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Netflix, The King, historical analysis review: CRIMES AGAINST MEDIEVAL REALISM 

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A detailed historical analysis and review of Netflix's THE KING, the story of Henry V and the great battle of Agencourt
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@boojaliciousiii3797
@boojaliciousiii3797 4 года назад
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@dontafk9809
@dontafk9809 4 года назад
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@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 4 года назад
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@Junkzillabox
@Junkzillabox 4 года назад
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@jordanwehler7196
@jordanwehler7196 4 года назад
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@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 4 года назад
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@AkodoAkira1
@AkodoAkira1 4 года назад
"It's like they thought the Medieval period didn't even have Sunshine!" To be fair, Shad, it *is* England. I'm not sure they have sunshine today.
@Practitioner_of_Diogenes
@Practitioner_of_Diogenes 4 года назад
They get sunshire, but it's like one week for the whole year.
@dantaylor9132
@dantaylor9132 4 года назад
Very true. I live in London, the last time I saw sun was for about an hour more than three weeks ago
@TheMarkg6
@TheMarkg6 4 года назад
I live in Florida. Please take some of ours. - sincerely a fair skinned construction worker
@broomy1610
@broomy1610 4 года назад
What’s sunshine?
@lordofuzkulak8308
@lordofuzkulak8308 4 года назад
AkodoAkira1 wait, you mean the sun isn't something invented for films by Hollywood? 😲 😜
@mustavogaia2655
@mustavogaia2655 4 года назад
A little known fact is that sunshine was heavily taxed in medieval times, so they enjoy it sparsely - as depicted in most movies.
@DedicatedSpartan
@DedicatedSpartan 4 года назад
LOL
@pedrohenrique-et3fs
@pedrohenrique-et3fs 4 года назад
they had the prima morning
@sebdunleavy1608
@sebdunleavy1608 4 года назад
well there’s never much sunshine in England and Northern France
@mustavogaia2655
@mustavogaia2655 4 года назад
@@sebdunleavy1608 And do you think that those two things were not related?
@charlottewalnut3118
@charlottewalnut3118 4 года назад
Mustavo Gaia Escanor : Who decided that.
@alexandersarchives9615
@alexandersarchives9615 4 года назад
45:30 the reason he is slipping isn’t because of the armor. It’s a known fact that French knights wore blocks of soap on their feet because full plate is to OP and the game devs needed to balance the gameplay
@samclukey9802
@samclukey9802 4 года назад
@@gregory7451 I assume you meant a waste of words? Or were you admiring this comment's physique?
@Vorador47
@Vorador47 4 года назад
what's more amazing is he managed to slip and get killed, despite not being there and dying months after the battle.
@CazzyVR
@CazzyVR 4 года назад
@@gregory7451 No u
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
Nah, it's obvious the French guy is a newbie and put all his stats into Strength alone. He should've put some points in Endurance, that would've let him at least move decently in that armor set.
@calebharris7568
@calebharris7568 3 года назад
sam clukey too good 😂😂😂
@aaronseet2738
@aaronseet2738 4 года назад
Great medieval films? May I introduce... *Monty Python and the Holy Grail*
@cambs0181
@cambs0181 4 года назад
Well to be fair soldiers back then commonly went into battle drunk. Chapman was completely shitfaced in the whole making of that movie.
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 4 года назад
We all know what the French said to Henry : "Your father was a hamster, and your mother smelled of Elderberry !"
@TheRookieA7
@TheRookieA7 4 года назад
Wrong way round
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 4 года назад
@@TheRookieA7 oh yeah true ! Though this way is fun as well ^^
@harknessfan567
@harknessfan567 4 года назад
"Now go away before I insult you some more."
@aidanswenson9659
@aidanswenson9659 4 года назад
Ni!
@harknessfan567
@harknessfan567 4 года назад
@@aidanswenson9659 "we want a shrubbery!"
@markleboy
@markleboy 4 года назад
One of the things I did appreciate most about this movie was that the armor actually worked. Nobody really got sliced through like butter. Most kills were stabs in the weaker parts of the armor.
@benjaminthibieroz4155
@benjaminthibieroz4155 4 года назад
True. The most absurd thing about armor in this movie is the moment when they say "we remove them" I facepalmed and yelled at that point
@Gew219
@Gew219 4 года назад
Well, there were scenes of arrows going straight through breastplates.
@gimgimlet6350
@gimgimlet6350 4 года назад
@@Gew219 That is true, but there were also scenes were plate armor fully deflected arrow fire
@brandonfoley7519
@brandonfoley7519 4 года назад
Got thrones lol the hound is strong use big sword chop man in half
@brandonfoley7519
@brandonfoley7519 4 года назад
@@Gew219 I can at least suspend belief in that regard Arrows do have good penetration That's what she said
@crazyviking24
@crazyviking24 4 года назад
My biggest problem with them portraying historical characters as being emotionless, is the fact that the biographers of many of the medieval kings and lords actually record the emotional states such as them flying into a rage when done wrong (Abbot Samson of Bury-St. Edmonds) or crying at the site of a flower.
@dogman9291
@dogman9291 3 года назад
Exactly. If you're willing to do some research, there's actually a LOT of records you can build off of as a writer, to get an idea of what a historical figure may have been like as a person.
@kyle18934
@kyle18934 3 года назад
@@dogman9291 very true. their characteristics add into the story of how and why things took place. they add depth and and a perspective that would otherwise be lost. it gives the feeling that they were actually people that had their own demons and problems in life. they were just people going through life, making decisions. they were not just words on a page, or a story created by an author. If I remember from my history class from a while ago, king hennery was pretty aggressive and angry. he was impulsive and would absolutely invade France if given the lawful chance. he had a major change in character when he was hit in the face by an arrow. the arrowhead, a bodkin (un-barbed, built for armor piercing) was resting against the base of the skull. this may have given him brain damage, or the pain may have changed him.
@crazyviking24
@crazyviking24 2 года назад
@@Dwarfplayer I forget the name
@crazyviking24
@crazyviking24 2 года назад
@@Dwarfplayer I would recommend a Time Traveler's Guide to Medieval England as the story is found there.
@Polyglot_English
@Polyglot_English 2 года назад
Детерминизм это Свобода 🤙
@Calamity556
@Calamity556 3 года назад
Guys, I found out why the movie is not historically accurate. The director of the film actually made it according to a playthrough of Crusader Kings III.
@carveorpawley4406
@carveorpawley4406 4 года назад
A French heavy cavalry charge and no one thought to bring a lance.
@Terrekain
@Terrekain 4 года назад
We have American self-defense Battle Axes today - someone in Michigan used one to gore a home-invader. www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-man-fends-intruder-replica-battle-axe-bloody-mess-everywhere
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 4 года назад
@@Terrekain Who gives a fuck?
@ifikrates
@ifikrates 4 года назад
My point exactly! Netflix seems to deliberately screw this up (they already did - in the Outlaw King). Why? Even from the purely cinematic point of view a cavalry charge looks so much better with lances (as e.g. in Braveheart - regardless of that film's many problems).
@belisarius6949
@belisarius6949 4 года назад
@@ifikrates For Holywood Lances are purely just tournament stuff.
@johnnatandc
@johnnatandc 4 года назад
Lances are sooo out of trend nowadays... hahahah XD
@classifiedamphibian4649
@classifiedamphibian4649 4 года назад
The king: is completely inaccurate to actual history Shadiversity: it's treason then.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 4 года назад
To be fair it’s based more on the plays but the ending was total bullshit women would not be talking like that
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
@@lorddiethorn And even if they did talk like that, the only response they'd get from their husband is to be hit so hard they see stars.
@mariebourgot4949
@mariebourgot4949 4 года назад
@@SRosenberg203 Oh. That is historically accurate? Not just your hurt feelings?
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
@@mariebourgot4949 What I described actually is historically accurate for the period. It's not right, but it was the reality of the time.
@Dadecorban
@Dadecorban 4 года назад
@@lorddiethorn talking at all*
@Satyxes
@Satyxes 4 года назад
"But horse armour is expensive" Queue quick image of Bethesda's Horse Armour DLC Shad, you absolute legend.
@FlashBangBANGz
@FlashBangBANGz 3 года назад
This comment is underrated.
@ericsplittgerber5154
@ericsplittgerber5154 2 года назад
I caught this too, seriously amazing
@yig_501
@yig_501 2 года назад
haha even in 2022 this got me XD hes a legend
@phosphoros60
@phosphoros60 4 года назад
"He actually believed that he was made of glass!" Not the worst-ever royal delusion...
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
*..... I'm afriad to ask for what the worse ones actually are.* 😑'
@phosphoros60
@phosphoros60 3 года назад
@@MrDibara Emperor Caligula of the Roman Empire named his horse a Senator and himself - with the consent of the stunned Roman Senate - a God. Emperor Zheng De of China issued orders to an imaginary General - he also had his trusted advisor, the Eunuch Liu Jin executed by the 'Then Thousand Cuts' practise of having someone slowly bled out to death. Juana la Loca, Joan the Mad, of Spain had her dead husband's corpse put up in a Mausoleum she visited regularly, touching and kissing his rotting body. Tsar Peter the Great's own son died under torture for having an affair. Tsar Ivan IV killed his own son in a fit of rage. The government of England during the Napoleonic Wars was _very_ happy that King George III wasn't legally in charge of any actual state power, because he regularly had hallucinations. Ludwig II of Bavaria spent the entire estate of his country on building the fake mediaval castle of Neuschwanstein, then just walked into a lake and drowned himself. So, yeah, Dayless the Conqueror was one of the less crazy rulers.
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
@@phosphoros60 #__# ......................... 🧠🔫 💥
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
@@phosphoros60 I'm honestly not surprised by the Roman one, but the others were actually surprising.
@philipped.r.6385
@philipped.r.6385 3 года назад
Well, Charles VI first known bout of psychosis was while leading a military campaign in Britanny to capture Pierre de Craon who attempted to murder one of his councillor and was protected by the Duke. A leper came at him screaming that he had been betrayed and shouldn't go further. He was beaten back by his escort, but they didn't arrest him and he continued to scream his non-sense. Then, a page accidently dropped a lance he was carrying and it banged loudly on an helmet than another man carried. Charles drew his sword and screamed "Forward against the traitor! They wish to deliver me to the enemy!" He spurred his horse and started fighting random guys around him. They finally wrestled him on the ground and he fell into a coma. He had killed a knight known as "the Bastard of Polignac" and several other men. It's not at the level of Aerys Targaryen, but it's still something. There was also the "Bal des Ardents" which is pretty telling too: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_des_Ardents .
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 4 года назад
So at 20:54 I misspoke, I meant to say the style of fighting they're employing is unarmored longsword technique while wearing fullplate armor. My brain must have turned off when I said single handed longsword technique because. . . WHAT!?!?
@NeocrimsonX
@NeocrimsonX 4 года назад
Oof
@darkprototype5353
@darkprototype5353 4 года назад
Btw, pretty sure Metatron said it was based off the play.
@joku02
@joku02 4 года назад
Almoust an hour long video fro Shad? WERE BLESSED!
@mattg-xy8jr
@mattg-xy8jr 4 года назад
@@darkprototype5353 Metatron**
@darkprototype5353
@darkprototype5353 4 года назад
@@mattg-xy8jr Damn auto correct. Thanks.
@NGC-7635
@NGC-7635 4 года назад
I was literally watching this movie thinking to myself “Shad is 100% making a video on this”.
@AcidJiles
@AcidJiles 4 года назад
I enjoyed the movie but was also thinking that Shad would tear it a new one.
@Agnessa92
@Agnessa92 4 года назад
I thought that after seeing the first trailer :)
@mdallie763
@mdallie763 4 года назад
@@Agnessa92 Same!!
@kaoskat5111
@kaoskat5111 4 года назад
same i watched it yesterday and am watching this today.....nice
@mralfey
@mralfey 4 года назад
Same. As soon as I see the word ‘king’ on Nexflix, I think: *It’s Shad Time*
@kohinarec6580
@kohinarec6580 4 года назад
French Princess: "All monarchy is illegitimate." King Elfboy: "Excuuuuuuuse me Princess!"
@dagonofthedepths
@dagonofthedepths 4 года назад
ah that made my day thank you.
@zaidhernandez4601
@zaidhernandez4601 3 года назад
Amazing 😄
@alanmichelsandoval8768
@alanmichelsandoval8768 3 года назад
I thought that by the comment she was well aware of that, she knows It Is unfair but doesnt really give a damn
@jupiterrising887
@jupiterrising887 2 года назад
@@alanmichelsandoval8768 No, it's just modern BS being injected into a period where it never existed.
@nicholasmorre7371
@nicholasmorre7371 4 года назад
“All monarchy is illegitimate.” They can’t help but shoehorn modern sentiments into these films/shows. No respect for or interest in history.
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 4 года назад
as a monarchist myself (semi con.) the idea that people do shoehorn statements like these is absurd, it's a stupid statement that, coming from a noblewoman, sounds even more hilarious.
@medievalgirl002
@medievalgirl002 4 года назад
@@thethirdsicily4802 Not just from a noblewomen, she was meant to be the daughter of the King of France. I know what you mean about absurd modern sentiments though. Needless to say, that line was not in the original play. I'd say only about 50% of the material in this movie does come from it really. The rest is invention, and very bad at that.
@LitlBlackDragonNinja
@LitlBlackDragonNinja 4 года назад
@@thethirdsicily4802 That's what I call propaganda.
@thethirdsicily4802
@thethirdsicily4802 4 года назад
@@LitlBlackDragonNinja yeeeeeup
@mariebourgot4949
@mariebourgot4949 4 года назад
​@@medievalgirl002 Because the play isn't invention too? I get your point, but the play isn't a history book.
@raynmanshorts9275
@raynmanshorts9275 4 года назад
Nations that have gone to war with France the most: 1. France
@samclukey9802
@samclukey9802 4 года назад
You'd think that after all these republics they would have worked out the kinks by now
@borealfear6762
@borealfear6762 4 года назад
sam clukey No, we won't because.
@andredulac4456
@andredulac4456 4 года назад
If you consider England as a french colony, then yes :p
@PeaneutzTV
@PeaneutzTV 4 года назад
As a French, after seeing how poorly our government handled the Corona-crisis, we should go to war against France once again!
@arkasfenrir6893
@arkasfenrir6893 4 года назад
@@PeaneutzTV As another French, i fooking agree !
@Bjarkenb
@Bjarkenb 4 года назад
You know what breaks immersion in half a breath? A character in a medieval setting who happens to be exactly 700 years ahead of their time -.-
@upmayo100
@upmayo100 4 года назад
700? You may want to re-count
@ziomudru
@ziomudru 3 года назад
700 or 600 makes no difference. they have to turn good protagonist into a pacifist so that modern audience can identify.
@maple2524
@maple2524 3 года назад
Pacificism wasn’t invented in 1900. It might not have been so popular in the Dark Ages, but it certainly isn’t impossible for any given person to have abhorred war back then.
@kielanwade5096
@kielanwade5096 3 года назад
@@maple2524 Yeah I think saying that all medieval people loved war is just a ridiculous statement. Human nature doesn't change, we tend to try and avoid dying horribly when we can so its not unreasonable to think that some medieval people may have been anti-war. They just didn't have a word for it yet, or they'd probably just call them a coward.
@zacharyradford5552
@zacharyradford5552 3 года назад
@@kielanwade5096 Very few monarchs of any country didn’t like war. Common people never liked war.
@Limpshot_McGee
@Limpshot_McGee 3 года назад
I interpreted Henry V's "blandness" as him maintaining a royal composure. I've heard Queen Elizabeth talking about how it can be hard to keep up at times. That's why I thought the scene where Henry cries over the death of his friend was really well done.
@bar10005
@bar10005 3 года назад
The armor is so ill-fitting that we see Henry adjusting his coif three times in the final battle, as without the padding it's too large and slips onto his eyes, hindering his visibility...
@enlightenedterrestrial
@enlightenedterrestrial 4 года назад
I disliked the depiction of the battle greatly. I find the real battle of Agincourt much more interesting than the one that was depicted and no, I don't think it was a budge issue. They simply weren't interested in depicting a real combat engagement and aimed more for a chaotic, brutal, muddy mess like we see in many other movies. I'm especially angered by the movie trope, where soldiers suicidally run into each other and proceed to fight one on one all over the battlefield. We have contemporary sources and modern videos of police vs rioters that confirm that everytime two armed mobs approach each other, they advance as two masses and it is only the first two ranks who do the actual fighting, while the rest were mostly throwing projectiles or waiting to switch the exhausted and injured soldiers in the first rank.
@evilbarrels2506
@evilbarrels2506 4 года назад
This would also be doubly true if the situation depicted in the movie was true, since flanking an opponent gives two major advantages: 1) The ability to fight in formation while also forcing your opponent to fight out of formation. 2) The ability to outnumber the individual fighters in the opposing formation since their file is often much thinner than their rank. If the French were rooted in place (or at least slowed to the point it was difficult for them to regroup) then maintaining formation while flanking them would absolutely be the best course of action, as that would multiply the effect of the flanking maneuver.
@photosyntheticzee9915
@photosyntheticzee9915 4 года назад
It's almost like they think that people fighting to the death have enough honor to find a single opponent and square off with them, then just look for a new one when you finish fighting, instead of double-teaming enemies whereever you could. The reason we started fighting in shield-walls and phalanxes and maniples and all that is because with a guy to your left and your right, you can be reasonably confident that you won't be double-teamed or struck from your blind spot, and you can focus on the guy in front of you. Does wonders for morale. If you are out of formation, the smartest thing to do is backpedal slowly and fend off blows so that you can keep your enemies in front of you.
@Subtleknife12367
@Subtleknife12367 4 года назад
Unfortunately it is what is in vogue for film battles. They seem to be fixated by making it seem muddy and chaotic since GoT. It is the same way I which every officer is depicted as an idiot and every one is miserable in ww1. It would be nice if film makes made both of these things realistic.
@PatrixBest
@PatrixBest 4 года назад
They way they depict battles, being so chaotic, I always wonder how they tell friend from foe. How do you quickly identify one muddy metal-clad man from another? Stay in formation, keep your friends to your sides and rear, keep the enemy in front >:[
@MrEvanfriend
@MrEvanfriend 4 года назад
One thing that he misses, that made the movie battle less historically accurate and higher budget, is that the French attack was NOT mounted. The French men at arms assaulted on foot, not on horseback.
@rikremmerswaal2756
@rikremmerswaal2756 4 года назад
About Henry's scar: HE WAS SHOT IN THE FACE WITH A F-ING WAR-BOW! there is a documantery about that specific event here on RU-vid. Look it up. The wound completely messed up one half of his face and all the movie gave him was a cute, anime like scar on the cheek.
@Immopimmo
@Immopimmo 4 года назад
Yeah, they had to make a special tool to remove the point from deep within his skull. Some pretty hardcore surgery.
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 4 года назад
*has a little knick on the cheek* oh no....im so hideous! Don't look at me!
@gracesprocket7340
@gracesprocket7340 4 года назад
@@Immopimmo While the surgeon did develop a special tool, that may have been because it was so close to the spine, and lodged in bone. To remove barbed arrows in flesh it is sufficient to pass a pair of quills down the wound to land on the barb points. Then the whole can be withdrawn with minimal or no additional injury.
@jlinus7251
@jlinus7251 4 года назад
I actually liked the way Timothy played Hal, because he started off with personality and then had to harden himself. I'm not looking at it from a historical perspective just from a story one. The way Hal closes up unless he's with his one friend, and even then it's on an inkling of the smile he had before speaks volumes of his state of mind as a king.
@jlinus7251
@jlinus7251 2 года назад
@TheStonesSing another idiot in general. Nice to meet ya
@medievalgirl002
@medievalgirl002 4 года назад
The scene with Katherine is just absurd, especially when you compare it to the original play. Shakespeare's 'wooing scene' between Henry and Katherine is romantic, touching and quite funny. (With some cheeky innuendo, in typical Shakespearean style) Henry makes a fool of himself by speaking French badly , and Katherine laughs at him for it, but not in a belittling way. The best version is probably in the Branagh version of 1989, in which Katherine is played by Emma Thompson who was then married to Branagh.
@Concetta20
@Concetta20 3 года назад
Yeah, I love that scene too-so I forgive Shakespeare for omitting the fact that Henry would’ve spoken fluent French in real life, since French was actually the official language of the English court pretty up to his time.
@manicpixiefangirl4189
@manicpixiefangirl4189 3 года назад
My Tom Hiddleston-loving heart is deeply wounded. 🥺😢
@zacharyradford5552
@zacharyradford5552 3 года назад
Really believe Shakespeare someone who was born over 100 years after the time of HenryV.
@zacharyradford5552
@zacharyradford5552 3 года назад
@@Concetta20 I forgive Shakespeare for being born over a 100 years after the time of Henry V. Same as now you have to forgive movie writers and directors for being born almost 600 years after that time.
@emmitstewart1921
@emmitstewart1921 2 года назад
No medieval princess would speak so rudely, especially to an important suitor. Nor would a modern one. If she disliked him, or disapproved of his actions, she would have been polite, but noncommittal. Later in her chambers with her ladies in waiting she might mock or show disgust, but she would never publicly scold him so roundly.
@arduskaine3381
@arduskaine3381 4 года назад
At least there are no lightsabers in this movie. Those belong into Star Wars, not the medieval period.
@demigod5219
@demigod5219 4 года назад
Ardus Kaine true but maybe it would be a welcome change, the only Star Wars movies since the prequels have been Rogue One & Solo 🤷‍♂️
@lillyanneserrelio2187
@lillyanneserrelio2187 4 года назад
Where are the pyramids? j/k That would be crazy to have in a medieval period film (hides her light saber under her peasant clothes)
@haillobster7154
@haillobster7154 4 года назад
@@demigod5219 sheesh... it's high time some visionary like JJ Abrams, or Rian Johnson directed a Star Wars movie. This franchise could do with their genius guidance.
@weesnaorc1203
@weesnaorc1203 4 года назад
Idk about that. starwars took place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. It might be possible that some jedi stumbled across earth and thought hey they could use an upgrade!
@jackflanagan903
@jackflanagan903 4 года назад
How's the Pentastar Alignment getting along?
@stockcaptain1
@stockcaptain1 4 года назад
It really bothered me that during the battle they never wore distinguishing colors, how would they know which side they're fighting?
@mnk9073
@mnk9073 4 года назад
That's actually pretty accurate but more so in the way that everyone wore all kinds of colours, all kinds of coats of arms and flew all kinds of flags so yeah, colour coded armies are nonsense up until pretty much the english civil war. This was also not helped by the fact that certain designs, for example a white cross on red, was so popular that there was no shortage of battles where armies fought each other under the exact same banners.
@Wveth
@Wveth 4 года назад
Medieval armies wore the colors of their lords rather than their kings or countries.
@De_Futura
@De_Futura 4 года назад
Because they usually kept formation while in combat.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 4 года назад
No the English wore the The cross of Saint George on their person
@mnk9073
@mnk9073 4 года назад
@sick boy For illuminations "Les Grandes chroniques de France" and "Chroniques de Froissart" are a great start. Have fun finding out who is who in the mess of boldly coloured doublets, proudly worn crosses and quartered banners especially after Castille joins both sides; kindly enough the illustrators took mercy and put in royal banners the size of sails in some to make it easier...
@samclukey9802
@samclukey9802 4 года назад
Just finished this movie on Netflix, and I agree with your observations here. However, I wanted to give an additional note about the Battle of Agincourt: Another essential factor that contributed to the historical English victory was the formation used by the English soldiers. The English longbowmen were stationed behind spike fortifications that granted them protection from the French charge and impaled French horses. The English men-at-arms were positioned in center field to funnel the French into a central melee, while archers on the wings could continue harassing the French with arrows. The English victory was dependent on the success of this troop arrangement and the defensive advantage the English maintained. The movie fails to show any coherent English strategy beyond a surprise flank.
@patrickallbright2809
@patrickallbright2809 4 года назад
I have fought for a few years in full plate, full-contact fighting. I have fought in rain, snow, heat, cold, and WET MUDDY GROUND. The problem is not the armor, it's the shoes. I have slid all over the place in a fight and watched people fall on their face all because medieval shoes/boots are so slippery in muddy wet grass.
@krisnorge5830
@krisnorge5830 3 года назад
Buhurt fighting?
@patrickallbright2809
@patrickallbright2809 3 года назад
@@krisnorge5830 yes sir!
@krisnorge5830
@krisnorge5830 3 года назад
Nice! Historical re-enactor here! Different mentality but many of the same interests.
@morlath4767
@morlath4767 4 года назад
I loved your breakdown of the princess scene. You're totally right in that modern sensibilities/social attitudes shouldn't be put into a historical period piece (accurate or 'inspired by' doesn't matter). A story about a king's rise and attempts at conquest is no place for someone to argue whether monarchies should be ripped down. It's like someone making a movie about Alexander the Great's life and trying to use it to speak about the horror of war and how violence is never the answer. Insane.
@burner27
@burner27 4 года назад
Or classical greek cultural norms?
@luigibro2424
@luigibro2424 4 года назад
Maybe she’s just a Yorkist
@whitworth5s248
@whitworth5s248 4 года назад
King Henry might as well have just pulled out a satphone during a big battle scene and called for a air strike from an A-10. The level of movie breaking anachronism would have been on par with the 15th century princess defying the patriarchy and asserting herself as a strong independent woman.
@maximeperez-raymond3346
@maximeperez-raymond3346 4 года назад
@@whitworth5s248 and napoléon 1er and his grognards show their face and sing the ognion song.
@venator0405
@venator0405 3 года назад
I mean, I dont think it's a bad idea to portray ancient and medieval violence as horrific, as long as you do it frankly and without being ham-handed, or have characters look at it from an anachronistic perspective.
@Matt-dy7uq
@Matt-dy7uq 4 года назад
Almost back to back hour long videos. Shad you’re too kind to us.
@ravenwarjoy
@ravenwarjoy 4 года назад
It's the influence of the Long Man. Shad is becoming Long by association.
@anthonykeane4984
@anthonykeane4984 4 года назад
Arise shad sword longman
@gabriellloyd
@gabriellloyd 4 года назад
please no more hour long vids!
@lillyanneserrelio2187
@lillyanneserrelio2187 4 года назад
its long because there is THAT MUCH wrong with the movie. I know my statement isnt true because if that was true, Shad's critique videos on Disney's Star Wars Force Awakens would be a week long. Sory Rey, Im a fellow woman and tried to appreciate the 'strong female heroine" message BUT your character annoyed even me. Rey, you are now tied with adoloscent Anakin Skywalker at his most whiny, petulant scenes in the prequels. (Jar Jar still holds #1 spot as most annoying character.)
@michaelsloanedog
@michaelsloanedog 4 года назад
But longman bad
@medievalgirl002
@medievalgirl002 4 года назад
Never mind Henry, the French were fighting each other for several years before Agincourt. The King's own brother, Louis Duke of Orleans was murdered in 1407, probably on the orders his cousin, John 'The Fearless' Duke of Burgundy. Who ended up being murdered himself in 1419. Two factions formed, led by the Duke of Orleans, the brother of the King, and the Duke of Burgundy, who kept fighting each other and vying for power in the vacuum left by the mad and often incapacitated King Charles VI.
@frankie3010
@frankie3010 Год назад
There is no probably. John the Fearless was very happy to tell anyone who'd listen that he did it.
@rickyricardo5441
@rickyricardo5441 4 года назад
It’s a shame he didn’t mention more on the fighting. There were no sword stabs through plate armor like a lot of Hollywood does. Also the use of a hammer/mace by Henry to defeat armor was something I haven’t seen done often in many movies. Armor was defeated how it would of been.
@TentaclePentacle
@TentaclePentacle 4 года назад
according to historical records in the battle Agincourt, the french knights charged on their horses, but they got stuck in the mud on the field. The english longbow fired at point black range and slaughtered them. Most of the arrows killed the horses and the horse died and fell on top of the knights. Then the skirmishers moved in to finish off the knights while they were trapped under their horses.
@kingmalric9260
@kingmalric9260 4 года назад
Poor bastards
@MoonLight-zj8iu
@MoonLight-zj8iu 4 года назад
Oh god that's fucking brutal.
@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486
@thebuddhaofknowledgemichae2486 4 года назад
TentaclePentacle it's a movie. Henry V was surrounded by bodyguards in the battlefield.
@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821
@somerandomguyfromthebeyond1821 4 года назад
@@MoonLight-zj8iu the English in the Medival era had a reputation of being rather ruthless in warfare
@Nantosuelta
@Nantosuelta 4 года назад
A large part of the english archers effectiveness against the french knights at Agincourt was due to the bodkin arrow head which could pierce plate armor much better than previous designs.
@Dadecorban
@Dadecorban 4 года назад
Decrying the legitimacy of all monarchy in the 1400s is akin to a modern person arguing that democracy in all its form is illegitimate compared to a hypothetical and unspecified system that may exist 400 years from now. (like some form of neural linked AI assisted global consciousness technocracy)
@Gew219
@Gew219 4 года назад
While being the democratically elected official from the Kennedy family on top of that.
@AdriiPing
@AdriiPing 4 года назад
Remember, Palpatine loves democracy too :v
@TheBelrick
@TheBelrick 4 года назад
And promoting democracy in the face of a world that is perpetually abusing democracy, anti brexiters, trump coups, parties elected because they own the media etc etc. is fucking laughable
@taxuenowoz4038
@taxuenowoz4038 4 года назад
Oh I could only hope for such a thing.
@sps6374
@sps6374 4 года назад
What? Ever heard of Augustine, Thomas of Aquinas, William of Ockham or Etienne de la Boétie ? Plenty of highly-regarded intellectuals of their times discussed the legitimacy of monarchy, its limits and the limits of both secular and religious rule, as well as the consent of the people to be ruled and to depose tyrans, both in medieval times and during the Renaissance (as well as they had long before, and continued after...). As a species we haven't evolved so fast that our ancestors were completely different beings, unable to form the thoughts that we have and to conceive of anything different from what they had in place.
@USN1985dos
@USN1985dos 3 года назад
I actually thought the Outlaw King was too "hollywood" and vastly preferred the King. I thought the depiction of Henry V as an introspective man trying to do right by his kingdom and avoid his father's mistakes and the manipulations of his advisors was well done.
@ciaranmck4469
@ciaranmck4469 3 года назад
It was but it was far from what the real Henry V was like Its much more gritty than outlaw king but Henry V sounds just so much cooler in real life then what we see in the movie
@averageraiden9900
@averageraiden9900 10 месяцев назад
How he was in real life is unkown, people talk like they knew the guy in person, having only glimpses of what was written about this public figure. Its easy to fit in what we want to believe of him, but its always good to remember he isnt your rpg character
@averageraiden9900
@averageraiden9900 10 месяцев назад
And I totally agree with outlaw king being too hollywood id even say a bit generic. I rly liked the king.
@wehrewulf
@wehrewulf 7 месяцев назад
You thought...poorly.
@danmartin313
@danmartin313 3 года назад
Medieval England: "Absolute riiiyoottt of colours" Modern day England: "Have you got a licence for them colours m8?"
@romyarmada9580
@romyarmada9580 3 года назад
Loicence
@irarelyupload6930
@irarelyupload6930 3 года назад
Is there supposed to be a joke here?
@Gew219
@Gew219 4 года назад
"All monarchy is illegitimate." That's rich comming from a princess. Man, who wrote this garbage?
@GuitarsRockForever
@GuitarsRockForever 4 года назад
Just a little rich.🤣🤣🤣
@probablythedm1669
@probablythedm1669 4 года назад
Yeah, like, wtf... Would she not believe her family's right to rule was the literal will of God? Very weird...
@totocaca7035
@totocaca7035 4 года назад
Just a period these biches go through. Once they're in, they know what the biz is about.
@totocaca7035
@totocaca7035 4 года назад
Ask liz.
@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight
@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight 4 года назад
I bet she doesn’t believe in queens either. Would probably use airbending to kill monarchs.
@Boyzby
@Boyzby 4 года назад
I will never understand the need to spruce up historical things. They were already interesting as is, we don't need people to muddle it with their ideas and turn real people into bland characters.
@SamuriLemonX18
@SamuriLemonX18 4 года назад
Tell that to Shakespeare.
@jacquesstrapp3219
@jacquesstrapp3219 4 года назад
SamurLemonX18 Shakespeare isn't taking calls. Typical arrogant playwright.
@ozymandias3456
@ozymandias3456 4 года назад
Well in this particular movie, having a subplot of the assassin give an excuse to do the real life thing of battling france but also give us the unlikely bit that Henry didn't want to do that as it lets us connect with him.
@FPSBloodlust
@FPSBloodlust 4 года назад
It's SHAKESPEARE, you uncultured fuckin moron
@NicoSavio2395
@NicoSavio2395 4 года назад
"William the conqueror was French!" *angry Lindybeige noises
@brucetucker4847
@brucetucker4847 4 года назад
He was a native French speaker, though.
@mitsumichi5325
@mitsumichi5325 4 года назад
As a French, It always amuse me each time I see British people getting annoyed to see William or his 1066 army being called French. It seems that to hear they've been dominated by Frenchmen at some point in history is something they really can't stand.
@blazeaglory
@blazeaglory 4 года назад
@@mitsumichi5325 He was Norman. That would be like calling a Welshman English
@mitsumichi5325
@mitsumichi5325 4 года назад
@@blazeaglory I do not agree for Wales was already a distinct, independent and ancient kingdom with its own people, culture and language that have only been conquered and annexed by the kingdom of England in 1283. They became politically part of England but kept their culture and language and managed to keep at least a part of its identity even until today since it's still considered a distinct _country_ from its conqueror, England. To me a Wales comparison would be much more relevant with Brittany rather than Normandy. Actually, if Normandy should be compared to a British region, it would be much more relevant to compare it with the Danelaw, don't you think ? Except Danelaw was a big independent Kingdom carved out of the little English kingdoms of Northumbria, Mercia and East-Anglia and finally reconquered by the Kingdom of England in 954 after a century of wars. Normandy, on the other hand, has never been a distinct country. It was a duchy that was created in 911 inside the Kingdom of France for the Viking chieftain Rollon in exchange of his vassalage and conversion to Christianity. It attracted thousands of Norses to settle here but much less than the whole Danelaw did (actually a lot of Norse settlers came from Danelaw to flee the war rather than Scandinavia). They imported their culture and language but remained a minority inside the local French population and quickly intermixed with them. They kept a much more peaceful cohabitation with their neighbouring counties. 150 years later when Guillaume, Rollon's great-great-great-grandson, prepared for his invasion, him and his Norman soldiers probably looked much more French than Norse on many levels. In fact, if you look at the Bayeux Tapestry made in the 1070's on Guillaume's half brother orders, you'll see that Guillaume is presented as "Duke of the Normans" but his soldiers are called... "Franci", "French" in latin. But to be fair, this tapestry was probably made by Englishmen and Guillaume's army didn't just include Normans but thousands of Bretons, Picards, Flamans... So it's much more logic to call this a French Army since that's the only geographical/political delimitation that include all these people place of origin. So, from my point of view, calling a 1066 Normandy man "French" would be more like calling a 1066 Norfolkman "English".
@NeoZeta
@NeoZeta 4 года назад
@Hornyshark Meh~ they were essentially French, everyone knows that, only the English refuse to accept that.
@phosphoros60
@phosphoros60 4 года назад
Whenever I read "Duchy of..." I can't help but remember that glorious moment where CNN referred to William and Kate as the Douche and Duchess of Cambridge.
@janandreiyanoyan8825
@janandreiyanoyan8825 4 года назад
LOL Is there a video of that?
@mjlamey1066
@mjlamey1066 4 года назад
The entire time watching this movie, I kept thinking "wasn't Henry a 6'3", well-built, scarfaced, battle-hardened motherfucker by the age of 20?" And that one thought alone killed the movie for me, before I even got to the later travesties
@commiemeth
@commiemeth 4 года назад
To my Knowledge Henry wasn't 6'3 more likely 6 flat because there really wouldn't be such a huge deal about Edward IV being 6'4. In all accounts I've read Henry V isn't all that tall but that's just me he is personally not a favorite king of mine so maybe that's why
@viorp5267
@viorp5267 4 года назад
Wait 6'3 holy fucking shit. Wasn't a thing about medieval people that they were way shorter than we are now. That must be like 2 meters now.
@boguslav9502
@boguslav9502 4 года назад
@@viorp5267 i dont thibj they were necesaaeily much smaller to be honest. I have a suspicion that we see a growth fron abtiquity to the earky medieval. Recession on height in thr middle medieval and a slow rise since the late medieval.
@viorp5267
@viorp5267 4 года назад
@@boguslav9502 I do think they were smaller. Whenever I go to medieval castles I need to duck my head all the time and I am only 1.70cm I can't imagine anyone living comforably in a medieval castle if they were above 1.65 cm in height. You also see that with historical armor if you go to a museum it seems to be made for people between 1.60 and 1.65 cm. though the are exceptions of course.
@boguslav9502
@boguslav9502 4 года назад
@@viorp5267 thats why i say it depends on the age, i do believe we see a decrease in meat consumption heqding into the middle medieval and i believe most castles are buikt in this period. Ive been to skansens that represent early medieval living and they seem not muvh shorter than mod3rn persons. Which is why im making my suggestion. Id need to see if there is a paper of human remains throughout history but i would be suprised if antiwuity sported rather robust peoples. And we saw a dip as diet changed and a resurgence od height as meat became popular.
@enlightenedterrestrial
@enlightenedterrestrial 4 года назад
It's funny when a computer game from 2006 (Medieva 2 Total War) can depict a medieval combat engagement more realistically than a movie from 2019.
@Yora21
@Yora21 4 года назад
It's not about "can", it's about "want".
@maxximo2367
@maxximo2367 4 года назад
Man, Total War told me more about medieval history than my school ever could. I love the Total War games.
@elasolezito
@elasolezito 4 года назад
@@slovencleta Yea, i hope the next historical title takes place in late medieval times along with pike and shot, hats off to them if they manage to make the formations as realistic as possible. Warhammer will be top for me and as a Greek i appreciate the Trojan war but c'mon enough with fantasy and superhero duels. There's so much depth and things to cover in these centuries!
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 4 года назад
Because a video game doesn't actually need masses of real people, armor, etc
@enlightenedterrestrial
@enlightenedterrestrial 4 года назад
@@slovencleta I just wish they would give us back the hotseat co-op campaign mode, so that we can play with multiple players, without the need to be online all at once. I also enjoyed the slow paced combat of Medieval 2 compared to the newer releases.
@DngrDan
@DngrDan 3 года назад
While it wasn't as historically accurate as it should have been, you've really got to appreciate the realism in combat this movie had. Most medieval movies have guys slicing through armor with their swords like butter. In real life, knights would bash each other with their weapons repeatedly and most kills between them were done with smaller blades through weak points in their armor. The siege sequence was also quite realistic.
@lindgrenland
@lindgrenland 4 года назад
Lemme guess: it's dark and gloomy, and they mumble a lot? This actually hurts me physically from how dull it looks
@shadfacts6465
@shadfacts6465 4 года назад
Shad Facts: Shad has performed the bag of rats, cleave, whirlwind trick, but with Elder Dragons. Shogoth will not be bothering us for another 10000 years
@mralfey
@mralfey 4 года назад
Finally! Shad has liked Shad Facts!
@majergens
@majergens 4 года назад
It is a shame that some feel the need to pander to a particular audience by injecting modern social commentary into a script. We cannot learn about (or from) history if distortions are deliberately introduced. Shame on the film makers and script writers!
@jacobr2022
@jacobr2022 4 года назад
Honestly they should have let us do the thinking and not make the characters tell us how to feel about everything like she did.
@cianmurphy7265
@cianmurphy7265 4 года назад
make and watch bland films if you want. if you find accurate depictions amusing enough to make a film... watch a documentary. leave narrative and film making to those who know what there doing
@whitworth5s248
@whitworth5s248 4 года назад
cian murphy The “just turn off your brain and enjoy it” defense for trash movies is a bad argument.
@guypierson5754
@guypierson5754 4 года назад
@@cianmurphy7265 We do want to leave it to those who know what they are doing. Unfortunately, none of those who know what they are doing were involved in this revisionist dumpsterfire of a film. It was SO bland and shit: WE KNOW the real events. The real events were WAY more exciting than this slow dragging dogshit. You are trying to defend it in many posts, but I think instead you should go read a few books about that campaign, an accurate depiction of the campaign and its epic final showdown would have been AMAZING, but that would have taken peopl who care about making good films, not just crappy cashgrabs like this one was.
@TimePlayerOfficial
@TimePlayerOfficial Год назад
@@guypierson5754 Medieval chroniclos and history are glorified to an extent, the events you believe to be "Epic" were probably altered by the winner, it's the nature of humans, and that nature does not evolve in just the matter of a few hundred years.
@DoomVideoVault
@DoomVideoVault 4 года назад
>Expensive >Shows Oblivion horse armor This made me laugh.
@DogWalkerBill
@DogWalkerBill 4 года назад
Just checking, was the daughter of King Charles the 6th named, "Mary Sue"?
@yoyo-lf3ld
@yoyo-lf3ld 3 года назад
What evidence do you have that women were just slaves back in the day?
@astartesfanboy5294
@astartesfanboy5294 3 года назад
@@yoyo-lf3ld nobody said that? Literally he didnt mention anything about that. Are you ok man? Seems your heads a bit too far up your own ass to be safe
@Halo_Legend
@Halo_Legend 3 года назад
@@astartesfanboy5294 He tastes his food twice in its digestive cycle
@AnimaVox_
@AnimaVox_ 4 года назад
I'm actually taking a course on early European history, and coincidentally, we recently covered the Hundred Years' War, so the facts are still fresh in my mind. It's crazy to think that the Henry V film from the 80s that's based on the Shakespearean play has a more accurate depiction of the armor than a modern-made movie that probably had more resources at its disposal.
@lecabillaud6060
@lecabillaud6060 4 года назад
As you say, the Kenneth Branagh 1991 movie was far better and more accurate (despite the fact that it is entirely based on the play).
@guypierson5754
@guypierson5754 4 года назад
@@lecabillaud6060 1989 I saw it... did it have multiple releases?
@lecabillaud6060
@lecabillaud6060 4 года назад
@@guypierson5754 As it seems, the original release was 1989, but only 1991 in France. You know, Agincourt... pretty poor name here in France... Just joking : most non-American movies had late french releases that time. Not anymore.
@pypy1986820
@pypy1986820 4 года назад
Get off nostalgia goggles please. That 80s movie has Henry fighting on horse back in a padded coat and French knights being penetrated and killed by English arrows like WWI infantry facing machine guns. And let's not forget no one took a pot shot at the English king when he goes into long monologues right beneath French ramparts
@AnimaVox_
@AnimaVox_ 4 года назад
@@pypy1986820 Uh, what? I have no nostalgia for that film, I hadn't even been born yet in that decade. I watched it for the first time a few years back as an adult. Please don't make such assumptions, you don't actually know anything about me. And I didn't even say it was totally accurate, I just said the armor was more accurate in comparison to 'The King.'
@BioHunter1990
@BioHunter1990 4 года назад
The whole bit with Catherine made me roll my eyes. They really tried to shove the “I’m a strong independent wamans!” shtick with her. It’s so anachronistic and ridiculous.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 4 года назад
Agreed
@nealsterling8151
@nealsterling8151 4 года назад
Not just that, it comes of as extremely arrogant and unlikeable.
@BioHunter1990
@BioHunter1990 4 года назад
Neal Sterling a character moment made just to appease a group of identitarians coming off as arrogant and unlikable? *You don’t say!*
@nealsterling8151
@nealsterling8151 4 года назад
@@BioHunter1990 Not only just that, but i was also refering to the performance of the actress.
@haillobster7154
@haillobster7154 4 года назад
Like we needed any further confirmation that this pseudo Henry is a wishy washy whiny whimpering wimp.
@PieterKleij
@PieterKleij 4 года назад
According to the great 'Agincourt, The King, the Campaign, the Battle' book by Juliet Barker there were also trebuchets and mangonels at the siege. Henry hired a team of 78 people who were responsible for the guns. The Master gunners probably all came from the Netherlands. This book is really worth getting.
@TrollDragomir
@TrollDragomir 4 года назад
Can we have like one or two medieval movies that aren't about England?
@eddgrs9193
@eddgrs9193 4 года назад
No, we can't. As long as America is the biggest market, we will only get big budget medieval movies about England. There was a time when Hollywood made movies like "El Cid", but that era is over. So enjoy your Robin Hood re-re-re-...-remakes.
@TooJubeJM1
@TooJubeJM1 4 года назад
No. This is what people want.
@guypierson5754
@guypierson5754 4 года назад
@@eddgrs9193 Man, El Cid. I'm from Spain, we know the film is innacurate as all get out, but we still love it cuase Hollywood seldom comes knocking on our historical epics for inspiration.
@ivanvoronov3871
@ivanvoronov3871 4 года назад
Well then the characters will have to speak with subtitles and Americans cant read)) seriously though, the best historical film I think is kingdom of heaven, the directors cut specifically. It is really really good , and it set away from England
@zekun4741
@zekun4741 4 года назад
@@ivanvoronov3871 >kingdom of heaven >historical
@palpatinethesenatehog7086
@palpatinethesenatehog7086 4 года назад
Manga:☺ Anime:😊 Netflix adaptation:😨
@lordofthepizzapie9319
@lordofthepizzapie9319 4 года назад
Henry V, my favorite manga.
@palpatinethesenatehog7086
@palpatinethesenatehog7086 4 года назад
@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Mine's Henry the VIII
@ifikrates
@ifikrates 4 года назад
What about the damn lances? Maybe I missed something in your review, but it appears that Netflix has some weird embargo on lances (as in the Outlaw King - you mentioned it there) which is all the more mind boggling: not only are they historically accurate, but also would have made the battle scene look so much cooler. A cavalry charge just with swords seems to be completely pointless.
@robwright1286
@robwright1286 2 года назад
A cavalry charge with maces would be more pointless 😏😌
@Buzzy_Bland
@Buzzy_Bland 2 года назад
I imagine it’d be *extremely* dangerous to film with even faux lances. You can’t even really spar with practice spears without being at serious risk of injury. I heard someone in the comments of the battle scene mention that the heads of the polearms the dismounted men at arms when they were charged were added in post because of how deadly they would be in the event of an accident. I have absolutely nothing to confirm this, mind you, but it’s food for thought.
@arthurpendragonsyt
@arthurpendragonsyt 4 года назад
I was particularly disappointed we didn't get the Battle of Shrewsbury. Like we're so used to seeing and hearing English longbowmen engaging armoured men-at-arms and crossbows, the idea of two English armies engaging each other with longbowmen (like in the War of the Roses) would have been pretty interesting to see, not to mention it would have been a good way to show that Henry was a good soldier.
@x12_79
@x12_79 Год назад
while it may not have been historically accurate, I think the movie was pretty good piece of art. Unless you are looking for a history lesson, I think the movie is definitely worth a watch.
@selocan469
@selocan469 Год назад
Definetely agree with you there.
@christopherbravo1813
@christopherbravo1813 11 месяцев назад
perhaps by modern standards, but I can think of several things you could do instead that would be much more worth your time.
@pougetguillaume4632
@pougetguillaume4632 4 года назад
The most outrageous for me is how they made the invader look like victims: Henry the 5th, a gentle and peaceful man? What's next! The dauphin Louis the guyenne at the battle of agincou... waaaaaaaaait.....
@Gabrong
@Gabrong 4 года назад
Well, the same happens with movies about Americans fighting at anywhere. "We are going to invade your country and then make a film about how our soldiers suffered from it"
@weld546
@weld546 4 года назад
@Holden Mcgroine it's not true ?
@darkadrien14
@darkadrien14 4 года назад
@@weld546 more like abandonned by their high command. they didn't receive any reinforcements during the entire day du to a cut in communication...
@walesdoesntsuck6635
@walesdoesntsuck6635 4 года назад
Henry had a legitimate claim to the French throne
@pougetguillaume4632
@pougetguillaume4632 4 года назад
@@walesdoesntsuck6635 it's irrelevant, plus it's not like peasant who were raided by roaming mercenaries and english chevauchée were all that concerned in whose buttock would end on the french throne.
@mariarogers74
@mariarogers74 4 года назад
Glad I'm not the only one that was let down with "The King" when "The Outlaw King" was such a good medieval movie, I honestly felt bored watching this movie when with the other one I was invested and wanted to see the underdog succeed. This movie though, it made something that happened in history seem like the British decided to take a skip and a hop across the pond to see how their neighbor France was doing and decided let me just buy up some land, they weren't using it. But the way the battle was shot was clearly inspired by the battle scene from season 6 of game of thrones and that's just cheap to rip-off good cinematography for that scene to to get a cool battle scene. It's true the British did send men up to lure the French into their trap, but they didn't really engage them in a full-blown skirmish because they didn't have the men to fight the French hench why they set the trap. This battle is famous for the British shooting thousands of arrows every few seconds because that's all they really had, that's why we still talk about it to this day over 500 years later merely because of how outnumbered king Henry was and the tactics he used to defeat the French.
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 4 года назад
One minor nitpick, it's the English, not British. At this point in time there really wasn't a Great Britain just yet, so it was the English vs. the French.
@mariarogers74
@mariarogers74 4 года назад
@@Riceball01 Thanks for catching that, I forgot they were still in conflicts with Ireland and Scotland. Wales was the only one they had full dominion over at the time, sorry about that, my bad lol.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
@@VentureHolly Haha yep. Not to mention the fact that literally any time anyone rebelled against the English throne, for whatever reason, they had the support of the King of Scotland.
@MapEffects
@MapEffects 4 года назад
From a filmmaking perspective, there's a reason for the muted color palette that may not be an accurate reflection of history. Muted colors are closer together on the color wheel as they push closer to the grays, which leads to smoother color harmony overall. Then, when you want to draw the eye of the viewer to a certain person or area, you can increase the saturation or hue of a particular color just slightly to create color contrast. But, if you have bright colors on your background (As in the example you shared of the brightly colored walls) and all your characters are equally brightly colored and saturated...it's kind of like an orchestra that has no subtlety and is just blasting away with their instruments and demanding attention. It becomes a visual onslaught as the viewer is unsure of the subject in a particular shot. Color theory is a huge topic unto itself, so this is just a brief comment to hopefully inform a little bit as to why a lot of movies choose a more muted color palette. Color is extremely subjective though and up to personal taste. Just know...there are often artistic reasons why filmmakers, photographers, and painters color grade or use the hues that they do.
@lolkilolmaster6041
@lolkilolmaster6041 4 года назад
Good points. One thing which I missed personally from your review was the impact on that the french knights didn't have any large interest in fighting the longbowmen on the flanks. Instead, they rushed to the English center in order to acquire captives of the English man-at-arms for ransom. The purpose (they were of course ordered by the French king for doing so as well) for going to war for many knights was economical during this and previous time periods. There is no gain in killing peasants. By doing this they got stuck by the mud and got packed together in the center so many couldn't move or even use their weapons effectively.
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 года назад
Netflix is the king of making historical inaccuracies
@ethanlocke3604
@ethanlocke3604 4 года назад
This pun made me very happy
@Ideo7Z
@Ideo7Z 4 года назад
History Channel: Hold My Beer...
@AkodoAkira1
@AkodoAkira1 4 года назад
Yeah, I think we need to give the Crown to History Channel. I never knew that aliens were so involved with our history (especially in building things white people didn't). Have you seen Vikings? After them I think the Princedom goes to A&E or Bravo (whoever is doing the Anglo Saxon shows) and after that we might have Netflix as the... Jack? Maybe Knight.
@demo0831
@demo0831 4 года назад
historical inaccuracies doesnt mean its a bad show its just not historically accurate
@demo0831
@demo0831 4 года назад
ah wait thought he was reviewing a trailer nevermind
@sirPiteye
@sirPiteye 4 года назад
Didn't the English, have wooden barricades and stakes to protect their archers?
@jimmy5391
@jimmy5391 4 года назад
Niels Vergouwen indeed they did. I think at the battle of crecy, after the French cavalry charged the English longbow men the English charged back with the hammers they used to drive the stakes in, as well as swords and axes and such
@guypierson5754
@guypierson5754 4 года назад
Yeah, always: they picked the spot and dug in because they were trying to retreat and were caught by the French, so they knew it was do or die time, they fortified their position with stakes, horsetripping ditches, anything they could get together, its NO joke to be charged by massed lances, you don't try clever tricks, "take your armour off" or any of that silly shit, you dig a ditch and put spikes on your side of it, you pray to St. Crispin, you make sure you have every little bit of armor tied on very tight, you get your arrows all stacked vertically, you might even roll some carts over on their side and climb on them, you do everything you can. Because if that massed charge of lances hits you at speed, you are gone, done, a kebab, a footnote in history.
@mikeg2092
@mikeg2092 4 года назад
When I saw there were no stakes I knew I'd be disappointed.
@KnightsandCastles
@KnightsandCastles 4 года назад
They did. The fact is, English were less and exhausted, but they were afraid French fot the reinforcement Busicout waited. So they had to come closer and start shooting arrows. May be that what film fails to show.
@ricvious7917
@ricvious7917 4 года назад
The movies is a crime againts french history.
@korstmahler
@korstmahler 4 года назад
It's a crime against all history, even the parts it doesn't cover.
@Dom-fx4kt
@Dom-fx4kt 4 года назад
@Mighty Triballian What do you mean by more 'traditionalist?' If you mean by the code of chivalry, then at the battle of Agincourt you would be right, as the Henry V through chivalry out the window to get his much smaller English force, the upper hand. He ordered the execution of hid French prisoners which almost numbered the same size of their actual army for fears that the French were about to counter attack and the prisoners might rise up without having enough people to guard them.
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
@@Dom-fx4kt Sorry to be that kind of guy, but, it is "Henry V *threw* chivalry out the window", that is how you spell the past tense of the verb "to throw". Sorry, not trying to be an ass here, I just felt a little bugged by that mistake there, because it looks like you're saying a different word entirely.
@Dom-fx4kt
@Dom-fx4kt 3 года назад
@@MrDibara lol yeah my bad, I can get carried away when typing fast, and say the wrong thing.
@MrDibara
@MrDibara 3 года назад
@@Dom-fx4kt It's okay, we all do it every now and then and we'll keep doing it in the future. So long as we can avoid some more _atrocious_ typos or ones that could lead to a misunderstanding, we should be fine. Have a great day! 👍
@ninavale.
@ninavale. 4 года назад
the colors and pictures in castles and medieval buildings make sense when you remember that the majority of people were illiterate. Now, in before and just to be clear, oral storytelling was a thing but a picture on the wall is kind of more easily and readily accessible. You can see it at all times. Like illiteracy is one of the reasons why catholic churches have so many murals and pictures in them. That and the fact that masses were held in Latin so most of the people wouldn't even know what the heck the priest is even talking about. So they had pictures. as for the general Hollywood, they're always going by the centuries-long misconceptions about middle ages that started in Renaissance and continued through the other time periods, because people wanted more reasons to make their timeline even more awesome and revolutionary. Hence the propaganda against middle-ages. It was like 'look, we returned to the higher culture from the dark, dark regressive ages'.
@sartanawillpay7977
@sartanawillpay7977 4 года назад
Thanks for slamming the "woke" version of Henry V. BTW Several aspects of the film are direct slaps at Shakespeare. 1. The tennis balls are shrugged off by Henry rather than being met with disdain and a witty remark. 2. The whole discussion of the illegitimacy of the French invocation of the Salic Law is dismissed by Henry with a shrug, when it was the basis for his claim to the French throne. 3. Falstaff is a humorous low character in Shakespeare, here he is made the brains behind the victory at Agincourt. 4. Rather than having Henry attempting to woo Katherine in the closing scenes, Katherine tells off Henry with anachronistic feminist and anti monarchist attitudes. 5. Henry V is a portrayed as ultimately a loser rather than "this Star of England," whose infant son was "crowned king of England and of France." Shakespeare had many historical inaccuracies in his play but it is far superior to this film's version.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
I mean, at the end of the day he was kind of a loser though. He died of Dysentery at like 24, and his infant son to be squabbled over by forces that ended up ripping apart both Kingdoms and erasing every single one of his gains. The fact that Henry VI was crowned King of both France and England doesn't mean all that much, especially when you consider his utterly dismal tenure on the throne and the result of his rule.
@sartanawillpay7977
@sartanawillpay7977 4 года назад
@@SRosenberg203 His son was the loser because he and his advisors blew it. Can't retroactively blame Henry V for later decisions by others. Henry V achieved recognition as heir to the French throne by arms and diplomacy. Yes he died (at 35) but who doesn't die at some point. Anyway my post was about Shakespeare's Henry V and where I thought the film was taking deliberate swipes at the play. This point is more of difference of the overall evaluation of Henry V than a direct reference.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
@@sartanawillpay7977 Wow he was 35? I was way off, that's wild. Thanks for the correction. I think I always think of him as dying in his 20s cause the year he died was 1422 and my mind has somehow created that association. I hardly think an infant King can be blamed for much. Plus, Henry VI was mentally incompetent. If he lived today and committed a crime, he'd be found 730'd, found unfit to stand trial. Henry V died after taking sick during the Siege of Meaux, which occurred AFTER the peace settlement with Charles. Why was he perpetuating war against a kingdom that he was officially the heir to? I think we're gonna have to just agree to disagree on the status of his losership lol
@sartanawillpay7977
@sartanawillpay7977 4 года назад
@@SRosenberg203 We aren't 100% sure of the year of his birth so 35 might be a year off. You are right of course, Henry VI cannot bear the greatest weight for the loss of the throne of France, even though he was in his 20s when France was finally lost. Even Shakespeare blames his advisors.: " Whose state so many had the managing, That they lost France and made his England bleed." Nevertheless, regardless of fault, he was the king who lost his throne. BTW At the Siege of Meaux, Henry V was fighting supporters of the Dauphin who refused to recognize the treaty of Troyes that the French King and estates general had ratified. He was not simply "fighting France" but a faction within it . It is complicated, they weren't "rebels" per se as they considered the King to have signed under duress. I agree that we will not agree on the status of Henry V's losership, but hopefully we can agree he prosecuted the war because he wanted to, not because he was a reluctant unambitious soul tricked into war by a "false flag operation" as the movie portrays.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
@@sartanawillpay7977 Agreed, on that last bit.
@RikkiSan1
@RikkiSan1 4 года назад
The moment I watched this the other day I thought "Shad is going to rip this one apart"
@Mailed-Knight
@Mailed-Knight 4 года назад
I thought he give a little bit more praise to the fact that no one is chopping through armour like butter.
@UndercoverDigital
@UndercoverDigital 4 года назад
You know it's bad when an absolute know nothing like me sees Henry's armour and even "I" could tell something wasn't quite right with it...
@darthioan
@darthioan 3 года назад
The movie is based on Shakespeare's plays on the subject (Henry IV, Henry V), and makes this very clear through its dialogue and how it is delivered. All of the fight scenes are clearly meant to serve the story rather than be a thing on their own. Modern nonsense aside (royal legitimacy, strong female, etc), the whole thing worked better than expected for me.
@Yora21
@Yora21 4 года назад
"Armor for horses did exist, but it was expensive." Oooh, sick burn!
@jonathanallard2128
@jonathanallard2128 4 года назад
I dont get it.
@Yora21
@Yora21 4 года назад
@@jonathanallard2128 The image was from the Oblivion horse armor DLC, which famously started the overpriced microtransactions industry.
@jonathanallard2128
@jonathanallard2128 4 года назад
@@Yora21 I see. Very niche joke, but alright. Thx for explaining.
@maximsavage
@maximsavage 4 года назад
@@jonathanallard2128 Among gamers, it's very widely known. Although, it is an older meme, so some of the youngsters might be unfamiliar with it.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 4 года назад
Only on Xbox and pc
@katnerd6712
@katnerd6712 4 года назад
Henry was a disciplined warrior king, Netflix portrays him as a lazy, self-indulgent millennial. It's kind of annoying and I imagine there's a few annoyed Brits because of it.
@edrichlouw1790
@edrichlouw1790 4 года назад
katnerd it does suck that they seem to portray all heroes as reluctant to go to war. I guess it’s because of the shift in mindset after the vietnam war
@katnerd6712
@katnerd6712 4 года назад
​@@edrichlouw1790 Yeah, probably. I think they wanted to badly to have a "hero" instead of a protagonist. It's important when doing historical dramas to realize that history doesn't really have very many heroes, and of those, none of them were kings :)
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 4 года назад
Edrich louw nah it’s because feminism has totally deballed young men.
@derek96720
@derek96720 4 года назад
"Millennial"? Is that just short-hand for "young and immature" now?
@DidierDidier-kc4nm
@DidierDidier-kc4nm 4 года назад
yes mate 100% agreed !! i was waiting the moment when is gonna to wear rainbow scarf and blue hair !!!
@funoff3207
@funoff3207 4 года назад
As soon as I saw this movie the next thing I needed was your take on it!
@trevbarlow9719
@trevbarlow9719 4 года назад
Historical inaccuracies aside, this film was almost perfect. Henry had plenty of character. 1)One can easily connect-the-dots that he was so disillusioned with his father's war-mongering, that he had long given up on seeking the crown. 2)He began to believe that he was destined to save England after his victory in hand-to-hand combat against Hotspur and his brother's death. Thus, he grew more comfortable with the role of king. 3) I don't get why you believe his father (the king) despised him. Quite the opposite appears true. One gets the impression that his father loved him and perhaps felt guilty of not heeding Henry's advice in the past. There are multiple tells that Henry was held in high esteem by just about everyone. Conclusion: he must have done something to have earned this. Its already clear that he was competent on the battlefield and in court. 4) there was a fair bit of sunshine in this film.
@gwennblei
@gwennblei 4 года назад
Also, one might wonder where the French Civilians are. During the siege, while the army is progressing on the countryside, villages are empty, in reality we know there was a lot of pillaging going on during the whole campaign, the siege of Harfleur was hard on civilians as well, and we don't even see the soldiers being killed after Henry gives the order, we don't see the effects and tragedies of an invasion war on the invaded territory and population :(
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 4 года назад
Probably because they didn't want to show Henry's army pillaging and raping their way through France
@Anglisc1682
@Anglisc1682 3 года назад
That's warfare I'm afraid
@gwennblei
@gwennblei 3 года назад
@@Anglisc1682 I agree, I just think it should have been depicted.
@Anglisc1682
@Anglisc1682 3 года назад
@@gwennblei Oh, yeah, same actually. As long itself on both sides as it actually was and not just the English. Hollywood loves to portray the English as the villain constantly and people are dumb enough to buy into the idea :P
@gwennblei
@gwennblei 3 года назад
@@Anglisc1682 I mean brutality is usually worst with the invading army, no matter the nationality, could see the damages made to English people in a movie on the Norman invasion of England for example, or in Vikings which mostly overlooks the brutality of the raids and invasions towards civilian populations, which was quite disturbing. On the other hand, English having often been the invaders in history, it makes sense for them to be often portrayed in the role of the aggressor.
@slymako
@slymako 4 года назад
The knight he fights in single combat at the start is Sir Henry "Hotspur" Percy, who was killed rebelling against Henry IV at the Battle of Shrewsbury 1403
@traflol
@traflol 4 года назад
I'm from Shrewsbury and that was the only reason i watched this film, so i was very disappointed when they didn't really focus on it that much, because that was where henry got shot in the face and i wanted to see that happen!
@slymako
@slymako 4 года назад
@@traflol especially seeing as a guy invented an entirely new medical device just to get the arrowhead out of Henry's skull
@medievalgirl002
@medievalgirl002 4 года назад
@@traflol Yeah. I know this play pretty well, and the two before it, as well as the history of Henry's reign. I just thought this whole movie was a train wreck really, and couldn't understand why they decided to wedge in the Hotspur scene. Even Shakespeare got the timing right, and puts it in Henry IV part 1, at what is meant to be very early in Henry IV's reign.
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 2 месяца назад
The best part of the Mortimer plot IRL is that Mortimer himself was the one who told Henry about it whenever the conspirators approached the former.
@mvozzo1399
@mvozzo1399 4 года назад
Henry's sheer Emo-ness had me cracking up all throughout The King.
@unrulycrow6299
@unrulycrow6299 4 года назад
It's interesting to listen to your point of view after having checked French History channel Nota Bene, where Ben addressed the question of French bashing the movie has been accused of (in which he says that, rather than being French bashing and stereotyping "urrdurr evul French prince", it feels like French people don't exist and the country itself is treated as if it was some faraway land even though it's right South of England, the coasts of each other countries are visible when the weather is fair and both countries are basically like bickering twins). Through that initial question, he expands his explanation and opinion over the way Henry was also depicted in the movie. Both videos are very complementary (with an agreement about the unnecessary addition of modern opinions), and I'm considering adding English subtitles to Nota Bene's video so everybody can check it out as well, to see the PoV of both an English-speaker and a French-speaker.
@theserpent6070
@theserpent6070 4 года назад
I personally like the movie. However, these Crimes Against Medieval Realism are inexcusable. Thanks always for your work Shad.
@StateOfMind63
@StateOfMind63 4 года назад
I agree. I disagree with Shad about Henry's actor having no character. I thought he was quite charismatic in his own way and i especially like the manipulative adviser character even though he was fictional. He kind of reminded me of Baelish "littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. I don't mind the odd liberty being taken for the sake of drama and entertainment but they probably could have kept this film more historically accurate without making it boring.
@JotaroKujo-nj4bx
@JotaroKujo-nj4bx 4 года назад
Luke S[]ame
@com.gordon4280
@com.gordon4280 4 года назад
Only the English could write the story of their king claiming another nation's throne with them being the angsty underdog. I was rooting for the French.
@lilyarnquist8503
@lilyarnquist8503 4 года назад
Sleeping Beauty definitely got the colors right for medieval clothing 😂
@jclarkent3757
@jclarkent3757 4 года назад
Damn. They missed a big opportunity. They could’ve made a more interesting film by making it more historically accurate
@benjaminfoster2005
@benjaminfoster2005 4 года назад
And a recast for the whole film
@maximeperez-raymond3346
@maximeperez-raymond3346 4 года назад
Like me disappointment about knightfall's serie. 😖
@raitoiro
@raitoiro 4 года назад
So the english find the way their king is depicted to be terrible, the french find the way they're depicted to be terrible... Who is this movie for?
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 4 года назад
Americans
@benjaminfoster2005
@benjaminfoster2005 4 года назад
@@TechnoMinarchist i can say that as an american i am also offended by this movie
@lordcorax6918
@lordcorax6918 4 года назад
Movie about english and french made by americans and australians. No need to think any further
@TealWolf26
@TealWolf26 4 года назад
Woke Hollywood trying to put in modern anachronistic morals into history to "make it more appealing" instead of trusting their audience without a "bad guy" and a "good guy."
@sunsoar1822
@sunsoar1822 4 года назад
yeah your right, they should stop trying to make medieval films altogether
@camille2881
@camille2881 4 года назад
Such a sad end for this movie, it was so promising and could have been amazing, next time just follow history and make a great movie. The more i think about this movie the more "garbage" i think it is
@juniornisthal2216
@juniornisthal2216 3 года назад
The film was never meant to be historical though. It’s an adaptation of the The Henriad a group of “historical” plays by Shakespeare
@bewing77
@bewing77 3 года назад
Henry's personality is a matter of taste; I personally enjoyed him - it's refreshing that not everyone has to be overly outgoing and gregarious. On details - there's a big difference between people of the period liking color and having access to it. Color was expensive and while the upper nobility could certainly afford it, I find it quite believable that the general cityscape and feel is not filled with color. As late as the 19th century only the richer peasants in Sweden, where I live painted their houses due to how expensive it was, most buildings were the grey of aged wood. Same thing with clothing - up until quite recently the only colors in general use were those available cheaply and most clothing for the average man and woman were undyed. As to the fight scene in the mud - I may be wrong, but it appears to me that Edward is depicted as weaing only a plate breastplate and a chainmail coif with no mail on neither legs nor arms, which would indeed make him significantly lighter. It is also noted in numerous places in historical litterature that while it's true full plate was pretty agile and that an experienced wearer could perform rather advanced maneuvers in it, getting up from the ground was more difficult in it and getting a man in plate to the ground was one of the viable options for a lesser armored man. A closed helmet certainly doesn't benefit any sort of maneuvering. So, while certainly exaggerated in the movie, I find it quite believable that there would be benefits to wear lighter armor under the conditions of the day. It should be noted that according to historical noted, the battle was fought not on soggy grass, but on a recently plowed field, wet by rains. Anyone who has walked across a plowed field knows that trying to do anything more advanced would be a challenge. On a slightly bigger scale there is the battle itself - like you said, no one knows exactly what happened, so one should prehaps refrain from criticizing the movie overly for it's accuracy here. What the litterature does indicate is the ground conditions, as said above, that is, barely traverasble at more than a walk. The English set up their men-at-arms in the center and archers on the flanks, with woods securing them from being flanked and providing a funnel which prevented the French from benefitting from their superior numbers. It is also noted that the english longbowmen initiated firing at over 200 yards - not being an archer I don't know if it's possible to fire a longbow straight at such a range as indicated in the video. In any case, the French not being able to advance at a gallop, or even a trot naturally took heavy casualties. Sources are divided - some claim the French persisted in trying to mount a cavalry charge while others claim they abandoned the horses and attempted to charge on foot. When finally arriving at the English lines, the English archers had protected their positions with sharpened stakes, noted in multiple sources as an innovative move, and this prevented the cavalry from breaking through the archers. At this point the Archers are said to have abandoned their bows and entered hand to hand combat and some sources claim many of them were not wearing shoes to help them navigate the increasingly heavy mud. As consecutive lines of French attacked the French side of the line got increasingly crowded to the point where sources claim they could no longer lift their weapons. Sources claim that the French outnumbered the English anywhere from 2-1 to 5-1 at the beginning of the battle while the causlties are reported at 5,000 to 10,000 for the french and 100-1,500 for the English, so whatever happened it was a disastrous loss for the French. How the French leadership failed to stop such a disaster has been debated, several historians believe it's a combination of eagerness and confidence among the French noble knights thinking the much smaller English army easy pickings and thus more concerned with achieving glory for themselves than the overall battle, which they though were a forgone conclusion and the efficiency of the "combined arms" tactics of the English army. To summarize - sure, the movie could have done a better job if their aim was to make an absolutely accurate historic depiction of events, but as movie battles goes, it was fair, and it captured the spirit of what happened - the French were proud and assured of victory to a fault, the English much more pragmatic and the conditions of the day favored the English to the degree where they could pull off a victory that should have been impossible. On a bigger scale - I get the impression that you state that the claim of Henry V on the crown of France is undisputable and just. That statement in a sense disqualifies the entire position of the French lineage throughout the 100 years war and over-simplifies things. Far to much happened between 1066 and 1415 to make a state that one sides claim was simply the legitimate one and the many complexities is the reason hostilities were so enduring. Of specific note is that Edward III abandoned his claims to the throne of France in 1360 in exchange for lands in France as a Vassal to the French King. Nine years later Edward took up the claim to the throne again, of course without relinquishing the holdings he had obtained and naturally the French royalty opposed this. The English house maintained this claim (which you refer to as legitimate) up until 1420, where they recognize Charles VI as King with Henry V as his son in law and legal heir, aftrer which Henry adopted the title "Heir of France". Henry's son, Henry V, an infant at Henry V's death was the only English king that actually ruled France for a period up until Charles VII was Crowned with help of Joan of Arc, which was the beginning of the end of English influence in France. The point is that the issue of the crown of France was extremely complex and both sides had strong claims which is the reason there was over 100 years of wars over them. As to the conversation Henry has with his wife to be, the French princess - while it might sound contrieved she has a good point - Henry's father, Henry IV was an usurper to the throne inherited by her own grandfather, Richard II. As mentioned, the lineage and claims was far from straight forward. Now, was it a bad movie? Depends on what you expect. If you expect it to be perfectly historically accurate, problably no. Thing is, most people who watch movies are neither knowledgable enough to know the difference nor interested - they want to watch a compelling movie. Painstaking recreations of every historic fact only appeals to a very small demographic which isn't large enough to pay the cost of making a modern movie. Sure, if it can be done and while still making the movie compelling to a general audience so be it, but even I, who am very interested in History enjoy a good movie with fictional parts over a Historically accurate one that's boring. Some stories can appeal to both camps, but not all. In any case, a movie has to be able to stand on its own. Star Wars doesn't become bad because it's not accurate to history nor a likely future. If one goes into the movie with the notion that it's fiction inspired by historic events and by Shakespear I think one enjoys it much more than one who allows himself to be annoyed by any historic inaccuracy. All in all, I found the movie enjoyable.
@Pelopen3bc
@Pelopen3bc 2 года назад
This is an interesting read but I disagree with some of your points. First, to your point about colour: using recent history and different countries isn't a good analogy. That doesn't have bearing on a discussion of 15th century England. What we do know about contemporary peasant houses in England is that a few (some still surviving today) had a simple white wash on them, even on the beams. This was cheap and was visibly done on common houses. That's not to say it was a riot of color like later Eastern European cities - it almost certainly wasn't. But the desaturated buildings are Hollywood grunge, not authentic reconstructions. To the point about armour. "I find it quite believable that there would be benefits to wear lighter armor under the conditions of the day." Well, bluntly, you shouldn't haha. This is called the "anchoring effect", defending a movie's bad decisions. Historically, Henry V wore full armour and visibly displayed his "colours" even on the campaign roads. A Burgundian knight spotted him from across the field - which wouldn't be possible with the movie's stripped down anonymous Henry. More importantly, during the battle, King Henry was struck on his crowned *helmet* , clipping it. English knights intervened to rescue him. The chroniclers said it was a lance but modern historians have sometimes changed that to an axe (not sure why). Now, what do you suppose would happen if the movie's Henry, wearing loose mail with no padding, took said historical blow to the head? Overall, while it's true the English archers were always lightly equipped to begin with, there isn't evidence English knights and men-at-arms discarded their armour before the battle. Saying otherwise is modern supposition without *evidence* . The movie's dead wrong on this point. Third, regarding the battle: "no one knows exactly what happened, so one should prehaps refrain from criticizing the movie overly for it's accuracy here" "but as movie battles goes, it was fair, and it captured the spirit of what happened" Disagree completely. Saying " *exactly* what happened" is a bit redundant. In life we don't know the exactitude of most things. Even recent crimes with forensic evidence are hotly debated, so yes naturally historical events are. However, there _is_ a consensus, even from contemporary French witnesses, of what basically happened. The "we can't know everything so anything is plausible" argument simply doesn't fly. The basics of the movie's battle, which is not just wrong but genuinely *stupid* and wouldn't work, do not even pass the basic test. The English did not send out their best men-at-arms on a "suicide mission" (the director's own words) then proceed to do a sprint into a mosh pit. That just... didn't happen. That's not the "spirit" of what happened. In summary, if you like the movie, fill your boots. Taste is entirely personal. But defending it historically requires big stretches of logic, that have more to do with setting a low bar and defending a movie you like rather than "does this match evidence?" - that answer to which across the board is a resounding *no* .
@elizagaskell7957
@elizagaskell7957 4 года назад
I agree with a scene with the French princess. Marriages in medieval times was political and of monetary gain. Arranged marriages was the norm and children were often betrothed at a young age and married very young . A royal princes would know her role was to produce the next heir and to continue the line of success for her husband. The actress should have been directed to act submissive, not challenge nor to look Henry in the eye. He just conquered France, he do whatever he wants.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 4 года назад
Well she might have been willing to look him in the eye and show some spirit, depending on her character, especially in a private setting between just the two of them. Women certainly did that. The issue with that scene was what she is SAYING, talking about ideologies that there is no conceivable way on earth that she could possibly believe in, as a person born in 1395.
@PasserMontanus
@PasserMontanus 4 года назад
Arranged marriages remain the norm among the world's one percenters.
@azarishere6442
@azarishere6442 4 года назад
@@PasserMontanus ironic
@brucetucker4847
@brucetucker4847 4 года назад
Not to mention, in her case her marrying Henry meant that her children, the descendants of the Valois kings of France, would continue to be the kings of France even though Henry had (as far as anyone at that time knew) secured that throne for his own heir, rather than the descendants of some other foreign royal family Henry might marry into instead. That was a very important consideration and large part of how the peace deal was possible at all.
@Bayard1503
@Bayard1503 4 года назад
Should have? Of course. That doesn't mean she would have behaved as was custom. There is a long loooong list of French princesses and queens who were extremely influential and powerful and didn't respect any "custom". For example the Tour de Nesle affair... just a century earlier. Or maybe Eleanor of Aquitaine? Or during the switch to the House of Bourbon and after...
@HastursQueen
@HastursQueen 4 года назад
You know, I'm so tired of THAT version of a strong woman in Movies and Books, no matter in what setting or story. And I'm a woman by myself. I just don't unterstand, what's intresting to see such a Captain Marvel, better then everyone, more intelligent then everyone, incredible strong, does not now how beautiful she is, but looks like a supermodel and all. That's so annoying to me. Oh, and really I like your thoughts on fighting and sieges, and It would be AWESOME if you do tell us what you think about the stuff going on in "the lord of the rings"-Trilogie. If you want to fall in a rage, then you could to "the hobbit" instead, I'm just saying Thrandiuls fighting-style - It's horrible. And it looks absolutley stupid, with the intention to look really cool. But It doesn't. It looks just stupid.
@sebastianwagner7334
@sebastianwagner7334 4 года назад
You probably have seen it by now already, but he sort of did. There is at least one video reviewing the Cities/fortresses in LotR. And I remember it to be good, I think.
@majorbombas
@majorbombas 4 года назад
Captain Marvel is like Superman wihout his weakness. Even now is hard to connect to superman character, because he is almost perfect in every way... But he has something that Captain Marvel never had... Superman is overpowered character, but he has big flaw - Weak mind. He is intelligent, brave etc. But its really easy to break him. Injustice series shows that really good, but in comic's it was a thing too. Superman can turn into killing machine, he can kill everyone close to him while in rage. When he loose Lois he become a tyrant. Captain Marvel on the other hand is perfect in every way. There is nothing that can break her.
@MrImastinker
@MrImastinker 4 года назад
@@majorbombas He doesn't have a "weak mind". He's actually quite intelligent. His problem is that he feels too deeply. Sometime's he's too human, letting his heart guide him rather than his head.
@majorbombas
@majorbombas 4 года назад
MrImastinker Inteligent =\= strong mind. It's totally diffrent thing
@JotaroKujo-nj4bx
@JotaroKujo-nj4bx 4 года назад
MrImastinker Intelligence and strong minded aren’t same. You can be easily broken and changed by things but be an absolute genius too
@DogWalkerBill
@DogWalkerBill 4 года назад
Years ago, I read in a miniature war gaming magazine, that on the day of battle, many of the English were suffering from dysentary. They did not wear their breeches so they could fight and defecate at the same time.
@romyarmada9580
@romyarmada9580 3 года назад
Based
@DogWalkerBill
@DogWalkerBill 3 года назад
I've learned from more recent studies that that story is not correct.
@empeureRafaelsavigny
@empeureRafaelsavigny 4 года назад
"Conquered france" he actually didn t thou, war was still on.
@Vlaadek73
@Vlaadek73 4 года назад
empeureRaf and France won the war
@empeureRafaelsavigny
@empeureRafaelsavigny 4 года назад
@@Vlaadek73 Also that point, but ya, it's show that the movie didn't really give a shit about historical reality .. also funny how they portrait us the french as an invisible threat alsmost close to the orc of lord of the ring (while the vicious and extremely violent Henry the 5 as a pacific and fucking inepte of a king.)
@pyrrhusofepirus8491
@pyrrhusofepirus8491 4 года назад
empeureRaf I honestly do wish they portrayed Henry V as he was in real life, no where near a pacifist and an inept king. He was violent and vicious yet still an able military man and an actual King, a good one from what I’ve heard but be absolutely free to correct me, but Hollywood is terrified of having their protagonist be interesting and controversial
@MW_Asura
@MW_Asura 4 года назад
The fact that they make the English seem like the "victims" and heroes here disgusts me
@maxberg980
@maxberg980 3 года назад
@@pyrrhusofepirus8491 He even slaughterd his captives and they portrayed him as an pacifist. Netflix is just the worst when it comes to moviemaking
@burner27
@burner27 4 года назад
At Harfleur, are there.... MACHICIOLATIONS!?
@mralfey
@mralfey 4 года назад
But what about the DRAGONS!!
@burner27
@burner27 4 года назад
@@mralfey indeed.
@sulphuric_glue4468
@sulphuric_glue4468 4 года назад
pyjamas: worn mcdonalds: unwrapped shad: on oh yeah
@V3NOMXIII
@V3NOMXIII 3 года назад
Hotel - Trivago I'll let myself out
@asddsdsssd
@asddsdsssd 4 года назад
I really feel like the writers watched the battle of the bastards on game of thrones and tried to replicate it but in a more historically accurate context. Watch both battles one after the next you'll see exactly what I mean.
@marc-antoinerave2572
@marc-antoinerave2572 4 года назад
True there is a similar vibe. The battle of the bastards was more climatic, also I didn't have to watch a french defeat.
@gracesprocket7340
@gracesprocket7340 4 года назад
Henry had (some) French captives executed *during* the battle of Agincourt, while it was uncertain whether the tiring English army could stand against a renewed attack (around a half of the French army was either unengaged or had reformed following their first repulse), in the lull prisoners had been taken, looting was under way and the threat of a large body of armoured (even if theoretically disarmed and surrendered) in the army rear with unknown numbers of additional French cavalry and reinforcements arriving from the surrounding area, taking up arms again was uncomfortable. He set 200 archers to execute the prisoners taken at that point, and reformed his battles for a renewal of action. Many more prisoners were collected from the field later, but the deaths among the French nobility were high, as they were better armoured and more likely to have been taken 'in' the English lines, thus among those killed, either in action, or by execution.
@thomascook6905
@thomascook6905 4 года назад
Waited so hard for this! Thank you, Shad🙋🏻‍♂️
@ThatAussieBloke1
@ThatAussieBloke1 4 года назад
Lets make a Historical movie and not even look at Wikipedia....
@mada1241
@mada1241 4 года назад
It's actually based on Shakespeare, not history.
@jimzimmer2048
@jimzimmer2048 4 года назад
Umbongo doesn’t matter
@UmbaLumba11
@UmbaLumba11 3 года назад
It’s wasn’t a fucking documentary
@moma-b
@moma-b 3 года назад
You don't understand American film industry. They only care of ONE thing. PROFIT
@couragew6260
@couragew6260 3 года назад
@@moma-b ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8CTeLy3Ujxc.html
@andrewshaw1571
@andrewshaw1571 4 года назад
Worth noting. Although the english kings spoke french, it was mostly a holdover from the norman invasion. Their french was taught from parent to child, often without being reinforced by contemporary french. This meant that by henry's reign, the accent of the english nobility was so different from the french accents due to so long being surrounded by english speaking saxons, that the french used to openly find them amusing for how brutish and gutteral it sounded. This partly caused the english nobles to bite the bullet and just learn english as their main language, embracing their separate heritage rather than being accepted by neither group.
@meeeka
@meeeka 4 месяца назад
Henry V's wife was tough; she was left as a single mother with a baby, after Henry's death. V was responsible for the death of her brother. BUT the women of the French court were different from the Brits. The French women were quite tough, witness the French She-Wolves who have been acquitted of saving the Plantagenet line earlier.
@johnnatandc
@johnnatandc 4 года назад
It seems to be a trend in movies now... where the MC is as stoic as a stone and doesn't smile or cry... it is ridiculous. And this is happening in all genres... including fiction like Cpt Marvel, for example. The main characters have the expression range of a plank... which makes it harder to relate to and people end up having or feeling more empathy and sympathy for the bad guy because he is the only one allowed to smile, cry... in overall feel. I think this is just Hollywood stupidity.
@favbubblegirl
@favbubblegirl 4 года назад
@Im Laughinq I dont think they were criticizing Timothee's acting (which I think is superb), but just the director's direction in how film characters should be portrayed as stoic and emotionless. Remember it's the director that guides the actor into how he wants a character represented and the actor follows that.
@randomnoob698
@randomnoob698 4 года назад
That's a virgin's technique to looking cool. Playing as a bad boy.
@justgetmeahandle
@justgetmeahandle 4 года назад
I have to disagree, particularly on relating to the character. The main character had various, but subtle, expressions throughout the film. His 'inexpression' shows his struggle as a man living under the shadow of his father whom he desparately wanted to be freed of; the burdens of becoming a king worthy of his people while nevigating a counsel of men with their eyes on the crown. All of these 'inexpression' emphasises the conflict our main character experienced. I'd say rewatch the scenes during the coronation feast, aftermath of the battle where he discovered the fate of John.
@dogman9291
@dogman9291 3 года назад
@@favbubblegirl Wait, "Timothee"? What sadistic parent named him "Timothee"? My god, that's abhorrent...
@JamesRDavenport
@JamesRDavenport 3 года назад
I have two theories on this stoic trend (could be wrong but hear me out.) It could be one, "The Gaming Avatar effect" i.e. protagonists have to be MC Avatars so the Viewer can interject his/her own personality into the character, do-it-yourself emotional icing. Or....because of modern false masculinity and/or scrip drug culture some people think that's how real men act...emotionless and detached like they're on anti-psychotic drugs for PTSD, anxiety and whatnot. I lean into the first idea more, just my take!
@meltedplasticarmyguy
@meltedplasticarmyguy 4 года назад
The statements you made toward the end I agree with wholeheartedly. Recently I got into a pretty bad argument with a friend about history and this growing trend of judging history with the standards of today. No matter how hard I fight this I seem to be losing ground. People are not studying history to learn the mistakes of the past in order to not repeat them, but to twist it to suit an agenda. There is no respect of the past or the lessons it teaches. I am wanting to get my degree in history and teach it how it is meant to be taught, but I am afraid that we have lost too much ground to the PC culture to make any difference.
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 4 года назад
Sadly, even with a degree in history there's no guarantee that you'd be allowed to teach history accurately, not unless you're teaching at a college and even then there's no guarantee that you'd be allowed to do so. At a grade school level you'd be required to teach from a textbook that's likely to have selected at the district level and you'd have little to no room to deviate from it, this is even more so in those states with strict testing requirements which would require you to spend more of your time teaching to the tests rather than what you know.
@applepi218
@applepi218 4 года назад
Totally feel you on this. I did a history minor/lots of undergrad research on historical women in college and the twisting of female characters like this to suit "modern sensibilities" is ridiculous. Not only is it wholly inaccurate, it also greatly diminishes the accomplishments of women throughout history. Women did actually act independently and do important things, but every movie wants to boil that down to "if was snarky to men in power or manipulated them, if not, she's not worth talking about." It's insulting.
@SchemingGoldberg
@SchemingGoldberg 4 года назад
@@Riceball01 Nowadays it's the colleges that teach woke things like gender studies, so there's 0% chance of teaching accurate history in college.
@burner27
@burner27 4 года назад
@@SchemingGoldberg tell that to my history professors who used primary sources and to my cousin who is a history professor.
@SchemingGoldberg
@SchemingGoldberg 4 года назад
@@burner27 I'm not sure if you're aware, but things have changed a lot in the past few years. Colleges aren't like how they used to be. Also, just because you can find an exception doesn't mean that there isn't a general trend.
@bosswavegaming8536
@bosswavegaming8536 4 года назад
For the first time since I started watching your videos, I must disagree. I am also a medieval enthusiast and I absolutely love realism. This, I would say, I believe is one of the best medieval movies I've seen. It might have had some differences from what actually happened, but in reality, there is absolutely no way any film could cover even 90% of them. Through actual filming, you meet difficulties, constraints and sometimes lack of resources. From what I can see, the director of the film did an amazing job at recreating a memorable moment of history and also wrapping it with an interesting story with their available resources and time.
@jupiterrising887
@jupiterrising887 2 года назад
Did you just fiddle on your phone the whole time, or did you actually watch the movie? That end scene in particular with Henry's arranged bride is a completely indefensible mess.
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