An old quote from Yahtzee Croshaw that always stuck with me is, "Fans are clingy, complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it."
It's less that fandoms are inherently unpleasable, but rather more so just that the larger any group gets the more diverse it also becomes, and as a natural consequence it becomes increasing difficult to appeal to entire spectrum of what all those different kinds of fans want, especially the fans at the fringes who unfortunately also tend to have voices far louder than their actual numbers. It's more so the adage that while you can please SOME of the people all the time, and all of the people SOME of the time, you can't please ALL of the people ALL of the time.
I work for a convention company and we booked the girl who plays Madisynn in She-Hulk a few days after her episode aired. She made a killing in autographs. You’d never expect it based on how the internet talks about the show
Yep. As someone who has been way too online for 20 years now, it took me a while to realise that internet fandom doesn't come close to reflecting RL for the most part. Just look at Love and Thunder, there was a huge backlash against it and Taika but domestically it's outgrossed the much more beloved Ragnarok by $340M to $315M and has also outgrossed it internationally when accounting for China and Russia being missing. Yet you'd think it was a huge bomb the way The Internet has been shitting their pants over it. Same with DSMoM, it doubled the box office for DS (minus China and Russia) yet there was also a lot of hate for it. General audiences are fine with Phase 4 but you would think the whole thing is collapsing if you only looked at online fandom for the MCU.
Alternate theory; the majority of the people who got her autograph *still* talked shit about the show online. Were you expecting anybody to confront or chastise her in person? That's not generally how people work. They're angry fanboys, not Mark David Chapman.
You know what I love about most of bob's content? Almost everything he's talked about on the big picture, he always manages to find the perfect Simpsons clip.
@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 I had a media studies tutor who managed to find a relevant Simpsons clip for every tutorial. This was 20+ years ago. But even then the show had a shit tonne of episodes.
@@AndrewMcColl I mean, MY favorite clip came out in 1995, but remains evergreen. "I used to be With It... but then they changed what It was! Now what I'm With isn't It, and what's It seems weird and scary to me! IT'LL HAPPEN TO YOU..."
@@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247 I think that's why it's impressive. If it had only lasted as long as the Confederacy, or the recording career of the Wu Tang Clan, then an apposite clip would be a lot harder find, due to lack of material, it would also be easier to find an apposite clip due to that lack of material. As it is, the problem is less that it doesn't exist, and more 'how the hell do you find the thing in the great unindexed pile that is the IP?'
Agreed. I only wish he would either inject his own one-sided view of political talking points less frequently or perhaps address the underlying debate more from both sides. For instance, currently if I were to ask my parents what they thought of the newest batch of Marvel movies, they would tell me that they were “…disappointing because of the politically forced, ‘woke’ BS, that each new entry keeps trying to ram down their throat”. To clarify, I’m not saying I even remotely agree with that viewpoint, but to outright discount it as invalid, because it’s not PC, in and of itself, is also its own disingenuous form media favoritism, that ought to at least be addressed somewhat in passing.
I work for a cable company and Bob is NOT overselling how much people love Yellowstone. Like every fourth call is someone asking for help to watch it on demand or how to record it etc etc. It's just Yellowstone and Days of Our Lives.
Before seeing this, it honestly hadn't sunk in that many, if not most, of the requests for dvd boxsets at my store are for Yellowstone, including the day before this vid! I'm sure I'm gonna be noticing that much more now...
I can believe it. I cut my cord a year or 2 ag9, and didn't have Paramount before that, so I missed when it came out, but I've gotten into it belatedly. But yeah, the people I know who watch it (which are numerous) aren't the kind who post about it on social network platforms like this.
Me after watching Bob’s Yellowstone montage: “What kind of Dallas is that??? Everyone shot JR!!” Jokes aside, I used to work on a comic book store/toy shop and one of the employees was a fan of Sons of Anarchy, when I asked him why he said “it’s just good, y’know, even me who works on comics needs to watch something else, or you just end up hating this” He was miles ahead from me
True wisdom, that...it's why I started poking around old movies during the VHS era. And trust me, that was a chore for the more obscure ones, having to pay $30 or better for, say, Kurosawa's Rashomon when the average price of mainstream film on VHS was $15. But it was worth it.
All anyone really needs to do is look at Sony thinking it was a good idea to re-release Morbius based on its social media presence to know that no one should ever take anything that is said on the internet seriously, ever.
I do need to head over to Netflix to finally get some Morbin' Time though and finally sate my curiosity. In comparison to all of Netflix's recent vampire adjacent content it probably comes out looking much better.
@@adanrios7951 As a practitioner of the ancient art of 'fan fiction' lemme tell you something . . . NEVER listen to your reviewers XD To elaborate, obviously you need to listen to criticism in order to improve as a creative person, but not every voice is offering useful criticism. The first challenge is learning to listen to critique, the second, BIGGER, challenge is figure out which criticisms to listen to.
As someone who got interested in "Yellowstone" through viewing it a few times with my parents, the lines "if 'Heartland' was directed by Michael Bay" and "if Zach Synder directed 'Oregon Trail'" are hysterical.
As a Canadian I had no idea that Americans know what heartland is. It blows my mind that Schitt's Creek is a thing. Next thing I know Bob or someone like him will be referencing the fucking beachcombers. And yes, I laughed out loud on those lines too.
@@claytonberg721 to be fair, a LOT of us know about Schitt's Creek because of Eugene and Catherine. They got us in the door, but the rest of the cast (and show in general) kept us there.
@@Gyrono Kim's Convenience is both star wars and marvel canon. And I heart Corner Gas. FYI I saw the original Kim's Convenience play when it ran in calgary for a few months. Way more edgy than the show.
@@Gyrono Sorry for the double post but I got to meet Paul Sun-Hyung Lee and Andrew Phung at Calgary expo probably 4 years ago. They weren't there in an official capacity but were there with the Alberta GhostBusters (who are just a bunch of Cats who cos-play as ghost busters and raise money for charity and do community work). Paul is just the kindest man. Hopefully he becomes a regular on Mando, he deserves good things.
As a geek currently detoxing from getting trapped in the geekosphere bubble for awhile, it really is amazing how it feels like when you go to see an action movie in the theater. Inside it's loud and explosions everywhere and then you step out to use the restroom and the lobby is dead silent. This isn't even unique to geekdom, I've seen similar effects with folks who are super into sports, or other things. I think there is just too much information and "stuff" out there for human brains to hold onto so retreating into our spheres of interest started as a coping mechanism and then people figured out how to monetize that captive audience and here we are. Really enjoyed the take in these two videos, Bob dropped some really interesting tidbits that I never thought to even look up. Well done sir.
I don't blame him, the poor fellow. I'm getting a little sick to the teeth of everyone on my Facebook feed preparing to dive into a bunker... because a few saddos are mad that "The Little Mermaid" is a black chick now. Also, Matt Walsh is a TERRIBLE human being... but you probably already know that.
"Look, [Repuli... Conserva... MAGA... ???... Phile... whatever you're calling yourselves this cycle-- we've been over this] --The world LOVES America; it just doesn't like YOU. NOBODY likes you." 👏👏👏 Couldn't have put it better myself.
Bob always feels like the anti version of gen X culture commenters. He still loves his old childhood and adolescent media while also being able to take a step back understand these properties are silly and shouldn't be taken super seriously. He actually grows and matures instead of regressing and isn't afraid to call out shitty fanboy behavior when he sees it. Glad I've grown up watching you Bob, your like the world weary, nerdy uncle I never knew i wanted/ needed
See, that’s a terrible way to put that, because it makes it vaguely implies you either still do rely on it or did at one point (which couldn’t possibly be the case, because this was rather quite smart). Just saying bro, don’t shoot the messenger! 😆😉
For real! When the trailers for the series first dropped it looked like just another "serious" primetime drama, this time with ranchers. Good to know that perception has been blown out of the water!
Yeah same, I've been thinking more and more lately, "remember when a COMICS ARE WEIRD episode could just be Because Bob Thought It Would Be Fun instead of because it ties into the Ongoing Marvel Fuckery?" I hope he gets back to that some time. Sustainably and without losing income, of course.
Comic Book Twitter is straight up like Bizarro World where you'd think the MCU is the worst thing ever and that the DCEU especially anything connected to Zack Snyder is like God's gift to mankind.
I'm still so amazed that the DCEU has fans. They're so consistently terrible. I have terrible taste in media, and will enjoy almost anything even if its garbage, and even I'm not fond of DCEU. Every shot looks like a tragic family housefire is happening just off screen. Marvel is a generally more grounded universe and could have probably gotten away with the gritty aesthetic that DC tried, but Marvel embraced the camp. The most grounded thing in DC is Batman, and its very telling that the only DC movies that aren't garbage fires are batman, and even Batman is much better when its dark camp rather than gritty.
@@ASpaceOstrich And like I do like some of what the DCEU has done (Aquaman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad) but I seriously hope they do better, because I want to see them actually be good.
Zack Snyder...our Mr. Chipman's one enduring blindspot. I am awaiting the day he actually realizes that Snyder was Really That Bad, equal to the movie that destroyed his career.
I think it’s because it’s young people (young at the time) realised that creators they like can be cancelled by a studio and that the explanations afterwards were consistent. I’m already familiar with this as I’ve been into tv shows and studied the subject properly. “Tv shows inspired the contemporary film universe” makes more sense than thanking Universal execs from the 30s and TV shows have certain end-points, be they justified or otherwise. It is funny how the internet also judges the Snydercut cult of nerds as a hegemonic group that’s really well connected and planning rightwing terrorist attacks and shit. They were just nerds who are shocked in different ways at their first high profile tv show cancellation.
And dear gods does the Internet prove that thesis daily. All my love and respect to the speaker of that quote, Tommy Lee Jones, the Harvard grad who got in films at age 30, was in the pilot of the original Charlie's Angels and had a hell of a late career starting with The Fugitive.
That saying shaped most of my worldview when I first heard it, when I was 12. Also, when I was 9, Disney's Aladdin told me the "real" Golden Rule: whoever has the gold makes the rules.
Bob, thank you for making that point about the overhyped Death of the Comic Book Movie in 1997. Oddly enough, the same thing happened in 1987 with the twin Cannon disasters of Superman IV and Masters of the Universe (and barely a year after Howard the Duck). Guess what? People were going crazy over the teaser trailer for Batman in late 1988.
If the internet is repeating it, it’s 100% not true. In fact thats why they repeat it, hoping to make it true. Every hated the last jedi. But rise of skywalker made a billion dollars. Nobody cares about avatar. But my 3D Imax showing next week is almost sold out. Nobody likes female super heroes…. So on, etc.
@@breadordecide Last Jedi was.. not good. But did I pony up for the Rise of Skywalker? You bet! Avatar? Loved it!! Have I gotten my tickets for the sequel yet? ..Nah, but I’m sure I’ll still be sitting in the theatre watching blue people in 3D with the biggest box of popcorn I can buy. (And for the record I likes females - period. They’re soft, they stink pretty; I’m just *HUGE* fan in general! Lol) Why, you may ask? Because a fool & his money are typically soon parted, and obviously I got more disposable income than sense! 😅🤦🏽♂️
This video feels like a companion piece to Bob’s “Solo A Box Office Story” video, where the moral is that internet life is not real life, and as such net-nerdlingers need to get over themselves. A message I can absolutely get behind.
I go back to that Solo: a Box Office Story video a ton. The Solo box office drama really is a similar situation to the discussions involving Marvel Fatigue, and it even reminds me of some stuff in Video Games.
A common point I see is how some people make hay about the box office turnout of various movies. The actual specifics of it are honestly unimportant, because these fools will just twist whatever info they find to better fit their worldview. Solo “underperforming” wasn’t the result of just one factor. A great many things likely aided in it’s box office performance. The Last Jedi had been released only 6 months prior, and Solo’s version of Han Solo was not played by Harrison Ford, who might as well own that character. Solo’s focus was on small, minute details relating to the title character that most people don’t concern themselves with when they watch Star Wars. Unless you’re having a conversation at dinner, talking with fellow nerds, or hanging out at your local convenience store waxing on about the logistics of destroying the Death Star, the vast amount of people enjoy Han Solo’s character on the more basic level of “that character is awesome! He does cool stuff, has some of the best catchphrases, and I wish I could hang out with him.” I know a friend who’s relationship to Star Wars basically ends after the first movie. All because he really liked Han Solo in that first movie.
Conclusion? Dont let movies dictate how you view entertainment and dont let social structures askew your liking to that entertainment. Like what you want cause no matter what, it aint going anywhere. Its just on hiatus.
People generally don't know what they want until they get it. No one can predict the next big-thing, even something of extremely high-quality can falter from lack-of-interest
Great points made here. My main gripe with everything on the internet is that it’s impossible to find a decent, non-toxic discussion about any sort of media I enjoy. Sometimes I go to the internet after watching a movie because I want to see what other people liked about the movie that I also liked! But most people who enjoy something don’t go on to post about it, and instead the discussion is overtaken by complete negativity. After watching Thor: Love and Thunder, I was extremely disappointed to see the toxic echo chamber discussions happening about a movie I thought had a lot of merit. Suddenly the hive-mind of collective opinion on the internet decides that Taika is a bad director and start making up some sort of mythos about how Thor was way better when he was taken seriously and all that other junk. It’s like people don’t want to think for themselves, they just want to pile on and adopt whatever opinion is popular on social media.
It's the way there's zero nuance that's also annoying, you either love something or you hate it and need to spend your time destroying it; heaven forbid you enjoy something while having some issues with it (which is the most common way to react). The negativity is definitely getting more overwhelming for everything as well, like with WW84. It definitely had its issues but I enjoyed it for the most part, meanwhile you have people shitting on it non-stop and people making endless videos about how it's the worst comic book movie ever, to which I say lol, you must be young. And even if you do hate it that's fine, you just don't need to go on about it forever. Similar thing happened with Jenkins as well, she got lauded for WW and after WW84 people act like the WW character was destroyed and why even make a third. Like what kind of ridiculous reaction. I avoided L&T discourse after I saw the shitstorm but lol at people pretending like Thor was more popular before Ragnarok. Personally I didn't have a problem with him but after TDW it was rough for him which is why they did the reinvention in the first place. But hey, the only thing the mob love more than heralding someone as the next big thing is tearing them down for their own pleasure. “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain” is true for so much, including things like this.
I watched both Eternals and Thor 4 expecting the worst. I enjoyed both. Doctor strange is my favorite MCU character. Sam Raimi is the reason i'm a film buff. I watched the coverage of that, oh this person is going to cameo, that person yadda yadda, they do and God bless Sam Raimi he tore them in half. MOM is my favorite MCU movie. Its my kind of film. I saw that rob guy from John Campia say, well it was fun, but he was disapoinnted becuase it didn't tell him the direction of the MCU for the next 50 years or whatever. Umm if the movie itself isn't well made then no one is going to care. Instead we get stupid criticsm like that. I like John Campea and those guys, but to me that was endemic of the whole issues with film critism these days. That and the fanbro culture who have no real problems in there lives other then the little mermaid isn't white.
@@Deadite1982 I went pretty spoiler free for MoM, only thing I really knew was Wanda was going to be the villain. Of course I heard about cameos but I didn't take much notice since that film seemed ripe to have a bunch of people speculate and make things up and have fandom take it as gospel. I think it also didn't help that the three Spider-men spoilers came out more than a year before the movie's release so people may have figured that all the "info" coming out about MoM would be accurate. Tbh, I'm relieved it wasn't, I was dreading if that stupid Tom Cruise as Superior Iron Man rumour actually happened. I love Strange as well and I wanted a story focused on him, not a bunch of cameos. Luckily that's what we got and I shall point and laugh at people who expected a cameo extravaganza to give them a sugar rush with little substance and who then shit themselves when it didn't happen. Don't even get me started on this whole "Phase 4 is about nothing and it has no direction since we don't know where it's going" fiasco, it's truly obnoxious and bizarre. First the MCU got pinged for announcing too many movies back in 2014 when they outlined the rest of Phase 2 and Phase 3 and it took the mystery and surprise out of things, and now people are mad they're not telling us everything straight away. I always knew this was true but it really goes to show you can't please people, ffs. Fandom idiocy is truly at its peak and most ridiculous at the moment which is why I've peaced out of it for the most part. So many idiots whining about things they heard other people complain about and they want to join in. Does my damn head in.
@@jimballard1186 you think that’s something you should read his book. And by read his book I mean listen to a comedy podcast that reads his book because holy shit is his psyche deranged “take a bullet for you” he finds as a cute way to say good bye over the phone
I think what this boils down to is this conflation of AUDIENCE and FANS. Because they're not wholly the same thing, and knowing the difference between the two can be vital to your success, if you're an entertainer, or making an entertainment product, because the audience ultimately decides your fate. So it's wise to consider your audience. But it's not always wise to listen to fans. The audience can be fickle, sure. But as we're seeing more and more, fans are becoming unbearably toxic. Also, I love how if you just listen to Ben Shapiro without watching him, and don't know it's actually him at first, it sounds like someone doing a parody impression of him.
Huge props for giving the actual context of the Kael quote- WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT of quoting it in the first place. There are people out there not thinking like you and they aren't just dumb or mislead or angry- they might have a point, or at least a reason for feeling that way. Anyway- hyped for Schlockober- a little joy on the internet as the year grows colder.
I'm reminded of your videos about how Freakazoid predicted the true use of the internet, because I love the show but an easy way to describe why I loved Freakazoid is that he was an idiot. Much like the internet. But glad to see life is settling down for you to make content & I'm glad you're taking a break from important stuff to talk about cheesy halloween/monster films soon. Love your work, keep it up.
I knew that Ms Marvel is widespread considered a failure by the Internet, so it surprised me when Bob said it pulled the same numbers as Succession, which is considered a massive success by the internet. Really that blew my mind and exemplifies 100% Bob's point about the internet being not a good representative of reality.
Besides, it reached the audience it needed to, customers who outlive the Neckbeards of my generation by 20 years minimum. I always suspect that's what the latter is really pissy about: they got older, less valuable to pander to and the world moved on without them.
@@johnathonhaney8291 These are the same Folks asking black people to hate that they’re being pandered to with the little mermaid. So now pandering is bad when its not aimed at them?
@@breadordecide Of course...for all the reasons I've outlined. And the guys saying they're NOT racist? Yeeeeah...they're fine with other races as long as they get to stay in charge and/or more important.
Well, and the other thing is that no reasonable person would expect every one of these projects to hit Avengers level numbers. That's literally impossible. It seems to me like Marvel's starting to do these spin-offs in much the same way as their comics, with a range of titles that all have different sales targets, aimed at different demos. And yeah, absolutely, a huge part of the angry Internet outrage is that not every title is being produced with 20-40yo white guys as the main target.
@@jasonblalock4429 But it's not driven by anger. It's driven by *fear.* After all, if "not every title is being produced with 20-40yo white guys as the main target," then... who *are* the main target? Who gets to decide what the industry does next? Their opinions might be... irrelevant someday. And that's what they're afraid of. They're afraid that if something is being made for someone else, then they might not get something. That's money that could have been spent on *them.* And that means someone else has a seat at the table. And the more seats at the table... the less *their* voice matters. They feel entitled to having priority in nerd culture. They feel entitled for every speculative fiction property to serve them, because other voices ignored those things for decades before now [citation needed]. Etc. It's all about the fear of losing power. That's it.
I said it once, and I’ll say it again; In Bob we Trust. Just lead the charge against those toxic 5-hour zoom calls & I’ll follow you anywhere Homeslice. 👍🏽✌🏽
Someone in my discord posted one of those as rebuttal for why x-movie was bad and you're wrong and... It's a 9-hour video of four friends in voice chat picking apart someone else's well structured argument where half the time their peanut gallery comment isn't even relevant to what is on screen that they're supposed to be addressing. Those videos can be entertaining, but not taken as gospel. Same goes for Bob's videos, not taken as gospel. I can be reasonably sure though that Bob researches and could provide citation for any argument he makes regarding the business side of things.
@@rawksolid5029 well, as I’ve also said on another occasion; who knew knew my cinematic spirit animal was a large, balding caucasian named Bob?? Consistently, without fail, have yet to not enjoy a flick that’s gotten his seal of approval. Everyone else? Not so much. But I do try to take in a balance of perspectives, but there’s only so long you can watch someone beat a dead horse before you start to feel sorry for said horse. 🤷🏽♂️ “M-She-U” Phase Bore is just punching down low hanging fruit, and I don’t care enough about Lord of the Rings to be outraged that they bastardizing the intellectual property, for instance. ..Will give Gary credit for his begrudging 180 on House of the Dragon though; he can be tough, but fair occasionally.
I love when my own ignorance is exposed, just like when I first came to understand not only does this "yellowstone" show exist, but that it pulls these silly numbers. Wow.
I never even heard about Yellowstone until I saw the season 3 or 4 biker fight clip on RU-vid and said, "that show looks dope as hell." And it is, it's dope as hell
What I find hilarious now that you mention all this is that people declared Star Wars dead and gone after Episode IX... for like A WEEK. The next week there was a new episode of The Mandalorian and people liked that one.
And in 5 or so years you're gonna see people talk about IX in a VERY different light the same way people have started reappraising the prequels. Twitter is not a real place. It is a land of miserable, introverted, socially dead scolds who should in no way be heeded on anything
@@johndavidtibbetts7320 "Twitter is not a real place. It is a land of miserable, introverted, socially dead scolds who should in no way be heeded on anything." I need a tattoo of this.
The Neckbeards that declare “Disney killed Star Wars” are either being disingenuous or are too young to remember “George Lucas Raped My Childhood! Waaaaaa!” 20+ years ago.
Because tumblr shot itself in the foot and the toxic centralization of the internet has kinda forcibly corralled most of us into one or two of like three or four huge websites
@@fuckin49 been following him for years. Think I would've noticed that shit by now. Then again you strike me as the kinda weirdo who builds his whole life around specifically coming after moviebob XD
got an ad in the middle for rings of power I can only imagine the people who would be mad at this video watching this and getting that ad and my joy grows exponentially
One great point that Bob makes here is that The Internet will often look at things in the confine of a tiny bubble, forgetting that there's a world out there for comparisons to be made, and the examples he used are pretty great.
It's interesting how Japan treats its media the exact opposite of America (anime are manga commercials, whereas comic books are print ads and surveys for cartoons and movies).
Would love to see Bob talk more about the "founding myth" of American society and how it is expressed in our pop culture: Star Wars, for ex, runs on the concept of the "heroic rebel" insurrecting against an Evil Govt...and the newest show, Andor, is all about that. Given where this notion has recently taken us IRL, should we be reexamining these stories implicit assumptions and their possible impact on the "easily influenced"? Do creators and rights holders have any responsibility for the stories they tell and how that might affect the real world?
Yeah but Star Wars’ biggest trick was getting US audiences to root for the galactic equivalent of the Viet Cong. So there’s a desire to jump away from historical context and focus on the cool flashy themes (i.e. group of young people form armed, alien-diverse movement to restore goodness to the world via conflict). We clearly saw the same thing in Tolkien, late Harry Potter, Percy Jackson and every YA dystopian novel in the late 2000s.
@@benwasserman8223 Well, the rebellion didn't really get appreciably "diverse" till the last movie, but still...Is it not possible that what's going on today is at least partially the fallout of generations of people who, in context or not, are seeing themselves in those "heroic rebel" mold that our most popular stories have glamourized? Similarly, the "secret eviil conspiracy" is a fun and time-honored trope...until delusional folks IRL start acting like such things are really happening! I'm not saying get rid of these tropes, but it does take some of the fun out of them when you see people on the news buying into even whackier stuff than in your RPG/tv show/whatever...
@@HandofOmega difficult. I fully understand what you mean and where you coming from. But would those idiots not make up their own conspiracy myths anyway, regardless if we had shows and movies about them? Not easy.
That's not really what Star Wars was about. Luke was never a rebel, he was a farm boy that got caught up in the greater story of the galaxy that he idly dreamed about but never seriously thought about joining. Of course I'm talking about the first film before the revelation that he was actually directly connect to the central matters of the wider conflict.
I really miss the early 2010s lineup of film reviewers/analysts for pop culture media. Now i have to tread carefully on Ring of Power analyses or anything Marvel because the algorithm pushes all the grifter/Fandom Menace/“i hate woke mwahhh” channels to to the top and I doubt they’ve even watched the show tbh. It’s not fun anymore. I mean seriously the big hang ons at this point are Chris Stuckmann and Jeremy Jahns. But Chris has focused more on his directing career and Jeremy feels far more jaded in recent years so what’s really left?
It’s interesting that you say that last line about Jeremy, because I thought I was the only one who’s felt that in recent years. I noticed there was a shift after 2016.
In my experience, being on RU-vid over the past ten years has increasingly meant forcing their algorithm to stop recommending content from reactionary dipshits. "Don't recommend channel" is your friend!
@@SemiProHawk707 Yeah to use a Community reference he’d appreciate, Jeremy has a real Darkest Timeline vibe to him now. It’s clearly the beard’s fault. Also the Obi-Wan/Ring of Power critiques are slightly worrying.
@@benwasserman8223 I understand what you mean. Perhaps I’m being naively optimistic, but I feel as though Jeremy’s reviews of both shows were at the very least better than the worst I’ve seen. He hasn’t devolved into the “raging nerd” archetype we see so much of on RU-vid…and I hope he never does reach that level.
I actually have several co-workers who believe the internet garbage is real. I have one who argues the most asinine misogynistic internet bro garbage and is convinced he's right because the internet is his only source of new information. This video actually brings a lot to light, specifically why he frustrates me so much, so thank you for that.
Man, I have a guy at my uni who casually talks like he's on a Chan-board in real life. I'm the only one who can zero in on which communities he gets his info from while everyone else just side-eyes him as if he's an alien with absurdly bad social skills. Dude literally assumes everyone has that same proclivity towards edgelord opinions and talk of "cultural purity".
@@rawalshadab3812 Man, when the people Bob talks about as being part of the stupid Internet tries to move among the mainstream and just crashes and burns in regular, everyday conversation as they go about their day in the only way they know how... it really does remind you of how sad it all is.
No kidding. Out of nowhere, the guy I was talking started to talk about how cultures should be separate and he wasn't happy with all the diversity in our uni whilst at a cocktail party. Funny thing is he was of Indian descent and living in the Netherlands, much like myself (I'm pakistani actually but similar enough). And I just had to roll my eyes at this self hatred.
@@rawalshadab3812 I have read about that online from other South-East Asian people, and the picture I get is that sentiments like those can be pretty common in people from countries which DO have a long history of "power" (as in war, conquest, martial history more or less) which India is, and were then subjugated themselves. It's kinda like... a history of being "shamed" conquerors breeds both an urge for revenge, and an urge to "purge" the elements you perceive as holding you back from becoming great again- multiculturalism, peaceful conversation, compromise... that's not what "strong" people do. It's kinda the nazi "one glorious master race ruling above all" isn't pervasive to JUST Europeans (we were just really promintent trend-setters), but a kind of reflex in the narrow-minded and insecure. The urge to buid a society of "insider" so we can have a united front that all go in one direction and enacting change without unclean influences slowing us down can be seen in many places all over the world. From what I hear of India their current boogeyman is muslims so they can create a Hindu-only nation, but I've a feeling that even if they succeed it will inevitably succumb to infighting and destruction since, well, look at us europeans again. We not only went to the furthest extreme that kind of thinking can take you with the nazis, we also showed the world that the nation born from such thinking will inevitably eat it's own. There's no trust, no unity, just people either worshipping the leader for fear of what will happen if they don't, or tearing each other apart in a competition for being on top and close to the leader. Which kinda brings it all back to the people Bob talks about. Even if it feels good for them, and the guy you're talking about as well, I bet, to think that you're cutting out all the worthless people and building a new, STRONG society shaking off degeneracy and weak woke multicultural stuff, concentrating on making a world of pure [insert whatever here], that hyperfocused aggresion on strength and domination and owning the libs and making a world that only has what their flimsy ideals allow... it will always result in a bunch of people who hate other people never learning to love others and getting along with others. Sooner or later they're gonna start hating and destroying the "pure" people they're with, because... it's all they know how to do. What other end-state CAN there be but that?
4:30 I wonder if one day someone will ever tell Mr. "scientific perspective" that several marine life do in fact have darker skin tones...like Orcas or the predators adapted to camouflage themselves with the sea floor to ambush their prey.
Well, you know someone's desperate when they're trying to apply a "scientific perspective" to pure fantasy. "I'm not racist; there's an objective logical reason that an elf can't be black!" LOL. Or I was downright baffled when I saw people attacking The Last Jedi for bad physics. Like... really? Is this your first Star War? The franchise has NEVER cared about physics.
@@jasonblalock4429 This is why one should always remember that science is a systematic process rather than a secular substitute for a belief system. Treating it otherwise is to just find new excuses for the old prejudices.
Plus if scientific accuracy is your concern, my first question would be "Why aren't bubbles constantly coming out of their mouths when they talk?" Or "Why is their hair not all over the place?"
This is eye opening. I had no idea Yellowstone was this popular. Though I have watched Billions and heard mom Talk about Succession, I only know about Yellowstone from some YT commercials for it a while back.
Duuude! This is a masterpiece! It is hands down a tour de force example of your best work and I genuinely loved every bit of it. You hit the nail on the head so thoroughly on each point you built an intellectual bomb shelter. Each cut away gag was perfect, the cuts of fake critique bullshit were on point, and the references to actual viewer demo numbers articulates your point excellently. This was spectacular work. People need to wake the hell up and see how these so called social media platforms have become nothing but corrals to trap, control, and capitalize public dialog. I'm so pleased to see you call out Twitter and RU-vid for precisely that. I'm looking forward to Schlocktober but it did make me wonder something. Have you ever done anything with the Red Letter Media guys for Best of The Worst? It feels like that would be something both you and they would enjoy. I for one would get a kick out of seeing you interact with them. I rather imagine you would get along with Rich and Jay, but Mike might actually drive you nuts. I dunno, there's no telling. For the record, Jack is the worst of the worst. :-)
I literally cannot cope with the insanity of Internet fandom anymore. That Rings of Power series premiers. I enjoy it, my friends enjoy it, even my miserable dad who hates everything enjoys it. But the only discourse online is 'THIS SERIES BURNED MY HOUSE DOWN, MURDERED MY CAT AND THEN MADE THE END OF GAME OF THRONES GOOD' despite the fact the exact same talking heads were screaming and wailing about the exact same ending and how much better Rings of Power will be a year ago! I mean for frigs sake no one can even seem to comprehend how a show works anymore. Everyone's wailing they don't know where a plot point is going. Yes, that's how television works. You watch it and find out!
Man I thought it was just me, I'm hating internet fandom now as well for their dumb as fuck takes on complaining about every damn thing, particularly weekly release TV shows. Am I that old that I'm one of the few that remember how this shit works? How you set up things and then growth and arcs happen? This seems pretty fucking basic to me yet I have to put up with endless griping about things that are set up for further down the line. It's like watching the first third of a movie and then whining about why this certain thing is happening as though the answer isn't watch the rest of the fucking thing.
This is something I’ve been noticing as well, I think Marvel films, as much as I love them, have trained people to expect a certain formula and structure from everything. This is why Marvel shows are having people say this sort of thing.
@@jackcollin4947 Nah, the complaints I see are purely people not understanding how a narrative works and that you start things one way that progress as the story goes on. Frankly I see a lot of it in discussions for all sorts of things, in movies it's "why did this character not do this thing?" (because people are flawed and also then there wouldn't be a story) and in shows they just seem to have lost all comprehension that the plot is on-going and will be developed further in the coming episodes. I feel like it's part of the way people are so used to instant gratification now, for shows that are dropped at once it isn't so much an issue, but it's almost like that model has made them forget you have to actually wait for the resolution to the setup. It's just how story-telling frigging works, but the internet is all about nitpicking every damn thing at all times now that this is the result.
The dude arguing that a darker skinned mermaid isn’t scientifically accurate absolutely ended me Yeah, in a movie that has a talking crustacean and a magic wielding villain, the mermaid not being white is the major point that ruins the scientific authenticity…
I keep seeing that She-Hulk twerking clip and I really hope that she uses that to generate sonic claps powerful enough to level a city in the next Infinity War.
Prior to this video, my entire exposure to Yellowstone was a clip of Kevin Costner telling a vegan that when you actually plow the fields you'll see it kills the shit out of a bunch of worms and moles and such, I had NO IDEA it was such a big show. So yeah, that whole bit was pretty on point. On the other hand, I would argue Blade has very much the same "they don't need to know it's a comic book, shhh" energy as MIB (which is certainly present in X-men with its now mocked all black leather supersuits, just... there's no hiding that X-men is X-men).
I’m not sure how deep knowledge that Blade was from comics went. Cause one of the weird things is that kids who were outside the movie’s age demographic knew he was somehow involved in superhero stuff because he guest-started on the Fox Spider-Man cartoon.
That's stupid. It's not that most vegans are some religious fanatics. They usually believe (and are right) that global warming would be less bad without mass factory farming. And you if you want all of humanity to get better, you need to start with yourself. It's always people with a bad conscious lashing out. Curious.
@@AdamYJ And Blade dates back to the Tomb of Dracula series by Marv Wolfman and Gene Colan, which started up in the late 1970s. So yeah, he's been around a while.
You are totally right about nobody knows the next big thing Bob. Yahtzee always says that if someone knew the next big thing, they would make that and be super rich
"Look at the United States of America right now! What is more important to our culture than The Joker? I swear to God that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.
I think the one big takeaway everyone would benefit from is to never gauge your enjoyment of anything to how popular it is. Don't let "everyone's doing it" be your selling point. Do you know what my favorite XBox 360 game was? Don King Presents Prizefighter. Really. A boxing game starring the most notorious promoter of all time. It was intuitive, it had a sensible difficulty progression, it had a variety of styles, there were plenty of things to unlock, and the story was compelling. "But, Halo! And Saints Row! And Forza Motorsport! And Deathsmiles! And, and, that Star Wars one!" You can have them. Give me tricky dodges and crushing knockdowns any day. The neighbors enjoy the sight of gratuitous green lawyer butt-flapping? Let them. Don't waste days of your precious life railing against it, time you could be spending enjoying the things _you_ like.
I was curious how long it was going to take for Bob to address the cyber-elephant in the room that is the alt-right, always-online, humorless twits of the social medias.
@@christopherb501 Perhaps I should have clarified as the focus of the video rather than as a one-off cutaway. Like, this two-parter probably spends more time on the subject than other recent videos.
I...kinda hope he doesn't. Both for his sanity and our own. At least for a little while. I mean, outside the occasional pot shots and passing references, those chuds don't need anymore face time than they already get being squawking outrage goblins in facebook comment sections and RU-vid verbal bowel evacuations. Granted there might be some meat to the idea of deep dive into how, for example, most of the "Get Woke Go Broke" RU-vid bile barfers often have no actual interest or understanding of the franchises or properties they critique and claim to be "real fans" of. Only pump out their click bait vids to generate ad revenue cash for themselves. And one could perhaps do a college level thesis on "The Sarkeesian Effect" where commenting on or pointing out bad or toxic behavior of fandoms or geek culture as whole only seems to cause responders to often exhibit in real time the very bad or toxic behavior being commented on or pointed out (and shucks howdy hasn't She-Hulk been prime candidate for that lately.) But there's only so many times and so many ways one can remind the world that those using terms like "Woke", "PC Pandering", "SJW", "Forced Diversity", "Feminism", " Agenda", etc... as unironic pejoratives are really bad actors who see geek and nerd culture as a means to push their narrow minded, regressive attitudes or cover up their own personal insecurities and deep seeded bigotries for fun and profit. Partially because the folks who would really need to have such a thing pointed out them wouldn't listen anyway and partially because it will make you tear your hair out. And after this two parter spleen venting I'd rather Bob get a chance to chill a bit and enjoy doing his Schlocktober thing.
Thank you for the Daicon footage. I love any excuse to remember that the Daicon intro exists and introduced me to the best ELO album. No, I will not be taking questions at this Time (1981).
Yeah every older nerd has to mentor younger nerds and explain to them that most people just do not engage with media like they do. My co-workers all love House of the Dragon. Do they actually give the slightest fuck about the characters, world, or plot? I couldn't tell you. I'm not in their heads and the only things they ever outwardly say are inane, superficial observations like "the dragon is cool" or "it's so complex!" What I do know for sure is that they fucking LOVE having a common "thing" to discuss. The delivery mechanism is almost incidental. I tell the young ones-- by all means get frustrated, get critical, really disassemble the engine of what you like and figure out how to build it better and don't tolerate con men who want to sell you shoddy goods... but never treat commercial media or your opinion of them like they're fine china. I assure you-- they are much, much tougher and more resilient than you'll think or feel like they are. Do your diligence, but know when the fuck to move on and touch grass.
I was talking to someone about the new live action little mermaid being black and mentioned something about how light doesn't make it to the bottom of the ocean. I was deliberately being a smartass and we both laughed at the silliness of pointing this out about a fictional character that's a mermaid. And yet here we are, apparently what I said in jest someone is saying seriously. I have to agree, the internet is stupid.
The Little Mermaid and Namor's Atlantis both show intermarriage between the mer people and humans on land, plus both Ariel and Namor are weirdoes that spend as much time on the surface as they do deep under the sea. Their brown skin can be explained in so many ways, but people just want to be offended.
@@xsanguine8 It's mostly RU-vid grifters appealing to racist bottom-feeders because the racist bottom-feeders are dumb enough to give you money if you promise to tell them what they want to hear.
Not to mention that anglerfish which live very deep have dark brown skin (but that’s irrelevant because once again magical mermaid aren’t real and can be whatever color we want)
As someone who doesn’t have Twitter it’s funny when I hear about a controversy. Can we all stop using Twitter including you, Bob. You’d be happier if you stopped using Twitter.
years of "isn't it amazing how fast GoT became culturally irrelevant" memes without anyone ever realizing that if you're still making "GoT is irrelevant" memes, than GoT isn't irrelevant.
Bob, I think this might be one of your best videos. "The internet is stupid" may very well be the moral of the story. And this perspective of how small "social media" is a real part of all audiences is eye-opening
Funny part is I heard yellow stone shows from many people. Also Reservation Dogs from my friends, but don't hear about it in Internet culture. Reservation Dogs had only appeared once on a tonight show and that was when 2nd season came out. First time I noticed the internet was wrong, people I targeted on my youtube videos aren't active members online. One guy came up to me was like, hey I like your videos, I asked who they were on my subscription list and learned from him he wasn't registered on youtube. I encountered more people like him. They're people who aren't subscribed and don't view all my videos, but if one is catchy, they'll view it.
Haven't watched the Nostalgia Critic in a bit, but his Ghostbusters 2016 review was spot-on the money, esp when his character in the skit realizes who the TRUE enemy is: The Internet! It's made us all impatient and intolent and just *stupid*! All joking aside, I'm not gonna go full on "old man yells"...but I do seriously wonder if we were truly ready for social media. With every year, it seems more and more likely that it won't be nuclear weapons or pandemics that destroy our civilization...it'll be things like Facebook and Twitter.
@@millennialcaveman8383 Everytime I bring this up to friends, they immediately tell me how THEY handle it just fine, and how useful it is to them in life...which makes me think about that MiB quote, about how "a person can be smart, but people (as a whole) are stupid"! I'm not a complete luddite, I don't think we should get rid of it as a whole, even IF we could (which I doubt), but it can be modified to be less toxic, I'm sure...
Moral of the story: the internet is reactionary and has NO attention span at all! Nothing new! It's almost as if people should form their own opinions. Who would've thought!
Dear lord, Bob! Get out of my head! My RU-vid feed has gotten pinged with a few of the individuals you clipped in here and it was just nice to hear someone with a platform call out their vitriol. You’re good at your job, man. I appreciate your content! 👍🏻
I stopped paying attention to streaming ratings around late last year and boy is my life better for it. I'm glad I haven't had to read the crap that's going to be spewed by incels hating on Ms Marvel. Seems like they're shitting themselves over She-Hulk as well since I saw a bit of that recently, what a surprise. These dummies have no concept of the fact that Marvel is going to be building the character up on top of her bringing in people who they haven't directly appealed to so far, which is incredibly valuable. They probably don't even think about how the first Thor and Captain America movies probably didn't even break even but they were the building blocks for The Avengers blowing the fuck up. And then lo and behold, their follow up movies doubled the box office of their first movies. It isn't just about every property becoming an instant smash hit, it's about the long game.
As someone who had no idea that Yellowstone was a show let alone a popular one, I am glad to report that through watching this video I got an ad halfway through for both it and paramount+. Still not gonna watch it but damn the algorithm works fast. Also, as a dumb kid in the 90s I had no idea that blade was a marvel movie at the time. Neither did my friends, or people when I talk to them about it today. It doesn't seem like a Super Hero movie. It has vampires, sword and gun fights, and the club scene. If you don't tell people Blade is a marvel character they have no idea. It's just a good fun movie.
When it comes to the comic book sales arguement I just point to the guardians of the galaxy, that comic never sold well and it's one of the best and most popular films in the mcu. Also as I pointed out to someone asking why are they adapting a she hulk story that didn't sell well, different stories work better in different mediums, a comic following a superhero just being a lawyer isn't sometting I'd buy but a TV show doing that exact same story sounds interesting and probably something that I'd watch.
I'm particularly fond of Mr. Chipman's example of Eternals, as niche as comic properties get, one King Kirby himself couldn't keep going too long and yet it still made 400+ million at the height of the COVID pandemic. And I doubt anyone remembers that Guardians of the Galaxy started off as a Buck Rogers pastiche.
Funny thing is, I've seen a couple of different comics from different publishers based on lawyers in a superhero/supernatural world. Not enough to make it a genre of it's own, but enough to know that *someone* was buying these things.
To be fair, the Alt-Right was using Yellowstone as an example of un-woke TV success (despite the fact that Yellowstone by their definitions is WOKE AF) but they kind of stopped. And no, Mayor Of Kingstown isn't a spinoff of Yellowstone.
Survivor bias! Things only get big or reviled on the internet if they're of interest to people on the internet. Good point, Bob. Those clips of people like the Shapiro creature were deeply unpleasant, though.
So I know this is wildly tangential, but if they remade the Towering Inferno but it’s a movie about Superman saving everybody, that’s a billion dollar idea right there
My gods, Law & Order is still going on! Barely anyone talks about it online, yet here they are with 3 concurrent shows. They even brought back the OG Law & Order after cancelling it nearly a decade ago. All those fandom shows are small fries compared to regular TV that are still somehow on going. Only recently did they cancel one of the last daytime soap drama.
I'm just constantly impressed, nay, exalted by Bob's clear eyed ability to cut through the crap and dig into the true core of an issue and open a counter discourse to what seems the only public truth. Nobody else talks about pop culture like this, we get hour-long real-talk essays about pop-culture issues from some incredibly smart women on this platform, but nobody does it as approachable as Bob, especially in the "man-o-sphere". All the Stuckmanns, Jahns, Rochas and Murrells ain't got shit on Chipman.
I used to enjoy the Critical Drinker because at first he did have some nuanced commentary on why certain things failed or he was upset over, but then he jumped right onto that DisneyBAD WOKE train and it just made his views contradictory and intolerable.
I think the idea of “fatigue” can only be applied on an individual basis. Like, I’m kinda tired of the Star Wars franchise, but I know than when I come back it’ll be to watch Obi Wan because everyone says the black girl was awesome and baby-Leia is adorable. And I took a HUGE break from the Disney live-action remakes (because they’re mostly bad) but I know I’ll be giving The Little Mermaid a shot. It’ll probably happen with Marvel at some point, too.
When I first learned who they cast as Ariel, my first thought was, “Really? Her?? But.. she got plowed by Billy Bob! Well.. can she sing???” ..Upon discovering the difference between Halle Berry & Halle Bailey, my next reaction was like, “Oh, I see. Well… Can she sing??” …Guess what? SHE CAN SING! It’s all good!! 😂😂😂
Their hate-boners for Obi-Wan Kenobi, Captain Marvel and especially Rings of Power have to be the most hilarious things ever. So how hard did these things fail? Oh, right, the first two have made buckets of money and the third one's well on its way to make mountains of money. But..."get woke, go broke":, am I right, fellas? :)) :)) :))
I remember last week on Twitter there was a screencap from Rings of Power floating around Twitter saying it was the worst CGI of the year. For one, yes, a lot of things CGI is going to look a bit unpolished if you take a single frame out of context. And two, the CGI in that screenshot looked FANTASTIC. It was well rendered, there were tons of little details, and as someone who actually watched the show, it looked great in motion too.
@@madsgrams2069 Easy enough to explain. What all these loudmouths whining about "woke" aspire to be are "discerning" snobs who dictate popular culture. But they're so comically ignorant about...well, EVERYTHING, as our Mr. Chipman says, that it's obvious they're just projecting their most cherished prejudices. It never occurs to them how they're being used...by clickbaiters, Zack Snyder if they're his cultists, Marvel Studios as PR generators that make people come out to see their stuff. Thus, they reveal themselves as jealous sheep of a smaller flock instead of the mainstream majority they want to claim. So...stay asleep, stay a sheep.
According to the internet, She-Hulk is not only bad, but it's the worst thing Marvel has ever done. Meanwhile, I frickin love She-Hulk, it's such a fun and quirky little comedy show that I didn't know I needed after all the serious mcu dramas.
I honestly think Phase 4 is arguably the best and most solid Phase the MCU has had so far, and how experimental they're getting is a breath of fresh air that cuts through any fatigue I may have had. And yet when I look for like-minded individuals all I find is people trashing every aspect of it for mostly stupid reasons. Though I guess I should have expected it after being a lifelong fan of Episodes I-III, Spider-Man 3, The Hobbit films, and many many many other decent-to-great films that the internet and mainstream geekdom in general has apparently collectively decided are to a one crimes against humanity worse than any other atrocity committed by human beings.
@@HobGungan So much this. Sure, not all of it is great, and the serieses have frankly all beem very uneven in quality. But the sheer variety more than makes up for it! I have never been this dedicated to watching everything MCU puts out, because it's not all just more of the same. Which gets boring after a decade no matter how good "the same" is.
@@TheEvilCheesecake In my case, it is. I have NEVER been them for as long as I can remember and reserve the right to tell anyone to go to hell, including folks nominally on my side.
@@johnathonhaney8291 then allow me to do the same. as someone on "my side", you can go to hell. Do the same work that you're demanding others do, or sit in the same bucket as them.
Thank you! So many of the news outlets I follow will not. Shut. Up. About "Succession," even while it's been pulling way less viewership than (as you pointed out) "Yellowstone." And at least "Yellowstone" has nice scenery.
This video was excellent, better than part 1 I think as it land the point very well with key points the internet was/is wrong or ignorant about: the HotD prequels doing very well, the Snyderverse garbage and the crazy success of Yellowstone which flies under the radar on the internet. Thx you Bob for your insight, it always great to listen to.
I remember when i was young i was surprised to hear a band was playing a stadium near me. I briefly though how can they fill a stadium i stopped listening to them a long time ago? Of course i realized how stupid that was right away but there are too many people that think that logically follows
"The whole world can just look up everything about your niche nerd thing," has been part of the world for as long as I have been sentient (and I'm THIRTY.) That's how I got into most of my nerd shit fandoms. Just obsessively reading fan wikis and stuff from the age of like 11 to now.
this kinda reminds me alot about casual games and how you rarely hear about the sizable fanbases they have but you would never know about that because all people usually talk about are the ones people talk about on social media. like dark souls, pokemon, shooters etc. Like some people actually don't get how popular these games are, the only difference is you rarely hear people talk about them. And that because they're usually played by older women. And when I mean casual, I'm not talking about some laid back indie games like Stardew Valley and FTl, I'm talking about games like Nancy Drew, Mystery Case Files, Diner Dash etc.
@@jadedheartsz can you be specific? In real life or online? I'm mostly talking about social media sites like RU-vid, reddit, twitter. The only thing I know about Roblox is that it's like Minecraft and its where the "-oof " sound came from.
@@jadedheartsz huh, guess we have different media bubbles then. The only way I would get Roblox content is if I would actively search for it. I've never seen it appear in my social media feed at all.
Btw, An thing about comic sales I dont think people understand is trade paperbacks do well especally among the YA crowd. Its why The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Moon Girl lasted as ling as they did. (And why Marvel is making an animated version of Moon Girl) Ms. marvel and Ironheart are the same. Marvel and Disney being the marketing geniuses know who their audience is and its why they kept making all the money.
To be fair to these people, I don’t think the sales figures for trades are actually released, so they understandably go by the available data for trades.
First, I loved this. This video shows how aptly named this series is. Not only that, but this video really made me take stock of the content I've been consuming. If I have any criticism of this video is it that it didn't touch on Amazon's Rings of Power. I'm not siding with any criticism or love for ROP here and I know the point of this video is that the ROP online discussion its not worth our time, but I still find myself wondering why it didn't at least get a nod in some form. It's a glaring omission in an otherwise excellent topical work. And the percent of the amount of the world that uses Twitter, that made my whole day. Thanks Bob!
@@johnathonhaney8291 Oh crap! You’re right! Thanks! ✨✅✨ I guess I was hoping for more on it, so I missed that. So, I’m still a bit unsatisfied, but now only like 1-2%. Again, great vid. And thanks again! ✨✅✨
Well we know his wife doesn't take him seriously. I don't know her and I would bet any money she is a terrible person based on the company she keeps, but even someone like that deserves an orgasm every now and then.
