Neumann NDH-20 vs. NDH-30 (Best Headphones for Mixing & Mastering 2022)

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Neumann NDH-20 vs. NDH-30 (Best Headphones for Mixing & Mastering 2022)
Composer Daniel Willett compares the Neumann NDH-20 headphones vs the Neumann NDH-30 headphones.
This video includes a rundown of the pros and cons both Neumann NDH20 & NDH-30 headphones.
Are these the best headphones for tracking, mixing and mastering?
From Neumann about the NDH-20's
The Neumann NDH 20 is a closed-back headphone combining excellent isolation with the carefully balanced sound image and outstanding resolution you’d expect from a Neumann product. The NDH 20 is thus ideally suited to monitoring and mixing tasks, even in loud and noisy environments. Circumaural memory foam ear pads offer high long-term comfort.
From Neumann about the NDH-30's
The NDH 30 is a circumaural, open-back headphone with outstanding detail resolution and high-precision stereo imaging with razor-sharp localization. Its linear soundstage and superior transient response recommend it for the most demanding applications such as mixing and mastering.
The NDH 30 was developed with the aim of making the reference sound of a Neumann studio monitor setup, perfectly calibrated via MA 1, available everywhere in the form of an easily transportable headphone. At the same time, the NDH 30 forms its own sound reference in terms of headphone reproduction, which has become a key to success with the consumer. Its superior sound characteristics make the NDH 30 the first choice for mixing and mastering. Thanks to its high long-term comfort, it is just as excellently suited to high-precision editing.
Its high-quality construction of spring steel and aluminum as well as its pleasant handling properties are largely the same as those of the NDH 20. However, the NDH 30 is an open-back headphone, which means that its dynamic 38 mm transducers work as acoustic dipoles. This allows their highly refined sound characteristics to unfold optimally: extremely fast transient response, dry bass, uncolored mids and transparent highs. In other words, the NDH 30 has no sound coloration, but reproduces the signal 1:1.
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@dalessandromangueira Год назад

HELPED ME A LOT!!!

@yanivbenari7905 Год назад

great value - thnaks alot

3 месяца назад

Thanks man, Great review.

@rickomuzik 2 месяца назад

Love my NDH30’s was curious about the NDH20’s for tracking and you just made my decision 👌🏼

@EmilMarlindMusic 3 месяца назад

Great video! This made me decide on going with the ND20's. Thanks, you earned a sub :)

@somedude7447 2 года назад

Very helpful. Thank you!

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

That's good to hear! Thanks for your comment. :)

@whateveralaf 5 дней назад

thank you a ton !!!!!!!!!

@MustBMusic 3 месяца назад

I also had to fix the bass when I did a listen on other systems w the 20s Glad I watched your video, I’m back to being excited about my order choices

@mickeymiguel2726 2 года назад

Great and informative video

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Thank you Mickey!

@crazywildfootage Год назад

Great review bro!

@ComposerDanielWillett Год назад

Thanks Jonah! 😊

@themastroiannis 2 года назад

hey! thanks for your review! really wanted a comparison between both neumanns...from someone who works with them and knows them well. really appreciate it. just subscribed to your channel. cheers!

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Wow! Thanks for your comment. I’m so glad that this video was helpful. 😊

@jcap8391 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett Are the pads on the 20s are garbage af. Literally have them. Are the 30 pads different?

@eddietosh885 2 года назад

Appreciate you, I made my purchase after watching this.

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

You will love them! I’ve been so happy with both pairs. Game changers 💥

@TheBallTrippinHobo Год назад

which one did you buy? and how did u like it?

@g.o.9513 Год назад

Happy for you! Wondering how the headphones are?

@MatheusRizzo 2 года назад

Thanks

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Thanks Matheus! Love your music! 😀

@ndavies8 Год назад

NDH 20 with Sonarworks correction is the bomb 💥

@ComposerDanielWillett Год назад

I believe it! I imagine that they just tame the boomy bass and take out a bit in the upper mid area. Correct or no?

@ndavies8 Год назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett Spot on! Makes them sound even more like actual monitors!

@Julien_Flowers 2 года назад

good video :)

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Thanks! 😊

@steviebuoy320 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video. I'm going to trust your opinion based on your experience with the NDH 30's and your confirmation that this is not a Neumann sponsored video .

@ComposerDanielWillett 6 месяцев назад

Nope, definitely not a sponsored video. I’ve been using the 30’s now for a while and I love them for mixing. I always check the mixes on my Adam studio monitors afterwards and overall I think that the headphones are slightly more reliable.

@steviebuoy320 6 месяцев назад

Thanks a lot mate for the response much appreciated. You know what it's like on here i just wanted to be sure before i shell out £ 550 pounds. Happy New Year all the Best for 2024 . I have now subscribed to your channel. Thanks for your honesty means a lot 🙂

@gamertedd1881 Год назад

Thanks for the video. Can you tell me some not very budget audio interface that is suitable for these headphones for mixing and mastering?

@yotunheim2324 Год назад

I have a sennheiser HD630VB with the same frame. After about 5 years of using them (pretty light use I'd say) some of the plastic/rubber started to degrade (feel dirty and gooey, trying to clean them further damaged that plastic) and it made wearing them on my head feel pretty gross. Maybe the reason is because I wore them outside (exposed to sunlight, rain, wind and all other conditions of the world outside world) and these Neumanns won't have such problems, but I still want to share this problem with people. Also, parts are impossible to find on the market, the only source is dismantling broken headphones from ebay.

@cuttherecords Год назад

Thank you so much for explaining this in full details and pointing out the con. Since you said the bass is heavy, how should the bass be leveled even though I every bass is different overall . Do you turn down bass if you have everything levels or just take out a certain frequency to make the bass be satisfied at that same level. Hope this question makes since.

@cuttherecords Год назад

@RiverSongMusic 3 месяца назад

Wondering if you have compared the 30s to the Sennheiser open back 600s which I have been using. I have a set of NDH-20s on the way, and perhaps the Sennheisers are just as good as the Neuman 30s for use while mastering?

@ComposerDanielWillett 3 месяца назад

I've ever used the Sennheisers. Thanks for your comment!

@blindoptic5364 2 года назад

Awesome upload thx! Was wondering 💭 Would you happen to know how these compare to the DT 1990’s? Thx again! 🙏

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Thank you! I’ve never used those sorry.

@blindoptic5364 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett np 😉 thx for replying!

@EastPlanet 2 года назад

Great vid! Thanks so much for this comparison, it's really helpful. I purchased the NDH 20 and have been kicking myself a bit. I love the sound, but the mid-bass muddiness is turning me away for mixing. Also, I've noticed that 3+ hours with the cans on, and my ears get sore (my ears are a bit stiff and they get squished inwards). The NDH 30 pads seem to be a bit softer/bigger... would you say they feel better? Do they put a little more distance between your ear and the headphone? I feel like that would solve both the comfort and mud on the NDH 20 for me. Which leads me to the last question here: do the NDH 30 pads fit on the NDH 20s??

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Your welcome! The 30’s definitely feel like the speakers are farther from your ears. The experience is more like listening to monitors than the 20’s. The pads on the 30’s are definitely different that the 20’s. Better? I’m not sure. That’s a preference thing. The 30’s are a bit fuzzier. 😜

@EastPlanet 2 года назад

That's exactly what I've been needing to know. Really appreciate it! Gonna be trying the 30 pads out on the 20s lol. Subbed!

@electropocalypse5877 25 дней назад

I'm definitely leaning towards the NDH 20s as a daily driver (on the bus, out and about, etc) plus it seems like it's a great tool for mixing and mastering in spite of being a little pronounced in bass. I do love that bass when I'm out though (had some Skull Candy Crushers that delivered that once). These being closed-back with a good seal is a huge pro for me too. The only con for me might be the extra long cord to tie up. I'm curious (for anyone reading), do you know what tracking means? Is that playing an instrument and recording it in real time on a DAW? I'm a bit new to the mixing world. 😕

@CosmosDweller 2 года назад

Hi Daniel .... Great information--thanks 👍. Are replacement earpads available from Neumann if needed?

@doradoradoramen 9 месяцев назад

Yes, but hard to find and quite expensive (around £60) - part number is 509112 for the NDH-30

@MustBMusic 3 месяца назад

Have your earmuffs ever come off on the NDH20? If so how do you get them back on- mine have perpetually fallen off, and it has become increasingly disruptive to work. I do however like the quality and sound of them.

@billkilpatrick3465 2 года назад

You bought your own pair to maintain your journalistic integrity. Well done!

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Thanks Bill! I really like these headphones and mostly wanted to share my experience with others who may be considering purchasing them. 😊

@billkilpatrick3465 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett I appreciate what you did. I buy my own headphones as well, which allows me to grab other headphones for comparison, rather than relying on memory. I think reviewers who work out of these review-set deals with manufacturers are unable to do that. When I compared the NDH-20, I was able to check them against other hardbacks like the Beyerdynamic DT1770, the Dan Clark Audio Aeon Flux and the Focal Elegia. It was a richer experience for me because I had those cans on hand. Yours may be the only review I've seen where someone said, "Look, I've got this one and that one, and while we're all very excited about the 30, what makes it different from the 20 is the open back - and that's important because the 20, with its punchy bass, doesn't match, in its quantity of bass, quite like the 30." That was what I wanted to hear. I've got the 30 coming tomorrow for a direct comparison. I'm pretty sure I'm going to discover you nailed it. That kind of dead-on analysis is often missing from so many RU-vid headphone reviews. Keep up the good work!

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

@@billkilpatrick3465 Thank you Bill! I’m really enjoying them. 😊

@billkilpatrick3465 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett Thanks. My 30s just arrived today. They sound very much like the 20s, but - as you mentioned - the bass is not as prominent. It's ample but a little more restrained. The presentation is that much more balanced. Thanks for the heads-up. I consider your review more helpful than others I've seen.

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

@@billkilpatrick3465 Awesome Bill! It's always fun to get new gear in the mail, especially something from Neumann! :)

@seanrichards9569 2 года назад

I’ve only been able to feel comfortable setting up mixes with headphones by using Sonarworks calibration software, something I even use on my Neumann ref monitors, but this means adding latency which can be annoying when doing detailed editing as the screen isn’t telling me precisely what I am hearing. Do you feel these are good enough to remove Sonarworks and still get decent reference mixes up that won’t make me want to cry when I turn my monitors back on?

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

I’ve never tried Sonarworks, but I’ve been happy with my mixes and masters by using mostly the NDH30’s and at the last phase I double check on my Adam monitors with a sub. Works great for me! 😊

@seanrichards9569 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett if you are in a room tuned well enough not to use Sonarworks (or similar) then you are a lucky man. However, if you have access to a calibration mic maybe try the 14 day trial and set up a profile for your Adams to see what you think? It may just revolutionize things for you, especially as you seem to suggest you can’t really trust the Adams 100% without additional reference support. My room isn’t 100% ideal but I can only mix and master using my Neumann ref monitors with Sonarworks active, though I turn off for tracking and editing and am happy enough to build rough mixes on the Neumanns without, which is why I bought them over other monitors I tried. I’m not here to sell this idea to you, but as a (primarily) live engineer with 30+ years of systems tuning work under my belt I’m not afraid of the concept that most if not all speakers and rooms can benefit from additional system calibration, and that this isn’t just in the domain of Live Audio. In fact, this is one innovation that is (finally) being pushed downstream to studio environments where this has been around in the Live industry since the late 90s in some form or another. Executed in the right hands with the right product the result is nothing short of extraordinary.

@andersonsampaio5133 Год назад

NDH 30 Is amazing

@kimmossige263 3 месяца назад

Can you record vocals with these headphones without too much sound bleed? Or is this what "tracking" mean?

@MarcioLucas-mf6oy 3 месяца назад

Thanks for the review, I'm looking to buy a good closed headphone, does it work well for listening to metal? Does the bass have a good impact?

@MadLadsAnonymous Месяц назад

Don't have them, but the comment I saw was that, yes, they're perfect for listening. Just make sure to use a tube amp for casual listening. Some good ones out there under $250.

@asmrbuddy2 Год назад

Hi! which one do you think is better for listening to music?

@ComposerDanielWillett Год назад

The 20’s are better for listening to music. The bass is warmer, plus the closed back design is better for that. 😊👍🏼

@alex.muntean 2 года назад

Thanks for the review, just ordered a pair of Neumann NDH-30 today. Do you know if a (2019) 16 inch Macbook Pro headphone out could drive them or do I need to use a heaphone amp/dac? I’m thinking about portability.

@alex.muntean 2 года назад

The 16 inch MBP (2019) can drive them and so does an iPhone8 Plus, maybe not the loudest, but enough, for me anyway, you won't get the same separation as with a dedicated amp/dac but it'll suffice for regular listening. I love them, great headphones! I find that they are a little rounder / more veiled in the highs than my Neumann KH310a monitors, with a little resonance somewhere in the mids. Hope that Sonarworks will release a profile for these at some point, I'd like to try that out as well.

@MadLadsAnonymous Месяц назад

Get the portable dragon fly dac/amp

@urbanman1516 7 месяцев назад

What kind of music do you make?

@Brandon-RZ Год назад

My monitoring situation is pretty rough, I’m able to get my mids and highs correct but low end and mids always end up muddy. I wind up going back and forth to my car to get right. Which of these would be better for dialing in that?

@Brandon-RZ Год назад

I feel like I’m always heavy handed with the bass in my environment where that doesn’t translate.

@ComposerDanielWillett Год назад

The 30’s are better for mixing decisions In the low end IMHO. For your situation I would definitely choose those over the 20’s.

@JesusPiano 2 года назад

Thanks. Do the 30 also have the cable on the right? I wonder why they would have done so. Also by having the cable in the "wrong place you cant just take them off your head and put them on the table desk without having tu either place them over their aluminium back or either make a very awkward move to be able to turn them and place on the desktop over their ear pads as it should be Thanks :)

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

Both headphones have the cable on the right ear which works perfect for me because that’s where my interface is.

@JesusPiano 2 года назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett On this case its great for you but mine and my piano are both on the left And what do you do when you need to quickly and temporarily need to take them off your head and put them on top of the table?. You cant turned the way to make the airpads being the surface that touch the table top and not always is handy to place them in a headphones stand Also, I really wonder, what in the world would have made them to make such a strange decision. The only thing I can think of its just to make then different for the usual and ordinary. Could this be the reason you think? And also, what interface do you have if I may ask? I got the Arturia Audiofuse Studio which its by no means any ordinary and to be honest, even at top gain, I don't really heard then loud enough if I feel like. Its not that they sound weak but neither loud if I now and again wish so Other than that Im quite happy with my 20 with the exception that I find then to lack a good separation image not broad at all

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

@@JesusPiano Now I understand. You play piano and the headphone jack is on the left side of the piano. I suppose you could just flip them for just playing piano. Or maybe just get a headphone extension. Im not sure why they chose the right side. Maybe it’s a German thing.

@peakingmantis5331 Год назад

I'm having trouble with low end frequencies in general. Anything below 60hz is hard to hear and more of just a feeling, however with flat monitors and headphones it isn't obvious how loud these frequencies are. Only when I go to my car (or play on cheap speakers) do I discover that the low end is completely distorting. I know that there is not a "flat" pair of headphones or monitors that will highlight this problem the way a car speaker would but are there any headphones you would recommend that can show me where the low end is distorting? because I don't get that from my current headphones, the low end always sounds great until I play it on car speakers.

@Noisa Год назад

Get correction software for your headphones. Then you’ll hear it much better

@peakingmantis5331 Год назад

@@Noisa Thanks bro, I'm going to look into this

@steviebuoy320 6 месяцев назад

Hi , got them😊. Do they need burning in ? Thanks mate

@ComposerDanielWillett 6 месяцев назад

I don’t think so. I started mixing with them right away with great results.

@steviebuoy320 6 месяцев назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett Thanks again Daniel. I look forward to working with them.

@officialdreamrmusic 2 года назад

How many Ohms are the 30s and can I use them with my 2021 MacBook Pro M1?

@alex.muntean 2 года назад

120 Ohms and yes, probably. I use them with my 2019 16 inch MBP and I don't even need to push the level to the max. The separation and resolution will be better with a dedicated audio interface / amp / dac.

@officialdreamrmusic 2 года назад

@@alex.muntean Awesome I get mine tomorrow, can't wait!

@anatol1204 Год назад

Nice but you didn t say nothing about the instrument separation and soundstage for me separation is very important when the mix starts becoming busy..Maybe it would be nice make a comparison with the usual suspects dt 770 880 hd 600 etc most musicians own a pair of them..

@disco4535 Год назад

I was hoping to get some impressions on the instrument separation as well, or any melding in the FR. Usually when a headphone is very resolving, it also has great separation, so I'm assuming these are good in that category.

@cantante777 3 месяца назад

which the best for record the voice?, NDH-20 or NDH-30, at home studio, thanks a lot

@misifuz6468 3 месяца назад

Closed headphones obviously because of the better noise isolation

@keremeye 4 месяца назад

i think the ndh 20 bass might feel a little higher because the headphones sits and squeeze the head a little more than usual headphones. İt is like your pushing the headphones with your hands. When you pull the headphones even a little bit the bass level dicrease.

@MustBMusic 3 месяца назад

Reviews… lol… I just heard someone tear apart the NDH 30 more than I’ve ever heard anyone tear apart any piece of equipment. He HATED it and still liked it more than the NDH 20. I will soon be proud owner of both, either the 30s being new to me. I think I’ll like them, I liked the 20s. He talked about how he believes the NDH 30s are more for audio files than professional, audio, engineers, and how flat the sound was how dead it was … but to my understanding, the purpose of pro engineer headphones are to have the most realistic example of the sound with no equalize- flat as possible. I’m about to listen to your review now and it sounds like you’re a much bigger fan of them than this other guy was . Honestly I think I’ll be happy with them. I also noticed that the 20s have slightly too much bass. Other things the reviewer was disappointed in were the long length of the wire which I happened to like a longer wire and despise shorter wires- also he was unhappy that there was only one earplug for the wire and that it was on the side. It’s on…. He wanted the plug on the other earphone because that’s what he’s used to with most professional models and he’s also used to seeing a wire that is if not on both sides able to be plugged in on either side. These are issues. He also complained about the padding on the top of the headphones being uncomfortable. Although I have only used the 20s, I have been quite happy with the padding in terms of comfort anyway. SOURCE: den-fi.com/neumann-ndh-30/amp/

@musadays8083 4 месяца назад

1:33 & if you can make your mix sound exciting on these, it'll sound exciting on every system 🤗 Yamaha: Hold my beer 😏

@nelsondjordjemijic1533 2 года назад

I do not see how can someone do the mix on headphones? I understand doing individual edits or shape some sounds.

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

I used to feel the same way, but headphones have gotten better and better to the point that even some well known mastering engineers are using headphones for mastering like Glenn Schick.

@miteshgohil1411 2 года назад

Can you suggest in between LCD X and ndh 30 which one to go?

@cary3428 2 года назад

That is my question too.

@miteshgohil1411 2 года назад

@@cary3428 I am also leaning towards HD 560s,very natural sounding headphones.

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

I don’t have any experience with the LCD X, but the NDH-30’s are fantastic for mixing and mastering IMHO. 😊

@wekabee162 Год назад

The sibilance is weirdly noticeable

@ricered72 Год назад

This is what I have been wanting to watch! Thanks a lot. Speaking of Neumann's headphones, have you ever seen "NDH 20 Black Edition"? It so, I would like to know the difference between NDH 20 and its black one. I am really looking forward to hearing from you.

@zackariahrhodes 5 месяцев назад

Im comparing the 20s with the 30s now at home. I have a $100 tube “little bear” mic preamp (it glows) :) is portable :) anyways, iphone 13 promax into little bear driving phones. Listening to “these days” by Julie Byrne and laugh cry laugh. The 20s dont have that “oh my god thats beatiful” chilling magic thing that the 30s have. The 20s are almost there and they are very beautiful but the 30s have the full issue. Frustrating because will be sad to lose beauty for the sake of no bleed while tracking but like i said the 20s are very beautiful in and of themselves, just dont have the full chills one gets while enraptured in pure beauty and magic. Thinkin i will just need both unfortunately hahaha or to develop some covers! Maybe a good coaster will do. And yes the bass is sort of annoying in 20s. But pretty ok its pretty.

@Jafithagreat 2 года назад

Ndh 20s aren’t for mixing they’re for tracking and they gotta be the best I’ve used

@Jafithagreat 6 месяцев назад

Exactly this is what ppl don’t understand they’re PERFECT for tracking

@nostalgiaregret Год назад

If they are bass heavy why are you adding more bass than you need. I didn’t understand that

@mixatstudio Год назад

They have more bass, so u would think it’s enough but when u listen somewhere else its not enough, so u have to add more…

@nostalgiaregret Год назад

@@mixatstudio exactly, but that’s not what he said in the video

@robbingeuens1094 Год назад

I own the ndh20's and when mixing Edm I had to learn with reference tracks where the bass is supposed to be. In my opinion the bass is a little bit lacking (but almost flat) and the higher mids are heavier. I was surprised when I heard they would be bass heavy. 🤔 At first I was a little disappointed about the sound and was considering to turn them back but now I love them very much and use them all the time.

@stashmoneyable 4 месяца назад

@@nostalgiaregret That’s exactly what he said… He said when he listened back to his mixes on other medium, he was experiencing bass-lite mixes.

@zeon86 2 года назад

I have a pair HD630VB, 400g, quite heavy to me. I don't know how you can wear Neumann for hours.

@almur88 11 месяцев назад

The band is pushing hard on my head😢

@laika25 6 месяцев назад

R thos hair pLwggs?

@ComposerDanielWillett 6 месяцев назад

😆 No, thankfully not.

@laika25 6 месяцев назад

@@ComposerDanielWillett In that case, great hair. 😁

@levondarratt787 2 года назад

The 20 are great! The detailed low end - because of closed back design. AND all the DSoniq profiles include them already, so you can run with room correction software. Maybe the 30 wont be included...or take too long. Again, with a profile, it does not matter if 20's are bass heavy - it gets corrected.

@ComposerDanielWillett 2 года назад

I love the 20’s! I’ve used them for the last 2 years with great results! I was just using them today. Ive actually been going back and forth between them and the 30’s for mixing. Both great! I take it that you are a Devon Larratt fan. I love arm wrestling! Can Devon beat Levon???