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Which one is faster, the BMW M3 Competition Saloon, or the M3 Comp Touring?
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Running Order of this video;
00:00 Intro
01:10 Specifications
03:18 Race 1
04:35 Race 2
06:05 Race 3
07:42 Final Race
09:00 3rd gear run
09:38 Auto run
10:28 2nd gear run
11:06 4th gear run
12:06 Braking test
13:00 Brake test 2
13:19 Conclusion
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@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

For anyone crying about the Touring being on the wetter side of the runway - We had the runway for a very limited time, cameras were setup to run Touring down the left. It was on the drier side when doing the rolling runs on the way back and the results were the same. Also, the braking tests (either side) showed the tarmac had the same level of grip on both sides. I can't control the weather and I can't afford to hire the runway for hours, we did a brilliant job with what we had. Find some tissues and get on with your Sunday 😘

@hornet99923 Год назад

I absolutely agree! those who don't like it don't have to watch it!👍

@shopgeo Год назад

@@hornet99923 It’s not about liking or watching, it’s about setting a neutral environment to offer a fair / unbiased comparison…

@eugenux Год назад

come on man, even if the tc stops as little as 2 or 3% of power in 1st but, mostly in second gear, it is enough to have an edge over the other car.

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

@@shopgeo I'd argue it's not fair complaining like a little bitch about free content... 🤔

@yousifshakoor6496 Год назад

@@JoeAchilles1 lol well said 😂

@NathanMannin Год назад

Loved how synchronised they both sound even though the saloon is ever so slightly faster! Would be really interesting to see how much difference there’d be with the G80 M3 and the F90 M5!

@antonoat Год назад

Why didn’t you change lanes in the cars, the estate was in the noticeably wetter part of the track every time! Both rapid though! 👏😀👍

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Lack of time to setup cameras. We did the rolling races in opposite lanes and braking tests showed both lanes had exactly the same grip.

@PQV-8898 Год назад

Touring! Estate is MB.

@Kelveron Год назад

Touring's side of the runway definitely seemed wetter! But great fun either way. The Touring is clearly every bit as much a weapon as the saloon. 💪🏻

@stevenfurayi8607 Год назад

what a race between these siblings. the sound that these two make 💯💯💯

@make.oxtail.cheap.again1 Год назад

The estate on the wetter part of the track in the opening scene

@TheDailyDriven Год назад

Awesome video. Been seeing the increase in quality on this channel 👏🏻. Keep it up Joe! Very interesting race between the G8x platform.

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@matthewrichardson795 Год назад

Cracking Joe. Love the multiple in gear tests. I would love to see more torque orientated top gear drags to expose torque deficiencies.

@pjmoody Год назад

Thanks for sharing Joe. Amazing comparison.

@ThomasJohnson-fr4gp Год назад

Looks like so much fun. Brilliant content as always. Love these cars!!

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@cjdtnns Год назад

Superb Joe!...more like this please!...🙏🏻

@Tobore Год назад

Can’t believe how prices have gone up in the last few years, but thanks for the upload Joe….

@omnihein9322 Год назад

Yeah, blame inflation for that.

@alex_knight Год назад

Great vid, hopefully see you at Goodwood somewhen this year 👍🏻

@iBladey Год назад

Great video as always Joe. So glad i subscribed a few months ago.

@taxfreecharlie Год назад

Hey Joe…great content as always. Out of interest how many miles have each car done at this point..most of my BM’s started to open up at around 4/6k miles and continued too

@thefinestdetail7619 Год назад

You never struck me as the type of guy to give in to the keyboard warriors. Love your videos and will continue too but seriously don’t give into them. It will only ruin your own great reputation rather then theirs. Keep up the great content! 👌🏻

@richardn.5548 Год назад

Great video idea, excellent execution!

@simonhoward6955 Год назад

Are you using launch control or just holding on the brake for a 3 secs and releasing?

@134emps Год назад

Another cracking vid joe. New shoes? What are they?

@scottmuir2385 Год назад

Cracking Video Comparison - Cant wait to see yours soon as I reckon in Davit Grey will be epic!

@myporscheadventures Год назад

very interesting 👌 I'm not even sure if I do really prefer the touring.. might be down to colour aswell, but your sedan just looks so perfect. can't wait to see your touring

@beenflying1 Год назад

Fun to watch. Thanks!

@BryceBrown1 Год назад

Great comparison! Beaut sound with the two in harmony, interesting to hear the slight difference in shift times... Looking forward to more wagon content 👌 veeeery soon!

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@4_HOSI_GP Год назад

I Love the camera mini cinematics we get when you at the starting line

@darrenhunter1902 Год назад

What's the mileage on the touring ? Not worried about running it in etc before thrashing it?

@gmoneii1117 Год назад

Great comparison, mate!!

@geoffwatches Год назад

Do I recognise that gr11 lez plate from your channel or from driving around Sussex? I feel it's the latter but I'm guessing you're around Croydon.

@Joshcarsandcollectibles Год назад

Just love starting my Sunday watching epic cars drag race! Great content as usual, Joe and what a blast that must have been!

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@mee_ehow5106 Год назад

Idk doing so many runs, but not changing lanes to eliminate wetness as a factor

@aneebaba06 Год назад

LOL the ending!! That was hilariously brilliant.

@davidbillberg2203 Год назад

Nice Joe!! The Touring looks so good!

@mfcriz2561 Год назад

Wagon all day long! Outside shot sound is killer with both cars shifting at the same time. Both with Miltek would sound so cool!

@cocopopscoco 8 месяцев назад

Hey, do you have 100 - 200 time for the touring?

@rabelanichristophertshidad2425 Год назад

Wow!! the gear change sound happening simultaneously 🤗. I love both the cars

@kissgergo5202 Год назад

That shift sound clunk is so nice! I don't why but sound like there's some serious power behind that

@cobratrinity Год назад

Let's just take the time to appreciate how slick Joe's videos are. Editing on point. Get content as always Joe.

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@richardwreford4778 Год назад

Great vid Joe as always. Perhaps in time you could get Tony to do you an AC Schnitzer upgrade on your touring.

@Justrandomstufffrommarkmiller Год назад

Love your videos that touring is just 👌🏻

@timnewbury1792 Год назад

Hi Jo Two considerations The touring is newer and perhaps tighter as yours has let's say been used In my opinion Nothing in it Great video Don't cancel your Touring Brilliant as always Thank you Tim

@TheOriginalTommo Год назад

I think aerodynamics played a part at higher speeds too. What's the CD of the saloon v the estate? Great vid 👍

@jagayong9333 Год назад

Great races! You might want to consider swapping sides after every race, like you did with the brake test, so both cars get to perform on different surfaces and a bit more fairness, in future drag races.

@dwilson147 Год назад

I'd love to know if the "run in" on the saloon could make any difference too? Both cars are lovely, especially the interiors.

@muhammadashir8890 Год назад

Lovely video 😍

@c.k245 Год назад

So are you upgrading or downgrading with the touring mate, touring looks better but saloon better all-rounder

@davidhenderson3444 Год назад

Be good to see the race done again when you get the touring and parts fitted against a standard saloon

@bartoski-ag Год назад

what is the unsprung to regular mass multiplier? like 10 or 15x? I know why bmw got rid of dct... cause their launch control never worked haha

@TheLogicprouser Год назад

Rotational mass is about a 4x multiplier but not sure on unsprung.

@DeltaDubai03 Год назад

Interesting video. I wish you had turned the RaceBox on so we could get rid of the reaction time/track differences...

@darrenboston342 Год назад

Nice to see the 1200 mile running in part is being taken gently!🤔😂

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

It's a press car, they are always delivered Run in.

@clementf3686 Год назад

Thanks Joe for this video.. As you said in the "8500 miles review video of your M3 sedan" you cannot argue with physics. Anyhow imo the touring looks much better in dark colours such as dravit or frozen black. Silverstone interior is stunning.

@JoeAchilles1 Год назад

Thank you!

@bfg58simon Год назад

Love the vid. Let’s see an Alpina B3 or B5 touring up against the M3. Torque versus BHP!

@AUTOIDTV Год назад

That frozen blue paint 🤤

@_M3NACE_ Год назад

Let us know how the wagon compares as a daily after you’ve had enough seat time. Great vid Joe 👍🏻

@stevensink5544 5 месяцев назад

So cool I live in the US and we can’t drag race or any kind of race in the wet but you guys are racing 500 plus Horsepower cars in the wet is sooo Awesome!! I’ve owned a couple of xdrive 535’s (E60-F10) but the power difference is substantial. I know this is an older video but well done Joe what Amazing BMW’s

@mcwendel8066 Год назад

That wagon is beautiful!!

@huseyinyaman3180 Год назад

Brilliant comparison and great to see how both these machines perform against each other. Given they’re so close performance-wise surely you’d have to pick the Touring over the Saloon due to its practicality?? Keep up the great work, Joe 💪🏼

@Floridos Год назад

I think the extra weight of the touring at the back might be a little bit of a helping factor for pushing the tires harder in the tarmac during launch.

@user-ef7qh6qm5w Год назад

Yep swings and roundabouts for sure

@cameroncameron476 Год назад

Engine has loosened up nicely on GR11LEZ...cool video

@BradBClips Год назад

Joe, Since you were in MDM, were you footbraking the initial start and not using LC on both cars? Great runs!

@chickenballpizza4902 Год назад

You can use LC with MDM.

@BradBClips Год назад

@@chickenballpizza4902 is this a European only thing? I thought dsc had to be off

@DC5dotty Год назад

Great vid. I love the saloon 😬

@an09dre Год назад

Thank you for the video and I am looking forward to the review and comparisons.😮I thought there was a 1250 mile running in for the tourer ? & the performance has been dialled back a smidge until that running in service is completed ?

@peterg4205 Год назад

Exactly what I was thinking.

@mnoovurvi Год назад

Why would the performance be dialed back a bit ? What difference does it make whether it's 400, 450 or 500hp for the break in ? There is no such thing

@an09dre Год назад

Nick, Thanks for pointing that out. I may have miss read. But certainly any new engine you would run in and have the oils changed before flooring it especially a performance one. I expect Joe was super excited and had limited time left with his saloon.

@mnoovurvi Год назад

@@an09dre If it's a press car it's either already done before giving it to others or nobody at BMW cares about it.

@Adam_Rosenberg91 Год назад

Joe do you think some of that arguably negligible difference between the two was down to the newer touring vs a ‘broken in’ Grillez?

@shaymanben Год назад

Exactly what I was thinking, almost definitely yes I’d say.

@Adam_Rosenberg91 Год назад

Also, I would imagine not every car is producing the exact same amount of HP/Torque. Take another M3 or M4 and it might be a slight different way round, either way, still think 0-60s are real work pointless lol.

@chrispyy606060606 Год назад

How may km’s on each car? I bet most of the difference is down to break in of the motor. The touring is probably only a tenth slower from weight alone once broken in.

@rampageashton Год назад

I’ve got an X3M. I can’t see any reason to get the Touring

@Team_Krause Год назад

Loving all the content on the Touring! Great video Joe! keep churning mate.

@gerrygeerinckx2576 Год назад

Why must be the touring start in the wet side of the track? Must be nice if you switch.

@PhatTok Год назад

Gear changes are almost in perfect harmony !

@ianwilkinson7612 Год назад

The state of run-in/mileage on the engines will have a significant effect on low mileage vehicles. It would appear that the touring had less miles on the engine - can you confine this?

@marlborom2c829 Год назад

It's always raining where you live. Ever get any days of brilliant sunshine where you can drive proper?

@planetrocker5652 Год назад

For a moment, I was hoping that you would keep both ;)

@imranahmad6289 Год назад

Im assuming GR11LEZ has more miles under itts belt to loosen up that S58 which may partially account for some of the difference

@rkeshan1997 Год назад

Fabulous❤

@Ar5had07 Год назад

I can’t believe no one picked up that the estate has the Driver Assistance Professional package optioned, so it’s heavier even more.

@MeijaJanis 4 месяца назад

some time ago dealership offered test drive of g30 i was not impressed. months later i was wondering around in same dealership saw g31, week later i drove it home. there is something about tourings, Joe would know what i am talking about

@rimmerblues1586 Год назад

In a previous comment i mentioned i'm lukewarm about the new 3er Touring, however that M3 Touring in Portimao Blue really pops in this dull weather, looks like a solid wagon 👍 Not only less weight off-the-line but also the aerodynamics must play a significant part in why the saloon was faster as the hatchback shape is likely to cause drag - hence why hatches suffer from more road-grime on the rear window than sedans thus needing a rear wiper. The cars made a great sound side-by-side.

@sawektomkiewicz3012 Год назад

Great video. Please check M3 wagon against Audi rs6.

@clementf3686 Год назад

Joe... check the latest video of prior design channel! You have definitely chosen the best colour for the touring! it's stunning in dravit

@iananderson5357 Год назад

What about the fact you were saying in your last video that you feel that basically your car is probably in the sweet spot where the engine has freed up and everything just feels a little better than when it’s new which the touring is so don’t be to hard on the touring yet🤔

@kevincockburn7805 Год назад

Tourings really are the best shape of M3. Especially for anyone over 40. In a touring you don't look like you are trying to hard, a great all round package.

@MrLIVELINESOLUTIONS Год назад

Shocking result!

@mperformanceuncommercial Год назад

Why the blue one always must start by the slippery wet conditions? 😅

@leemace9638 Год назад

If I had to choose which one to drive home in I’ll pick the touring every day 👍🇦🇺

@maheshsrigiriraju8757 Год назад

When the performance is so close, it makes more practical sense to pick the station wagon, if you are ok with a bit more cabin noise inside.

@bobstarr Год назад

Great vid. Breaking in the engine will probably help.

@jonstenson2708 Год назад

I’ve been looking at these for last few years since you showed concept art . Order books open again now for December delivery . I’m tempted but it’s still £100k for a 3 series estate

@thambomathambo7146 Год назад

That's 911 money. 60k would have been reasonable. The prices will eventually come down.

@TrueFilter Год назад

Ridiculous. What are you actually getting above an m340i with that? 40k for a bit more speed and stiffness.

@twojstary_666 Год назад

@@thambomathambo7146 if you manage to order one, currently wait time could be easily 18 months - not to mention that base 911 without any options are pretty meeh... Also the real power of new M3 is it's tuning potential - easily tuneable with just software over 750 HP.

@adamkhan5274 Год назад

Was just about to make a remark about the runway LOLOL. One anorak point id like to make is the saloons engine will be making a bit more power as its been well used and run in. Newer engines get looser and make more power with time. So id say based on that its a minute difference between the two cars.

@douglaspuglas6888 Год назад

Shoulda swapped sides just for a comparison?

@progressisbeautiful1541 Год назад

Joe, is it me or the surface for the estate was more under water than for the saloon? 💁‍♂️ Maybe you should switch from race to race.

@markrhoden68 Год назад

M3 touring vs RS6 ?

@jm9371 Год назад

The left side of the track was DEFINITLY wetter than the right side. Either way, fantastic fun video; I think your conclusion would have been the same.

@carlvangansen7227 Год назад

Waiting for the Vid of the M340i and M340d

@ofentsetsipa1578 Год назад

Wish the Touring was coming to South Africa🔥

@rustafwa8519 Год назад

Better to have a 3rd person to call the race. But good video, enjoyed it

@mra8972 Год назад

Thats red interior is just so 👌

@madpistol Год назад

Dueling S58s.... you have the best job in the world.

@domiwer Год назад

The thumb rule I know about rotating mass is factor 5-8, so the 10kgs vs 85kgs would be quite close according to that

@ShogunsDojo Год назад

seeing a lot of comments about how the touring is a downgrade or that people don’t get why BMW is making it. Essentially it’s just the same car with an even broader appeal and use case so the M3 is viable for a greater demographic of customers. Don’t think about it too hard, it’s existence only adds to the M3. Great video Joe.