NEURAL AMP MODELER [NAM] || Better than ToneX, and 100% FREE! [with Capture-Comparison]

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There is a new king that reigns supreme in the realm of capturing the sound of your analog rig, and it's... not ToneX?!
Neural Amp Modeler (NAM) is an open source project by Steve Atkinson and offers "tone capturing" accuracy even better than IK Multimedias latest greatest release, ToneX!
In this video, I talk a bit about why this is the case and also demonstrate this by comparing both a NAM and a ToneX capture against my real deal Bugera 6262, boosted by an MXR M77!
NOTE: I already had this video uploaded yesterday, but I had a crucial mistake in my methodology in doing the Null-test, as I have not set up any latency compensation whatsoever. I redone that portion of the video to be 100% truthful and accurate as possible when comparing these two plugins.
0:00 What is NAM?
1:35 How is NAM better?
4:00 Where to download NAM
8:30 RIFFING (finally!)
13:10 AMP vs. NAM vs. ToneX
20:50 NAM vs. ToneX (Riff-Noodling)
22:10 Conclusion
Background music: Serenity by ‪@Pufino‬ via ‪@FreeToUseMusic‬.
Follow Pufino: open.spotify.com/artist/74lQ2...
LINKS:
- Where to find NAM:
github.com/sdatkinson/NeuralA...
- How to train your models using Google Colab:
• How to use NAM Neural ...
- How to train your models using your local GPU:
• Neural Amp Modeler (NA...
- My self-created models:
drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Facebook Community Group:
/ 5669559883092788
Let me know what you think about this video, like, share, subscribe and all that jazz!
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Gear used:
Guitars: Partscaster w/ Seymour Duncan SH-5 in Bridge Position
Audio Interface: Audient iD44
Camera: Logitech StreamCam
Software: Open Broadcast Software (OBS), REAPER
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If you liked the music/riffs in this video, you perhaps like my band TEMPEST, Thrash Metal from Germany - check it out: / tempestmetal
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www.celestionplus.com/ref/233/

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@PippPriss Год назад

Thanks for all the views and comments! You folks are amazing! 10 COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT NAM - ANSWERED! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zAbobd7MNrs.html

@PippPriss Год назад

Oh my goodness - 10k views in 5 days. This is absolutely amazing to me, and something which I never thought would happen to my small channel. You folks are the best, thank you so much for watching and enjoying the content. This really means a lot to me.

@BrandonBames Год назад

Algorithm hit, great job bro! Got you in my feed.

@FabioNET666 Год назад

very very goood work maan :D

@justinmarcil Год назад

This video helped me find this gem of a channel!

@EdBender 5 месяцев назад

Dude your content is very good, but for God's sake, normalize your loudness! Or at least warn your viewers that your guitar parts will be way louder than your voice. I'm trying to keep the little hearing I have left. Geesus.

@danthegeetarman Год назад

Very glad to have stumbled across this. I’ve joined the community now and look forward to seeing everyone’s captures 🙏

@thepessimist9043 Год назад

This review is amazing. So cool to learn that there is an open source project aiming at profiling, and done with such high quality. And thank you for explaining everything clearly and without metaphors for 3 year olds!

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you for the kind words! I am also really happy about the mostly positive reception this video received. It definitely fired up my eagerness to revive my RU-vid channel somewhat and test a lot of amazing products which have been recently released! 🙂

@drconflict629 Год назад

Open source projects like these are truly inspiring. Incredible!

@cmd_f5 Год назад

Very well done and thorough walkthrough and comparison! The null test is an excellent idea, something I use all the time when checking how various modelers and sims compare against each other. It's sometimes easier to hear the difference's when the tones are close otherwise. I also think NAM got a bit more of that harmonic feel that the real amp head had. It's subtle but I can hear it. Great vid man \M/

@picksalot1 Год назад

Excellent comparison and documentation of the procedure you used. The Null Test is an uncompromising and fair arbiter when employed properly. I didn't know there were any good Software alternatives to the ToneX software. But, it's the hardware ToneX Pedal that makes portability of Captures/Profiles so attractive and practical for the gigging musician. Thanks

@DarkSkarStudio Год назад

I enjoyed a lot this video, a respecful and honest comparison. Also great pick technique playing that riffs!

@PippPriss Год назад

Thanks for the feedback! Both products are amazing, so no need to bash one over the other 😎

@jeracravo Год назад

Great video! Thanks for putting the time to make it!

@josephforrest3713 Год назад

I'm actually legitimately surprised no one has brought out a VST hosting pedal... I just feel like this should exist in this day and age.

@davidschwartzguitar Год назад

There was the Mode Machines vPED Pro, which was released five or so years ago. I believe there was also a rack mount VST host as well. It cost more than a decent laptop and a MIDI foot switch combined, and suffered from compatibility issues and a lack of storage. Ultimately it sold poorly, as it didn’t really do anything that a laptop couldn’t do better.

@DJHyperreal Год назад

There are audio interfaces in pedal format but they need to connect to a PC or Mac. A stand-alone vst pedal would need to be a fast mini pc running windows with a good audio interface an some kind of touch screen and would still need to run windows - with all the stability that implies and would cost a few 100 to get started.

@josephforrest3713 Год назад

Not really. It could have custom firmware, that could simply run VST's.

@tobins6800 Год назад

There is a sort of one. Runs LV2 however. Check out pedal pi

@josephforrest3713 Год назад

@@tobins6800 I can well imagine someone making a little Linux system. I just think something like this should exist in this day and age, is all. I love the Poulin Powerball, 8180 and the Bogner. I'd be happy with those.

@Burbah Год назад

Just tried it.. and you're right. It is better. Actually a lot better imo.. Thank you for bringing it to my awareness.

@Xavofthedead Год назад

Awesome, I tried it and pushing the input on the full rig I had GREAT results, it's as good as my quad cortex ! Well done !

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you, glad you are enjoying NAM!

@danthegeetarman Год назад

Sounds great. Didn’t know there was now access to NAM. Very cool!!

@TechyTimM Год назад

Thanks for the deep dive and especially for updating the original with the latency adjustment! It looks like the advantage of the ToneX gives you a pedal for your pedalboard when gigging, and the advantage of NAM is the price and DAW use.

@PippPriss Год назад

Exactly! If you are a gigging musician and you need a platform to do so, then ToneX is where your money is best spent at - even though there are some stuff going on hardware wise in the background, but it's all quite nerdy and tinkering stuff, while ToneX is a commercial product and simply the safe bet with losing too much quality-wise. If you like nerding out, need to separate the capture and training processes (like pre-recording the test-files before doing the training at another day or so) and you want peak quality and don't care about CPU consumption, NAM is the clear winner. Thanks for watching!

@colinc48 Год назад

been using some of your models- great stuff!

@ARRITDOR Год назад

Amazing video - great job! Comparing via flipped phases (null test) was brilliant. One thing to keep in mind - IK can always improve TONEX to get even closer but not sure most will notice a difference, especially in a mix. That and the ecosystem with hardware pedal make it a no-brainer. I will be keeping an eye on NAM moving forward.

@PippPriss Год назад

Right on all points. I very much hope that tonex will somehow add a manual mode allowing to set the epochs manually or so. The. It would be unbeatable. But also 470 € more expensive than NAM. But both have their place. ToneX earns all success they have!

@ctld5266 Год назад

@@PippPriss tonex pedal plus helix is very good combo. however tonex & tonex pedal needs to improve the gui both on hardware & software. yet it's not very intuitive

@piotrkarpienia4779 Год назад

That is why I went with QC. Tons of effects and stereo amps. All this hardware will be updated softwise but Im a nerd and will follow NAM for sure.

@Shred_Rocket Год назад

Dude, very good analysis! Thanks, man!

@marktywharton Год назад

okay spot on you’re doing pretty much the right thing to align them assuming your sample rate is high enough

@sopedro01 2 месяца назад

Open Source Rocks. I have Tonex and Love it but Open Source projects are the future. Thank for this . well done. Subscribed ;)

@VanjaSpirin Год назад

Great sounds. Great playing, man.

@josephforrest3713 Год назад

Hey, great video. I've never herd of this before. I'd LOVE to get my hands on a Splawn Nitro!

@PippPriss Год назад

Thanks! In the NAM group in the profiles of Tim Robertson there is actually a Splawn! I am not sure if it's the Nitro though, but if in doubt GO CHECK IT OUT 😎

@nikolayew Год назад

Amazing, did not know something like this existed !

@CarcPazu Год назад

I think it's official now, all profilers and modelers are great. When the cheap brands like Mooers and even open source stuff sound great, we topped. Just pick the one that seems to fit your need and price point the best and run with it, it doesn't matter any longer.

@amaurythewarrior Год назад

I wouldn't go THAT far, but what i've realize is you can now get pro result with basically any of them. I've been fighting for over 10 years trying to record my amps properly, but i failed to keep in touch with modelling. and no matter what i do modelers seem to sound more pro than what i get myself...

@technoguyx Год назад

Like the previous comment says you can indeed get pro results with almost any modelling software and even with some budget multieffect units that rely on the same principle (e.g. Zoom's). The price differences are a matter of ease of use, how intuitive and flexible the GUI looks and feels, how immediately can you get to a great tone after tweaking for your particular instrument, etc.

@CarcPazu Год назад

@@amaurythewarrior Recording the best amp in the world with the best equipment will not make your pro recorded guitar tracks automatically sound pro in your mix. It's a mix, everything push and pull each other, it's about wise decision making with your EQ and compressors. A pro can run a 50$ Amazon Basics amp sim pedal and make it sound great in a mix because he has a vision and know how to avoid pitfalls to achieve said vision...

@amaurythewarrior Год назад

@@CarcPazu yes, i know all there is to know about mixing, and i mostly agree with you, but for me i have issues recording actual which i didn't have using gearbox/pod farm and modelers in general. i wasn't fond of the sound, but it worked in the mix pretty easily (i didn't even EQ at the time) - while micing an amp properly is a different story. i can't imagine recording an amp and NOT doing eq, because it always sounds harsh. but maybe i would have a different problem with 50w or 100w tube amps and bigger cabs rather than 20w and 1x12.... but I KNOW it can sound good, since i've heard it. But I haven't been able to get these results myself.

@amaurythewarrior Год назад

@@technoguyx pro, yes depending on how important realism is. in a pop mix, or industrial, seems DId guitars would be perfectly fine.

@andersozzy6056 Год назад

I have just test this amp mod and have to say, it is the best I have tried ever!!!. Forget all the others this is the BEST!!!!!

@tommj4365 Год назад

Love this video :) maybe you've learned this by now, but... SHIFT + UP ARROW - in reaper will zoom waveforms vertically (but not raise the amplitude), will make aligning phase/zero-crossing much easier

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

I knew that one already some time ago, but forgot about it, but yeah this comment reminded me again of this functionality and I've been using this nearly on daily basis ever since. Late thanks ;-)

@m.gunturkurniawan8085 Год назад

EXCELLENT COMPARISON... THANK YOU, SIR !🤩

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you for watching and commenting!

@t.j.fuller9531 Год назад

This was an awesome video you put together here !! Maybe I can finally get the Mike Morin preamp tone in order ….. yeah I’m still trapped in the 80’s 😅

@PippPriss Год назад

Glad I could help ya on your tone quest ;-)

@scottwhitlow8468 Год назад

This is cool! Would be awesome to see a Quad Cortex or Helix comparison, etc. Great start to your channel! 👍🏻

@PippPriss Год назад

Thanks so much! Unfortunately I do not own any of those units, only the ToneX software. But Mendel did a great comparison between Kemper,QC, ToneX and the real amp, and ToneX is the winner. Since NAM is slightly more accurate, you can go figure how awesome NAM would perform! 😎

@kernelxsanders Год назад

Wait, the Helix has capturing features?

@thewaldfe9763 Год назад

@@kernelxsandersno it doesn't. In my opinion, you cannot really compare different modellers and profilers based on an absolute accuracy level, because they all probably used different amp and recording setups. With profilers you can obviously do it - even though, most of the "sound character" comes from the speaker and mic-setup anyway, so some percentage of difference in the amp profiling (or modelling) should not make a huge difference for real world use. Different analogue amps probably are probably more different from one another than the different versions of them in QC, Kemper, Fractal, Helix etc.

@szveszs 7 месяцев назад

For 200 euros or something, used even less, you can buy a touchscreen mini PC, and with a bootable USB drop a lite version of the win11 or win10 (I use a win10 pro version with 1,7gb(using my own serial number)) + a midi controller. Running 2 instances of NAM, other plugins running, you can use pedals before if you want with a portable amp like the old Yamaha THR10 MKI or why not, a simple audio interface. In future the mini PCs more powerful would be easier to find and probably a better choice vs stuff like Quad Cortex, even for rehearsals or live situations.

@BrainDeadTX Год назад

This is awesome! Thank you 🤘

@JWEmbry-wc7qi Месяц назад

Very thorough and impressive info, thank you!

@doug941 Год назад

Awesome find! Thank you for this! Subscribed with the bell!

@everythingisopen 9 месяцев назад

Thanks Pipp, I've learned a lot from your NAM coverage. Exciting to see and hear a tool like that emerge now, widely available. Minor/major note re. video quality: you might want to sort out your (auto)focus some day. I'll keep on watching anyway, content is king.

@PippPriss 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for the reply - yeah, I am using an Logitech Stream-Cam, which on every time loading OBS I gotta set up Manual Focus again, and sometimes I forget to set that up, sometimes not. I am thinking about getting an Elgato FaceCam Pro, but that's a hefty investment with 300 bucks. But thanks for sticking around!

@everythingisopen 9 месяцев назад

@@PippPriss I've looked for something similar and gave up on the webcam thing early on. Some of the newer mirrorless cameras can stream FHD (at least) with clean HDMI output. If you aren't streaming much anyway record to SD and export to video editor, with total control of quality, focus, aperture, white balance, nice stuff. Some newer phones might be OK as well. Canon R50 and M50 mkII, Panasonic GH-something (G100?), comes to mind. For static shots like these manual focus is also an option. And you'll get a very nice camera for rest of life :)

@Hexspa 5 месяцев назад

@@PippPrissyes great video but, personally, I prefer videos without background music. Your speaking delivery is already engaging enough. Thanks

@jonathanfoster100 Год назад

This is incredible, the times we live in.

@NikolausBrocke Год назад

Great job. A very serious investigation.

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you! I try to be fact-driven in these type of videos. I am in general a very positive person, so it's very hard for me to bash a product or anything. But I do want to kind of undermine my points with evidence. Thank you for watching and also explicitly highlighting this aspect of this video, means much to me 🙂

@blakepennycook8952 Год назад

Awesome video, thanks!

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

Glad it helped!

@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 Год назад

Great! I’m a huge fan of ToneX and it totally replaced my kemper and Quad Cortex! NAM is also my new great studio tool. And it will go better and better with updates, competition is now open 😊😊😊😊

@PippPriss Год назад

ToneX is fantastic - my first video which I uploaded was totally flawed in the Null-Test and offered the impression ToneX being far off. But NAM is just that tad better than ToneX, but understandable - I run my models on 750 machine learning epochs, and ToneX catches roundabout 250 - of course there will be a slight deviation in accuracy. But if ToneX ever allows for this tweakability, or offers a "crazy mode" above Advanced, then of course ToneX will achieve same results and will be able to beat every other alternative out there through it's ecosystem! As you said - COMPETITION IS OPEN! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting!

@Rouwiinator Год назад

@@PippPriss thanks for sharing this and the insight into the plugin. Seems like a great plugin however I think that it will have a hard time competing with tonex because of marketing and reach. Also the thing that tonex has going for it is the hardware. Being able to grab your sounds in a little pedal is awesome.

@davidgray4995 Год назад

@@Rouwiinator I hear this stance quite often and I’m curious why more people don’t lean into a laptop based rig. Better processing power, more flexible especially if you’re running something like MainStage and a midi foot controller like the fcb1010. There are interfaces like the Quantum series that offer close to 0ms latency. I’ve heard people say it’s not convenient but I just don’t see how. Maybe I’m missing something🤷‍♂️

@Rouwiinator Год назад

@@davidgray4995 midi programming would also be a thing so that you would barely have to use a foot controller at all. The simple reason I prefer dedicated hardware is simply that I trust it more to run the way it is supposed to. A PC likes to receive updates to its OS and the Plugins you would choose to use that easily can mess with your setup.

@PippPriss Год назад

@@davidgray4995 I can chime in on this - a laptop is absolute superior in power, but not dedicated to that single task. It is a more fragile and delicate balance you have to keep up. Just imagine running a Windows machine, which short before a gig starts up starts to update for whatever f*d up reason. And if you are ONLY using a laptop dedicated for audio, then the cost is so high that you can easily justify purchasing a higher tier dedicated unit, and then still have a more stable and also rigid setup. But that said, I have played in a cover band where the guitar player (very young, 18 years old) used a MacBook with the Tim Henson Archetype plugin. I guess this will become more normal over time.

@BabaGhanoushMusic Год назад

Awesome. Great time to be a studio guitarist.

@PippPriss Год назад

Absolutely. I was in the digital game since 2009, when POD Farm 1 was still a thing. Amazing to see how things have picked up, especially in the last 5-7 years.

@BabaGhanoushMusic Год назад

@@PippPriss same here, POD days lol

@chrismsantos Год назад

great video man and amazing tones .. thx so much !!! so close amp real really ... NAM is possible better alternative today thx to share !!!

@PippPriss Год назад

So glad I could help you getting your hands on a great piece of software! :-)

@chrismsantos Год назад

@@PippPriss great tones really ... try record cover using this profiles amanzing .. so is possible share reaper projetc entire ??? i loved this demo

@inkubass Год назад

You files sound killer. I had to bounce a few to mono to get them to work, but they're really good

@PippPriss Год назад

Glad you like em! Yeah,.my IRs have been shot back then in stereo, and I forgot to convert before posting them and became a bit lazy 😎

@MrRioso-ry1hb Год назад

Very well done !!!

@Garflips 10 месяцев назад

Great information, clear and articulate. I know there's no way to predict how the software will develop and if a hardware manufacturer will step in and develop a pedal solution for NAM captures. I am curious - and this could affect Tonex users as well - if older captures will end up being compatible with later - future - hardware and software developments. For example, will Tonex captures be compatible with Tonex mk2? Being backwards compatible can often be a drag on innovation. No worries really, it's important to... "be here now" and just appreciate the great tools that are available now. I doubt most of us are going to sell our favorite amps after making a capture anyway.😅

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

My amps are going nowhere! If at all, it's rather an incentive to buy more amps, to capture them and then... well, then... then... keep them?! ;-)

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

And also, thank you for the kind words! Glad you liked the video!

@Tryggvasson Год назад

thanks for the info. very interesting. i'm gonna definitely give it a try.

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

Hope you tried and enjoyed! Thanks for checking it out!

@Tryggvasson 10 месяцев назад

@@PippPriss yeah! i'm actually already using it in a project. i don't like it that there isn't a stereo version - for stereo delay - but i certainly like how it sounds, the simplicity of it, and the eq curves i think are well chosen.

@Jaimefumer13 Год назад

Great video !

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you!

@mattvdh Год назад

holy f it sounds amazing when you loaded the IR...wow

@mikepeterson443 11 месяцев назад

Excellent analysis.

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@JoeHasGas Год назад

Just down loaded this n the models ,gotta get the Facebook ones.gonna try yours later. Ty bro

@matthijshebly Год назад

By the way, you can zoom in on the waveform in Reaper using Shift + Arrow Up (and out again by Shift + Arrow Down).

@PippPriss Год назад

Forgot about that trick, thanks! Will save me next time when aligning for the null test (learnt it once through the almighty Kenny, but forgot about it)

@renomtv Год назад

@@PippPriss I was wondering about that too since with Audacity you can zoom in but this much more sophisticated software can't? Glad it wasn't the case lol

@brianmac8260 Год назад

Try the Mouse Wheel even.

@matthijshebly Год назад

@@brianmac8260 No, that's different. The mouse wheel zooms in on Reaper's workspace; Shift + Arrow zooms in specifically on waveforms *only*, while leaving the workspace layout unchanged.

@adamicinec Год назад

What if ToneX has DC offset filter (lowcut maybe at 10hz), that would throw a null test off. It would also explain why there is a difference mainly in the lower frequency spectrum. Commercial plugins like ToneX could have things like DC offset under the hood.

@suffersystemstudios Год назад

Hmmmm, this is interesting, will def be checking this out when I get off of work. Are there many high gain tones out there to run with it already?

@PippPriss Год назад

Absolutely! My tip: use my captures which can be found in the description as a starting point. If more is desired, check out the facebook group and search for following users and their models: Helga Behrens Jon Arnolds / Petr Canov Tim Robertson They have awesome amps, ranging from 5150 to XXX to Dual Rec to Mark IV to VH4 and more!

@grav3serker Год назад

this is great! thanks for the deep dive on this! do you know if there is a discord group for this? i don't have facebook, so sadly, i can't get access to any of the community captures

@thecaveofthedead Год назад

It's still impressive that the free product is noticeably closer to the original than the for-profit option.

@vaughanmacegan4012 Год назад

Well to be fair the tech in the Kemper is practically ancient by now. It's been out for like 12 years.

@thecaveofthedead Год назад

@@vaughanmacegan4012 Yeah but it's in comparison to a product that came out this year, not the Kemper.

@Mattrocity1337 Год назад

how do you get your DI's to sound that rich? ive never gotten anywhere close on any of my setups

@MusicChannel-rf5zz Год назад

Hopefully I can capture this onto my Tonex Pedal :)

@renomtv Год назад

interesting idea to use cancellation (aka "null test") to detect difference. That's as objective as you can get

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

To be fair, was not my idea - I saw this method on Mendels ToneX video and thought this was extremely smart to do so. Credit, where credit is due ;-)

@ferelectroacustico Год назад

Hi! wich amp sim do you recomend for clean and low gain? because there is a lot for high gain, but for playing blues, jazz, pop or rock...

@PippPriss Год назад

Hi, check out my model pack in the video description, I have updated the entire model structure. I have some clean tones there, most noticably the clean channel of the Bugera 333, which I love for thick compressed cleans. Using the input to crank it you can get a nice edge of breakup/light Crunch tone which works great with single coils. My tip: either use it the tone as is with your fav IR with a chorus for thick tones, or crank the input to max and add a delay for lead playing. Also have a VOX AC15 capture and the clean channel of an Marshall JVM410 Joe Satriani Signature. :-) Let me know if the tones suit you well and what you think about the captures I made. :-)

@mmmanarin Год назад

Hey dude, great video. can you tell me where is that IR from? STL MAR 30 something... Sounds great

@PippPriss Год назад

It's derived out of the STL Tones Josh Middleton Tonality plugin, and with friendly courtesy of the fine folks at STL Tones allowed for staying uploaded! Shout-out to them! Awesome company, awesome plugins!

@richardbrancatisano4324 Год назад

Great video!! thank you! 1 question.. what causes that static sound?? And is it the original file that has it or the modelled file?Am I correct in assuming the null test doesn't tell you which stem has this sound missing... ORRR is it noise created by both stems being a little different.. hope this question makes sense.. basically I'm trying to find out whether the NAM sound introduces this noise or doesn't have it to begin with OR it doesn't exist in either and is noise created by the process... THANKYOU:))

@PippPriss Год назад

Hi there! I hear no static sound, do ,out have a timestamp? If there is noise, most likely it's EMI interference from the PC. NAM in itself does not add any static noise or aliasing sounds, at least not in amp+boost.captures. when doing full rigs, my experience that s bit aliasing fizziness is added above 12kHz. But since speakers do not really efficiently operate in these frequencies anyways, you want to cut everything above 9-10kHz. IRs basically shave off that frequency range as Welly so it's no loss tone-wise. Hope this helps :-)

@richiebranco Год назад

@@PippPriss thanks for replying!!! I’m sorry!! I wasn’t specific at all lol!! My bad! At 21:50 when ur nulling the sounds the left over sound is what I’m referring too.. there seems to be low level guitar signal and also a static /distortion Type sound..

@PippPriss Год назад

@@richiebranco Sorry for the late reply, life came inbetween. The static noise you hear are leftovers of the null-test. I would categorize them as "slight differences in the very complex thing that is distortion". So the static is not any noise in the regular sense of noise, but actually shows that frequency-wise most stuff has been cancelled out, but in regard of complexity of distortion, there is a small portion "inaccuarcy" to any method given.

@richardbrancatisano4324 Год назад

@@PippPriss thank you!!:)) appreciate that:)

@MoreMeRecording Год назад

Great video. Is there a repository for models out there? I'd love to get some of the great variety out there.

@PippPriss Год назад

Yes! www.tonehunt.org is a newly released platform with tons of models, a dedicated project by some NAM-enthusiasts!

@matthijshebly Год назад

Hey, don't be too hard on yourself :) We all live and learn

@marktywharton Год назад

okay I like the green one best .. now what happens when you time stretch them?

@BrianAlexSinger Год назад

Where do I find the community to try out some of the .NAM files? I've downloaded the plugin but not sure where to go from there just to try out some sounds. Thank you for making the video.

@PippPriss Год назад

In the description, there should be a link to the Facebook group. One of the featured threads is the model thread. As a starting point, in the video description there is also a link to my own models :-) Enjoy!

@BrianAlexSinger Год назад

@@PippPriss Thank you 🙏

@rjw8631 Год назад

can you demo this with some more subtle and clean lo-gain tones rather than just thrash metal? it would be appreciated

@mattvdh Год назад

Glad some open source companies are challenging ToneX like NAM and GuitarML. ToneX didn't impress me at all when I tried it tbh,...very cool demo! Thanks

@slidersson Год назад

Tonex did not impress you? Ha ha ha ha...yeah right.

@justsomerandomguyman Год назад

You're doing something wrong then, because it's better than the Kemper, which has been used by pro producers on countless albums for years and years.

@Cpt_Adama Год назад

If they can get a forum for uploading models and some way to make a pedal like the ToneX with an updateable rom to upgrade when new firmware is out.

@MrMOGHammer Год назад

something I wonder, did you use the advanced toneX tone capture which takes a lot more time to get more accurate or just the medium one? That could explain the difference.

@PippPriss Год назад

Always the Advanced Mode. I do not care for Standard or Light or whatever the other modes are called. Also, anything else would be unfair to ToneX.

@danimourinho Год назад

Great video!Could you test also the new plug in called AIDA-X? Also free and they have the option to add it in the MOD Dwarf pedal. It is a game changer for me!

@PippPriss Год назад

Thanks for the tip! Certainly interesting, I will see what I can do on checking that one out. I do not have the MOD Dwarf, even though that unit had me intrigued quite some time!

@c72367 Год назад

Nice video, although I would have appreciated to hear comparison also on clean or just with minimal crunch/distortion. Having a lot of distortion kind of hides the possible differences for me.

@PippPriss Год назад

Thank you! I am unfortunately a total idiot when it comes to cleans - but what I am thinking of doing is a video where I am not diving into how NAM works or so, but just explore different tones with NAM, together with possibly other freeware plugins to kind of make good clean tones, good crunch tones, good high-gain tones on a budget. I could imagine such a video fairs well view-count-wise and offers a bit more for people to enjoy. What'ya think of something like that? 🙂

@c72367 Год назад

@@PippPriss absolutely!!

@woodward_alan 11 месяцев назад

Did my first NAM model today. I checked Tempest after... great songs and tone. Did you capture and upload your rig for Collateral Murder?

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for checking out TEMPEST! Glad you liked it! Unfortunately, the rig was an Axe-FX preset of Widek, the engineer who mixed and mastered our album, and I have no access to this tone.

@Jarde-kl3uv Год назад

Where does the crackling come from in the null test? Great video btw!

@PippPriss Год назад

The crackling is basically the "leftover" after putting source and destination files in reverse phase relation to each other. So everything perfectly "nulls out", except for some dynamic shifts in gain and compression, which is the crackling. This shows how super close both ToneX and NAM (more accurate than ToneX) are.

@Jarde-kl3uv Год назад

@@PippPriss Yes I know what 180° degree phase flip produces, but these crackles are a bit unusual... Like a camp fire 🔥. And thanks for replying!

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

The crackles are so unusual, because there is so much phased out, meaning NAM is so incredibly close. If there were more differences, like what I saw and heard on Kemper profiles, then it would sound less like a camp fire ;-) Thanks for asking, glad to always help and engage!

@christianpucciarelli Год назад

I always tought about a vst loading pedal , mod dwarf does something similar but I guess it loads only specific created vst’s

@PippPriss Год назад

The MOD Dwarf only loads LV2- plugins, which is a different standard than VST. But in the NAM community there are people working on a LV2 version, or they even might be finished doing so! Definitely worth checking out!

@christianpucciarelli Год назад

@@PippPriss being able to bring nam to the stage with a simple device would be a great solution !

@jmstroupe Год назад

Pretty cool. Can these load into the tonex pedal?

@PippPriss Год назад

Unfortunately not! But I will eventually make the same settings and profiles for ToneX and maybe make a video to ToneX as well.

@timperry8961 Год назад

I'm experiencing big latency on Focusrite Scarlett 2i2. Any tips on reducing that?

@JulianA-tr6pt 11 месяцев назад

If you haven't fixed it yet, or for anyone else with the issue - If your computer can handle it, set the buffer lower. I've had good results at 192 which I believe is the lowest the amp software goes. Set this on the focusrite config software and the DAW/amp software. Also, within the software settings if you're using the standalone amp software, make sure it's set to ASIO. DirectSound will have loads of latency.

@chopshop777 Месяц назад

Dude, you got some wicked thrashy riffs, do you have an album out ? any link ? spotify ? cheers. Ed

@PippPriss Месяц назад

Thank you so much! Yes, I have a thrash metal band called TEMPEST -> tempest-thrash.bandcamp.com ! :-)

@chopshop777 Месяц назад

@@PippPriss fuck dude, took me a few tries to find it, but I found it, cause there's a few other unrelated bands , artists on there that use Tempest as well, but I found yours, killer album, love those riffs, cheers from Vancouver, Canada, hope to catch tempest around here at some point. Ed

@VladoBelo Год назад

Hi, I don't speak English well, so I write with the help of a translator 😀 Please advise, I have installed the plugin, I can see the app and also the standalone plugin in daw.. Still it doesn't work for me... I have the input on the sound card set to audio, the cable is plugged in and I can't hear, no NAM sound... The input indicator on the NAM shows no signal.. But I can hear only clean sound from the monitors ... Is it necessary to install something else besides the plugin? Thanks for the advice 😀

@PippPriss Год назад

Hi Vlado! Normally, if you hear "clean sound", then there should be input signal on the NAM plugin. Have you loaded models? You have to load models into the Neural Amp Modeler, so that it works.

@YpeMusic Год назад

great video but why are models and ir's not showing after installation?

@PippPriss Год назад

The models and IR have to be downloaded separately - link to the models and IR can be found in the link in the description! :-)

@georgezorbas9036 11 месяцев назад

I have bough Tonex and I can understand the sound of it, it is not so good as NAM. Tonex has something that's not like the NAM or real amp. I wish it was as good as NAM. BRAVO for your technical video comparison.

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

Well, I also have ToneX, and actually the ToneX pedal, and I am with you here. ToneX does lack something, whereas NAM is super accurate. But that said, ToneX is very much well enough for live use and is also a great concept. Compared it yesterday to a Kemper, and there was just a minute difference.

@SAMPRZZZ Год назад

Can you upload the community profiles too? I would like to try the 5150. I do not have facebook. Thanks for the detailed review btw

@PippPriss Год назад

Unfortunately I cannot upload other peoples work out of respect to their work, but I can share one link to Jon Arnolds and Petr Canovs captures, which are definitely among the best - posting all the links understandably is not possible for me, and we are discussing heavily in the group regarding some form of centralized repository system. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1s6kfBa-dO_m2Uwa7q3bVP6FZxr0PMwbg?fbclid=IwAR0wlDW4EYuDi_Byp2o6NGdWDMQ5dbk7cTG8EiKzBc_rmoB1pT3s-AzYQVc

@SAMPRZZZ Год назад

@@PippPriss Thanks, I understand and appreciate your effort. I'm going to test this tones right now.

@PippPriss Год назад

@@SAMPRZZZ Awesome, let me know what you think of 'em! 🙂

@attillal4821 Год назад

When are you putting it in a hardware format? 💪

@PippPriss Год назад

Unfortunately, there very few hardwares which can host plugins. The MOD Dwarf can load plugins in the L2V format, which is currently under discussion on the github page for NAM. I think I also saw in the facebook group, that one user managed to get it working on his NeuralPi pedal, which is kind of a Raspberry Pi - based plugin hosting pedal or so.

@berndkiltz Год назад

Nice Video... but why do you have music running THAT IS OUT OF TUNE?

@PippPriss Год назад

I just searched some lofi Background music which was royalty free 😂 I will search for something more inviting for the next video. But it was easy to find and served it's purpose quite well 😂

@berndkiltz Год назад

@@PippPriss Your Audience are guitar player who want to noodle along... just dont do music, please! The Video is great and thank you for introducing me to NAM :)

@berndkiltz Год назад

By the way I almost switched off because of the music though I was REALLY interested in the topic ;)

@PippPriss Год назад

@@berndkiltz Thank you for the very kind words! I have seen a lot of videos of yours (fellow German here) and it's an honor that this video has appealed to you execution-wise (except for the music). 🙂

@berndkiltz Год назад

@@PippPriss Oh, thanks for watching - DANKE! :)

@dannykiernan Год назад

Were you using hardware to get the captures?

@PippPriss Год назад

Yes, a Palmer DACAPPO ReAmp box between interface and amp and ay ToneHound Reactive Loadbox.

@vaughanmacegan4012 Год назад

A VST hosting pedal ... hmmm, isn't HeadRush attempting to do something like that right now with the Prime unit. This could get very, very interesting. And the Quad Cortex has been promising this since 2019.

@oskarwroniewicz Год назад

Kinda makes me regret the money I've spent on plugins. At least I have some pretty GUIs to look at lmao. Also, that IR you use sounds CRUSHING, what pack is that?

@PippPriss Год назад

That IR is extracted out of the STL Tones Josh Middleton Tonality Plugin suite. After clarifying with STL Tones, the fine folks there are okay with me sharing it with the community. You can find it in the model list in the link in the description below. And also, don't regret your plugin purchases - I love full suite plugins, they are a different animal than NAM and also have their appeal. 🙂

@oskarwroniewicz Год назад

@@PippPriss Man, I'm really surprised you made the effort to write to STL guys about sharing the IR. Thank you! Can't wait to try it!

@davidmultimedia2024 Год назад

NAM sounds AWESOME... but am I the only one having extreme CPU usage, compared to Tonex? I have a i7 8 core CPU, and this is crazy! In Studio One 6, disabling/enabling 1 instance of Tonex doesn't change CPU performance.. but enabling NAM makes it jump from 35% to 50-55% (I have a of tracks with lots of plugins, so that's why my CPU usage is at 35% initially).

@PippPriss Год назад

NAM is a bit CPU heavy for some folks, I personally never had an issue. This stems from the fact than there are different architectures, similar to ToneX three quality tiers, and most people out there use the highest standard, as well as me. What you can try to do,.since NAM is so accurate, is train a model based on my model, but use the Feather or lite architecture instead of the standard architecture. Should yield in great sounds as well with less CPU consumption.

@everythingisopen 9 месяцев назад

@@PippPriss would mixing with a feather model used as a proxy work? Then swap it out for the max quality one before final mixdown.

@TheLolpwnz Год назад

I would listen vs QC and kemper haha :D

@PippPriss Год назад

Unfortunately do not own any of those products. But I have a buddy with a Kemper. Maybe I can arrange something on this front in the future!

@wolvesandguitars Год назад

what hard ware can you even use it on? bring a laptop to a gig?

@PippPriss Год назад

For now that's the only solution. But people in the Facebook group are looking to get a LV2- format version of NAM, then it could work on the MOD Dwarf pedal. One user was using NAM on his Stomp Pi or so, basically a PI running Linux and then running plugins on it.

@jirosaves_theworld Год назад

not gonna lie i love this than tonex also..... support aax too?

@MorbidManoeuvres 5 месяцев назад

cool, i downloaded it but can not find any modelers or ir for it

@PippPriss 4 месяца назад

Check Out tonehunt.org for thousands of models to load into NAM! :-)

@zgrsky Год назад

Where to find that community page with other's people models?

@PippPriss Год назад

Check the link to facebook in the description of the video down below! 🙂

@zgrsky Год назад

@@PippPriss thx

@brianmac8260 Год назад

Here's a question! Could a similar unit do Tape? 🙂

@PippPriss Год назад

There are in the facebook group some models which try to replicate the coloring of tape machines! Go check it out 🙂

@LosAngelesPilot Год назад

It would be nice if there was documentation or a manual for this.

@PippPriss Год назад

Check out the facebook group, or Jason Zdoras channel, as he has a few videos on using NAM/training your model. 🙂

@LosAngelesPilot Год назад

@@PippPriss like I said, Too bad there isn't any documentation or manual...videos are not documentation.

@ChrisMusickx Год назад

I tried to join the FB group twice but they don't accept my request somehow... anybody knows whats going on there ??

@motorhomefamily256 Год назад

Would be nice if there where chapters to point towards you null tests mentioned here, tonex owners who dont gig are jealous for buying a pedal for nothing

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

There are actually chapters when I open it, but yeah the null-test is hidden in the "Amp vs NAM vs ToneX" chapter - around 17:00 it starts, for anybody interested. Thanks for adding this comment, I will add it to the description!

@elar6383 Год назад

what is the win-pdbs zip file?

@antoninomagliocco Год назад

Are there any IR?

@PippPriss Год назад

There is one IR in the Pack which I extracted from STL Tones Josh Middleton and which STL Tones Aas awesome enough to allow me to have it uploaded. Kudos to them for this!

@justingreen8006 Год назад

I'd appreciate some non metal demos. Some clean, blues, and rock examples.

@MyWickedTwin Год назад

I am unable to use it - Cakewalk is unable to see it...

@mariacosta2211 Год назад

Tonex the best!

@nicolethewitch7 Год назад

How do I add models and stuff??

@PippPriss 10 месяцев назад

You can find models on tonehunt.org ! Check it out, there are thousands of models there! :-)

@kiwiberry411 Год назад

For me, the take-away is not which one is better. It's so damn close. No, the amazing thing is how accessible good tones are now. I paid a small fortune for my Kemper and now I can get just as good or better tones for free. Thats huge.

@Fatherflot64 Год назад

I tried this and I didn't hear anything special, no matter how many .nam files I tried. And even with latency set as low as possible in my DAW, it sounded and felt exactly like every other guitar plugin in my DAW --- very processed and with a latency that makes playing through it impossible. How come I can sculpt fantastic tones with no discernible latency with my NuX MG-30, but I can't get anything better from this than the old Boogex plugin? I'm sure I'm missing something --- what is it?

@PippPriss Год назад

Have you set the sample rate to 48 kHz? What is your buffer size? I have a roundtrip latency of under 5 ms - that's like standing 1,5m away from a guitar cabinet, which, let's face it, would be plain idiotic. So I assume you have something set up wrong, if you have perceivable latency. Of course, the quality of the sounds given is highly dependent on the capture you are loading - did you like the tones I got in my video and tried these captures, or did you went for other captures? In all fairness, NAM is hard to compete vs. full scale amplifiers and modelling amplifiers, because these have all these features to change the tone. But when it comes to pure capture-tech, NAM definitely is the most accurate solution, and yes, the price (=free) is the actual game-changer here. If you'd pay 30$ for this, it would have a hard time competing against ToneX SE on Sale for 50$ in value.