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Neumann U87Ai Microphone vs GoToToolz GTZ87+ Clone 

Chuck Fresh
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Ian Davidson at GoToToolz.com is a terrible marketer. But he's a brilliant engineer and musician who decided to clone the famous Neumann U87AI microphone. And his upgraded clone is impressive. You could buy several GTZ87 clones for the price of one single U87. Listen to them both, with and without EQ and effects, and let us know what you think.
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@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Snag yours here (I was NOT compensated and there is NO affiliate program): gototoolz.com/shop/ols/products/275989459-diy-u87-style-clone-condenser-microphone
@emanuelheitz7314
@emanuelheitz7314 Год назад
great stuff! I got me a pair of 87ai. Very happy with those! Thank you for the hint!!! Have you tried the gtz105? I need something like that for live situations.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
@@emanuelheitz7314 Awesome! Thinking about picking up a 105. Specs look awesome
@jakemcgrew
@jakemcgrew Год назад
Not gonna lie that knockoff sounds pretty dang good
@FreshandFelicia
@FreshandFelicia Год назад
It really is quite impressive!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Sneaky right?
@onzkicg
@onzkicg Год назад
Nice comparison, thanks! The Neumann obviously a lot cleaner less of that brittle airy brightness that GTZ has. I’m not saying GTZ is bad, it’s just Neumann seems to have a built in deesser to cut off those super bright airy highs.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
GTZ definitely accentuates frequencies around 5-8 kHz where sibilance tends to be most annoying. Some folks prefer the more natural sound, depending on the purpose of the recording, but it can be EQd out or removed with a filter. Conversely, you can EQ the Neumann for more air. Thanks for your comment!
@fm1253
@fm1253 Год назад
On flat comparison: U87A sounds natural, GTZ87 sounds similar but accentuates the "S's" so you'll probably need a de-esser when processing. Fair comparison, thanks Chuck!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
GTZ definitely slightly accentuates the 5-8 kHz SSSSS frequencies. Ramped up the de-esser in subsequent recordings to compensate. Trying to learn how to curb my speech so it's less of a problem, but it's hard! Thanks for your comment!
@stufua
@stufua 8 месяцев назад
And low freq is different neuman more neutral
@gerardcarpenter1092
@gerardcarpenter1092 4 месяца назад
Just get a good pop filter
@admtim
@admtim Год назад
OUTSTANDING comparison, thank you. Was going to buy the Warm Audio 87, but just ordered a GTZ87 instead.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Had a Warm, and honestly, I thought it was too warm! Sold it.
@crowsvoyage
@crowsvoyage Год назад
​@@ChuckFresh the gtz87?
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
@@crowsvoyage sold the WA87
@frubo_ssg
@frubo_ssg 6 месяцев назад
@@ChuckFresh May be check out the WA87 R2 ;)
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 6 месяцев назад
@@frubo_ssg had the original WA 87 but wasn't impressed. R2 might be a different story.
@user-pv4nc1fz1w
@user-pv4nc1fz1w Год назад
Thank you for this comparison. I’ve been looking for it for a while. Now I will definitely get myself a pair.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching! Let us know how it went.
@FreshandFelicia
@FreshandFelicia Год назад
This guy’s voice gives me chills
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
You hate me
@emilinaina
@emilinaina Год назад
I think I hear a bit more midrange clarity on the GTZ87 to be honest. Excellent comparison.
@bf4lvr
@bf4lvr Год назад
How would I eq it to sound closer to the u87ai
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
@@bf4lvr a tiny tweak of 300-350 Hz bass should do it
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th 3 месяца назад
​@@ChuckFreshgood tip.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 3 месяца назад
@@HarvinderSingh-yy8th thanks!
@johnwalker5159
@johnwalker5159 Год назад
Heard about the GTZ mics. Sounds pretty good considering the price. They have a 103 clone too.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
YES got my eyes on their 103
@Bio-D
@Bio-D Год назад
Honestly I can’t tell the difference. They both sound AWESOMESAUCE!!!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Very slight difference to the average ear - most media consumers can't tell the diff!
@UCS0608
@UCS0608 Год назад
@@ChuckFresh The GoTo Toolz has without doubt more low end....
@admtim
@admtim Год назад
@@UCS0608 agree
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th 19 дней назад
​@@UCS0608Agree.
@Doctorfingertips
@Doctorfingertips 8 месяцев назад
Entertaining and revealing, thanks!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@princesscharis
@princesscharis Год назад
I want to thank you for this, Im purchasing the GoToToolz one for now, to make some singing samples and perfecting my technique, in my humble opinion, when you are out of a big budget, what matters is a mic that captures your full voice and color, the rest of the problems can be fixed one way or another, the ssss, the highs, etc, little bit of seeing few videos and tweak the EQ and I think the result will be greatly satisfying. This is why Im buying it and not buy a well known brand in this price range, because at that price range the mics don't capture your full voice either the richness of ones color, unless you buy mic preamps, good equipment which in the end it will cost more than double! Capturing the full body of your voice and color, is what makes Neumann well known. Basically they created mics in which your voice sounds like that one you have in your head. I will buy the original Neumann when I am ready for a full professional recording, for someone who is experimenting this one is more than amazing. I sub to your channel, thank you so much for this work and helping people like me to make good purchases to our satisfaction. EDIT: the capsule is RK47, which means the capsule mimics the mic of U47 and what I notice is that the vocals in this video are highly similar to that. Aside from the sss and high ends. Which is actually a good thing, U87 makes the voices sound too technical. For old vintage lovers this mic is a dream to work with EQ. The possibilities are endless for us.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
Completely agree! EQ is like a magic wand. This mic is impressive!
@jonathangarcia3306
@jonathangarcia3306 7 месяцев назад
This was the most entertaining review ever
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
thanks!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Neumann was acquired by Sennheiser Electronic GmbH in 1991.
@richardharmon9596
@richardharmon9596 Год назад
Definitely would have loved to hear an A/B switching every few seconds of each voice character rather than wait until the end just he did during the reading so I wouldn't have to try to remember . I have to admit , what I did hear was both mics sounding similar in some ways , yet you can hear that the GTZ 87 is brighter. Nice
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
We were not compensated for this review.
@youngdrule5935
@youngdrule5935 11 месяцев назад
GTZ87. I'd love to know if you can recommend it and is the difference is worth it between it and the GTZ87+? Also which tube did you opt for(RK47 or RK12)? Also, your vocal chain sounds amazing.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 10 месяцев назад
Great question! And thank you. RK47 I think... checking... been a while...
@emilinaina
@emilinaina Год назад
Oh, and your Morgan Freeman impression is spectacular!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
(in the voice of Elvis) thank you very much
@citronialandmark476
@citronialandmark476 6 месяцев назад
Great review!! gone are the days where you have to go broke to buy a mic you're going to eq and compress and de ess anyway. With all the plug ins that allow you to effectively mimic more expensive mics and rooms. I'm gonna cop both for the price with the other mics I have this works fine for me.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
end listeners will have no idea. smart move!
@jordan-kz3rx
@jordan-kz3rx Год назад
I ended up getting the GTZ87+. Compared to the Rode NT1 5th Gen that I returned, the GTZ87+ sounds like it's much more capable of achieving a crispy, clean top end which is what I was excited to find in a mic at this price range. However I am a bit disappointed with the concentration of information around a certain hissing frequency. It makes the microphone sound bad without surgical EQ'ing - and now that I've noticed this difference, I can hear it in the video in comparison to the Neumann. I might download the audio from this video to try to see if I can get an effects chain that can model the Neumann. Overall I'm disappointed that the mic is unusable to me without a lot of polishing, where I recorded some cool songs with the Rode NT1 right out of the box, but I do still think that the GTZ87 will get me closer to the tone I'm after in the end.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Interesting. Around what frequency do you hear the hissing? I didn’t hear it in voice recordings, but it could be more present in recording certain instrumentals. Might have to reach out to Ian to see if he’s aware of this.
@jordan-kz3rx
@jordan-kz3rx Год назад
​@@ChuckFresh Hi! Sorry if my review came off a little scathing. I'm still just starting to work on the EQing but I'm thinking around 8.6k and 10k. It might take me a while to figure out since I'm not an engineer. I ended up buying a tube preamp which seemed to give me better control over reducing the problem. What I was noticing might just be how how the Ghz87+ reacts to my interface's gain compared to other mics.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
@@jordan-kz3rx keep us posted. Interesting anomalies that others may experience!
@rodrigoacuna6366
@rodrigoacuna6366 Год назад
Saludos y muchas gracias por la revisión, nos sirve mucho, podrías hacer algo con el GTZ 103 por favor?
@FreshandFelicia
@FreshandFelicia Год назад
No la tengo
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Con gusto!
@mikelee-xw9pn
@mikelee-xw9pn Год назад
Thanks! Bit confusing as it appears Ian now offers multiple variations of the clone, some perhaps introduced after you recorded this(?) Can you tell me which of the GTZ 87 versions genuinely is closest to a stock Neumann 87ai ?? What I find on the website now is: GTZ 87Ai, "Vintage", GTZ 87, GTZ 87+, AND a GTZ 87+ , with a couple of capsule options ( listed as: "GTZ 87+Capsule Upgraded" and a choice of RK47 or RK12 Capsule). If I'm not mistaken the 87Ai capsule was based on the 67, but these capsule names suggest they're modeled after the U47 or C12. Would like to pick the "right" one -- but my head's spinning a little; )
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
Ian isn't the best marketer and doesn't seem to want any help, so it's unclear. We got the GTZ87+ with the upgraded capsule, and it's pretty darn close to the 87Ai.
@0d0d0d
@0d0d0d Год назад
I own a GTZ 103 and GTZ 87 and love them both. The GTZ 103 has some more mid-high range clarity compared to the GTZ 87 but, these mics are such a great price for what you get. I think if you're an aspiring artist or voice actor, the GTZ 87 or GTZ 103 might be perfect since they are generally inexpensive. I own a Slate Digital VMS microphone and comparing it to the GTZ 87, the smoothness of the GTZ 87 is almost superior. The Neumann U87 is obviously great sounding but, I really think the GTZ 87+ may sound nicer in some ways with some mid range clarity. But, the Neumann U87 has such a crystal clear bass... which is almost unbeatable by many mics. I think the Neumann mic is a clear winner in some ways but, the GTZ 87+ (capsuled upgraded GTZ 87) sounds very close. The Neumann has a really cool clarity that is just so perfect. Great review!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Thank you for the kind words. For most beginner voice talents, this is really all the mic they would ever need. Any of the frequencies that the capsule itself lacks can be modified with a little equalization. I played a trick on one of my picky producers and recorded some remote tracks with the GTZ. He couldn’t tell the difference after EQ.
@kaznielflores8473
@kaznielflores8473 7 месяцев назад
So the GTZ 87+ is better than the GTZ 87 VL?
@dbdakid
@dbdakid 8 дней назад
The u87 just has that natural warmth factor that the other mic doesn’t have. Still sounds solid tho
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th 10 часов назад
Which U 87.
@realsnacky
@realsnacky 3 месяца назад
Had to come back and hear your Morgan Freeman impersonation. So snacky ❤
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
Yum!
@Bourn3J
@Bourn3J 9 месяцев назад
You should have labeled the clone as the real one and vice versa. Then reveal it at the end. I bet everyone who saw the label on the fake one would have said it sounded better.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
I was actually going to do that! But last time I did that we got flamed. People don't like to wait. It's honestly hard to tell the diff blind.
@HeathcliffBlair
@HeathcliffBlair 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video. My advice to folks: just get a Rode NT1A or NT2A (I have both) for a similar price. Rode is a proper, no BS, well established mic company. The mics sound good, come with long warranties, and will likely feature components that are far more reliable than any Neumann knockoff. I'm not a company shill, just a user with experience. Cheers.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
meh. had both, hated both. GTZ87 still works perfectly, and you'll save enough to buy backups.
@scrutinizr
@scrutinizr 7 месяцев назад
for all social media purposes the GTZ is good enough. before i was using a Sennheiser e945 (occasionally $100 in Europe), just peferct for speakers/moderators. now i've got two very, very good mics for low budget (GTZ used on eBay $140 incl. shipping to Europe)
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
GTZ is all you'll ever need. Thinking about selling my Neumann.
@abdullahahmedameer
@abdullahahmedameer Год назад
as a professional do you think they sound similar ? because i just listened on my Yamaha HS5 and my DT770 and they sound so close specially in the mid range but just curious about your own personal experience and i would like to hear your opinion ?
@FreshandFelicia
@FreshandFelicia Год назад
For a male voice, they are incredibly similar. RU-vid does apply some sort of audio compression which may contribute to the similarities. For instruments, the results may be different.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
@@FreshandFelicia what she said!
@azteca_619
@azteca_619 2 месяца назад
Which one sounds better for it's price? Rhode nt1 or this gtz Neumann clon?
@baronvonlichtenstein
@baronvonlichtenstein Год назад
What are you using for processing? Makes a big difference. An expander or something?
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
The dry part is mic to a Focusrite A-D converter with no processing. The processing comparison parts use a bunch of thick compression and a little EQ. Does indeed make a HUGE difference!
@marmotenjoyer
@marmotenjoyer 9 месяцев назад
The Neumann sounds a little softer and fuller but it's actually super hard to tell the difference.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
It is super hard to tell!
@jabulanifusion
@jabulanifusion 7 месяцев назад
Just when i was about to buy the WA87 which has a very noticeable difference to the real thing but GTZ 87 is just a better clone the price helps alot vele
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
Agree. Ian has something special up his sleeves. GTZ87 is impressive for sure, and the price is right.
@audiomitch7881
@audiomitch7881 Год назад
The GTZ has more sibilance, but it's pretty close.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
Completely agree. But - for $3000, might be worth the extra time to filter it!
@erikglimpse
@erikglimpse Год назад
Am I crazy, or does the GTZ87+ sound crispier and warmer? I just got one in the mail from Ebay. I'm still trying to figure out if it sounds better than my TLM 103.
@firepack89
@firepack89 11 месяцев назад
does it?
@HammyHavoc
@HammyHavoc 11 месяцев назад
What did you think?
@erikglimpse
@erikglimpse 10 месяцев назад
@@HammyHavoc Sounds great! The only issue is the self noise, but it's not that bad. I feel like I have a U87 Ai.
@HammyHavoc
@HammyHavoc 10 месяцев назад
@@erikglimpse Do you think it would match with proper U87ai in a production for dialogue? And do you think the self-noise could be cleaned up decently in RX or SpectraLayers?
@erikglimpse
@erikglimpse 10 месяцев назад
@@HammyHavoc That I don't know, because I don't have a real U87 Ai. I do have a TLM 103, and I like it, but it's a little too hot. It's very sensitive to plosives, and this clone is definitely not. I'm sure you could clean up the self noise with software. I use RTX voice in live situations, which works very well.
@crowsvoyage
@crowsvoyage Год назад
just ordered last night
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
what do you think?
@ItzrealMusic
@ItzrealMusic 9 месяцев назад
What did you order ?
@CandiaBeats
@CandiaBeats 9 месяцев назад
On which website is it reliable to buy this microphone? I am interested, I am from Chile. greetings
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
This is the OFFICIAL website: gototoolz.com/shop/ols/products/u87-main
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 4 месяца назад
That Morgan Freeman deserves an award!!! Hey, curious, with the processing, did you process them differently with the EQ to sort of cater to the mic/or get them to sound closer to each other, or was it the exact same for both mics?
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 3 месяца назад
Thanks man! Same exact chain for both mics.
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 3 месяца назад
@@ChuckFresh I see! Thanks!
@TheBluuHouse
@TheBluuHouse 4 месяца назад
The GTZ high end is harsh. I have the GTZ 103 and U47+, I was a little underwhelmed.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 3 месяца назад
It can be. But it can be neutralized with a little EQ
@lun-xbeats7847
@lun-xbeats7847 9 месяцев назад
I like the clone better sounds a bit brighter without EQ
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
Leaning towards the clone myself. I've fooled a few heavy duty producers with the GTZ. They swore it was a U87!
@cam-inf-4w5
@cam-inf-4w5 6 месяцев назад
The neumann has a sotfer high for the reedy nasal rattle
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
but that can be EQd out
@angelo4330
@angelo4330 7 месяцев назад
GTZ87 catches room reflections more strongly.
@GsTr4Lyfe
@GsTr4Lyfe 5 месяцев назад
Facts, extreme boominess if the room is not treated, almost unappealing, I've used high-end mics in the same room, and sounded much more warm and rounded than the GTZ87, but in a studio, awesome mic with the right processing and eq to remove that brittle sound and that annoying boominess. Also, you can't push this mics volume too much or you'll get a distortion but with other mics not as prevalent at high volumes.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
we're actually going to test that soon along with wa87
@jimmorrisoncold
@jimmorrisoncold 8 месяцев назад
The u87 have a more smooth sound very relaxed and a little more body.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
depends on the voice. I've heard sessions where the GTZ sounds smoother.
@tko_shaq5042
@tko_shaq5042 6 месяцев назад
I have a rode nt1-A Should I switch to gtz 87?
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th 3 месяца назад
No NTI sounds good too.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 2 месяца назад
try one!
@ninjasfury631
@ninjasfury631 Год назад
The GTZ 87 upgrade sounds brighter than the U87ai, but I've heard the U87ai is brighter than the U87. So I'm wondering if it means the GTZ upgrade is brighter than both?
@MikeShepherdVO
@MikeShepherdVO Год назад
My question as well!
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
EQ is your friend
@peternorth6782
@peternorth6782 Год назад
Excellent a/b, thanks a lot. Although i think if one can't hear the chasm of difference a visit to the audiologist is in order. The gototoolz is a Rhode nt1.. The Neuman is a neuman and, while it's fair these days that the way tv/movie audio is ultra processed one could argue why care, the neuman will survive all those dreadful digital comp/eq procedures way better than the cheap thing. But it's all about illussion and dare i say deception. People are convinced if it looks like it, it must be it.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh Год назад
TBH RU-vid applies unknown audio filtering stacks and some sort of digital file compression, so it's hard to really tell here. But, not gonna lie, I was a nightclub DJ for 15 years.
@poldolino
@poldolino 7 месяцев назад
Where is the answer to which is which ?
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
it's on the bottom of the screen - you can see the text change when I change inputs
@phellylandveld9548
@phellylandveld9548 Год назад
So uh… where the time codes at?
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 11 месяцев назад
Waiting for you to enter them in the comments 😎
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th 10 часов назад
U87 AI doesn't get terrible.
@user-wk7le1vn6j
@user-wk7le1vn6j 9 месяцев назад
gtz87+ is dope. I can’t believe it cost only 250$.
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 7 месяцев назад
Right? It's impressive AF!
@knulldestroyed3081
@knulldestroyed3081 6 месяцев назад
It’s only $150 right now
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 6 месяцев назад
@@knulldestroyed3081 the + version is about $250, but TBH i have not tested the $150 mic. It might be almost as good.
@steelhead197
@steelhead197 2 месяца назад
Morgan Freeman….nope! Swing and a miss but good comparison 🇨🇦👍🏻
@BIGpony777
@BIGpony777 3 месяца назад
the neumann sounds better- gtz has more lows
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 3 месяца назад
Interesting
@CrustPunx
@CrustPunx 10 месяцев назад
This GTZ is a common variation on the theme of "cheap microphone" and it sounds terrible compared to neumann. In post-processing, the sound of this Chinese microphone will crumble like a sandcastle on a beach in bad weather
@ChuckFresh
@ChuckFresh 10 месяцев назад
mmmmmmmmm agree to disagree. We've already fooled some heavy hitters you've prob heard of in post. Suckers!
@Noah-gq7pq
@Noah-gq7pq Месяц назад
very entertaining
@Noah-gq7pq
@Noah-gq7pq Месяц назад
i like the knock off better
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