Never, EVER do these 5 things with your PC... 

Some computers retain a lot of power, some....not so much. I've had one computer I was working on retain enough power to actually turn on for about half a second.

@@gamechaser002 that's some hefty capacitors. wow.

@@gamechaser002 Mine does that :D Powers the fans for almost a second while holding the button - kinda like watching it get starved for breath... :( (Super Flower Leadex II Gold 1200W)

You are not wrong. When I turn off my psu, and then hit the main power, I see LED’s light up as well as all fans spin for a brief second until all power is discharged. I do that anytime I work on my PC. Better safe then sorry, especially when the GPU itself costs a ton of cash!!

I do that, especially if I want to completely power cycle and come back to the computer with a cold boot.

For the first point I was a little confused, because a lot of people are rocking these very popular Lian Li Strimer cables. I wonder if that could be an issue.

@king those are extensions. that's not the same

@@KingALLO69 well those cables are simply extensions that go on the original psu cables. They don’t directly plug into the psu

@@Dreyden12274 @Arun got it, thanks! That makes sense.

My house and my PC, I will smoke my joints while at the PC if I want too

not all heroes wear vape capes

aka 'just get a Noctua'

It looks like my ekwb classic CPU block did me dirty on my msi z590i unify board. It'll randomly start throwing cpu errors via bios diagnostic lights, and not even show bios. Only 'fix' is to reseat CPU, and that's temporary

Happened to me with a stock Ryzen cooler, just had to loosen a bit if not mobo wasn't posting

@@G0nZ4Low glad it worked out for you, backing off the screws on my waterblock isn't fixing it though. Damage may be permanent

and crack faces

I heard somewhere that leaving a PC plugged into a properly grounded outlet is safer than me being the only ground... no?

@@burtpanzer That's why you ground yourself before doing anything to a PC internally?

What if I am trying to harvest magic smoke to put in something else?

@@TorpeAlex If it's grounded, and you're touching the metal with one hand you don't have to wear a ground.

@Brian Rogers I went to trade school about 10 years before I went to university.

By crashes u mean the pc turned on and randomly crashed?

@bruh meme bruh, it rly hard to tell if its COMPLETLY INSERTED or just slightly.. they dont have a click..

@@cj7073 turned off, lost screen first and sometimes also the whole computer. Prob a minor short circuit.

U mean click

They normally have some sort of edge that makes them stick together or be unable to move once plugged in. But when your new to it pretty much everything can be overlooked. Especially since most youtuber builds focus on making sure the XMP profile is loaded up...

Lol

gross

Is this serious? Is the cat fine? So confused rn.

In short: don't get pets, especially cats

*yeeted*

The PSU to motherboard side is standardized, but not the modular cables themselves.

@@triadwarfare why don't they just use the same plugs as the mobo side???

@@virtualtools_3021 Good question, space may be it. Still, it's possible to make a standard.

there is no standards body to govern it. PSUs were never designed to have removable cables in the beginning. One of the manufacturers just decided on it as a cool gimmick and everyone followed but nobody ever agreed in a standard.

It's only weird until you realise why they do it - money. If you change the pin-outs from time to time, customers need to buy YOUR specific cables rather than your competitors' cables.

Probably because there's no need (from the PSU manufacturer's perspective) for a standard. Sure, it would be nice from a customer side, but no one is going to buy one PSU over the other because the cables are standardized. It would take someone like Intel to step in to force the standardization but there's no reason for them to care what happens on the PSU side of the cables.

@@nanoflower1 on the contrary. Modular PSUs are generally more expensive, they are touted as the top of the line. With that expectation, we, the customers, should expect some sort of standards After all, the wrong cable then becomes a major Safety issue.

Why did they make random bullshit in the first place instead of just using the same connectors as motherboards

@@Jules_Diplopia Not really a major safety issue when you hardly ever hear about it. It's like evolution; if there's no evolutionary pressure, nothing happens. No adaptation

Because while every PSU manufacturer does want there to be a standard, they also want to be the one to MAKE that standard. Big money in that but because everyone's trying to do the same, it's just a mess.

I work in a company's computer lab and we mix AC power cables all the time. Never once have had a problem. Don't know if Jay means something like those PCU's with the removable cables for inside the case tho.

@Jason Fitch only someone without electrical knowledge would just say hot and ground. PSUs have 12V, 5V and 3.3V pins. If you put 12V on 5V SATA pins, your SSD or HDD will blow up.

Is he talking about the cable that plugs in to the outlet? Or the other cables inside? That you don’t want to use on other ps

@@crossbowhunter9118 inside. The modular PSU cables

They are the same, I don't know why this guy says that an MSI standard PCIe 8x is different from Seasonic PCIe8x cable, because it is not. It is the same. Never had any problems for over 32 years now!

I agree 100000%.

tell that to apple

but then people can't burn there houses down if that were a standard

I accidentally got the wrong PSU box when replacing a PSU. So now I have a big box or accidentally mixed cables. So I need to measure them.

@@rednarok Dell even went further with moderboards and PSU that switched the orders of the cables on the *motherboard* side. Just to block use of arbitrary PSU. But resulting in fire for some motherboards and PSU.

Caveat, do not use said cheap meter on anything with serious current or voltage. The very cheap meters can have poor input protection and can be hazardous. I wouldn't trust an Amazon 10$ meter. That said, 30$ will get you something capable of handling more juice. Of course if all you're going to do is check pinout, etc. even the cheapest meter will be safe.

@@ptitjo42 probably best to get a reputable brand of multimeter (e.g. Uni-T, Fluke, Tenma, Sealey, Voltcraft)

@@Tomd8002 yeah we definitely need A 300 dollar fluke to measure a max of 12v and check continuity

Somebody missed the assignment, 😂

Led plus a battery also dies the trick. Better with buzzeers.

Reverse the fans when in a cubby.

He has a good point except that hot air by default is higher pressure than cold air lol. That just isn't how physics works.

@@cbrunnem6102 hmm internet physics; where people believe pressure from temperature is more influential than pressure generated by a fan.

@@mostlypeacefulrowan8747 not sure what you mean but Jay misspoke but is still kind of right. As the air heats up in a sealed container the pressure will go up. In a cabinet this air will push out till the pressure equalizes which will be pretty quickly then you just have an oven. Pressures we are talking about are super low. Like less than an inch of water low.

@@cbrunnem6102 a cubby hole heats up coz the only place hot air can go is to the front where the intake is. If you turn the computer around or swap direction of fans the hot air gets blasted out into the room.

i leave my pc turned on every day and night theres no reason not to my fans stay idle when nothing is happening on pc

I'm running a zomboid server on my old gaming pc. Has been on 24/7 for months now

I have garbage internet speeds (thankfully no data caps) because there's only 1 provider for my area. To fully download something like doom eternal 80+ gigs it takes me nearly a week of uptime.

My main rig is on 24/7, and it does have a custom loop in it. Not too worried about it failing since a) I built the whole thing from scratch and took some precautions and b) I built it for the cooling benefit, not at all for looks, which is why it's set up with 16x10mm EPDM rubber tubing (the same black stuff you'd find on cars) and running G11 (blue) car coolant premix, because I've had bad experiences with boutique pc-specific coolant not even lasting a year before deposits started blocking the fins in the blocks. The car coolant has been going for 2 years now with no discoloration or deposits. Only maintenance I had to do so far was clean the rad and fans

I do switch my pc off when I am not using it, as I do have consideration for the environment unless it is a server, switch it off!

Yup, allow capacitors to discharge, they are like little temporary batteries

I'm a smoker ( for my sins) I clean and wipe down my pc with ipa once a fortnight give it a good blow out with an air duster ,and deep clean it once every three months. so far I've avoided any nasty tarry residue. ( with a predominately white build it needs to be done :)

Good shout.

@@grumpyratt2163 that's impressive if you managed to keep it clean

@@grumpyratt2163 I used to smoke, now i vape. I used to smoke a pack a day, but it never really affected my pcs. A couple of years ago a bought a used computer, and OMG this guy must have smoked 3-4 packs a day. Everything was COVERED in nicotine and smelled horrible. I litteraly pullede everything apart and washed every components multiple times. It took about 4 days, but finally the smell went away

I agree. The ATx standard is already there for slot locations, lengths, and SATA connectors among other things, so why not apply that to other things like pinouts for the internal side of modular power supplies. The case manufacturers have gotten pretty good with their connectors more recently. Instead of plugging in all those tiny connections on the headers we can't see, they're now using a single-piece header that plugs in across all the pins at one. This isn't true of all brands, but the bigger names have gotten smart that way.

But you must live the knowledge gained in gauging, tracking, maybe using a multi-meter. I agree, but there's something about the plug and play nature of things seems ....... idk, further from the metal. Like a built a PC, but I don't feel like I built a PC, It was easier than Ikea lol; Legos for adults.

I can't imagine someone not absolutely loving those tiny single pin cables /s

@@Clavichordist correction: *You* can't see the little cable headers.

@@thehotdogman9317 That's right we can't, but what's stopping the manufacturers of these modular power supplies from following a standard pin layout? It doesn't matter what their power supplies do on the inside or outside. The only difference is how they lay things out for their wire connections. If they adhered to a standard just like there is now for pinouts for the ATX power supplies, then if someone had older cables leftover, they could use those instead. This is the same as standard network CAT5 or CAT6, serial ports, RS422 ports, and so on. To sum it up, they all need to use a set standard for pinouts to the connectors. Simple, Pin 1 = +5, Pin 2 = -12, Pin 3 = Ground, etc.

I think I just learned this lesson 1 week too late, coworker gave me his old 970 to SLI with mine, I was short a cable from my power supply so I grab an old one, no "smoke pressure" was released but....more testing to be done. This is good to know going forward with the trial/error

As long as the PC is not powered on or plugged in while you work and you're not mismatching architectures or using a very staticky sweater in winter, you'll be fine

@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 i used to wash my mb in the sink let it dry and pop it back in, they are pretty resilient

@@Galgamoth Yup. Water can't kill electronics by itself. The device also needs to be powered on. If you remove one of the factors, the shorting will not occur, and the hardware won't die. You do have to make sure it is completely, 100% dry by the time it's plugged in, though.

Building a pc and upgrading it is so easy. Even updating the bios is not even stressful. I'm not even that knowedgable on computers and I've built and upgraded the pc I'm using right now over the years. I even just updated the bios on my b350 board so it can run the r7 5700x3d I'm getting tomorrow in the mail.

Lmao same here, haven't turned on a heater in my bedroom this winter yet, and it's gotten down as low as 25 degrees Fahrenheit

@nomasporfavor That actually kinda means more heat is being pulled from the chip

U guys have winter?

@nomasporfavor that means its working better as a heater

yep, winter so i shut the vents in the office. play some zombies/forza/eu4/dbd and that room becomes a heater. (I have an Asus hybrid 3080ti)

Vapes too. Not quite as gross as tar from cigarettes but sticky and unpleasant

I assume it wasn't mentioned due to RU-vid being RU-vid, but the same goes for weed. I have a friend that practically breathes more weed than he does air, and he gifted me a video card once...astoundingly, the fans turned, but not only did it stink my room up almost immediately, but after a couple gaming sessions it left syrupy puddles at the bottom of the case.

@@OOZ662 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮

@Casual Scum Unless you're reaching condensing levels of humidity where your computer is literally dripping wet, then nothing. In OP's case, the resin is trapping moisture to where it can't get away from the components and thus corroding them. Outside the realm of computers, though, I'd recommend getting a dehumidifier if you don't want your entire life to be mold (I was there before I got mine), and even though they're hundreds of dollars, get a real one that's comparable to the size of a mid-to-large desktop computer case and pulls gallons of water per day. The

No matter what you do, if you surf the net you're going to get nonsense into your computer.

How does that work electrically?

You don't actually want to unplug the cable since you will lose ground then. Just turn it off and do a power cycle.

I prefer to switch off the power at the wall socket (an advantage of UK sockets is that most have their own switch) but leave them plugged in, to provide a known good earth (ground) connection for the whole system. But I've only been working on them since CP/M powered anything smaller than a room-sized computer, so what do I know. Holding in the power button after everything is switched off will usually discharge the huge capacitors in the PSU as well, which is a jolly good idea.

Why do you press the case's button after switching off the PSU? It doesn't get power, anyway.

@@galgrunfeld9954 There is still considerable power in the huge smoothing capacitors in the PSU even after it has been unplugged - enough to briefly start a PC for up to a second, or enough to present a serious health hazard, so do NOT test this by poking around inside.

@@Kreubs what is a power cycle drain?

Welcome to a wonderful hobby. Whether it's building from the ground up to modding. We were all noobs in the beginning too. Enjoy!

I was a total noob too, when I started over a year ago. It’s nerve racking stuff at first, but building PC’s is easy and fun to do now. It just requires patience. PC’s are sooo advanced now a days.

I have been building mine for months, I'm nervous and am researching and proceeding at a snails pace.

@@Thesyndicate11111 Not how fast or slow it takes you, but the joy in the journey and the final outcome. Your very first PC. I know mine was truly awesome that I actually built a computer from scratch.

@@bretttanton328 Couldn't have said it better. Cheers

To me, the point of liquid cooling is never that it cools better, but that a radiator-configuration spits the hot air right out of the case, rather than keeping it inside first, with a hot GPU, while it's waiting to be transferred outside with some kind of airflow. - Of course, for a server that won't be as much of a problem, as it usually doesn't have a raging GPU inside that needs all the cooling it can get. - But generally high-performance PCs do and need to get rid of that hot air as quickly and efficiently as possible. But a server needs to be left alone and be reliable, so it makes sense to keep it away from any liquids and potential failures.

@@michaelmonstar4276 You can simply make internal ductwork for your case to isolate it into 2 or more airflow zones. This improves thermals by 3-5C for me.

I must admit I needed to stream Ultra Music Festival Miami high res in 2014 after my old tower died. So I put my laptop on ice packs. Rotated them out. Monitored the moisture and it kept going. Not advised but it worked.

Yeah, I mean even the example he gives doesn't support that. He only realized cause he went to clean it not cause he was there when it started happening. A much better advice would be to do regular checks to the inside of your PC, easier nowaways since so many cases have tempered glass. Just take a peek inside your pc

Thing is IF you are there, and you DO notice it (which, unless you're looking for it, I'd say it'd be easy to miss) you can mitigate the damage. But, in most cases, people aren't going to notice or be looking for a leak.

@@Belkak021 It's so you can pour a bag of kitty litter on the leak. ;)

Aren't many of the fluids non conductive anyways

Best thing is to not have liquid cooling.

*press and hold the power button

The network light won't come on unless both ends are plugged in, and the device on the other end is powered so don't go by that.

@@joer8854 That is a point. I shall make a small edit.

@@jimbass1664 np

Especially since we are all running bigger wattage PSUs cause of today's power-hungry components. 15 years ago a 550watt was considered overkill for 2 sli gpus . Gtx 4090 sounds like 1200watts will be recommended. Mise well just future proof yourself and get a evga t2 1600 watt for your 6090 in 2026

I mixed up monitor cables with my pc cable so idk which is truly which. No problems yet lol

@@MrKfloz We swap AC cables at my job in an IT Lab all the time. Never once had a problem.

@@scaryhobbit211 It wasn't the AC cables. It was the modular cables going from the Power Supply to the various bits inside.. Specifically, the ones that caused problems were the ones going from the Power Supply to the Hard Drive and Disk Drive. .

Well, unfortunately - *unlike virtually everything else* - there's no standard on the modular side of power supply cables. Some manufacturer just innovated (and might have pantented the pin-out?) and others copied it their own way, with different pin-outs, so now we got this mess. That's why I just got extension cables from cablemod. Replacement cables for your specific PSU are more expensive and possibly need to be replaced when you change your PSU for any reason. Who's gonna see the difference anyway?

@@thomasbedient9191 I see where I got mixed up. I couldn't tell from his phrasing that he was talking about *Modular* PSUs only and not *all* PSUs. I mainly work with just normal PSUs with cables that are attached permanently to the PSU. So when I hear "power supply modular cables", the only "modular" cable I'm familiar with is the AC. Tho admittedly I've just recently swapped out a dying PSU in my main PC for a fresh one (both are just regular, not modular), so there was a bit of paranoia at play.

to be fair, its very likely they'll just work, specially going from seasonic to 150extra w seasonic

@@greenumbrellacorp5744 true, but I'm risk adverse.

congratulations on repeating Jay like a parrot. You are a real smart one, it's obvious.

And then you have the same work or issues with the air cleaner 😂 I vape and smoke for years next to my pc and aside from more work with cleaning, there is no issue. At least if you have air intake filter that keeps most of the dust outside

It sounds like good advise, but it feels a little overkill too. It's a very specific extra purchase. A bowl full of water with a drop of dish soap is standard practice for getting the inserts into hardline tubing for bending them. A dab of that mix with a finger also works well as o-ring lube.

@@tassadarforaiur but dish soap is also a de greaser so when removing it is possible to split the o ring. I understand though if you wont be removing it. I also use nautical lubricant for o rings in cooling systems

Or the grease that comes with calipers for the slide bolts

@@Alucard-gt1zf No. Certain types of o-ring materials will absolutely perish if any oil is used. You can't know the material, unless it's specifically stated. There's like epdm, viton, nbr and ie. silicon options available in pretty much all systems. Some withstand ie. grease, some don't.

run prime95 and see if it thermal throttles

Wouldn’t a standardized plug between all psu get rid of those problems though?

That would be the case if every power supply was built exactly the same. Although they are similar, they are all different in some way.

@@King_DarkSide ya I get that. And any expense added to the standardized manufacturing process would undoubtedly be passed on to the consumer. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t kinda situation.

@@King_DarkSide That's what standardization means... Although each power supply is different than another in terms of efficiency and total power output, they DO the same thing. they supply the same thing. they are already standardized in terms of dimensions and hole placement (ATX SFX). are already somewhat standardized in terms of output cables too. 20+4 pin, 4+4 pin, sata power, molex power, etc... is it so much to ask that the other end of those cables is standard too? they are just wires in plastic blocks, you can put them anywhere you want. can we just all agree what goes where?

@Desktopia agree 100%

Can confirm, warrenty will be voided if the thing is choked with tar

That or a cigarettes' smokers where you keep wiping it down and nasty brown residue keeps coming off.

What if what is being vaped is mostly CBD with a fraction of THC in it but no nicotine involved? And what if it's a desktop PC rather than a laptop?

@@damienholland8103 It doesn't matter what you vape. The basic substance that produces the smoke is deposited on the components. On desktop PCs there is more space and most of the smoke "only" touches the coolers and not directly the PCB. In other words. Desktop PCs are not as susceptible, but depending on how much you smoke, a desktop PC can of course break.

@@bradclapp4022 Yes, it's disgusting too, but since it's not a liquid, the likelihood of it shorting out, for example, is much lower. On the other hand, it makes cleaning much more difficult and clogs smaller coolers much faster.

Agreed, that point was a bit ridiculous. Maybe it might be good practice to use air cooling if you're going to leave your system unattended often, but realistically speaking I doubt the probability of a leak killing your system is higher than the large variety of other factors that could cause your system to fail.

I’ve had the same liquid cooler for 5 years with no leaks so I’d say it’s fine

The thing with water cooling is regular maintenance. You inspect it (are there wet spots around fittings or radiators, are there indications of degradation on the tubes etc). You perform regular maintenance (renewing tubes & liquid every few months) and of course you thoroughly test it after each risky activity (maintenance, moving the case...). Lastly, some external monitoring with emergency shutdown may be sensible. Relevant anecdote: ran a system without any maintenance for 10 years. So yeah, it might work if you're lucky.

@@HupfderFloh Meh. There are no moving parts in a water-cooled rig, so there is nothing to maintain beyond any other PC. Renewing tubes & liquid every few months? Are you nuts? You clearly don't have a water-cooled rig. It's a sealed loop, there is zero water loss. And then you say you ran one into the ground for ten years? You're just typing to hear yourself click. You simply use quality parts, & build the rig properly, & you have little to worry about.

@@JeighNeither "no moving parts", suure... Basically you retain all the failure modes from an air cooled system and then you add many more (pump failure, clogging, corrosion, dissipation, thermic pressure changes etc). With careful setup and proper initial testing, sure, the failure probability is low and you could very well get away with it for a long time without issues - see my anecdotal evidence. Also if you know what you're doing™ you can certainly engineer a very reliable system (looking at IBM z15, for example). However as an amateur, I wouldn't trust my rig running unattended in my parent's basement while I'm out on vacation. The renewing of tubes and liquid parts is mostly for aesthetic reasons, but inspections are necessary e.g. to reveal bent tubes after moving/modifying something or check for sediments, improper water levels etc.

It's not that bad. I have been using AIO coolers for the past year. Most likely thing to happen is the pump failing.

As Gabriel also replied it typically isn't bad. You do run significantly higher risk on custom loops than with AIOs. I've run water cooled AIOs from Corsair going on about 4 years straight without issue in both my system and my wife's system. I do run air cooling on my server that runs 24/7, but I need the water cooling for the massive overclocks we run on our gaming rigs. We do sometimes leave them unattended, however we try to shut them down at night and when we aren't on them. I've never had an issue, but you can have issues and you should be mindful to mitigate risks. Don't be afraid to move to water cooling if you want it quieter or need it for overclocking, but don't feel like you have to switch if your air cooler is getting the job done well.

I've been running CPU AiOs exclusively since 2013. I've never had one fail or leak. Realistically, if an AiO is going to leak onto expensive components, you probably aren't going to catch it in time even if you're there. And even if you turn it off, it will still leak and the next day you fire it up and... well, you might really fire things up. If you're really worried about it, non-conductive cooling fluid can be purchased, though with an AiO you might have to get crafty.

i cant escape physics class 💀

I have a flow meter and an aquaero programmed to shut it off of the water flow slows. Furthermore, my case is configured in such a way that all of the potential leak points won't drip on components.

@bruh memeWe are talking about less than 2 feet of square space to cover. Two sensors would be adaquate , and $100 is not much compared to the $2000+ for a mid-tier rig. I'm sure a skilled modder could come up with a way to make it work. Bonus, some of the sensors can alert you to temperature target settings (if it's overheating) and if it is moved (like stolen, or your psyco cat knocks it over).

Did that with my 1070TI years ago

It's just fkn insane... imagine in the future when people have PSU's and cables lieing around and someone ask for spare parts... how the hell was this allowed to happen, blows my mind.

Easy, lack of regulation. But freedom eh

@@markcorrigan3930 not really a question of regulation so much as no standardisation. ISO standards, for instance, move slowly and while they are working the companies have time to invest in their own products. This leads to fierce fights regarding the final version of the standard. Change of pinout for a companies own products though I really can't get.

@@markcorrigan3930 but what's stopping the companies to gather up and agree on a different plug :S

My PC used to turn on randomly (thanks, Windows 10! 🙄) for a year and I couldn't figure out why. Everything in the BIOS was disabled. So I just bought a switchable socket adapter and cut the power to the power strip that feeds the PC before I leave or go to bed. It also cuts down on standby power draw from monitors and such.

Modern CPU's and GPU's will thermal throttle before they burn up. Had a CPU fan die and before I noticed the CPU had throttled down to 500mhz, changed the fan and 6 years later that same CPU is still fine.

@@LRM12o8 yeah had the same issue with my PC waking itself back up no more than ten minutes after I put it to sleep. The fix for me was disabling automatic updates in group policy and disallowing most ports in the device manager from waking the computer.

@@Sir_Tachyon I'm not sure, if I tried group policies, but I defo did the thing in devmgr too. If I recall correctly, I found the culprit was my ten year old mechanical keyboard, which for some reason (n-key rollover, I guess) has four devices in devmgr, but the checkbox would randomly be reactivated again, so for me it was just a temporary fix. Must've been a bug. It has no flashy "smart"/connected mombojumbo that could cause such behavior (I love this keyboard). I also had a problem with my AsRock Mainboard that could kill the display output or cause the computer to reboot when plugging in devices and when I got zapped when touching the PC. Guess the board's grounding/shielding didn't work properly. Maybe this issue could also have made it that random voltage spikes in the grid or smth similar could act as a power on signal in the Mainboard. I swapped it out after years of struggling and suspecting other components like the case and PSU. Since I moved into my own place and finally have my PC in a separate room, I don't always cut the power overnight anymore. Whatever caused the problem seems to have been fixed by an update sometime in the last two years. I only came home to my computer running once or twice and that was within the first months after moving. Still good practice to cut the power, especially when you're not home.

I'm about to used water cool to a non OC unit. But my reason would because I will do 3d renders and video edits. Especially I'll use 5800x which they say run hot. Is it better to use air cool instead of water cool?

Exactly! There is no justification for water cooling over air when things like this are a real possibility. Most water cool purely because they think they should, after watching advice from wealthy RU-vidrs who have no problem replacing a $2000 system if things go sideways because of a liquid leak. Most people though can't afford that kind of accident.

@@ObakuZenCenter What do you mean by no justification? Water cooling is justified as a better cooling method. No air cooling will ever come close to the response time water cooling has at keeping your temps low. With proper water cooling you will never see your parts passing a certain temperature degree. No matter the environmental conditions and temperature, no matter the stress your PC is under. Don't get me wrong, there are amazing air cooling options that do an amazing job. But water cooling in terms of cooling performance is just superior. AIO's leaking is something that you have to live with. And it's pretty much the same as any other part malfunction that can happen to your system. You can't make sure an AIO won't leak as much as you can't make sure that your power supply won't suddenly decide to spike the voltage briefly for whatever reason for example. Or your GPU start artifacting because of silicon wear.

@John D A leaky aios are very rare, and pretty much restricted to crappy brands if you get a decent brand you will be fine I've had aios for 4 years and haven't had a single problem also aios are superior to air cooling especially at higher level cpus.

@@ObakuZenCenter Sorry but you are talking garbage. Water cooling is a lot better and failures are extremely rare. For every one you read about, there are thousands that didn't . I've been water cooling for 20 years in multiple machines, never had a single issue due to water.

i HaD OnE ChEaP SaMpLe Of a WaTeRcOoLiNg PrOdUCt EvErY WaTeRcOoLiNg PrOdUct Is BaD Dude thats one Hell of a Statement

no they dont, each cable and psu has their own specs so unless you know what youre doing then just buy same/made specifically cables

although many modders use custom cables just fine so sort of correct as well

Yes, sadly most amateurs never bother to RTFM.

I thought the same but I don't think being there would help any. You still have to notice it so it doesn't really matter whether you are there or not. Regular checkups are enough since leaks are soooooooooo rare. Although, unless you have a high end cpu and plan to oc, a good air cooler will do the job. Depending on where you live at least, here good air coolers are prohibitively expensive and there's a brand that has AIOs at decent prices

The only thing that can really get a pass here would be USB. But even then, there could be a small chance that a short will ruin that plug or worse. I've had it where I plugged something into a usb port and it shorted or had static and the port died :

sounds more like someone didn't bother putting in all the mobo standoffs...

Holy crap mate, I've never needed to apply force to install a RAM module before. Sounds more like your friend thought "is this tight enough" when it was already in place and just kept going to make sure. (Kinda how people inexperienced with bolts/nuts do, where they keep turning it until their arm almost pops off. Ever seen a car mechanic tightening the bolts on the wheels? They literally jump on the cross thingy [not sure what the name of that is].)

@@hitlord nah some definitely need force I was very afraid when putting in my ram cause it didn't go in until I put on a lot of force 🙁

@@no_mnom The exact same experience here, I even thought I had broke something, but it's all good.

Just potentially saved me, had a mixed cable in a new build. Might have worked fine, might have blown my new rig 🤣🤯

This could well be a stupid question, but when you say turn off your system, is sleeping it alright or full on shut down?

why are you against it if you don't mind me asking? I know it's not for everyone but water cooling gives the best temps nothing air cooled can match it especially once the room heats up or during the hot months if you live somewhere without AC like i do.

@@tiernanbriggs8463 Like Jay said, there is a potential for a leak. It's not very likely, but it is still possible. And not being there if it were to leak could lead to a fire in a worst case scenario.

@@Lt.Shineysides89 I don't care for the risk involved, the difficulty of removing components should something go wrong or for an upgrade or the cost associated with water cooling. AIOs I suppose take care of that disassembly problem. But water cooling isn't really much better than a decent air cooling setup. Certainly not enough to justify all the issues that come with water cooling. Just my personal opinion. There are lots of folks out there that use water.

but they will run a non watercooled unatended, but what if the fan fails or the cooler just falls off ? It's just as likely as a watercooling system springing a leak. Fearmongering to keep it exclusive...look at me, i have watercooling, but you shouldn't do it because it could leak.... the elitism is just way beyond.

Mount your gpu vertical and this all becomes a non issue. In myccase the motherboard lays horizontal so so any leaking would only be on the motherboard. Unless of course the leak is a pin hole causing a spray, in which case all bets are off no matter what you do.

disconnect power then press power button to surge residual energy swap parts reconnect everything and boot your welcome saved you 45min to an hour long video

@@joshph2716 Yup I do that all the time and have done that for years. The residual voltage is still in the capacitors and is still enough to spin the fans and light up the LEDs on the motherboard. I showed that to a coworker once because he wasn't taking any precautions after powering off a machine before he was adding in RAM. Some people think it's funny, but when working around power supplies, I still keep my left hand in my back pocket. It's a habit I got into while working as an electronics technician way back when. I used to repair video terminals with flyback transformers and other high voltage devices including switching power supplies. It wasn't uncommon to encounter 30KV off a flyback -transformer or getting zapped by residual voltage still left in the CRT tube. I know it's a bit outdated for the PCs, but after getting zapped a few times old habits stick.

Or just lots of alcohol and a bowl. As I use a lot of it for cleaning (99.7% IPA) it's no big deal to pour a bowl full. Then use a cloth or paper towel dipped in there to clean the case while the components are soaking. Annual maintenance includes a check to see if this is necessary since I saved my life 5 years ago by making the switch to vaping, even though I filter the air going into my PC (and yeah, those filters do get a bit yucky, as the vape residue is sticky so any tiny bit of dust sticks to it once it is on the filter - but they are washable). The filter was added in a fit of paranoia after a new PC, and it hasn't ever actually needed a deep clean - but some parts that have been left around the room have. An extractor fan is also an option, but one I haven't needed - vapour is fairly light (I rarely fog the room out) and as the PC is on the floor and air mostly goes through the air conditioning evaporator (condensing out the vapour and any moisture, which then exits the room as liquid through the drain hose) before arriving at floor level.

Vaping doesn't in fact leave any such residue. It's a long debunked myth.

I leave my computer on almost every night, and my AiO is at least 5 years old now. Now I'm worried about it, LOL! Next build is getting a fan for sure.

Water cooling is 100% for aesthetics. There's just not a benefit people will see either in cooling or noise. People think they need water cooling when they absolutely don't.

@@Nina-cd2ehThat's just not true.

​@@ddog17billybob For 99% of people, it's true. The benefits of water cooling become relevant when you have an expensive enough water cooling and a computer with greater heat throughput. An _extreme_ example being a custom build with a watercooled overclocked cpu and two gpus, all in the same circuit. You won't see any real benefits beyond aesthetics if you have a computer with AIO water cooling on some average cpu. At least, compared to similarly priced air cooling. It's just not worth the extra cost, unless you want to pay for the aesthetics. The problem is people think they _"need"_ watercooling, when it's in fact a luxury product. I'm not saying it s a waste, just that people overestimate the benefits, and underestimate the negatives.

@@Nina-cd2eh that's a fair point and I would agree. But even a single water cooled loop on a high end GPU will keep temps much lower than stock GPU fans. So I disagreed with you 100% for aesthetics point.

The hell is wape

@@John-86 vape obviously

Vape doesn't have tar, my PC's been in my room for 5 years al all 5 years I've vaped in the room. Just the other day I went to clean my pc tower and it was spotless so do tell me how vaping damages your computer 🙃

@@zacharyjohnson6547 did you wipe the inside with a paper towel? It does leave a wet residue because of the glycol/glycerin

Only problem with 4 is that the big air coolers may not fit due to ram or even their height. I use water coolers instead bc of that. But I've been reading Noctua air coolers can outperform many 360mm while producing less noise, so maybe I should change the case?

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I've been using my system for probably nearly 6 years now I never had a leak. Thinking about it I never even heard of any other computer having a leak. Not saying it isn't possible, but I think this fear of leaking is a bit overboard. Now I do turn off my system when I'm not using it though.

@@DukeWooze i've had three different aios and one custom loop and haven't had a single one of them leak

@@kulled Yeah, I'm not saying it wont happen ever, but if anyone wants to get a liquid cooled system it's fine. It's not going to burst spilling water all over the place. Just be a sensible computer user, clean your comp every now and again and notice if anything's broken and you're good.

Most situations it would result in you being able to save your other components. Sure there will most likely be the initial victim but if you're there you can hopefully stop it from having a chain reaction of multiple components getting fried.

I'm about to get liquid cooling, now this makes me worry. Do you get to look at the system every hour...

@@JayJay-ro3px Don’t be scared bud, it’s really rare that stuff like this happens. There won’t be any leaks if you have proper components.

Stop smoking it kills you.

I've had a laptop short a cable from the fog. When the technician opened up the back panel,, drops of juice came out. If it sits in thick fog like mine did, it makes puddles that are conductive.

@@salty5835 why would you care if a random internet guy dies slightly faster?

I wont work on pcs of smokers, they are disgusting on the inside

Blow the clouds into an air purifier. Annoying to have to go somewhere in the middle of a game

As long as you aren’t blowing your vape into the case, chances are you’ll be just fine. Obviously if you have a cloud chucking box mod, maybe hold that shit in for a second so the smoke is less thick and blow it in the other direction, but in the age of disposables that produce almost no vapor, you’ll be fine.

You're going to obliterate the pre-filter if you do that. Just open a window and have a fan blowing out, something to pull air away from your PC.

Or just don't vape at all

Like what. I think the problem is that water is real good at what we use it for.

It’s also cheap

i kept my pc on over night for a year, until all the water in the radiator evaporated. last week, i has to exchange my cooler for a new one. i'll be putting my pc to sleep when not in use, for now on

@@shadowsfm2 I left a computer on for years with an enclosed loop cpu liquid cooler, never had an issue. Turning off your pc (or sleeping) when not in use is good for your power bill, though.

@@kalasmournrex1470you probably have high end custom fittings.

The problem with leaving your side panels off is that it drastically decreases cooling efficacy. When your fans are blowing air into and out of an enclosed space, heat is very effectively radiated from hot components, as cold air quickly moves in to replace the hot air. With the side panels off, the case fans are just blowing some cold air near your CPU/GPU fans, but most of it just gets blown out the side and back into your room, instead of over the hot components - meanwhile the air around your components gets hotter over time.

I would suggest to stop.

@@michaelmonstar4276 Right, the obvious solution is to just... not smoke. It's that easy /s On a more serious note; if you are a smoker, and feel the need to smoke while gaming, I'd suggest designating an area away from your computer to break at. Preferably out in open air. It's better for your computer, your room and slightly better for you, as well. As it separates you from the source of anxiety, stress or whatever is making you want to smoke at your desk for a few minutes in the first place, and also breaks up the sedentary lifestyle of just sitting at your desk for hours.

That's the case with any electronics.

@@thatcomputerguy105 Yeah.. Actually realized that a few days ago. I was having an issue with a B660 board with an outdated bios and trying to make it work with a Core i7 13700.. Of course that's not going to work (and that Mobo has no flashback capability) - but anyways - I wasn't aware of this at this point so there was bunch of pluging/unpluging of various components, swaps, etc.. Then I realized oner thing : I would shutdown the system with a long push on the power button, then I would switch off the PSU and unplug the power cord - only to realize that if I were to push the power button connected to the CPU the whole damn thing would light up for at least a second before giving its last breath ! So yeah : Switching the PSU off, unplugging the power is NOT ENOUGH - you still have to drain the residual power one last time before you are safe !

For good measure, you can unplug the PSU and then turn on the switch, it SHOULD discharge any leftover electricity in a few seconds. And even if you don't, they discharge pretty quickly regardless. BUT i am no expert, that's just what i've read.

@@Azarilh That's what I do now everytime.. I unplug the switch then depress the ATX power switch.. the board briefly awakes and then croak after less than 1 sec.. If you were to leave it like that for some time, it will eventually die out (the BMC will draw power).. But once you have drained out the residuals of the capacitors you are safe. What PSUs should do (or maybe some already do) is when the power input dies (pulling the power cable, the main switch), it should disconnect the output as well.. All that logic needs is the residual energy stored in the capacitors.. and if there is not enough energy in the capacitor to feed the safing logic, then the point is moot anyway !

Standardization is a defacto process. Review boards look at the usage saturation of an item before it's determined whether it gets that standardization stamp. If it's not high enough then it doesn't get approval. Considering that manufacturers don't even keep their own standards between PSU models, the saturation is at best single digit.

@@lordlundar every PC needs a psu. For every motherboard with a standardized 20+4 power connector, there is a psu. Just use the same connector that already exists for the other side. Doesn't even have to be directional if the psu pinout is matched to mobo.

Turning the PC on/off when you have just unplugged your PSU is a way to discharge the computer. Saw that in a build guide somewhere and have done so ever since.