depends where you live in Europe. Some countries have guns in every home, or most homes. Those countries are also the SAFEST to live in. Weird aint it.
A major reason the US has an average weight restriction of 80,000 Lb is because their bridges are so dilapidated that many can't handle the extra weight. Here in Australia we run heavier weights and distribute the weight more evenly with more axles. This puts less stress on the roads and our bridges are built to allow us to run heavy.
Because we contribute so much of our taxes to defense to cover your butts. NATO would collapse without us. That is why our infrastructure is going downhill.
You chaps would rather fund endless wars, overthrow govts followed by yearly billion $ economic aid payments than fix your own deep infrastructure issues....and I ain't talking about just potholes.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="322">5:22</a> - We should be grateful that we don't have to follow Europe's safety regulations. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="484">8:04</a> - "We need to follow Europe's way on safety."
@@dubious6718 Those safety rails are not for show, when a car runs a red light or does a careless lane change, they don't end up under your trailer, and ruin your whole day, instead of just inconvenience it for a couple of hours.
Imagine thinking putting lights on a trailer is smart, and then thinking you're only 10 years behind in Truck Technology. Somebody, please tell them that we have air suspension on trailers, and have brakes on the front-axle of our trucks as well ;P
Some of these EV trucks coming out with their "low range" are actually perfect for a lot of local routes. I doubt within our lifetime we'll ever see pure EV trucks doing Sydney to Perth routes, but from distribution centres to stores they're perfect
A company is using the new 60 ton plus electrics between finland and sweden on fixed routes for steel transport, they charge at their logistic centres.
@@Huntracony oh absolutely, and it's not like there isn't already a train line, it just needs to be upgraded to handle bulk freight to replace the trucks
Charging time is drastically reducing. The electric truck shown in this video does 20-80% in 40 mins. Chinese manufacturers have developed batteries (for cars) that can charge 20-80% in 10 mins, deliveries are for 2025 so only around the corner. I won’t be surprised if in the next decade or so we get trucks with 10-20 min charge time. Especially once all new vehicles become electric. Meaning those long distances will be possible without too much time lost.
EU. Make the driver's life easier and comfortable for efficiency and money-saving. US. Make everything cheap as possible, to save cost and ignor the driver.
Yeah been seeing lots of US trucking videos now, I've got no issue with the long nose or the way their trucks look. Non-synchro manual just means less clutching, more driver involvement (and auto is just downright boring, to me personally, in my opinion). But from there on they lose out, inside they shake and rattle, not great build quality, high af noise inside the cab, you expect one or two issues with a truck OTR, but there always seems to be one issue or another.
Don't forget that the vehicles on exhibitions are usually the top model with all the options. The same happens with buses and cars. It depends only on the trucking company what options will be selected. Some of those care about the drivers, some even buy highly custom vehicles with special paintjobs, but some buy the cheapest model without anything unnecessary. For example some bus operators in the Czech Republic buy buses without AC (M.A.N. Lion’s Intercity for ZDAR), some even don't have the little door that separates driver from passengers (MB Intouro for ICOM transport).
The explanation of why Volvo-Scania serial make engines with almost 800hp is because they are built in Sweden were together with Finland the trucks are higher, longer and a lot heavier than the rest of Europe. Sweden have the 74 tons limit and I think Finland is trying out a combination with 90+ tons so the high horses are not just for show. 😅
@@LordRiggzno we definitely do have 90+ ton trucks too, but there's some limitations to it. I think it's a special permit for the truck + driver, but not as restrictive as the special wide or long loads that need a trip specific plan and permit.
A very common statement for the founders of startups. You work like a slave without overtime, bear all the risks and all your worth is in assets, but nothing in cash.
USA main problem is lack of competition in the truck market in the states where in EU we have a boat load of them and competition equals innovation and as you cant import any new vehicles unless there 25 years old there no need for the USA company's to compete, think its 15 years old for Canada
@@Henry-ij3ks dont Paccar own your 2 biggest manufacture's Kenworth and Peterbilt and that is a USA own and run company not European, and if you had old stock from us your trucks be way more advanced as USA trucks are like 20+ years behind lol
It's not competition... it's regulation. All those EU brands are the owners of most of US brands. The only reason all this is not in USA is because they are not forced to..
That's because America is not a capitalist country any more it's an oligarchy, run by a few rich families. And the Republicans want to get rid of all regulations, so it can be full Fascist. And it's all American voters fault, because they don't understand how economics work so are easily deceived by the media. There is no right/left in America, only corporate.
Had a really scary incident at work when a guy fell backwards off his flat deck. One of the ugliest first aid calls I've had , the guy wasn't breathing when I got to him. I like the guardrails! -a safety guy 🦺
I think the issue with North America especially the US is the "my way or the highway" mentality to innovations from outside. "Anything from Europe must be bad because it ain't American." I think we could both learn from each other.
All the US truck manufacturers are already owned by European companies. Navistar International is another VW brand already building their newest US trucks with parts from the European parts bin with instrument panel and buttons from a VW Golf and drivetrain from MAN and Scania (which both are VW brands). Mack is built by Volvo. Peterbilt and Kenworth is Paccar that also has Dutch DAF and Leyland from the UK. Freightliner and Western Star is Mercedes.
American and Canadian truckers should really start lobbying that European trucks are allowed to be sold in North America (Mexico already does). If the American manufacturers are so scared of some competition they should just start building better vehicles
Impossible to do when the average American trucker, like half of the country has for decades, been brainwashed by billionaire/industry lobbyists that regulation/free competition is the devil himself. The country is literally going the other way & endorsing protectionism further, not just against China but also Europe. Not even political anymore as even the Democrats didn't u--turn most of Trumps policies on trade. What's even worse is that taxpayer money will now subsidise old technology
I seriously doubt the US has the Mechanics/Infrastructure to support these trucks. If they don't receive regular maintenance they become very unreliable and costly to fix.
Yes and also to allow EU licensed drivers to convert their licenses. Im a german and Canadian dual national. Did my C/CE in Europe went to Canada and they told me I have to re do the whole class 1 license . Costs around 15 grand. Well I did and then the driving school scammed everyone out of their money , glad I didn't pay the full amount up front. I ended up driving a 5 ton and then I went back to germany. The Volvo truck im driving now is so much better in any way than the crappy freightliner I had at the driving school. I took forever to pull a half full trailer. You have to solve a rubiks cube to get it to drive. My Volvo pulls a full load 40" container like nothing . No rubriks cube , no two brake buttons , no jake brake lol . No wobbling and a very smooth ride . Still liked living in canada . And I will always love canada .
@@rkan2 our snowmobile trailer has like 6 extra reverse lights on a standard car 12v system. 2x40 watt, 2x30 watt and 2x24 watt and the original built in reverse lights which is like 5 watt, no reall issues
@@einar8019 The whole point of 24V system is if your truck is 20 meters long, your cables can be 30 meters long before reaching some consumables. A snowmobile trailer or anything before 10 meters is hardly an issue with 12 volts. Now count a conservative 200W lighting load at the end of a trailer in total, not including other consumables. With 12V system that is 16A. Count for a 5% voltage drop, because 10% would already be a lot less. That means that with 30 meters of cable you would need to be running at least 35mm2 cable the entire length of the truck. Bear in mind this doesn't even count other consumables along the way, (multiple) trailer couplings or the longer trucks like in Europe at 34,5m. The wire run could start to approach 50m. With 12V and wanting to have 10V at the end of the trailer(s), that would mean you would need 50mm2 cabling to be able to do it. With a 24V system you can simply do half the cross section on the cable. I dunno where you are from, but here that aready pays for a nice set of working lights. Nevermind the massive cables between trailers.
Dude! As an American I have to admit. but European trucks really does kinda put American trucks to shame like they really care about there truckers confert 👌
Imagine being from a particular country who, for decades, has assumed they were the best and most exceptional country on earth - that always did things better than everyone else. Then one day, in the 2020's, they look at European cars from the 80's and 90's. Then they see modern European trucks. Must suck to finally realise you're not that exceptional and other places have been doing things way better for a long time.
This is a trend on tiktok of Americans on holiday in Europe having their minds blown by the most obscure tiny thing that's been normal in Europe for decades. So behind on so many things. But most don't care cause they don't even have a passport to realise there's a different world out there. And even when they do get a passport...they see American resorts in Cancun lol
I have long admired Euro trucks and this shows how North America should be littered with their technology instead of the Freightliners, Kenworths and Macks and Petes we typically see out here. For some reason our tech seems to stop at frame rails.
Paccar owns DAF. One of the better truck brands in Europe and their last ones (like the XG and especially the XGplus) are really advanced. Paccar could use that tech in an instant. Why they don't baffles me. Must be a money thing. It always is.
Just watch Bruce Wilson's videos about him following the Scania he is having built and sent to the US. I think he said at least 25 times "this isn't how an American factory would do it" or "How an American truck is built/designed". Even US Volvo trucks are dumbed down for the US market. If some of these trucks are ever sold in the US (discounting Volvo) I would guess most of the American truck makers would fold.
On the comment about plastic interior you don't seems to realize the problem is not the plastic interior. The HVS truck interior has no less plastic than other European trucks. The problem with US trucks is making plastic surfaces to mimic chrome, leather and, the worst wood. In design esthetics the biggest sin is "attempt to deceit" the eyes. US trucks can't depart from the polished chrome, fake wood dash, and garishly embellished leather. I would live in plastic interior like the form follow function design of jetliners. Just about all the European trucks I've seen on RU-vid has interior like a high end European car. Yes, just about everything is plastic, without any attempt to mimic chrome or wood. One thing that was not pointed out is the flip up tractor rear fenders on all European trucks.
Wait until they find out Europe has had hydraulic/electric drive assist on trailers for years. That would get you up the Coquihalla a lot easier in winter😂
@@jone8626 not that you really ever need to do that if you have good tires and if you have a 6x4 truck it wont give you alot of extra traction if any at all
The single biggest problem in the USA (in particular) is the Chicken Tax. It's turned the heavy vehicle market into a captive one where US manufacturers have zero incentive to do better because they're well insulated from competition Add in the DOT vs "rest of world" (UN) vehicle standards and that's another barrier to entry - ironically USA manufacturers who attempt to export tend to bellow loudly when they find they have to comply with UN standards in the rest of the world and scream "unfair competition", with demands that other countries accept DOT spec vehicles whilst refusing to allow UN spec in North America Harmonisation would solve a lot of issues (Mexico allows UN spec, amongst others) and open the USA up to a lot of competition (plus allow USA makers to export more easily - if they want to) The Chicken tax, coupled with looser emission rules for trucks is also why US motorists moved away from station wagons into pickups and SUVs of ever-increasing size as emissions exemption thresholds get heavier and heavier over time
THIS !!! this is the craziest lobby succes (read bribes/corruption). For everybody outside the car it is getting more and more dangerous, pedestrian fatalities are growing year over year and fuel economics are not addressed at all because of this !!! "The Chicken tax, coupled with looser emission rules for trucks is also why US motorists moved away from station wagons into pickups and SUVs of ever-increasing size as emissions exemption thresholds get heavier and heavier over time"
I believe you have been behind Europe most of your adult life when it comes to read technology. When I see American made trucks and cars (Except for Tesla) it's like watching a documentary filmed at a museum. at least 30 years behind! Just compare fuel economy to see how far behind US is.
My father was a Scania salesman. The head mechanic of the dealership went to the States for a holiday in the mid 90s and toured around the north eastern states. He loved seeing all the American trucks and took lots of photos. But he said he was shocked at how old fashioned they were. He said it was like time had stood still in the 1960s or 1970s. The engines, the brakes, the steering, the coupling, the cab materials etc. At first he thought they were older trucks that were really well looked after and then he realised they were new models. He said coming back to work on Scania etc made him feel like a scientist.
Not to mention that somehow small powerful Diesel engines never caught on in the North American market. Friend of mine has VW Polo with a 1.6 TDI engine. It only makes roughly 90 HP, but the MPG is astounding. For bigger cars one could always use a 2l Diesel.
@@mr.trueno6022 I have a Volvo with a 2.0l diesel engine. Combined MPG is 65+ officially. I haven’t worked out if that’s what it does (we use kilometres) but it’s probably around that. Also puts out over 180bhp.
from Canada, years ago, when I saw the first european steerable trailers, I wondered how long it would take our trucks and trailers in Canada to catch up, hasn't happened yet......great show, thanks for sharing. you must use some of those innovations here is Canada, make our manufacturing catch up to European standards.
@@oditeomnes There is that plus the nice thing about a non-steerable system is that you dont have another steering system way back there to maintain. The thing with all of these differences is that European needs and North American needs are two very different things. North American road infrastructure and distances mean that simpler, lower maintenance, cheaper, longer lasting equipment is more suited to us. Now I don't know a ton about European roads, but from what I've read and looked at in videos and whatnot(correct me if I'm wrong), it seems that European roads are smaller and rougher/steeper meaning both that the equipment needs to be more maneuverable, higher power, and able to carry more due to the fact that you cant have fleets of large vehicles on the roads all the time like we do (Again if I am mistaken please correct me), the higher load requirements require better braking and safety systems. The drawback with the higher maneuverability, power, and braking is that the systems are a little more complicated and higher maintenance. In essence we get to cheap out over here in North America lol.
@@carljohnson8840 roads are narrower and steeper but usually of better quality, so definitely not as rough. That makes for less wear and tear. Also, the us cheaps out on things because the workers accept that. In Europe we could also go cheap but the people just don’t accept that. They want comfort and easy to drive trucks. And real safety. I would even say if the is trucking industry would adopt European technology and implement it in American trucks those would be way superior over anything that exists now. They would be way more fuel efficient, comfortable, safer and nicer to drive. And it would even safe money because we build things heavier and to a higher standard and it’s always cheaper to do things right the first time than to go cheap. The majority of us trucking is on the road from warehouse to warehouse, our trailers would last for decades in the us just like they do here.
@carljohnson8840 Uphill hairpins definitely sets a certain demand on trucks. Which is why the 700+hp rigs are especially popular in the nordics, as loads also exceed the weights of southern Europe by up to 90% (100metric tonnes + or around 230,000lbs)
as Nordic those 34,5m long and 76tons heavy (metric) everyday loads and special 93-104tons (metric) becoming more common with products of Scania, Volvo and Sisu i already feel like other Europe is behind 5-10 years and then youtubers like Bruce Wilson makes the feeling that Europe is ahead of USA about 30-40 years. Gives kind of interesting feeling that what are the laws and opportunities made for heavy vehicles elsewhere.
Honestly, a lot of that is to do with just attitude, frankly I feel like while tech is definitely different neither is ahead or behind, because if the tech was wanted it would be here. Thats just my opinion tho.
@@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 it's wanted by the drivers and truck companies, but the idiotic regulations in USA are holding everything back and the manufacturers.
That going larger/heavier in the scandinavian region hasnt anything to do with attitude, its simply something a lot of europe could not do. So its not the rest of europe being behind on that but simply not being able to go there because of the geographical and infrastructure limitations. Same as only having small rivers preventing the adaptation of large ships ... nothing to do with being behind in development. Germany tries to go larger/heavier, by mapping and regulating a large/heavier truck network in its infrastructure, on which you can go larger for as long as you stay within that network. But for now its not very economical to have a fleet of trucks being stuck in that network.
It’s not that Europe is behind. It is a question of need and population density. Scandinavia has a huge timber industry and vast areas of low population. You can make that industry far more efficient by allowing bigger loads whilst having negligible effect on road safety.
That VW, so nice... and then, you look at Navistar/International and think "Why do they not have that?" Well, because US companies aren't willing to pay for it. It's the same company after all.
@@thomasbarlow4223 Just remember to have a good braking from time to time to avoid glazing of the discs👌 Retarder is an amazing tool and saves the braking so much🤩
@@Tom-bp6no Don't know about that. Going to need a lot of energy for an electric motor to be of much help. It will also add more weight for both the motor and battery. Motor also has to be placed at or before the transmission. The battery also need to be put somewhere. Most likely have to sacrifice some fuel tank space for it. I think the electrified trailers is a better solution for this. At least for those without a thermo unit that require space for fuel tanks. Here in Norway wholesale company ASKO use pure electric Scania for last mile deliveries up to around 200 miles round trip. They have 150kW chargers installed at the warehouse loading dock and 3-400kW chargers at a parking lot. The Scania R40 can do up to 220 miles with 40 metric tons.
I think the biggest difference is due to America sticking to tradition or old school ways, they dont want change. The other thing is the US companies are profit driven, will save every cent they can. Europe generally are more about safety and operator comfort and ease of use. This is more expensive to start but usually have a better payback.
Its BiG business rules everything in America, food,health,education,police,gaols and the government. Thats why there isn't STIFF regulation everywhere. Boeing a prime example. MONEY first, Greed is Good attitude. Nothing to do with design ability of American Engineers.
I don’t know why you guys don’t use ringfeeders when they have greater towing capacity than pintle hitch which has a better towbar tongue weight capacity, most triple roadtrain with trailers 45’ long each with a ringfeeder last a long time and easy to use and 53.5m and the super quads use 3.5” pin fifthwheel turntable hitches as they are super loads with four full side tippers with about 40t per trailer onroad
The difference is easy to spot. American trucks are patchworks of different parts. European trucks are actually deeply integrated and engineered machines.
Love it that everyone has fenders in Europe - don't know why that's not a thing in North America - like your whole truck and trailer looks like crap with all the junk thrown up. Paint gets chipped etc. get more corrosion. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="630">10:30</a>
I'm not even a truck dude & and I appreciated this video. Was curious to see what yanks made of our trucks & only realised you were Canadian when the video was informative, easy on the ears & unbiased.
@@raybod1775 What u talk about... Look who own your big 3, Paccar - DAF, Freightliner - Mercedes, Navistar -VW/MAN/Scania. It's legislation problem because u can easy transfer technology between divisions, also even Ford make CAB-Over F-max
@@mateuszzimon8216 They are owned because they were lazy. If they were running an effective and efficient business, they would have bought the world, like some other U.S. based companies do. No competition seems the way to big profit in the short run (say, 5 years), but after 20 years of little innovation, you're 10 years behind on the rest of the world. ---- Yes, 5 years is still somewhat short term. Long term is counted in decades.
I was just in Norway and the thing that struck me was how quiet the Scania trucks were in the city centers. You could hardly hear the diesel run yet they had full loads on them. Too bad Scania doesn't sell in the US. Their trucks would be excellent short haul or in town trucks.
They sell trucks made with Scania and MAN parts in the US. International is the US truck brand under VW. Their newst lineup is made with Scania/MAN/VW parts and drivetrain.
Those logging truck lights actually go even way the f overboard sometimes in Finland. I've once driven past a logging truck when it started loading close by to the road and put ALL it's lights on for it and it was like the night suddenly turned into day 😅 sometimes on long rural roads you see their lights in the sky thinking there's a logging truck very close by, it just doesn't come so you start thinking maybe it's a town instead and then after like 5 minutes the truck finally passes you and the light in the sky disappears 😂
@@Alec72HD Let me be clear. The rigs you drive are amazing. But listening to the comments about power, luxery and stuff. We in europe are used to the cab over trucks. The drivers that sleep in them for about a week are used to that. I know that in the US, you people use them as your home.. Respect! i could not do that.. Most drivers in europe are home every weekend. I myself work "localy". just a 10 hour shift a day for 4 days a week. In the Netherlands that means i work "fulltime". If you want more inside info on money and stuff, let me know. Happy to onform.. Best of luck..
@@MrPAlberst2 Glad to read a comment from a real EU truck driver, not those Euro supremacists who just want to insult anything American without having any experience of driving or owning a truck.
@@aaaabababa I've been in both. Because Euro cab has 4 air bag suspension they are quieter and softer. American trucks don't need 4 airbags (we have 2) because front wheels aren't directly under the driver seat. So, American trucks allow more sound in and you feel the road more. That is arguably a good thing especially for those who shift gears by the sound of engine. And feeling more connected to the road allows me to feel lateral G forces better, preventing roll overs and making me a safer driver overall. I just don't need to feel like I am driving a boat out on a lake. That's how you fall asleep behind the wheel. In summary, everything Euro trucks have we can have also. American trucks are better suited for North American roads and trucking industry.
Honestly they are about 20 years ahead of the USD in automotive technology, visiting Europe was just a revelation of how far behind the USA is in most things
If you get Volvo's premium package, you get a wirelss remote on which you can see a scale for every axle (including trailer), use hydraulic functions, monitor and set engine RPMs, and also adjust air suspension for both front, back, right and left to get properly aligned with any uneven loading bays. Volvo also makes dual clutch transmissions that shift so fast that the wheels never stop driving. Scania has the best weight distribution adjustment, though. They have it so that you can hold the button for weight transfer to the drive axle, so you can set more acurately set how much weight you want to tranfer from the tag to the drive. Adaptive Cruise Control is something most brands have now as well. It's linked to a satellite and use GPS to know where hills, valleys (as well as their grades) and sharp turns are so if you have it enabled it will select gear and adjust speed (let up or speed up) according to the terrain ahead. Even if you don't have it enabled, in a Scania it will warn you of upcoming sharp turns or steep downhills and it will tell you to let up the gas. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="335">5:35</a> VBG is also a Swedish company founded in Vänersborg, Västra Götaland county, in 1951. Their newest model (optional add-on) has a radar in the back which sences where the trailer's coupling is and it will show it on a little display and tell you if you need to turn left/right or elevate or lower the air suspension. Most companies opt for a factory mounted back-up camera that is mounted right above where the VBG coupling will be. That's how it is in Sweden, at least.
@@Helveteshit One of the reasons why AB Volvo sold Volvo Cars to Ford was to gain the funds to be able to buy Scania. However, the EU didn't like the fact that one company would then own over 90% of the truck manufacturing markets in all Nordic countrie and Ireland, so they stopped Volvo from buying Scania. The odd thing is that they never stopped VW from buying both MAN and Scania. Nor Daimler Benz from buying a shit tonne of companies. Might be because they didn't want a Swedish company to threaten the precious German manufacturers.
@@tntfreddan3138 Well, I just thought of mentioning that Volvo Trucks and Buses are still Swedish. Since Volvo Cars is Chinese Owned. And they sometimes get confused and believe Volvo Cars is still a Swedish brand these days. Bit amusing tho that EU stopped it. When there is other companies that have almost a monopoly on 'niche markets'.
Aren't you guys all about highways and long straight roads? When I think of the small roads where I live in Norway and how logging trucks can barely even pass each other, I wonder what constitutes pathetic roads. We sure can't support the size and turn radius of US trucks.
Never been in usa or canada i want to come by one day. But our road arent perfect at all. Alot of potholes we love to call it "speedbumbs" of highways . We have spended so much money to save "europe poor countrys" so we cant even take care of our own people or roads nomore even we pay high taxes for it😂
I think we all love the design of the classic trucks from the US brands. But as a swede I'm proud of the technological improvments at Volvo and Scania. The design and tecnological level isn't only about tecnological issues, it's also about what is paractical useful or required at the specific market and by the laws that regulate the commercial heavy traffic. A great video with interesting information very well presented.
You guys need to try to set up a meeting with Mammoet. They are the guys doing the really heavy loads for transport and lifting. Maybe you could convince them to fund building them a hybrid truck. The advantage with them is while they want the torque for moving these loads that weight hundreds of thousands of lbs but they also typically travel the entire route so they would be able to basically program in the route to allow for as much regen as possible on downhills. They could also use the onboard generator to power all their trailers since they typically have electric motors on the trailers as well.
Adjustable height air suspension have been pretty much standard here since the first gen Volvo FH. It came out, let me check, 1993. Let's be generous, and say it took a decade for the air suspension system to catch on over leaf springs. That still means that the height adjustment has been standard for literally a quarter century.
As an European, I think that north America is not just 15 years behind; I think they are 30 or up to 40 years behind on their trucks and trailers. In Europe we had features on our trucks in the 80's that north America doesn't even have today! If you like to have a Scania with an Amaerican style "long" nose, take a look at Vlastuin in the Netherlands. They convert Scania cabover trucks to long nose trucks, or torpedo trucks.
Was going to say something similar. The good thing about Australia is we get both north American and European trucks, and the 06 model scania we had at work until recently was leaps and bounds above a brand new north American truck.
@@HladniSjeverniVjetar I don't know about other american brands in Australia, but Kenworth has a factory in Australia where they build trucks for the australian market. that probably saves on shipping and other costs. And they also seem to have some models of Kenworth trucks in australia, that you can't get in the U.S. Like cab overs.
Maybe we just like to keep is simple. My 02 international will be pulling when all that electric shit is all corroded up and in a scrap yard. Creature comfort is for pussys. 😅
@@lbernau It's more than import, u can import for 5k, but u need diffrent lights (asimertic) and all red tape. Service network are also big part of import more than one exibithion model. Also Kenworth and Peterbilt are own by PACARD who own DAF, Navistar are own by VW who own Scania-Man, Fraightliner are owned by Daimler same as Mercedes They can localize truck for US but legislation is nightmare
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="337">5:37</a> wait, what? We had this when I got my truck license 37 years ago. The pinnacle of high tech I am sure.
After getting political within one minute you really missed the opportunity to mention Trumps dating strategy at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="85">1:25</a>
I may be wrong, but @<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="332">5:32</a>, I think those fall protection barriers were just for the show for health and safety reasons? You don’t normally see them on flatbeds here in the UK.
Chase, as you pointed to at the end; Driver Comfort is a big deal in Europe, there are a number of rules and regulations that ensure truck drivers and other road users are protected from having a bushed operator at the wheel of a 40 tonne vehicle. One of the main reasons people are enthusing about EV's is after a long journey they're not tired. The attention paid to NVH & reduction of Driver cognative load in your truck and retro-fit kits can mean the difference between a driver finishing a days work happy or exhausted.
The Hydrogen guy said the key thing though....retention....all workers deserve to have decent working conditions...otherwise people will work elsewhere.
@@dogsnads5634 If you believe that the rules and regulations were introduced for retention and not to force minimum acceptible conditions to prevent death or serious injury then I have a bridge to sell you 🙃
I'm confused... can you read this slowly? "It is not AMERCA" That's literally what you call the Western hemisphere, collectively both continents. Did you mean Murrica? ;-)
@@sickbozzer not according to Merriam-Webster - or any other dictionary. It mentions it that it is sometimes used that way, but it clearly states that it is first and foremost the continents. Besides, you missed the joke; this was about “Murrica!” :-)
You are stuck in tiny boxes the size of coffin ⚰️ . Nothing comfortable about Euro death traps. American truck have the same useless features but sleepers are 4-6 times more spacious.
I have never in my life cared about trucks. Im an artist in her 30s.... ive never even been in a truck. And i am OBSESSED with everything here. Fair play to Chace and the team. This is brilliant TV. Give him his own Discovery show. Now.
In 1997 my Volvo FH16 470 8*2 had full air suspension and fully air suspensioned cab and electric cab tilt. That's 27 years ago and it's so wierd that what we had back then as standard you guys still don't have. And I could lift axel 2 and 4.
You should have gone to Scandinavia where they have longer trailers and heavier loads allowed than in wider EU, as a result they are the masters of the steering trailers and of course home of Scania and Volvo.
So to make engine repairs, these cabovers need to fully articulate forward, which means everything in the sleeper needs to be secured/stowed. I like this - for service. I'm a service advisor, and some trucks are nasty. To avoid tons of junk flying all over the cab, the driver will need to keep the cab clean! Nice
I'd actually really love a comparison of northern european logging trucks vs north american logging trucks. I know Canada has much bigger mountains and much bigger trees, so the technical decisions of why stuff is built like it is would be cool to see.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="371">6:11</a> we in the Nordics run those all the time. You just line up your truck and back into the hitch (no backup cameras, who needs them 😂). Hear that clunk and got a green light on the dash, it's good to go
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="309">5:09</a> Wait until you see the logging cranes with VR goggles, you don't even have to get out of the cab to load up.
Most Americans are driving trucks far more modern than the ones you are thinking of . We have every thing shown in this video as an option as well . Companies went to conventionals as soon as the law allowed for workers comp reasons . A fall from a conventional is bad enough .
The 780 hp Volvo is really meant for Swedish and and Finnish markets, where we have a max weight of 74 and 76 metric tons respectively. That's about literally double the US 80,000 lbs. We up here in the Nordics scoff at the measly 44 tons the rest of Europe has, that's nearly as pathetic as the states. My current rig, Sweden, has a legal cargo weight of 47 tons.
Has it not gotten around to you yet that you are banning the import of trucks from other countries? Vehicles may only be imported if they are more than 20 years old.
@@Whknwswhknw myself? What do I have to do with scania not bringing trucks to the u.s.? Do I strike you as some sort of politician in charge that can change whatever it is that is keeping them from bringing trucks here at the snap of a finger? No? Okay I didn't think so. Maybe working how you word shit. I do not represent this government nor does this government represent me
@@gerhardma4297 import laws have little to do with anything. Those laws only apply to vehicles that are not built in or sold in the U.S. those laws are to keep vehicles not built and tested to U.S. standards. And I'm sure any tariffs and other fees and fines could probably be bypassed by just building a factory here. And or potentially doing a collaboration with existing companies here just to get their foot in the door.
Volvo, who also owns Mack, is already making an impression on the American truck market. If Scania decides to develop a long nose truck and sell it in NA, they will still be competing with Volvo who has had a presence in NA since the 90's. Also Scania is owned by the Volkswagen group, so whether they introduce Scania or their own truck brand MAN, would be interesting to see.
If you don't have fenders, no wonder why you in the NA have a lot more windshield shots and cracks than what is common here in Europe. We still get them of course, but it is less common here I believe, even if you drive an SUV with an upright windshield like a Land Rover Defender or Mercedes-Benz Gelender Wagen.. I noticed that Doug Demuro gave up on replacing his after changing his a couple of times in the first year or something... Edit: @<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="750">12:30</a> And if it's sprung up and down you would never get hung up on railroad crossings. Easy to implement would it also be. @<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1105">18:25</a> I believe the actual reason for the widening in the frame has more to do with the space needed for the V8 OM502 powertrain than the control electronics. Great video guys, funny and informative. As a former trucker, what you are trying to do is both exciting and interesting and inspiring. God bless you and lots of love from Norway.
@@grzegorzbienkowski649 It still might be designed for one though, they sell these all over the world and some countries might want this engine still..
Just look at the commercials for new Volvo VNL for American market. No European truck comes close in overall driver comfort. Airdynamics is better than any of the Euro cabovers And safety is much better with the engine protecting the driver. Those Euro supremacists who don't even drive trucks don't know anything about American trucking.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="651">10:51</a> I wish our towplows had that system when tires plow they take the fender with them and have to be un bolted
10 years? Any trucker I talked to said it's more like the US is 20 years behind. Why do you think they don't want scania to sell new trucks over there? They would take over the whole market in afew years.
