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Netflix's Three Body Problem: An Extremely In-Depth Review 

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Sorry this review is so late, and so fiendishly long. I didn't mean to yap for an entire hour, but, uh, I guess I just had a lot to say.
00:00 Spoiler-Free Thoughts
03:29 Ye Wenjie
09:55 Sponsor
11:25 General Thoughts on Other Characters
14:31 Auggie Salazar
16:12 Jin Cheng and Will Downing
19:28 Da Shi
21:51 Saul Durand
23:47 Thomas Wade
25:11 The Video Game is Better Now?
31:00 "Physics is Broken"
34:14 The Trouble with Sophons
40:14 Judgement Day (aka Operation Guzheng)
42:44 Other Random Critiques
44:35 Critiquing Other People's Critiques
50:44 Speculation (SPOILERS!)
53:26 Closing Thoughts
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@genericallyentertaining
@genericallyentertaining 24 дня назад
To learn more than ever from important non-fiction books, join me on Shortform: shortform.com/nathaniel. You'll get a five-day free trial and a discounted annual subscription. One of my favorite books on Shortform is Silent Spring by Rachel Carson.
@WorldConquerer2295
@WorldConquerer2295 22 дня назад
“…comes from string theory and so probably has no basis in real science.” BRUTAL
@hexPixelStarships
@hexPixelStarships 3 дня назад
Well, that's why it's called science fiction
@jessehughes8274
@jessehughes8274 24 дня назад
Short Form over here sponsoring your first long-form video? That's rich. Congrats, my dude.
@amirhamza8924
@amirhamza8924 24 дня назад
I vastly prefer the Tencent version, but man, the decision to bring up the Death's End section to straighten out the timeline and its setup and the foreshadowings that came with it have been really well done. I think they've overdone a lot of the character related stuff but Will's part was absolutely phenomenal imo. Best depiction of the "You're special to me and I know I'm not that special to you but that doesn't make you any less special to me and I'd do anything for you but won't express my feelings cause I think you'll be happier that way" feeling I've ever seen on screen
@genericallyentertaining
@genericallyentertaining 24 дня назад
I agree, that plotline in particular was what made the show go from "Eh, this was fun, but I couldn't really get past the flaws," to, "Wow, I actually really enjoyed that!" Still not a perfect show overall, but I'm disappointed that I haven't seen too many people praising the Will/Jin stuff. They're really taking full advantage of the foreshadowing potential and I'm all for it.
@edumazieri
@edumazieri 22 дня назад
@@genericallyentertaining I agree it should be praised, it definitely worked much better. But I guess the author couldn't simply go back in time and change the first books, while the writers of the adaptation have the privilege of knowing it all :P
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
I'm the opposite I had tons of problems with Tencent 30 episodes that drag on and on. Chinese censorship Changing Ye backstory with her father. Explaining things over and over again and then making tou watch flashbacks of the same scenes. Lots of sides characters to fill runtime. I liked some of it but I had a lot of issues with it. It also was filmed like a commercial imo
@eden20111
@eden20111 17 дней назад
Completely agree! However I really enjoyed the Netflix version just as much as the Tenecent version. I love how they decided to make the characters friends with each other. It will make their transition into the future more impactful. Especially if they do the scene where Jin reunites with Saul in the Deterrence center. That's gonna be hard to watch.
@zaviear
@zaviear 4 дня назад
Well i prefer the Minecraft version
@michaelnewsham1412
@michaelnewsham1412 24 дня назад
The "universe winking" is great in that later scene when Saul is talking to Ye Wenjie and explains that even though people all over the world saw it, it had to be an illusion, one of the first hints that humans are not helpless in the face of the Trisolarians.
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
Not helpless? To me "had to be an illusion" means that humans are largely incredulous ... not resilient
@bigusdicus9004
@bigusdicus9004 12 дней назад
Well you have the right spirit 😂​@@6Churches
@elenabob4953
@elenabob4953 14 часов назад
That was a facepalm moment. Universe blinking for everyone defies the purpose of what it was supposed to be shown and the meaning behind it. But hey, we are in the west so let's throw the Science out of the window because our dumbed down public will get hired and we aren't capable of explaining it in a comprehensive manner anyway.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 5 часов назад
@elenabob4953 it wasn't scientifically accurate but I found it very creepy and thought it worked well instead of having Wang running back and forth with goggles on freaking out with bad acting.
@shApYT
@shApYT 21 день назад
TV Show runners just don't have the balls to respect the viewers' intellect.
@danielsjohnson
@danielsjohnson 17 дней назад
Maybe they were afraid of getting the reception "Tenet" got. Which wasn't as confusing as some people made it out to be.
@shApYT
@shApYT 17 дней назад
@@danielsjohnson that's why I respect Nolan. He doesn't give a fuck.
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 16 дней назад
I've heard that designing a bear proof trash can is incredibly difficult due to the fact that there is a significant overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest human.
@edumazieri
@edumazieri 22 дня назад
The "physics is broken" part, I agree with you that their actions might have been a bit exaggerated, but it's not just "because experiments are giving random results" - The Turkey story that is in the books and adapted in the Tencent version actually gives some insight into that: The reason for their despair was the possibility that there is NO WAY to understand what is actually going on in the universe. They felt like they were like those turkeys, that even the best of turkey science could never predict that they're actually just being bred for slaughter. It does make sense for a passionate scientist to feel some level of despair at that prospect. In fact it's one of the most memorable things about the book for me. The adaptations' straight up just muder a bunch of scientist is way less imaginative and boring... and also probably wouldn't work very well, science is a huge collaborative effort, they would have to murder a LOT more people for generations, hurting their chances of achieving their desired state of conquest.
@Stillnothereanymore
@Stillnothereanymore 21 день назад
Agreed -- the horror and despair is coming from the possibility that science as a concept itself does not work in the universe, and that the mechanisms of physics might be either random or fundamentally unknowable for humans. The depth of emotion that arises in this context makes sense for scientists, something that the books and Tencent adaptation understood, and I felt the Netflix show did not really care about. A related idea forms the premise of Ted Chiang's short story "Division by Zero" for example.
@edumazieri
@edumazieri 21 день назад
@@Stillnothereanymore In general, and the video also comments on that at the beginning, the adaptation from netflix fails to capture this scientific, even if fantastical, outlook that the book relies on to tell its' story.
@morrigannibairseach1211
@morrigannibairseach1211 18 дней назад
Not to mention that it wasnt just random results it was the breaking of causality. Seeing that someone else got your random results before you ever did the experimemt must be spirit breaking especially when you bring in the pool analogies; ie does it matter where the pool table is to the result? Its a fundamental break in our ability to understand. Some greater power is actively fucking with you. The question is: is it a farmer or a bored sharpshooter? The book and tencent version also go in about this. It wasnt just how broken science was. It was that there was an alien worshipping cult presenting you with a false dichotomy as truth under the guise of religion. Their god gave them your random science experiment result before you did you experiment. Their god makes cosmic background radiation flicker. Imagine some young earth creationist prays and makes the universe flicker. That would be soul crushing. And all the while they are talking about how we don't deserve to live or the garden we live in. And using your answer of whether its a farmer or sharpshooter to help decide where to guide you or to eliminate you. To have a constant countdown projected onto your eyes that defies all known science.
@leonardorossi998
@leonardorossi998 6 дней назад
@@Stillnothereanymore The notion that at that level of scale and energy the world is so random would still fail to explain why the world is so consistent at the macroscale. So even then I'd say high energy physics would still have plenty of avenues of exploration. Even just in trying to explain why experiments now are inconsistent with older ones.
@Wrijvingsloos
@Wrijvingsloos 23 дня назад
I thought the suicides were because other Scientist were seeing countdowns, or things like that too. That kind of psychological horror would do awful things to people
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
Yeah - I still don't have a clear grasp on what was causing the countdown - and whether it was happening to multiple people at once, or only one at a time
@randallte2556
@randallte2556 20 дней назад
​@@6Churches It would be the sophons wiggling inside their eyeballs creating the hallucination. Sophons are just protons, so they would produce electromagnetic radiation (light) when they accelerate.
@6Churches
@6Churches 20 дней назад
@@randallte2556 Wade can hear the Sword Lady speaking as if she were standing in front of him - this is a multi-modality hallucination
@randallte2556
@randallte2556 20 дней назад
@@6Churches that is a good point which breaks the physical rules of sophon tech. They are powerful enough to accelerate to near light speed while being remote controlled light-years away via quantum entanglement bs, but limited to only producing light. They cannot physically interact with anything in an OP way, like producing sound, pushing objects, or cutting things. The manipulation of electronics is also something that may not be a physically accurate sophon power, would need to consult a better physicist. Although if you allow for this, maybe we can say they used an electronic device to produce the audio. I don't remember auditory hallucinations or electronics manipulation occuring in the books, so I think just the show gets it wrong there.
@6Churches
@6Churches 20 дней назад
@@randallte2556 thanks man. You're not responsible, it's D&D being sloppy show runners
@Multilipstik
@Multilipstik 4 дня назад
41:45 I do have to say that I think that’s the point of that scene. We’re put in Auggies place, she doesn’t really know what’s on that ship either. She’s just letting military use her equipment. And then she gets into those ruins and personally experiences how her choice killed hundreds of innocent children. It’s supposed to be unexpected and gory.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
So in an interview the creators said they're doind just the three books. They dont have any intention of doing the fourth and they said Netflix doesn’t even own the rights to that one anyway. Another interesting tidbit they dropped was they said under the contract they signed with the three body rights holders they were "only allowed " to do the Chinese parts in the past and modern day had to take place somewhere else. Apparently the Chinese rights holders wanted another version to be set more in the west
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 16 дней назад
You mean Tencent/(likely) The CCP
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 15 дней назад
@Hurricayne92 so they signed a contract with the Chinese rights holders and they didn't go into detail what it all said only that they were only allowed a certain amount the take place in China
@didyoutakemykombucha8336
@didyoutakemykombucha8336 6 дней назад
"They dont have any intention of doing the fourth and they said Netflix doesn’t even own the rights to that one anyway." LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 4 дня назад
@@didyoutakemykombucha8336 lol I had a sigh of relief when they said that also
@oscarnilsson1969
@oscarnilsson1969 24 дня назад
I think the random results is way more demoralizing than you make it out to be. At first I'm sure the scientists were excited to discover what was going on but you cannot fit any model to random noise so eventually they would lose hope in the field. I agree that it being like an epidemic felt very exaggerated but it's pretty devastating to have your entire field of study disappear after investing a good part of your life into it.
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
Yes. It makes publishing now impossible because all results are non-significant and also non-repeatable - making you look like all you have is noise, randomness and bias
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 16 дней назад
I mean its heavily implied in the show that all the scientists (except Vera) were affected by the same thing as Auggie, hence the eyes being scratched out.
@6Churches
@6Churches 16 дней назад
@@Hurricayne92 But how plausible is that? We see through Augie's eyes and she doesn't become s___cidal . Scientists would be curious about the phenomena
@DoctorBoson
@DoctorBoson 18 дней назад
To echo a couple other comments, the "physics is broken" thing goes deeper than random results. (To an extent, randomness is expected in quantum physics anyways so it's not like that's a new thing.) Not that the show does a good job of portraying the nuances there-I had the same gut reaction of "new physics? Scientists would eat this up"-but on reflection I don't think the *concept* is unreasonable. The issue isn't that the understanding of physics was broken, it's that the *process* of science was being broken. Sure, you get weird results on an experiment, publish a paper... Now what? There's no way to achieve peer review because nothing is replicable (because it's being sabotaged). You have a flood of nonsense papers that are never used for anything, because they can't be. There's no underlying law or pattern to identify, so any attempts lead to running in circles. Lack of progress and meaningful outcomes leads to defunding, eventually, for the entire field-particle accelerators ain't cheap. In the face of that species of obsolescence, I can absolutely see utter despair overtake an alarming number of scientists. I don't know that it singularly kills all the top scientists-that may be a projection of Eastern honor and work culture to the rest of the world-but the morale hit would certainly be meaningful at the least. Other methods could also make up the difference too (countdown vision to undermine self-confidence, or just straight up murder as you said).
@6Churches
@6Churches 16 дней назад
Exactly - and this would be a far more interesting drama to explore through Augie rather than the sensationalised numbers-countdown she gets (plus the Tatiana interlude and the sky blinking). If scientists cannot publish, then grants cannot be granted, tens of thousands of researchers lose their livelihoods and perhaps even their homes if they can't find new work. With Augie we just a sense she has such formidable independent wealth ... and this waters it all down, she never actually experiences desperation - nor does the show really explore the torment of being discredited
@jahipalmer8782
@jahipalmer8782 20 дней назад
It also seems like they are having Auggie take on some of the characteristics (and role) of AA from Death's End. We'll have to wait til later seasons to see for sure but I think that is what they're doing.
@21kaduku
@21kaduku 3 дня назад
19:40 - When I found out Benedict Wong would play Da Shi, I was pretty happy because he's who I imagined in that role when I was reading.
@TheChronozoan
@TheChronozoan 24 дня назад
I haven't yet started the video, but I have to say I am overjoyed to see more long-form content on your channel! Not that I don't enjoy all of your content, but long form is my favorite. Alright let's gooooooo
@genericallyentertaining
@genericallyentertaining 24 дня назад
Thanks, I want to do more long form videos, but I keep putting them off! Lately, I've only been doing one long-form video every two months or so, which is horrible. Will try to get the next one out quicker.
@alphaxneo
@alphaxneo День назад
As someone who has neither read the original book nor the Chinese live action adaptation, I went into this show without any expectations. Some of it I liked, some of it just seemed kinda off or rushed. However some things really stood out to me, and by far the best (and most heartbreaking) was the exceptional writing and acting around Will/Jin: They both play it so genuine, I was legit sobbing in that one episode. I also think they truly thought about how Will would feel as his condition worsens. As someone who is chronically ill with a condition that may or may not at some point in my life deteriorate my body rapidly without warning, I resonated a lot with Will and his musings about his life and decisions. Heart wrenching, but in a good way. But then, the scene that truly broke me was the one where Jin asks for the seeds to be included, subsequently seeing it all fall apart and (presumably) being told that those seeds were the crucial tipping point. And to her it's not only a failure to succeed in a mission, it was a failure towards her last tether to Will. Honestly, superb writing that just twists the knife so well. As for Auggie's scene, I can see your point that this one went too far the other way with the kids. But at the same time I think it was a good example of how, even when trying to persuade ourselves that we're doing it for the right reasons, we can cause harm to whom we least expect and that more often than not "the enemy" is not one homogenous group of bad people and I think it solidifies Auggie's conviction to repent in any way she can. To which I gotta say that another scene that I just LOVED was her publishing her work and basically make the patent obsolete. Gating stuff behind patents that disproportionally hit marginalized people/areas has long been an issue and for her to just rip it away and make it accessible to everyone? Just beautiful. On a lighter and pettier note, I honestly enjoyed the scene with Auggie and Jin at the bar at the start. I know how many say it's more tell than show, that it gives off the image of scientist superior - you are a pleb - but at the same time, I've seen so many women (myself included) just minding their own business wanting to chat, just to be interrupted for no reason and therefore getting rebuffed like that, gave me joy :')
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 День назад
My sister when that scene came on said "so many rude guys have done that to me before at a bar" lol
@rue2838
@rue2838 24 дня назад
The imaginary girlfriend part in the book was really weird but something about it worked for me and I felt connected to it in a weird way. Im glad they cut it though, the plot point would not have worked in the show at all. Edit: I will defend Redemption of Time. It isnt perfect, and has plenty of issues, and some of the characterization seems a tad bit off, however it feels like a love letter to A Remembrance of Earths Past. One that got the attention of the original creator. I dont think of it as cannon though, but it does explore some interesting ideas.
@kleko
@kleko 24 дня назад
I read RoT in one or two sittings and the only thing I remember thinking was how it was just a long string of Cheng Xin stepping on the same rake named "don't let your womanly love steer your choices". I did however love the imaginary girlfriend plot in the second book. It was the one redeeming thing about Luo Ji.
@rue2838
@rue2838 24 дня назад
@@kleko lmao the thing about RoT definitely feels accurate.
@SnowOfAllTrades
@SnowOfAllTrades 15 дней назад
In general, I agree with most of your points, though of course not all. One thing that stands out to me is your comment about foreshadowing the paper boat and fairy tales: I assumed that was exactly the point of it in the book. She only knows to look deeper into his fairy tales for hidden messages BECAUSE she knows it's a lie, which implies that there is a different reason for him to tell them to her. If they truly had shared fairy tales as children, there would have been a reasonable chance she would have just accepted it as a sort of fulfillment of an emotional wish to relive that. Only because it was such an obvious lie did it work to get his true message across with 100% certainty!
@maxsilva11
@maxsilva11 23 дня назад
So many people miss out on the point of the first bar scene. It's not meant to show them as smart yet cold and unable to connect to people. It's meant as a counterpoint to the Cultural Revolution: even in a free society, humans are shitty to each other - like the guy who goes up to hit on them when they are clearly not interested, does not get the hint that they aren't there to meet people (they're there to catch up because it used to be their chill hangout spot), and then was clearly about to make some very sexist assumptions about what they do for work. Maybe you've never been hit on by someone who doesn't take no for an answer and demeans you, but I think that scene resonates for many, many women. And it's not just some kind of "men bad" feminism either - the first intro we get to that scene is an embarrassingly un-self-aware woman singing, and then either she or another woman (i forget which) really gets up in their personal space when she picks up her drinks at the bar. I'd even go so far as to say that it's foreshadowing for (or reference to) the critique of overly indulgent utopian societies post calamity in the second book.
@changdemi514
@changdemi514 15 дней назад
The reason it bothered me that Auggie looked like a super model is that she (actress) had no other qualities that justifies Netflix's choice of hiring her. None of the other characters look especially pretty, regardless of their jobs, so seemed like Netflix really wanted her character to stand out from the rest. I think the fact that the "lead female" has to look like a super model is more misogynist. Also her acting / the writing was not convincing me that she is a scientist, it just looks like Auggie is trying very hard to act smart. It seemed to me like Netflix choose her because they wanted a pretty lead female instead of a actress/actor more fitting for the roll. This is not saying a scientist can't look like a super models, its simply saying you still need to be a good actress regardless of your looks. also saying that the character is meant to be unlikable is just an excuse. You can still be a good actor/actress and have good writing even for characters that are meant to be "unlikable".
@changdemi514
@changdemi514 15 дней назад
yeah like Wade is exactly a character that is meant to not be liked but was done well.
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
​@@changdemi514 yes and also in the books wade was stressed out, sleep deprived, desperate, hopeless, he really felt like he was on his last leg, and Auggie doesn't really get that across for me, and i think part of it is that she always looks like a team of people spent hours on her hair, makeup, and outfit. her friends are being killed and she's seeing a countdown in the corner of her vision while mysterious strangers tell her to stop her work and always looks like she could be on the cover of a fashion magazine
@peaceofcrap
@peaceofcrap 24 дня назад
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@taylorsublett5710
@taylorsublett5710 17 дней назад
I loved the 4th book! It's definitely worth checking out. A very thoughtful nerd put it together, someone who was obviously obsessed with the original trilogy
@longboy5639
@longboy5639 24 дня назад
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@riley8939
@riley8939 3 дня назад
The mental seal is The important catalyst for the government to awaken Baihai/Raj and give him command of a ship. But it can honestly just be introduced by a random scientist and then debated for the same effect while saving time. However, I am going to miss Bill's wall breaker reveal.
@RofoTheGyrm
@RofoTheGyrm 24 дня назад
I like your overall point about what the writers were going for having all main characters be life long friends with each other. Ultimately I feel like it's an odd element to try to bring into a story that's about all of these different people from around the world drawing on human experiences to try to understand these greater concepts. I think back to the Trisolarans using historical scientists to relate their own problems, or the Aboriginal man in Australia in the 3rd book relating the experience of being colonized. I think that theme is kinda at odds with this whole "dynamic group of friends" they've all put together, and I hope it focuses more on splitting them all apart rather than having them share another AirBnB by the beach again lol.
@owenelliott5742
@owenelliott5742 24 дня назад
The Minecraft version is goated
@magnusbeacon
@magnusbeacon 24 дня назад
As someone who read The redemption of time, the themes and concepts it dwells in are endlessly fascinating and on par with the original trilogy. However, its treatment of previous characters are arguably lackluster, but as someone mostly invested in the big ideas I remained hooked throughout the end.
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 16 дней назад
33:30 the self offing we see at the start of the show has nothing to do with the science but the San'Ti/Trisolarans are still involved.
@LydiosVidias
@LydiosVidias 22 дня назад
I just finished the series and except for the scientist who jumped into the accelerator, I didn’t think any of the others were caused by despair over science. (And even then, I thought maybe she had a countdown.) It seemed more like they were going insane from the countdown/the countdown being the literal cause. Maybe even whatever they were shown after the countdown. If there were scientists that died unrelated to the countdowns, that detail was completely lost on me.
@island_dancer
@island_dancer 15 дней назад
In the books the scientist suicides remain a mystery, even after the revelation of Sophon. One plausible theory is some grew deranged from the visual hallucinations of Sophon. Others may have become despondent at the failure of their research (through Sophon's interference). Another plausible theory is some had suicide "happen to them" - that is, they were assassinated by ETO members and their deaths made to look like suicides. In the show, ETO is not named and its organisational structure has been greatly simplified. In the books, ETO is a deeply divided, deeply dysfunctional organisation. It has many smaller factions within itself like Frontiers of Science, which tries to recruit scientists like Wang Maio (roughly Jin/Auggie) to solve three body problems. These ETO splinter factions broadly fall into 3 opposing schools of thought - Adventism, Redemptionism and Survivalism. Frontiers of Science is a Redemptionist faction. They don't want the Trisolarans (San-ti) to invade earth but do want to co-operate with them by solving each other's problems. The Adventists think humanity is the author of its own demise and cannot help but destroy the natural world. The Adventists are opposed to the Redemptionists because if they succeed in their mission to solve the three body problem, they believe the Trisolarans wont need to invade earth and the natural world will die at our own hands. The book characters Pan Han and Mike Evans are Adventists. The Survivalists intend to sell everyone out to ensure their own survival in whatever new world emerges post human/trisolaran contact. They are thought of as cowards and everyone hates them. They all have conflicting goals and they all have extremist elements that sabotage, terrorize and murder each other. Shit gets crazy. In the show, ETO is depicted like a cult with singular vision and purpose. In the books, ETO is depicted as all of Ye Wenjie and Mike Evans's inner conflict and doubt made real. It shows how the road to hell is paved with good intentions. That even the most enlightened thinkers are not above dogmatism and when they are given over to extremist thinking, the ends will justify the dirtiest means.
@MissFazzington
@MissFazzington 24 дня назад
Amazing video 🙏 Now let's watch it
@exp-channel0
@exp-channel0 24 дня назад
I was waiting for this!! Will watch it later tonight
@fritzhanszirkel4185
@fritzhanszirkel4185 24 дня назад
I really liked the Netflix show, I feel like a lot of the changes worked really well and I'm excited for season 2
@wokeaf1242
@wokeaf1242 2 дня назад
I think you got the suicide plot in the Netflix series wrong, and this is just how I saw it. Okay, the Tri-Solarins have demonstrated the ability to manipulate human environment. With the visors, what they did the Auggie and how they went full comic book villain with Thomas Wade. The scientist who jump in the 1st episode was the daughter of Ye Wenjie who discovered her mother's real plan and probably understood what the Tri-Solarins wanted all along. With Auggie they just straight up threatened her but she couldn't tell her friends she was seeing a countdown clock before her eyes because that sound like mental issues. And we all remember the scenes when they confronted Thomas Wade. So what they told me is that maybe a lot of physics principals being upturned could have been upsetting but the Tri-Solarins were also applying other pressures to push them in that direction. I don't think the show was clear on the Tri-Solarin;'s motivations for wanting the scientist dead, I don't remember them referencing it. (I could be wrong, I only watched it twice.) My impression from everything in the Netflix series was that the Tri-Solarin's pushed them to it. And I realize that I am colored because I have read the books - and hated all the science theory in it, especially The Dark Forest which was so colonialist European in it's thinking I kept trying to make sure the author was actually a native from China - and I knew their motivation for wanting scientist gone before they arrived.
@slantedglasses7242
@slantedglasses7242 2 дня назад
I really love Luo Ji imaginary girlfriend plot from the book. But I agree, it only works in a written story.
@owenbrandon8370
@owenbrandon8370 24 дня назад
I've got a bunch of games downloading. What a great way to pass the time!
@heitormarcolino2193
@heitormarcolino2193 24 дня назад
Thanks!♡
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 24 дня назад
Darnit, I STILL have to read these books!
@oonmm
@oonmm 22 дня назад
No bro, there are already a TV series. Why waste time doing something so primitive as reading a book when there's a film/TV series already based on it? A book will just be the first draft of any story, film makers can develop and fully realize a story when adapting it. Also remember that any book worth reading will be adapted for the screen, so the smart thing to do is just to wait till that happens instead of potentially reading a bad book. I'm not saying that every single film based on a book will be good though, as sometimes a film maker will choose to adapt a bad book without being able to fix the story - this is what happened to The Hobbit film trilogy for example.
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 22 дня назад
@@oonmm Good grief, I hope this is some sort of joke/parody. There are both poorly done books and poorly done movies. They are two separate things. But reading is not "primitive." It's the foundation of a society. It's not "the first draft" and then the story is the real thing or the finished thing. Unbelievable.
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
​@@oonmm lol quality b8
@jameswalters3571
@jameswalters3571 4 дня назад
Only a scientist would think that scientists are nice people lol
@lidu6363
@lidu6363 21 день назад
I enjoyed it, so that's enough for me to say that it didn't suck 🥰 Excited to hear your take though!
@everrit
@everrit 20 дней назад
Love the ' it's not the end of world'. Definitely going to watch more of the Chinese show now, have read the all the books and you do a great comparison. Thank you.
@justaramdomwanderer2490
@justaramdomwanderer2490 15 дней назад
regarding the idea of a photon being an entire civilization, there's an animated film called "Horton hears a who!" i recommend to watch. its story has a similar idea and made a deep impression on me.
@justaramdomwanderer2490
@justaramdomwanderer2490 15 дней назад
and it's apparently based on a Dr. Seuss story!
@t.k.1319
@t.k.1319 20 дней назад
Amazon dropped the ball by not getting dubbed versions of the Tencent Adaptation in several languages.
@JJWolford
@JJWolford 12 дней назад
This doesn't have to do with anything, but I just want to say that when I first had heard of the title of the show, I thought that it was a murder mystery about finding three "odd" bodies.
@celine_2084
@celine_2084 24 дня назад
about the "physics is broken" plot line, my take is that the in the book it is more philosophical. because the data are random, the cause-effect logical chain for human being to understand the world is broken. and that is the philosophical basis of physics and science.
@genericallyentertaining
@genericallyentertaining 24 дня назад
Yeah, I understand this, but I would still argue that most physicists don't think about their work purely from a philosophical perspective. After all, physicists have been debating the implications of quantum mechanics for a hundred years, but we're no closer to a deep philosophical explanation for that theory. Not to say that philosophy of science isn't a huge and important topic, but there's a reason physicists say "Shut up and calculate," regarding quantum mechanics: at a certain point, you just have to accept the experimental results and work backwards from there, even if the results don't immediately appear to follow the law of cause and effect or contradict all your philosophical notions. And anyway, how could you conclusively prove that "the data are random?" From a physicist's perspective, there could very easily be factors influencing the experiments that you're not aware of - and indeed, there are, since the interference is caused by sophons - and it would then be your job to find these unknown factors. The law of cause and effect is something that can be reasoned out a priori, not something that can be disproven experimentally, and I think physicists in this case would hold true to it while spending however many years it takes to figure out what is causing the interference. Wow, this turned into a long comment. But anyway, those are just my thoughts.
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 24 дня назад
​@@genericallyentertaining Yeah, that is one thing I find ridiculous from the book and the Tencent series, tho it sounds scary, no physicist in real world would actually ended their life when they found out physics doesn't exist, it would excited them. Yang Dong was a special case. Perhaps those who killed themselves were driven into serious existential crisis by sophon similar to Wang Miao's case but we never know. In the Tencent series the other two scientists other than Yang Dong that shown off-ed themselves seems to portrayed as they have strong belief in current science almost religously. However the Tencent series did mentioned on how different scientist react to the crisis and how those who didn't ended up killing themselves were either ended up joining ETO or killed by ETO disguised as suicide or incident, we were shown in some scene that Shen Yufei and Pan Han taking orders to "get rid of" Wang Miao from ETO's higher up, so probably not all suicide case were actually suicide case. The Netflix series also brought up similar plot with a scientist found "drowned" himself in a bathtub and the murder of Jack. One thing I find kinda dumb in the Netflix series is why sophon only removing the killer from CCTV footage but not the whole killing intead? Or the scene when Tatiana lit a cigarate for Auggie but the CCTV footage only shown the cigarate lit up itself. Wouldn't it made more sense if they just altered the CCTV footage by removing everyone? It would left more mystery to the authority and Auggie would suffers more serious crisis because there's no evidence of her meeting Tatiana therefore she couldn't talks to anyone without her sounding like she's making things up.
@coloboquito
@coloboquito 24 дня назад
​​​@@genericallyentertainingtheoretical physicists do think about philosophy. At least the good ones should At the philosophical level at the foundation of all of the theoretical physics are invariants and simmetries. The basis of physics shouldn't depend on your location and time. If this doesn't hold you basically have no way to repeat the experiment so there's no way to check the results. This basically cripples science, because it's based on reproducibility of experiments
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
@@genericallyentertaining It would have been nice to see some of this show's incredible budget go to paying for real life popular physicists ... Michelle Thaller, Neil DT, Micchio and Brian Cox all arguing on the set of a talk show to underscore the colossal, global impact and catastrophe of this and the arguments that now erupt in the public sphere about the collapse of physics
@squirrel_slapper
@squirrel_slapper 19 дней назад
I think it would be better if the explanation was that the sophons were directly flashing messages into the eyes of scientists to coerce them to commit suacede. Lil microscopic LowTierGod.
@ivy4360
@ivy4360 17 дней назад
I think the problem for us non western viewers is that this a story written from a Chinese perspective and have all of the nuances and traditions of the characters ripped out and pasted to London is a really lazy way to adapt a novel from another culture. Fellow youtuber AvenueX did a really well deep dive into a Chinese perspective of the Netflix three body problem why it wasn't well received within China. I really didn't like how they race swapped important characters to westerners in a age when we lack good Asian representations. Netflix turned Ye Wenjie from this nuanced but strong willed women into this angry and spiteful villain, turned Da shi from this down to earth cunning cop to this random bodyguard with no personality, and race swapped positive Chinese characters like Luoji and Zhangbeihai. It just feels incredibly disrespectful as they turned this beloved Chinese epic into a generic hollywood popcornflix. I think there is a clash in values between western audiences and the Chinese perspective of the original trilogy that the screen writers unfortunately didn't try to bridge.
@VerminaeSupremacy
@VerminaeSupremacy 16 дней назад
YES, CHEESUS FRIED CRUST, YES!
@slatealan7082
@slatealan7082 15 дней назад
is not just race swap, the whole vibe are just... gone. might be a culture thing, there's a lot of characteristic gone and does not feel right. While foreigner had no problem watching. For example, in original book, it gave a feeling of everyone in the world are doing their part. But in netflix they making every character know each other, it given a dorm friends go haha and rescue world vibe. The scale are shrunken really fast. And Also too many ooc. Things like Ye Wen Jie bang someone who met in few day is just unimaginable. I mean do banging really something hard require for netflix series?
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 15 дней назад
@slatealan7082 I have to disagree the first book is also pretty isolated to mostly just China and a small amount of characters also. The second book is really when it expands and the creators of the Netflix show said the second season is absolutely going to expand more I actually think the show did a really good job. My gripe with the books is they have great ideas but most of the characters are so dull and thinly written and lack almost any human emotions. I like that they gave the characters some human emotions and brought some in earlier so have it connect better on the later seasons. I liked some of Tencent but I had a lot of issues with the pacing and explaining things over and over again and they flashbacks to the same scene we already watched again along with some Chinese censorship also didn't help it imo. I actually think the did a really good job with Ye with the short amount of time they had. Apparently the creators said under the contract they signed with the Chinese rights holders they were only allowed a certain amount to be set in China. I completely disagree with her video and she seemed to do zero research about how the Chinese rights holders wanted a western version. Imo Netflix is the better show than Tencent
@Roachh2877
@Roachh2877 14 дней назад
​@@jeffbachman2949 So many problems people have with Netflix's casting will be understood if they all knew about the contract
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 14 дней назад
@Roachh2877 and that the Chinese rights holders wanted a western version but that would require doing some actual research
@dimitriradoux
@dimitriradoux 20 дней назад
Yes it did
@Yetersiz_Bakiye_Kulubu
@Yetersiz_Bakiye_Kulubu День назад
Hey man, nice video. However, I must say, I completely disagree with your take about that flickering star illusion. Light pollution in big cities part is true and it hurts my suspension of disbelief too, however, an entire sky blinking out of nowhere is literally a cosmic horror show. Starting from simulation theory, it either implies there might be something between us and the starts that cuts all the vision or the literal lights of the universe went out for a second. Consider this, I am a nitpicker too and didn't know anything about the books and didn't know what to expect. It was quite exciting to speculate what it could be (as the show has a serious science fiction setting) until they explained it. Note: I just watch the season last month and gave it a solid 7 out of 10
@yrrep27
@yrrep27 24 дня назад
Ah, perfect. Now I can stop thinking about maybe watching this show.
@AtaraxianWist
@AtaraxianWist 24 дня назад
I'll come back and watch this one I've read the books and seen the show.
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
i'll wait.
@nazimelmardi
@nazimelmardi 20 дней назад
You are right in the representation of the game. Yet the shortcut of the science itself is the problem with it. I read these books like 5 times now? and never found it boring or the game part annoying. But immediately noticed that Netflix’s show (again) thinks that the audience is dumb. Not just here. They simplify everything. As you said, there is no opposition in the traitors. The behavior of the scientists is really bad. And of course they had to look good. No, you are not right, this super model look was really outstanding. I’m not the one who jump on this but as Doctor House said: he hired Alison for her looks. 😁Elisode 1 season 1… As for the cut out of the Chinese part is one of the biggest mistakes. It’s one essential aspect of the book and that could give 1/3 of the season- we didn’t need the second book yet. It’s incredibly important and I just watched and didn’t understand why they did that first.. then I saw the full twist to a western style story. Of course Netflix had to do that too. This book is Chinese, period. The behavior of the characters (being badly portrayed or not) is typical Asian, not western how they react. There is no hope or at least not that big as usual, this book as Merphy Napier says a sci-fi horror. I would not say that but her emotional reaction is this and she is not really wrong.
@gosnooky
@gosnooky 19 дней назад
Spoilers... . . . . . I think the choice to put Auggie as the Ding Yi character is the best option, but perhaps not as Ding Yi. Ding is a physicist and Auggie doesn't have the same qualifications. If they can find a way to work her into the scene it would work well, and would also allow Saul/Luo Ji to become Swordholder without the baggage of a wife and kid, who don't have any future relevance to the plot as a whole. It also does not make sense to have Auggie as AA. AA is Cheng/Jin's expositional bridge to the future. However, this brings up consequences for the ending. If there is no Auggie, or if Auggie is stuck with Will on Planet Blue (AA and Yun), then who is with Cheng/Jin while they discover the death lines? Raj/Zhang? That would require him to survive the battle of darkness. This would end with Jin and Raj together in the pocket universe while Will and Auggie (or whoever plays AA) stranded on Planet Blue... all this kind of works together nicely with the actual ending where Cheng/Jin and Will/Yun never reconcile their true feelings, and gives the goldfish scene massive weight.
@taylorsublett5710
@taylorsublett5710 17 дней назад
TV shows are much better at adapting books, IMO, to better and worse effect depending on the adaptation. I can't imagine how terrible a 3PB movie would be. Way too short a format. Great video! 😃
@tright6
@tright6 24 дня назад
Honestly I liked it at the start but the ending kind of felt drawn out and kind of dissapointing
@TheChronozoan
@TheChronozoan 24 дня назад
I think this is going to be one of the shows that is excellent once it has all of its parts. This book series really needs each of its parts to function as a whole, and I don't mean that as a bad thing by any means. It is a very measured and well structured literary pie.
@fingerfeller
@fingerfeller 2 часа назад
great review thanks, i have seen both tv versions and read the books, i agree the chinese version is better than netflix even though i have to read subtitles, cant wait for season 2 and cant wait for season 3 of wheel of time and rings of power but they can keep the acolyte
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 24 дня назад
I was very pleasantly surprised by the Netflix adaptation and happy that they seem to be ready to complete the story. The Tencent adaptation is immersive once you've adjusted to its glacial pace but I doubt I'd have been interested if I hadn't already known the story.
@PinkPenguinMovie
@PinkPenguinMovie 15 дней назад
Auggie is irredeemable. She walked into her company's cleanroom without gowning.
@charlmane1995
@charlmane1995 6 дней назад
your chinese pronounciations are really good
@BelindaShort
@BelindaShort 24 дня назад
Yeah that scene with the nanomaterials really upset me.I wasn't ready to see all those kids dying and I had an anxiety attack after
@tiefensucht
@tiefensucht 22 дня назад
..and there was zero reason to do this. All just for the "cool" effect.
@danielnigel6920
@danielnigel6920 4 дня назад
Yes
@TRYCLOPS1
@TRYCLOPS1 5 дней назад
Yes. It sucked. Can’t wait for season 2 of the Chinese version 🤷‍♂️
@Great_communistic_soldier
@Great_communistic_soldier День назад
我不确实是不是翻译的问题,但是刘慈欣对书中的内容很严谨,很多科学家的“自杀”是来自于降临派的杰作
@EgonCom
@EgonCom 17 дней назад
Having models pretending to be top scientist just broke my immersion to much. Shredding and mixing character's stories didn't help. 15:17 - oh fuck off.
@fingerfeller
@fingerfeller 2 часа назад
great review, thanks, i also enjoyed all 3 adaptations up to date, and the books being my fav, and i agree the chinese adaptation is better than the netflix version even though i have to read subtitles , cant wait for season 2 of both versions , and cant wait for season 3 of wheel of time, cant wait for rings of power either, but i will not be watching a second season of the acolyte except to see just how bad it is, its the only reason i sat through season 1, and it was maddening , insulting.
@changdemi514
@changdemi514 15 дней назад
The music sounds like they tried to copy Succession and Westworld.
@yootoobvyooer
@yootoobvyooer 12 дней назад
China still has dowry for women. Written under that culture, I can't see any misogyny. Rather, it's revolutionary in equality.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
I loved this show as a book reader i think they did a good job
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 18 дней назад
Im a book fan and I read the books many times and I think they did a mediocre job
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
@@tsukasa1608 and I read the books and think they did a good job
@kennydolby1379
@kennydolby1379 18 дней назад
NF adaptation wasnt so bad. Liam Cunningham & Benedict Wong are playing their part perfectly, the visuals are very good, Sophona is waifu material, however Augie needs to go... now.
@0utOfSkill
@0utOfSkill 24 дня назад
I'm really happy with the changes they made to all teh characters, I felt like the books had about 4 "real" characters in total and the rest were just lifeless puppets. Case in point, when reading I didn't care for Yun Tianming or his story at all, while in the series I connected with Will Downing so much. The ending of Episode 6, where he purchases the star, resonates with me so much more than the equivalent in the book.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
The books characters are mostly really bland and lack any human emotions
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
D&D Utterly fudged the two most important pillars apparent in the Netflix show: 1 the dilemma of technological advancement between competing species, and 2 the alien psychology that is meant to plausibly not understand lying or fictional characters: 1_ Sophons could have destroyed the nano-fibers directly during their alpha test; there was no need at all for Augie to get phantom visions of numbers, have the sky blink for her, be visited by that ETO woman or any of it. Simply breaking her fibers would humiliate her and possibly end her career 2_ The San Ti must be credited with giving the ETO virtual reality tech - and the sword woman is a representation of a San Ti - so they absolutely 100% know what it is like to alter their appearance to mislead, entrap and manipulate (just like the Big Bad Wolf does to Red Riding Hood - the Sword Woman is to the VR players and Wade) So it ultimately works directly against the two main concepts that could have been very fascinating if not butchered and contradicted. You eventually get to this at 28:00 but don't you think this makes the San Ti MASTERFUL storytellers rather that utterly oblivious to fiction? You say the fictional/ disguised / representational little girl makes a lot of sense? It makes sense if you're telling a story YES, but it DOES NOT make sense if you're telling a story about an alien race that don't know what stories are.
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
Additionally - at 33:00 you remind me - that the technology that hides the woman from all the security cameras IS yet another obvious tell that the San Ti know how to deceive, lie, manipulate etc. Concealment is a form of lying and misrepresentation. "A person whose images are false" is an easy parallel to "a person whose words are false"
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
40:00 Is the Sophon causing the visual hallucination of the countdown numbers for Augie etc? That's what I thought was happening.. which makes it seem like it has many applications to kill, confuse people or cause psychosis
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
I disagree I think they did a great job
@6Churches
@6Churches 19 дней назад
@@jeffbachman2949 Sure. But all I'm hearing from you is "liking" and liking is personal Plot consistency and the translation of a book to a series without the creation of crushing inconsistencies is no a matter of liking. I've talked about this on a few other videos and had feedback from people that have read the books and the Sophons cannot do in the book what they can do in the show - making the show more inconsistent. For instance, in the book the sophons can create visual hallucinations by moving about in people's eyes, but in the show the sophons can create full auditory, visual and kinesthetic hallucinations for Wade; which makes them far more powerful and far more able to instigate death (e.g. they could cause Wade's security detail to hallucinate that he is the enemy, he'd then be shot. game over. The VR tech, the security system hacking tech, the visual obstruction of Tatiana when she murders Rooney, the seemingly superhuman strength of Tatiana, the extremely high capacity data storage on the boat, the global hack of the internet, the hyper specific hack of even the visual display screen of the voice recorder - all credit the sophons with story-breaking capacities, and mean the San Ti shared tech with the ETC that never happened in the books. .... it therefore becomes extremely unsatisfying to watch because we've now seen the sophons do incredible things and then pull back.
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 16 дней назад
24:30 I dont know if i want to ask, but who?
@DisWriter
@DisWriter 23 дня назад
The suicides made no sense if it was just "physics is broken." But, it made me relieved that I'm too "stupid" to understand what it meant. I am relieved that there were other reasons. No one commits suicide because of one factor of their belief system has changed, unless that is literally all they have. I'm a therapist that worked in suicide prevention for 15 years ANd I have a HUGE math learning disability, I like physics but literally need it explained to me in a story or I won't get it. So, I appreciate this video!
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
I agree and disagree at the same time. What if Augie's nano-fibers were cut by the sophons during every alpha-test? Every pre-check would be green, all the science would affirm the inevitable success ... and yet ... the fibers fall apart, having been struck by the sophons. This would be a public and personal and professional humiliation for Augie. She may even begin to suspect espionage, she may start to develop paranoia because the material world is rebelling against her every (years of academic effort) certainty. Perhaps she starts to even think her closest friends are conspiring against her to stop her from succeeding because they're jealous. Then the company starts to close down departments - she feels responsible for the destruction of dozens of careers. Then the economic impacts finally hit her - she has to sell off investment properties because she's no longer being paid an executive salary. People are calling for the retraction of papers she's published now because her alpha-test has failed so spectacularly - she's accused of falsifying science because it doesn't actually work. Her legacy, career, reputation and future prospects seem to be disintegrating. Then there's just the raw human psychology of it, suicides, like divorce often occur as social contagions - spreading in 'popularity' because others have done it. If an esteemed colleague self-ended, the weight starts to pile up. THIS would be a far more enthralling story that a stupid visual hallucination of a countdown and a mysterious woman and a blinking sky.
@saucevc8353
@saucevc8353 22 дня назад
@@6Churches Except if the sophons could interact with the physical world in such a massive way as breaking the strongest material ever made, it would also break the story because then they could just destroy everything before the San Ti arrive. The fact that the sophons can only create illusions and temporarily manipulate electronics at best is their defining weakness.
@6Churches
@6Churches 22 дня назад
@@saucevc8353 The sophons can directly impact particles, right? Is there that much difference between a particle in a collider and a particle in a nano-fiber? I assumed the Sophons could do a lot - the Netflix show implies they temporarily took over the entire internet and power supply right? When the 'You are bugs' incident happened -was this not sophon related? If not - then how was it achieved?
@saucevc8353
@saucevc8353 22 дня назад
@@6Churches Uh yeah, there’s a big difference between hitting a single free flying proton and disrupting the bonds of multiple carbon atoms arranged in literally the most powerful chemical bond possible.
@saucevc8353
@saucevc8353 22 дня назад
@@6Churches The “You are bugs” was the sophons interfering with electronic devices. That’s different from them interacting with the physical world though because they’d just need to interfere with electrons and not atomic structures.
@101Watcher101010101
@101Watcher101010101 24 дня назад
Great review. For me it ultimately always comes down to vision and scrutiny. The book author has plenty of time, understanding, and love for the story to make appropriate adjustments and story beats befitting the book format. This is hard to reproduce when bringing in a huge team. It’s an issue with games, shows, and movies. Ultimately the movie or show can be great; it just happens to not be. There are plenty of adjustments and changes to the story of Dune and Foundation series in their adaptations but it takes a lot to make something good in any case.
@oonmm
@oonmm 22 дня назад
The movie/TV series will always be better since the book will have essentially become the first draft of the story. Film makers will tend to fix the story and make it better when adapting a book for the screen. If the film wasn't good, then the book will have been bad as well.
@alpha_berchermuesli5975
@alpha_berchermuesli5975 17 дней назад
i skip anything from Benioff and Weiss
@roastpork5437
@roastpork5437 24 дня назад
Auggie will become Saul's wife (Zhuang Yan) and then she will take on Ding Yi's role and will be killed during the droplet attack and this traumatizes Saul and will serve as his motivation to enact his final Wallfacer plan. This makes narrative sense on a raw emotional level and fits with D&D's traditional style of storytelling. It will also lead to Saul's future solitude years as the first Swordholder.
@BelindaShort
@BelindaShort 24 дня назад
You just giving away huge spoilers here huh?
@getmotivated1707
@getmotivated1707 13 дней назад
I enjoyed it as my first exposure to the series. I enjoyed the books far more, and im hyped about this chinese series, hoping to find it subbed and watch. I agree about Yie. 3 body just made me see her as akin to a school shooter, but the books showed her as more complex. Really looking forward to the original adaptation, especially since i consumed the audiobooks and the names were difficult to keep track of fully without a visual representation. Purely because im not used to chinese naming convention, i found it harder than russian names lol, my very own three syllable problem 😅
@limesquared
@limesquared 24 дня назад
The books give a 2001: A space Odyssey and Hitchhiker’s Guide kind of vibe.
@singgihsuwangsa8650
@singgihsuwangsa8650 24 дня назад
Wait, why HHGTTG?
@limesquared
@limesquared 23 дня назад
@@singgihsuwangsa8650 The Vogons destroying the Earth.
@howmuchmorecanItake
@howmuchmorecanItake 24 дня назад
Great video, one of the more balanced takes on the show I've seen. One disagreement - I really liked (at least the opening parts of) the Luo Ji imaginary girlfriend storyline. I took it as a bit of a dissertation for how the author thinks books should be written, and I thought it was a good way to really hammer home how screwed the humans are.
@socialcockroach3307
@socialcockroach3307 15 дней назад
I was very skeptical going into the Netflix adaptation but I was pleasantly surprised. I completely agree that Da Shi was a bit fumbled in the show but the character that really bothered me was Raj Varma. It is clear that Raj is supposed to be Zhang Beihai but not only are they very dissimilar in terms of personality, Raj also doesn't seem to have the sense of duty and singular purpose that drove Zhang Beihai. I have always viewed Zhang Beihai as a sort of fifth, secret wall facer in that he has a goal and works towards it without sharing any details of his plans with anyone and I just don't see Raj accomplishing this. He isn't shown to have that level of intelligence, subtly, foresight or zeal. He is just a follower, doing what he is told and he even seems to have a petulant streak.
@Ryglado
@Ryglado 9 дней назад
I’ve not read the books (yet) and not seen the Chinese adaptation but the Netflix version seemed a bit cheap. I watched it all and then forgot about it.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 4 дня назад
I loved it
@svargyle
@svargyle 5 дней назад
The idea that Auggie is too good looking has nothing to do with misogyny. Dismissing it as such is just a weak approach to your argument. (I don't like what you said so I'm going to call you a name and drop the mic.) My wife (and engineer) actually pointed out the reason that her good looks are not typical for top end scientists. The main reason is that looking that good is hard work. How much does that actress work out? How closely does she watch her diet. How many hours in makeup did she spend before the shoot each day. People at the top of their fields in things like science and engineering just put their priorities elsewhere. Only so many hours in a day.
@youngrootv
@youngrootv День назад
lol well, that’s just wrong and small minded. I went to graduate school at an engineering school and there were tons of beauties at my school. People that are mad at the casting of a good looking woman as a scientist just have no real life experience in these spaces so they turn to hating her for absolutely no reason, i.e. misogyny. It’s just nonsensical.
@larllarfleton
@larllarfleton 24 дня назад
I don't think I really enjoyed the netflix adaptation at all. Making all the main characters from the books part of the same friend group in 21st century Britain is just stupid to me. Everything about the netflix show was just so flat. The cinematography, the lighting, the music, the writing. It just fucking sucked
@genericallyentertaining
@genericallyentertaining 24 дня назад
The cinematography was definitely one of the weakest parts of the show for me; the lighting and compositional choices were rather uninspired, albeit typical for many shows these days. But the story itself was enjoyable enough that I didn't hate the show at all.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
​​​@@genericallyentertainingI disagree I mostly liked the look of it I liked the look of the game and really liked the look of 1960s red coast base I also think the character writing was much better than the books the characters are so poorly written in the books imo and lack any human emotions
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
I disagree i really liked the show
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
I have seen many people who loves though the Cultural Revolution say the struggle session was very accurate. The 3BP podcast interviews multiple people who loved though that and they said they show nailed that stuff
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 18 дней назад
I have seen many people who lives through the Cultural Revolution say the set were full or errors and the way they depicted the Inner Mongolia and Red Coast Base plot just too unrealistic and if Ye Wenjie behaved like how she did in the Netflix show during that time in real life she would be long dead already.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
@tsukasa1608 once again people who have lived through it praised it. And she was going to be killed more than likely but they spared her because of her skill. So you're telling me those people they interviewed on the 3BP podcast and Alex Woo parents who escaped China during that time are all just lying when they say the show was very accurate?
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
@tsukasa1608 so all those people who were interviewed on the 3bp podcast and alex woo parents who escaped China and lived through that time are just lying? Also Ye probably would have been killed but they spared her for her skill
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
@tsukasa1608 yes all those people who lived through it and said the show did a good job with that including Alex woo parents must be lying
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 18 дней назад
​​@@jeffbachman2949lol she's on the blacklist, and she should be full of cautiousness and hide her emotion after all that happened to her, yet in the Netflix show she's acting all girlboss to her higher up in Red Coast Base, in real life if anyone on the blacklist did they would be dead already. Also since you can't read Chinese of course you can't tell the errors in set design, in no way they would put out a slogan like "defeat the socialism imperialist" back in 1966, should be "defeat the American imperialist".
@heymotivator2231
@heymotivator2231 День назад
Obviously it’s not bad, why would you even suggest that
@XieQiu
@XieQiu 19 дней назад
Agree with your take on the characters.
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
I think there's a little more to the "Auggie is too hot" criticism than misogyny (tho that is a part of it online unfortunately). To me it just kinda pulls me out of it when a lady whose colleagues are self-deleting, whose friends are very sick or being violently deleted, who is inexplicably seeing a countdown in the corner of her vision while a mysterious stranger is telling her to stop her work, always looks like a team spent hours on her hair and make up and outfit. It kinda reminds me of cars in racing games not being allowed to look wrecked up because the brands don't want their cars presented like that. In the book I felt like Wang was ragged, sleep deprived, desperate and strung out, and Auggie just fails to deliver that for me and part of that is that she always looks like a ton of effort was poured into her appearance.
@CircusOfFive
@CircusOfFive 18 дней назад
i absolutely love the TEn Cent adaptation. perhaps if i hadn't seen that first, I would have liked the netflix version better.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
See my issue with Tencent is 30 episodes that just dragged on and explaining things over and over again then flashbacks of the same scene explaining things again. The Chinese censorship I also think didn't help it and it was filmed imo like a commercial. I did like some of it but wow was 30 episodes a lot
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 18 дней назад
​@@jeffbachman2949 see this is why you're annoying af, going after every single comment.
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
​@tsukasa1608 lol grow up weirdo expressing opinions is perfectly fine. Wtf is wrong with you. Get over it already
@tsukasa1608
@tsukasa1608 18 дней назад
​@@jeffbachman2949 I've learned it from you, going after every comment, specifically your comment, do you feel proud?😜
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 18 дней назад
@tsukasa1608 yep and now I'm just going to double down on it just to mess with you. Bring on the insults.
@neondarling379
@neondarling379 18 дней назад
Call me crazy but bro looks exactly like that one guy in the news 💀
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
i think he looks like daxflame
@DustinDustin00
@DustinDustin00 6 дней назад
Does the book explain how the first alien, that can't lie, contacted is going to lie about humans contacting them to its fellow aliens?
@mykal4779
@mykal4779 6 дней назад
he doesn't. the other aliens find out and punish him. But a single message from Earth only gives them a rough direction, which is essentially useless in the vastness of space; getting an immediate response lets them know exactly how far away Earth is (based on how long the message takes to cross the distance) and triangulate its location (based on the slightly different directions between the two messages). the alien is saying "if you don't reply we won't be able to find you"
@mr.m2659
@mr.m2659 5 дней назад
Why would he lie though
@ConnorMacmillanShorts
@ConnorMacmillanShorts 20 дней назад
Is it ok if you can please start making shorts, because sure you don't make much money on shorts, but you can get more subscribers and views from shorts, and once you got all these large amounts of subscribers, and once they watch your long form videos, your gonna get even more views on your long form videos and make even more money.
@G5rry
@G5rry 22 дня назад
Constructive criticism: I don’t mind jump cuts, but your editing is very jarring and difficult to listen to because when you do a jump cut, the audio from the following clip starts early and it always sounds like you are interrupting yourself… I know jump cuts are to remove any awkward moments of silence, but this is the opposite problem. Please leave a moment to take a breath.
@eyeheartrs
@eyeheartrs 23 дня назад
I always felt like it was pretty obvious Auggie is Wang Miao and Cheng Xi combined but that's largely due to the unlikeableness of her character which would fit the unlikeableness of Cheng Xi in the book. Though I guess if you didn't see her as unlikeable then that parallel isn't really easily followed
@Boris.Becker.
@Boris.Becker. 21 день назад
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@FloridatedH2O
@FloridatedH2O 3 дня назад
As someone who as done research and interacted with real scientists, yeah, no scientist is killing themselves over random or what we would all "null" or "negative" results. They happen all the time in science as a result lot of many different factors. They are frustrating as a scientist because negative findings are difficult to package as a high-impact publication. But if every scientists is getting negative findings, then you also confirming negative findings in your area of study would be interesting. Widespread negative findings would lead to such a flurry of theorizing and research to seek out more accurate models of the universe, and the enthusiasm would probably not die down for many years. The only people i could possibly see being distraught would be very established eminent figures whose lives, careers (and self-worth) would be rendered significantly less valuable.
@ThatSkiFreak
@ThatSkiFreak 24 дня назад
generic sketch -> generic video essay
@herbertschulz4313
@herbertschulz4313 18 дней назад
Thomas wade played by liam cunningham was really good.
@halo2something
@halo2something 5 дней назад
it's not 5 adaptations - tencent version is 1st book, animation covers 2nd one
@laforestadeimillepugnali3865
@laforestadeimillepugnali3865 24 дня назад
Tbh the Game Of Thrones writers are actually pretty great at coming up with original material, David Benioff actually has some very well written books under his name, like 25th hour and City of Thieves (seriusly an amazing historical book). But tbh, I' m like one of the three people in this world that actually kinda likes the final season of GoT when I binged it last year for the first time, so lol. I think Three-body problems plays to their strenght a lot, they always have been great dialogue writers, expecially with drama about group dynamics, and they way they re-structured this book was also pretty interesting. They really felt confident they will be able to "get to the good part" after laying down all of the pawns in this first season. Takes a lot of balls imo
@limesquared
@limesquared 23 дня назад
@@laforestadeimillepugnali3865 City of Thieves was brilliant !
@jeffbachman2949
@jeffbachman2949 19 дней назад
Oh yeah and they way they keep talking about the second book and how much they love it it should be interesting to watch
@fathersun5765
@fathersun5765 3 дня назад
Them even explaining that they had Sophons, that they only had 2, the limitations- is pure plot and dumb imo but maybe I missed something
@deadmanslastwish
@deadmanslastwish 6 дней назад
I would have said it was GREAT if you had asked me right after episode 5. But after that... YEEESH
@vizotzyz
@vizotzyz 21 день назад
They white washed the whole thing.
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