New 2024 Triumph Speed 400 & Scrambler 400X! The details no one is talking about! 

I believe Royal Enfield actually made triumph take competition seriously

I started riding Classic 500 12 years ago (still using it) and have used it mostly for touring in plains and in the Himalayan range. I started when I was 42 and now at 54 I am looking at newer bikes with interest. I have always been attracted to the scramblers (my classic with some mods looks like one) and I have been waiting for the new Scram based on the Himalayan 450. The Triumph 400 appeals to me (except for the golden shocks) depending on the pricing and the parts availability (always an issue with new bike and important to me as a tourer), I'll wait for the test ride and the touch, feel and experience it myself (as you said) before choosing it over the tried and tested RE. BTW, I enjoy your languid and informed commentary. Thank you.

They will fly out of the showrooms. As small as they are, Triumph have set the scene for this modern classic genre and have nailed it. RE have radically improved their product and closed the gap but that gap remains in terms of quality, performance (in every aspect) and design. RE wins on price and there product has improved in every other aspect. These new kids look the part and are an excellent entry level for those wanting a Triumph. RE with thrive in their market as will Triumph albeit in a less mass market environment. Hope everyone that buys one enjoys every moment! I have 2 triples and a twin, might just get one of these singles to complete the stable of Triumph’s.

The Speed 400 has been launched in India at ₹2.23 lakhs, which is the same price of RE Classic 350. At that price, it is incredible value for money!

I went to Triumph yesterday evening for one of their Bike Evenings, they had both new 400's out on show - but no touching ! I have to say they both look really good, really would be a great option for a 'brand conscious' rider looking for a 'smaller' cc bike. I would be surprised if they price them over 6k, possibly between 5500 and 5800 ? That would place them in position to offer the Triumph brand to a wider market in both performance and cost, I will certainly be looking for a test ride in 2024 when its available here in the UK

I have my eye on these Triumph scrambler 400x. They are designed very good and have good amount of specs one need with triumph's loads of accessories to provide. If priced even a little higher than the others with the same capacity range, I will no doubt go for it. Just the fit & finish and vibrations are under check by Bajaj. Rest I am huge fan of maintaining my motorcycles so I would proudly own one and care them to the mint conditions. Waiting for the price release on 5th of July and 6th July is the first ride impressions here in India.

As a hunter owner I completely agree, where does this fit.... another great honest review Stuart 👌🌻🌟

A lot of motorcycle decisions are made on a love at first sight basis. The new 400 Triumphs look terrific and I’m sure lots are looking at them and thinking « I want one ». Long stroke Bikes with low down torque are a delight to ride eg Harleys and Royal Enfields. I’m wondering how the new BSA 650s are selling? Price will be the big deciding factor, not the ride and not the engine characteristics. Thanks Stu for the thoughtful introduction to the new Triumphs.

Great Bikes... Looking forward to driving them. At least they got the power, which I am missing at the RE 350

Interesting, stimulating, blog, thanks. Brand loyalty is an interesting subject. I recently wanted to downsize, on account of age and physical capacity, to a m’cycle that would suit my current needs. After trying the new Speed Twin 900 I decided that suits me well. Add the cost factor of part-exchanging a bike of the same brand and the dealership that is local, the choice became easy. It’s not that Triumph is aways good, or suitable, it’s just that I don’t know enough about other brands (maybe I do with Honda and BMW). So it’s kind of better the devil you know. Same with brand clothing, or household goods. Sometimes you win and sometimes you don’t. Anyway, the challenge to our naïveté is good. Thanks.

FANTASTIC review! I'm a previous Daytona 675 rider, and wanted to downsize to a Trident 660 for commuting. Tridents are going for about $10,000 USD at the moment. I then figured I can upgrade to a Street Triple 765 for the price difference. NOW, knowing this bike is coming out, and seeing how good it looks, it may just be the more reasonable choice to go with. Should be about half the price, and I'll mostly be using it as a commuter and weekend toy. Should be safer, and priced very well

Only problem for me with the RE Hunter is that 20hp at 5k plus fees in the states. It’s just sooo slow.

The Bajaj Dominar 400 is the bike the Triumph 400’s most closely resemble. I think it’s fair to say we in the western world could be minimizing the Triumph legacy and looking to see what Bajaj is sending out into the “West”. Bajaj, “world’s third largest manufacturer of motorcycles”. Next most appropriate bike to compare is the KTM/Husqvarna 390’s. The Triumph 400’s engine runs lower compression than the 390’s, develops max hp at 1,000 rpm less than those engines and delivers 27.7 ft.lbs at 6,500 vs 27 ft.lbs at 7,000. Also has a longer stroke than KTM. There is a BIG tech secret hiding in those Bajaj heads. A new fangled finger follower cam system, not a new innovation but one that modern metallurgy and advanced cnc has made reliable. This makes the valve assemblies lighter and permits more rapid acceleration/deceleration of valve movement which translates into more ability to tune hp and torque numbers. It also permits a shorter engine which you can see. Look at those heads, they’re so low they remind me of the old flathead valve-in-block designs😳

I am from India and I have already booked this bike, it will be delivered by month end. This bike has shaken the entire premium motorcycle market in India due it's excellent value for money, top of the line fit and finish and that too coming from Triumph brand name. They aren't charging a penny extra for the brand name but have undercut every other Japanese and Indian manufacturer in pricing by huge margin. Its slightly more expensive than Classic 350 but of course doesn't have anything retro about it except for the looks. Classic 350 should still be the choice for Western rider who have ridden big liquid cooled bikes because Enfield offers a very different and authentic retro experience while the Triump just has retro aesthetics.

Thanks Stuart. I think there may be a new market sector opening up, namely riders of our generation who are looking to downsize. It was for this reason that my interest was piqued yesterday when I first became aware of these bikes whilst reading MCN. Incidentally based on no hard evidence at all in a conversation with a friend my opinion on the likely price was £6,500 to £7,000! If they are this price though I'll probably go down the Royal Enfield route when the time comes.

Here in Asia anything over 250cc is a luxury bike and the under 500cc retro market has limited choice. The most common complaint about the Royal Enfields and the Honda Highness CB350 / GB350 are that they are heavy and underpowered. Also seat hight is an issue for a lot of riders under 5'9. I know people who have either bought a Rebel 500 or fitted smaller shocks just to get comfortable. I think this bike will at the right price appeal to those looking for a sub 500cc bike that is lightweight, retro looking and with good performance.The speed 400 version has a low seat height. I love my Honda Highness CB350 but I do wish it had just a little more power and less weight (why is chrome so heavy?). This triumph reminds me of the 1980's Honda CB250RS a single 4 stroke which was about the only bike that was as much fun as the 2 strokes that dominated the road at the time. For me dual rear shocks, decent mudguards and spoked wheels would make it a lot more attractive.

Just like to add, I have motorcycles for over 30 years and I have found Mono shocks to be the most effective and comfortable suspension, at least that is my experience

Here in India, the Speed 400 is likely going to be priced about the same as the Interceptor 650. The 390 Duke, also made by Bajaj, starts at roughly the same price as the Interceptor and has very similar specifications to the Speed 400. There is no way it will compete with the Hunter 350 because that is the cheapest bike that RE offers and is just over half the price of the Interceptor and 390 Duke. My Interceptor 650 and my 390 Duke have about the same fuel economy - 16-20 km per litre. That's because of my heavy right hand. It is higher for most other owners. I expect the Speed to have about the same. Indian buyers will probably look to this as a premium alternative to the bikes I mentioned because Triumph is viewed as a premium brand here. However, the bundle of wires around the headstock is not the only sign of budget manufacturing. I think it was in Motobob's walkaround video that I saw a very strong orange peel effect on the fuel tank of the Speed. It was more pronounced than it should have been on my smartphone screen. Of course, an actual close inspection as well as ride will reveal the true level of quality.

Interesting thoughts Stuart The Enfield market Imho has nothing to fear from these Triumph small capacity machines. A. To me they are not what I call retro. B. They are mode rich with LC engines that makes DIY maintenance a pain. Which is very important in the massive asian market C. I very much doubt if their price point will bring them even close to the little simple 350s. Or maybe even the 650s Both of which seem to be selling like hot cakes in all their variants Thanks for another great post Lee

I'll certainly be riding this weekend, after a 6 week wait finally picking up my new RE hunter 😃. I do like the look of these baby triumph's and looking forward to seeing them, could be a future purchase 🤔 but there again as you state probably be too pricey.

Hi Stuart! Another lovely video and some legit questions.. Let me make an effort to answer a few from the Indian market's perspective.. Modern retros presently available in the Indian market are the CB 350 & CB 350 RS from Honda, RE Hunter 350, Yamaha XSR (albeit in a lower CC), TVS Ronin to name a few. I believe BMW is also toying with the idea of a small capacity retro (Maybe a R9T of sorts). Also, I feel that Triumph are playing a great game by introducing the motorbikes as these are most premium feeling machines in their class here. Finally, people who buy the 400 CC class of motorbikes seldom use them as city run-abouts / floggers, for that application there are a myriad of even smaller cubic capacity mobikes available. As far as handling heat is concerned, Bajaj has done a fabulous job with the highly strung KTM 390 engines, I own one since 2017 and its never misbehaved even in stop and go traffic. Triumph looks like it has a huge expectation from the Indian market and hence, has released the SPEED 400 at close to GBP 2200 ex showroom. Even we were shocked after listening to that price. It is an introductory offer for the first 10,000 units though. Wishing Triumph and Bajaj the best. Good motorbikes being made available at a reasonable price is a WIN for every market. Cheers.

Stu, I know it's subjective, but I love the styling. I went to my local RE/Triumph shop a couple of months back to have a look at the Hunter 350, as I was thinking about making one into a scrambler. I own a couple of Triumphs today, TS660 and T120, and the sales guy told me to hold off on the Hunter because Triumph would be rolling out a sub-500cc bike. I'm glad I held off, and, as you said, we'll have to see how it rides. I'm also very interested in how it's priced here in the States.

Some very interesting points you raised. I have to agree about heat coming off the engine, I have a 1200 Scramber and the heat is intense the the summer here in Arkansas and Texas. The air cooled Bonneville I had was nowhere near as bad.

The first thing that caught my attention from RE was the price of their motorcycles and then everyone who had one loved it. I have never owned a Triumph motorcycle and probably never will. I like what i get from RE so i think i will stick with it.

I just started riding a month ago and got myself a used Benelli Leoncino 500. I've never ridden a Triumph but love how they look. When I saw these recently I was taken aback, then buyers remorse started to creep in. But the more I see of these new Triumphs the more I realize, they don't look too much different from my Leoncino. For now I'm happy with it. Would love to get a Triumph one day. But it would be from their larger capacity lines.

Hi Stu, really impressed with your level of deduction here, I think that comes from your past career. The fact you managed to glean so many insights from the images and specs we do have shows you really know your stuff. Thanks for the video. As far as my opinion on them they are going to be popular based on the buzz that is already building, many of the release videos have huge views on day 1. It feels like the early BSA Goldstar days. I'm looking for a new small capacity bike that is a little bit special so to speak and I put a poll on my channel of the new Kawasaki ZX4R (first new in-line 4 400cc in decades) vs this and the Triumph won 10:1! Also agree it doesn't really match up against the J series bikes very well at all, perhaps more against the likes of the Fantic caberello 500 and other premium scramblers... I have to admit as RE fan a bike for the channel I'm tempted...

US price for me was $5595 introductory price. ​​⁠​⁠As Far as reliability of Triumphs, I own a 05 Bonnie America and it’s been dead reliable! Still on same clutch, the worst thing I had to do was have a pickup coil changed. An that was after 16 years. I have a 2012 Storm. NO ISSUES. I have money down on the 400 Scrambler. You have 3 Bonnie’s. Something don’t add up

Thanks Stuart many interesting points, i was exited after watching the video from Triumph you bought me back to earth with a bump! always value your comments!!

Am an owner of Triumph T100 and I love the bike and it's engineering which is indeed premium and impeccable. But it's just ends there. Subject of warranty claim and dealing with distributor is will give you nightmares and Triumph just don't bother at all. Warranty claim takes months and the spare part section seems to be at lost all the time. Bike sitting in your garage for months and imagine paying your monthly installment but you can't use the bike!!! Dealership looking at their sales numbers but not after their customers. Some companies just don't learn from their past mistakes. But I still love my bonneville and will do for many many more years. It's just a beautiful and the perfect bike for me.

Thank you for the video and news information on motorcycles !

Appreciate your candidness . I own a RE Classic 350 ❤

You have nailed it again stuart i totally concur with your comments regarding these bikes.

An interesting video. Honda have the GB350 for the Indian and also the Japanese home market, retailing at a price much lower than the anticipated cost of this new Triumph. For some reason beyond my comprehension, Honda haven't thought it worth bringing the GB350 to the UK or European markets but if that changes, I fear that this new Triumph would struggle to achieve a meaningful level of sales.

Wiring at the headstock looks a mess uncle Stu!!

I've had a chat with the regional manager of my local Triumph dealer and what he told me it would cost is extremely competitive in the space. It's going to sell really well.

Nice video! This is only speculation (with a mite of common sense), but as soon as I heard the news, I thought, "Oh, Triumph did take note of Royal Enfield (several years before now)." I hope this move doesn't negatively impact Enfield. As of today, while I've always liked Enfield, over close to a decade I've come to prefer them over Triumph on all fronts. This isn't so much a response to Enfield's consistent rise, but primarily to Triumph's decisions and behavior over this time - what I view as a decline (or reveal/my awareness of what was already there) (which I wish wasn't so).

My first bike was a Triumph Trailblazer (T25) a 250cc "trail" styled single. I went everywhere on it and rebuilt it many times, sometimes at the side of the road. The scrambler version of this new Triumph 400 is therefore always going to pique my interest. I had a few of the Hinkley Triumphs when they first came out and they were good bikes and I struggle a bit with the "badge engineering" thing but that's really all in my head - if a bike is good and you like riding it so what? I've currently got a Classic 350 which I'm loving but you know I'm just going to find myself in a Triumph showroom some time when these come out - and taking a test ride. Interesting times.

Always with the most pertinent questions! Bravo Stuart!

Hello Sir, thank you for your candid review. I live in Bangalore , India. I have commented before. To give you a history of my bike ownership. I have owned 4 bikes. 1. Royal Enfield 350 STD, the old cast iron engine, with the gear and back break on the other side. 2. Benelli tnt250 3. Suzuki gs150r 4. Suzuki Gixxer 250 . The first 2 were massive failures, due too many reasons, which I do not want to go into. I continue to own the other 2 and both are great in my honest opinion. As far as my analysis goes, the manufacturing quality of Bajaj may be better than Royal Enfield , but they are no Suzuki or even India's TVS. Also the design of the Triumph 400 bikes is not up to the mark imho. You rightly said , the Indian bike customer is a picky one. I probably am very much picky too. You have mentioned in one of your previous videos Suzuki has the best gear boxes, followed by that of RE. I love Suzuki gear boxes, I haven't owned the new RE bikes, so I cannot comment. I honestly feel the upcoming Himalayan 450 will be a good one, going by how the bike looks in spy shots and by the specs of the bike. Thank you again for your candid analysis and reviews. It really helps.

i'm really in love with the scrambler with higher front mud guard , its perfect for me. It have performance while not being too lower in ground clearance with some off road capability while not looking like an adventure bike. Its best of all worlds

as a new rider, these two bikes look amazing!

I must admit I was really taken with these bikes when I saw the release earlier in the week, especially the green scrambler. However, technically advanced, high revving short stroke singles miss the point entirely, at least for me. I love the hunter for many reasons but it's the long stroke motor that won me over when I test rode it. The HP numbers are irrelevant with this motor it just feels, and sounds, so good.

Deposit in for a Scram. I have a few fast bikes in the garage, but this should be fun as a back lane burner.

Excellent insight, thanks for sharing.

Good to have more choices in this segment. Pricing will be the key to its success in India. Hope it's price and service costs are competitive unlike BMW 310 cc bikes manufacturered in collaboration with TVS ,in India.

Thanks Stuart for your analysis, but we look forward to the test drives and to know the sale in Europe. These two bikes are very beautiful and interesting and technically more complete than theRoyal Enfields, which I still love and own. We will see in the next year. Regards from Italy 👋✌

Great review the best one so far 👍

Excellent video Stuart, thank you it is good to hear some honesty. I would not be interested in a high revving 400 single. Would much prefer a Royal Enfield Hunter to be honest.

A very interesting vlog Stuart ...well observed and thoughtfully put together. I am heartened by the trend to longer stroke motors ...my favourites as well ...i believe the Benelli Imperial 400 cc has the longest stroke of any modern bike ...so i need to try one ....as for the new Bajaj400 or Triumphs not for me too many revs .

I always thought a traditional or retro looking KTM 390 would be a fine thing and this is just that (I believe Bajaj also build the 390 motor for KTM). However, times have moved on for me and I fell in love with the looks and allure of the Hunter 350 and took the plunge (And I still prefer its looks over the new Triumph). What I didn't realise until I owned it, is that the Hunter is a long stroke engine and - a blast from the past - I am now hooked on it's old school torque characteristics. In this, the new Triumph simply wouldn't satisfy and I gladly accept RE's compromise of lower HP for their 350s (I did take the time to consider a hot cam for the Hunter for an extra 5 horse, but going forward I don't think I really feel the need).

Another great video with pearls of expected wisdom from Stu!

I would have to put in serious seat time to assess its comfort and ride ability. Is it going to be all day comfortable or mostly just suited to running to the local cafe? I am mostly interested in the more off road scrambler x version as the larger front wheel would be more comfortable rolling over the rough roads where I live but, is the suspension able to handle it well enough without the need to invest in upgrades right away? For now, I’m left with more questions than answers but it’s nice to see more small displacement options hitting the market that aren’t outright dual sport bikes or sport/sport naked bikes.

Morning Stuart 😊 like the look of these models especially the scrambler 👍only time will tell after a good British winter 🤔 it will be interesting to see early owners reviews 😊 safe riding 🏍🏁🇬🇧

Thanks Stu, in my opinion this very nice looking bike is three years too late. For those with 5k plus that are looking for a relaxed ride have too much choice already, particularly from Honda with their 300 and 500 ranges. If like me, with very limited funds and rarely if ever wanting to exceed 60mph, then it’s the Royal Enfield range every, (and I mean every) time.. Thanks for your totally pragmatic review.

Waiting to see your take on this launch, nice work mr F

A very interesting review, well done Stuart!

A good insight Stu. Thank you. I think Triumph will have a winner here though it won't tempt me to change my RE 350 Classic Reborn. Power isn't everything and when tge power is developed so high up the rev range it doesn't suggest a relaxing ride. Buzzy singles are horrible. Give me a thumping torquey low revver any day.

I think the only slight low point of the Hunter is it’s low power and I believe that Triumph has simply bought out a similar bike with more power to rectify that. I honestly think it’s as simple as that.

At those rumoured prices. These better grow another cylinder 😂

Hearing your thoughts, I feel like you are spot on. Price will single handedly be the biggest make or break factor. Let's see.

Always a great pleasure listening to you.

I don't have any direct experiences with Triumph and at looking from this footage, these are not bad looking bikes. As a competitor towards the RE Hunter as a small capacity bike in the Asian market, it makes sense that they collaborated with Bajaj. I do doubt that they would have the traction in the "classic" market. I did manage to find some sorts of "review" of this bike on RU-vid, but I found it rather strange that they didn't start up the bikes (due to not having the keys???) . If it is a high revving bike, it would have already lost the battle for those looking for a classic experience of having torque at low rpm. Combined with the monoshock, upside down fork and the exhaust it would be hard to fit this into a "classic" category. Maintenance intervals do look good on paper, but how do they look for the wallet? Both my Interceptor 650 and Classic 500 I can easily provide service intervals myself at minimum cost - how does that work with these Triumphs? (thinking of setting valve clearance - do I need a collection of shims, cups an specialised tools?) I know that here in the west, the "classic motorcyclist" that sleeps with a workshop manual under their pillow and insists on doing all the maintenance themselves (experiences have led me to trust issues 😉) is becoming rare - but in the likes of India it is far more common and expected to be able to deal with maintenance and fixing issues with only looking at third parties to assist when all the tools/knowledge has been exhausted. All in all, the price of these bikes - even if they are "premium build" - could potential pit them in the price range of the Interceptor 650 - Which in looks and performance would be much more reminiscent of a classic Bonnie. So which ever demographic these new Triumphs would appeal to - I would doubt it would eat a big chunk out of RE's market. But with the popularity increasing in the West for smaller displacement engines - there might be a market for these bikes - but the judges are, as you said it Stu, still out on this. Nevertheless some competition would be good to keep everyone (including RE) on their toes.

Thanks for the info. 😊😊😊😊👍🏻

Hi Stuart, maybe this bike's competition fits where the husqvarna svartpilen is (and the ktm 390 duke.....just guessing)

More competition ❤ . Lighter, more power and priced half way between Enfield and BMW/KTM👍. Also could well eat into the lot more expensive and heavier BSA 650 sales ? Always good to hear your real life straight talking views.👍

Great analysis!

A very good video Stuart, thank you as always for sharing 😊

For this bike to be competitive, I think it has to be priced at £4,500/£4,750, however, I have heard prices muted of £5,500/£6,000 😳😬 In which case, forget it! That’s ridiculous money for a small bike. The RE HNTR 350 has hit the nail on the head in this class for me. The BMW 310 variants and the KTM 390 models are in the same segment as the new Triumph’s but they are ultra-modern looking bikes, whereas these are retro-styled. Triumph will sell boat loads of these bikes, if they’re priced right. If not, they’ll disappear without a trace.

Great review Stuart always, thank your Sir

Nice and insightful. If the peak power comes at 8k rpm, it falls between the high compression ratio bikes like KTM and Royal Enfield. Whether liquid cooling will compensate for fuel efficiency compared to the low revving air cooled ones? Your views please.

They do look pretty and would make a nice machine for the new rider on an A2 licence. Tiger Cub would have been a good moniker for this one, but I note your reservations about the brand. Not one I've had any direct dealings with so can't really comment.

Thanks for another informative video, Stuart. The small Triumphs sure are pretty and I may have bought one when I was a teenager, based on power output. Spin on 40+ years and today I'd buy the Hunter. If I want more power (or torque) then I'd just get a bigger engine. Example: I just replaced my car. The two engine options on my short list were the same power output, the same fuel consumption, (both TFL ULEZ compliant but not a consideration), the same road tax, both turbocharged four cylinder four strokes. I chose the 2 litre diesel over the 1.2 petrol. Forty percent more torque: enough said. (And before anyone says "but adblue" I have lived with two stroke bikes for decades, so I don't care.)

I personally like the look of the machine and the lower MPG wouldn't worry me TBH, But Triumph would need to have it very competitively priced here in the UK to get me interested,. I doubt Royal Enfield have anything to worry about here, which is a shame for Triumph, nut i don't think they can compete, RE have a great range of bike's for all pockets. Cheers Stu 😊

5k I think would be a reasonable price point, but I'm thinking Triumph is going to hit us with a price closer to 6k. Hope I'm wrong, because if these are reasonably priced I'd love to pick myself up one of the Scrambler 400s as the second bike in my stable. Edit: just heard your point about the rumors being at 6.5 k or so for us westerners. That's a little steep for what it is if you ask me. I'd rather buy a Royal Enfield Interceptor for damn near the same price and customize that into a scrambler

Hi Stu, you did not disappoint. 👍

Triumph milked the wealthy senior rider market by raising their prices higher and higher, until RE came along and offered a cheaper alternative.

As I get older, I am really looking for a lightweight, simple, good looking motorcycle letting me getting back to my early motorcycle experience with DTs, XTs etc. However, since Iam much bulkier by now, I do need some more HP😢. The 1200 Scrambler would be a good choice, but she is heavy and since I already own a Tiger 955 which I still love to ride, I am provided for on the heavy side… so yes, there is probably a target group in Western Europe: nostalgic people wanting to stylishly downsize from the ever bigger motorcycles…

Good Yorkshire approach to a new yet to be reviewed machine!!

I feel I've learned a load. I'm not particularly savvy on motorbike makes, so thank you 😊.

Looking at the Triumph published power and torque curves, the Triumph is approximately 50% higher than the the Royal Enfield Scram 411 throughout the rev range! Can't wait for you to get your hands on one for an honest review. On one of your trips out, could you go to Flamborough Head or Spurn or Spurn Head, both a place to visit in area where you live...

Nice one Stu ride safe

Really useful video mate 👍🏻

2019 I had an “off” on my 865 t100 decided to keep riding as the injuries were minor and brought a 1987 Honda gb400 for $3200 nzd, since then it seems I was ahead of current trend. The gb is light quick around town is still on the same chain and tyres and very economical, I think about another triumph from time to time the only reason being the draw of the badge and some thoughts that I might use it more. For now though I will keep my cheap genuine “classic” bike and languish in a feeling of superiority in having beaten the trend for the first time in my life!

I agree with your take on triumph (I own one) I just hope they see sense and price the new 400s sensibility eg 4.5 K.

I like the look of these 400's taking styling elements from the current Bonneville and Scrambler "bigger brothers". Agree with you that the engines would have been preferable with torque much lower down the rev range, and worry that the prices in the UK will be high, reflecting Triumph's "premium brand" appeal instead of competitive value pricing. p.s. Nice to see you out on your Bobber.

It is a lovely bike. I was on the fence for a RE Interceptor for a year, test drove it 2 times. This one just needed one testdrive to convince me, also the lower price made my decision easier as a second bike. I really like it, great looks and it feels as a big bike.

I would NOT want to be a cyclist if that car in front of you (after your overtake at 2.30,) with the bits sticking out of the passenger window, went past me! Anyway, thanks for your interesting opinions on those new Triumphs. Here's mine FWIW - Those bikes would only interest me if their selling price was the same, or less then, the price of the RE Hunter. I don't think that's going to happen. Also, I would have to have confidence that I wouldn't have to endure the supercilious 'car showroom' attitude of the Triumph dealership sales staff that I have had too much experience of already. Triumph seem to have fallen into the trap of believing its own publicity, which may not end well.

The price got announced in India and it's unbelievable. It's around 223,000 INR which is about 2,100 pounds. I would be surprised if they dnt sell a million of these within a year. Bajaj has the capacity to produce that many vehicles and meet the demands.

Thank you for these very relevant and informative comments. Who better than an Englishman can understand Triumph's intentions! Wait and see. Thank you for the quality of your video, Philip from Caribbean French West Indies

I loved these an if priced correctly I will go for one of these else RE is always available

Honest review liked it.

Interesting bikes with great looks and reasonable engine. However, the scrambler would be more attractive with high exhaust and spoked wheels. I bet they are going to price them from 6000 to 7000 euros.

Congrats good sir 102.000 subs :). In Denmark this bike could also be a big seller do to our insane tax on motorcycles above 600 cc.

Love the lucks. Strongly considering a purchase, it needs an analog tach. But royal Enfield 650 is the other choice

Good luck to Triumph with these two.

I totally agree with you about Triumph. Never mind 'beginner bikes; like this pair, even their more swish and desirable Speed Triples have an issue where finding neutral when at a standstill is almost as difficult as winning the lottery. Oversights in failing to attend to that kind of thing, as well as the twins' gearbox flaw that you previously experienced, and more importantly Triumph's attitude towards same are indicative of innate Mickey Mousery.

a pretty insightful opinion Stu

Thanks for all the vids. A lot of folks moaning about the short stroke engine and peak power/toque at higher revs. I agree that the low down torque is the important thing. However, for me, my next bike will either be a speed 400 or a Hunter. The 400 has a pretty flat torque curve, and it's minimum torque is higher than the Hunters maximum. To say nothing of the 40Ilb weight advantage. I have put a deposit on a 400. However I loved the Hunter test ride and will switch to that if the 400 demo ride or price is poor.

Personally I'm disappointed that it's not as first reported a 250 and possibly called a T20 Tiger Cub ☹