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NEW Bosch SX Lightweight eBike Motor!

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Bosch eBike systems have just released their all new lightweight motor! Say hello to the Bosch Performance Line SX drive, a motor designed for Gravel, Urban and lightweight eMTB. At 2kg, 55 Nm and 600 peak power with a 400wh battery and a 250wh range extender. Bosch says this has the highest power density of their lineup and combines the riding sensation of a conventional bicycle with the advantages of an eBike.
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@HarryASMR Год назад

Thank you for explaining the power difference between the cadences for each motor! As someone with the muscle fibre type more developed to crank it in a higher gear/lower cadence, it’s good to bear in mind when considering what I’d get out of each motor. Great content as always!

@paularthur6456 Год назад

When is a comparison of this motor system against the Fazua and new Levo SL systems coming out?

@alfredo6083 8 месяцев назад

120rpm for maximum power in Bosch SX seems crazy to me, it's a pedal like a "coffee grinder". I think this should be reviewed by Bosch engineers.

@chassdesk Год назад

That sx motor looks so huge! UL SL should be ultra small and stealth in my mind. I like the looks of the TQ and Fazura ect much better. Cheers guys great review.

@riteandleft Год назад

Yep Bosch could have 'copied' others and made it smaller. But the laws of physics then limit the power and torque. No, Bosch have come up with a very compact motor that beats the others hands down for torque and power. Don't like the way it looks? use a lower power unit. Seems a daft objection to me, it's not as if it's huge is it?!

@Paulthenutter34 Год назад

After riding a Yamaha powered bike for years, I bought a Bosch CX bike. I couldn't live with the over-run, specially with changing gears up steep hills. I've always half-power-stroked the pedals when changing gears and the Bosch would just crunch the gears because the motor would still have power after I'd let off. I've gone back to a Yamaha bike.

@Zetler Год назад

Meanwhile some people literally can not live without that Bosch overrun.

@boblatkey7160 Год назад

That's why I love my Brose with specialized because I can adjust all that in the app so I get it just the way I want it.

@mattcardarelli 10 месяцев назад

As an interested buyer. What are some of the brand options if you go with Yamaha?

@ulgn1964 Год назад

The fun stuff with ebikes is the power, riding in the forest with max power is like riding a motorbike, i have a specialized turbo levo with 700w battery, its so fun to ride, tested the light sl vetsion but it's no fun at all, better to have one regular mtb without electricity then buying a light version that only gives you liitle power.

@riteandleft Год назад

That's not really cycling though is it? you may as well get a motorbike scrambler and go even faster. Each to their own of course..

@ulgn1964 Год назад

@riteandleft You don't get any exercise with a motorbike, every time i ride I'm out for 3 hours or more, 40 to 50 miles with every type of terrains, lose sand, gravel, asphalt, step hills.

@johnbrown3951 Год назад

I wanted the Bosch CX on any bike but 1st choice a Trek but on reflection after riding on both that and the Yamaha PW-X3 I plumped for the Haibike Nduro 6 with the Yamaha as I felt that for not much more money I got more of what I wanted i.e. the package and the colour mattered a lot and so far no regrets and it has just had it's 1st service. Love it..

@nultianeks Год назад

What big portfolio? There's Cx and now Sx, you probably don't want the 'race edition'.

@garrystr Год назад

What about over the limiter? My Bosch CX is a bit draggy over the limiter.

@scottamolinari Год назад

CX for sure!!! I'm just too old to have to worry about may pace going up a hill. I need the power up front. This is almost like the discussion of low torque band two cylinder against high torque band 4 cylinder motorcycle discussion.

@danielcedolin2034 Год назад

Wouldn’t it have just been better to offer the full power motor with a 400 watt battery and a 250 range extender .80 percent of rides are under 2.5 hours so 400 watt is enough on a light 20kg bike. . Big weekends on the bike plug the range extender in . Job done

@1barnet1 Год назад

It's possible to drain that 400watt battery under 2 hours. Just put it on turbo and go up the 2000m of elevation. It's also possible to ride 6 hours on flat sections without using any battery at all. If you can keep it above 25kph on the flat with your own legs. It's really hard to predict battery life for the customer as it varies a LOT with terrain.

@alfredo6083 8 месяцев назад

This concept is very interesting and I think that in 2024 there will be e-bike models with these characteristics.

@klaymoon1 Год назад

The new Bosch motor looks nice. Now, please release an internal gear housing automatic shift please, Bosch!

@user-rv4mq3xv3p Год назад

Jings, think I'll stick with my old Gen 3 CX.... the weight difference isn't worth it and here in the Cairngorms need all the grunt and battery I can get lol

@lakaldrak Год назад

There is No gen3 cx. ITS Gen 2 cx.

@user-rv4mq3xv3p Год назад

@@lakaldrak whatever...

@lakaldrak Год назад

@@user-rv4mq3xv3p U should thank me. Stay dumb Then 👍

@haribouss Год назад

Motor is almost as light as other lightweight motors, but definitively larger. It looks quite a lot like the CX. Too bad for integration it would have been the perfect system otherwise

@Echoes- Год назад

Yeah, the emtb-light segment are mostly for people who are ashamed of riding an emtb, so it's all about optics, need to look like a regular xc bike.

@CurvedSlightly Год назад

Aww, man. This reminds me of that time I was riding with Steve Peet, waiting for him at the end of the run as I'm so fast, as he approached me, I'll never forget it, he said, "Who the fcuk are you and why have you been waitng at the bottom of the run on the poduium for the last hour, this is a restricted area for pros in the race, only!" we all (Rob Weiner, Will Longdon, 'Mad' Matt Furmer, we all just fell about the place, well I did anyway becasue they were filling me in whilst being simultaneously arrested, great times with my mate Steve!

@CurvedSlightly Год назад

Wow! You know Steve Peet?!

@CurvedSlightly Год назад

Yup!

@manicmods Год назад

That is one beautiful bike! Bosch is on top of their game. I just released a Voilamart 1500w review and mod video, and loving the algo feeding me even more inspirations!

@kurt9609 Год назад

After 2,000 miles of loaded touring and trails with my 50nm Active Line Plus equipped bike, I was talking myself into needing just a little more power. Performance Line ..probably not CX. However, after reviewing my data I used Tour mode the most and only 1% in Turbo (for steep hills). I hope brands that spec this motor are more affordable than the big "S" (and others) especially with the smaller battery.

@kevinmortimer1883 Год назад

full power. go big or go home. these 'lite' versions usually involve adding many zeros to the price

@sic04250f Год назад

True, some lite bikes have eye watering pricetags.

@whitest_kyle Год назад

Wondering if TQ will be releasing a higher wattage version, I've got the Fuel EXe and I love it but it could certainly use a few more watts and I wouldn't complain lol

@tone351998 Год назад

that would be great!

@powerappleapple2500 Год назад

Hormonic gearing system has physical limitation which is the low gearing ratio at a fixed size diameter of gear

@neilelliston Год назад

How's it pedal past the limiter?

@hansalards9758 Год назад

Nice words, but this all is behind the real facts. I have modified a Performance CX GEN2. This motor has 150+ Nm, 60 km/h. until 35 km/h without paddling (If you want)

@Alex-md6bu Год назад

600w motor 400wh battery so you can climb at peak power for a full 40 mins….. if you’re going to do the whole lightweight think it’s gotta be useable….

@stephenhossack4390 Год назад

What about the pinion smartshify mgu also released this week @ embtech?

@embn Год назад

We have a look at that in our latest Eurobike video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MDV5HSgRByk.html

@amarmrad1286 Год назад

By tires we have some ref .. about sizes ..2.8. Or 1.9.. etc. Whats about the tongues if a . Leakers ... no matter what comes leaking is on !! Doesn't hurt your tongues ???

@VovanCBR Год назад

what is the total weight of this bike? comparing to Orbea RIse EP8rs 60Nm 360WH batt and weight 18kg

@russellzauner Год назад

Need to put this against the HPR50, for sure!

@daniellawrence9345 Год назад

What's the SX bike?

@user-rv4mq3xv3p Год назад

"E-MTB Lite"....Get that Dylan Mulvaney to advertise it lol😂😂😂

@ebutuoy8272 Год назад

Cadence of 120 to get that sweet spot on the motor, no thanks

@RadoslawAdamStachnik Год назад

CX❤

@tromansn Год назад

Will they need to be replaced once a month like the bosch motors on the cubes 😂

@wgnwheels333 Год назад

I think 300 watts of power for e mountain bikes is max in new zealand but not 100 percent sure,stiil think the orbea rise would be my first choice

@aidanoconnor7299 Год назад

In the EU we're limited to 250 watts of continuous power and this motor is compliant as the numbers they're giving are peak power that it can sustain only for a short period of time. If the power limits in NZ follow the same logic then this will be fine.

@glennmorgan8691 Год назад

@@aidanoconnor7299 Same here in Canada nominal(continuous)250 watts.I've heard the gen4 cx puts out 650 peak watts so 50watts more but yet 30nm more torque doesn't make sense to me?

@aidanoconnor7299 Год назад

@@glennmorgan8691 torque is all about the length of your shaft! Hey no laughing back there! So making the unit smaller probably means a loss of torque.

@wgnwheels333 Год назад

@@aidanoconnor7299 ok will check on that

@boblatkey7160 Год назад

Yes but you have to be able to speak about nominal power versus peak power.

@tone351998 Год назад

TQ vs BOSCH.... I love it

@joebot2127 Год назад

Wait... You're at Grosser Feldberg? Thats my riding area!

@hfuffvnjvnijd8989 Год назад

what about pricing? i live in The Netherlands, so more flat single tracks.. A SX in a hardtail would maybe be more affordable?

@gedrot2486 Год назад

Sadly "light e-MTB" up to this point meant light weight and high end components on a full suspension carbon frame to get the overall weight low enough to actually be impressive. I would love to see a proper trail hardtail with a light motor + battery on an aluminum frame but I don't think we're going to get one, since the makeup of such a bike would push it well outside the price range where a large enough number people would even consider buying a hardtail. But maybe, just maybe, since Bosch can push out bigger unit numbers then Fazua, TQ, etc., there might now be an actual chance of us getting more affordable e-hardtails that are on par with modern trail HT offerings. Even if they end up being 1k-2k more expensive then necessary due to manufacturers feeling the need to make them carbon. Just please don't let it be a bloody XC hardtail please.

@robstoeckel353 Год назад

New Bosch advert on Embn 😢😢😢, how about actually reviewing the product and having an opinion rather than reading the brochure?

@daniellawrence9345 Год назад

Because that's not what the channel is and they don't hide it either

@robstoeckel353 Год назад

@daniellawrence9345 sure but a brief analysis before an in-depth side by side comparison would be useful to understand the differences.

@vrhkrv4696 Год назад

Nice video... anyway time for some Pinion

@MYMOUNTAIN_122 Год назад

Great to see Bosch have a SL option that's half decent, and the same peak as the performance line impressive, and those Sqlabs saddles are one of the most comfortable once your use to it.

@CurvedSlightly Год назад

BMW driver? Bet you ride Specialised?

@MYMOUNTAIN_122 Год назад

@@CurvedSlightly lol not a chance mate I'm poor can't afford that level mate 😂

@CurvedSlightly Год назад

@@MYMOUNTAIN_122 Then don't become a wanker.

@romero424 Год назад

We need to test it 😊

@wharfeego Год назад

Is the bike you tested available?

@tjeers3098 Год назад

Great Ad.

@vidibites Год назад

Do you know which bikes will come with this new motor?

@mamadjun Год назад

CX for me.

@royromero8496 Год назад

I WANT 110 NEWTON METER MOTORS MORE AVAILABLE WITH LONGER RANGE A 2-3 LBS MORE DOES NOT MATTER TO ME.

@Fereday Год назад

What is the name of the maroon sx bike? thanks

@Fever_jl Год назад

Anyone who can explain how 600W is a good thing for 55nm? As there are many many 250w options out there that already do 80+nm... Isn't this a step backwards? As nm is the force / power output u get... And the wattage is the consumption? Or am I totally going/thinking wrong here?

@1barnet1 Год назад

The Shimano EP8 and Bosch CX both do 500-600w peak. But european regulations limit their constant power output to 250w. More 85nm at 600 watts mean they can deliver more power at lower cadence. So the SX requires you to pedal at an higher cadence in order for it to be able to maximize it's power output. That is a downside in technical uphill sections. But can be circumvented with better gearing and better gear selection from the rider. In the end the power output is the same. So if you'd pick an lower gear it will go up just as fast. As shown in the video when he was pedaling at 120+.

@gergelygabor2023 9 месяцев назад

@@1barnet1peak power of Bosch CX 4th gen can be 800-850 watts. So 600 for the smaller unit is quite okay.

@1barnet1 9 месяцев назад

@@gergelygabor2023 things are progressing so fast in E-bike land.

@stevebarrow5789 Год назад

Nah! Give me the torque. I'll stick with the CX thanks.

@RisseK1 Год назад

Yeah keep making them lighter. I'd love if my $4k bike's motor to blow up easier.

@yaboobaker Год назад

Scott patron 900, cx

@theflowpowa42oshow Год назад

It doesn't matter how light you are if you ain't first you last

@michalwiktorow2188 Год назад

Descending .. yeeee with e-ABS where is it ? huh... hardware is there.

@ruralridez6165 Год назад

after watching this video definetly cx.

@thomasjearson3193 Год назад

Cx will be better, when is gen5 coming?

@Echoes- Год назад

The Bosch CX Smart System are already class leader and released like last year, there is no reason for them to release a new one when the competition are way behind.

@thewrx2600 Год назад

lets play guess the bike brand....

@riteandleft Год назад

I always 'spin' anyway be it riding my CX MTB or normal MTB. That's what proper cyclists do, spin. These people riding ebikes in turbo mode and peddling with a cadence of 30 are fools to themselves in many ways. They're not getting fitter, they're using battery power and they're straining and wearing out the drivetrain and the motor. Spin! on all ebikes, the power response and torque is better when you spin! You wouldn't expect your car to spin wheels at 30mph in 5th gear would you? nope, you need revs! Spin!

@vashon100 4 месяца назад

pedaling vs peddling

@islandaerial3414 Год назад

Send one out to me. I'll burned it out in short order...

@KITTER298 Год назад

Oh yay, another motor that isn't user serviceable. Cool.

@alexanderscott2567 Год назад

I want a motor you can fix with a hammer and a bigger hammer.

@IchimokuCloud Год назад

High energy density and low weight. Ah so.

@K1989L Год назад

Skip the first 8 min of the video. Just a lot of talking 💩 Then they actually start riding it.

@callumcoxon Год назад

Notice the wheel rim magnet, all the new smart system by Bosch are coming with this, that means no tuning by chips ect, nearly everyone I know that rides the trails has their bike derestricted, I can see many people not buying these bikes once they know it can’t be ridden on the trails at the same speed as all their friends, looks like my current Bosch powered bike will be my last 😢

@texfromro Год назад

why people are derestricting their ebikes?

@douglaskaye1395 Год назад

Riding a derestricted bike is just more fun. The 19.99mph limit is easily reached and then your dragged 50 lbs of weight. I’ve pedaled on flats at 27 mph roadie analog bikes are going 30+mph with no restrictions. How much sense does restrictions on a trail bike make anyhow?

@MrMirfaelltnixein Год назад

...and if you got caught you lost the licence of your bike-motorsystem and thousands of Euro´s is trash. And you have to pay civil penalty

@callumcoxon Год назад

@@texfromro because the uk limit is only 15mph, some of these bikes cost well over £7k, would you pay all that money to be going slower than some kid on a bmx, I think not I’m not up for debating the whys and why nots, I’m clearly stating that nearly all the people riding trails in the are doing so derestricted because it’s 15mph is far too slow, if the new smart system now must have rim magnets that’s can’t be derestricted I’m not buying one that’s all, especially when forking out that sort of money

@texfromro Год назад

@@callumcoxon im asking because i have an ebike and i know probably 20 people that have ebikes and none of them derestricted their bikes. In the last 3 years i did like 6000km on mountainous terrain and i never felt the need of more speed from my motor. And no.. a kid on a bmx will never reach 30kph constantly which i can do with not much effort on paved roads with my ebike even with my very chunky and sticky tires...

@rezenclowd3 Год назад

Bosh still disappoints with the controller and "display". Specialized still has the win..... Motor size still seems too large as well.

@007kanatan Год назад

Still reliable compare to shimano

@waynegiles9320 Год назад

My old legs are happy with the CX motor 👍

@leonparadiz3866 Год назад

@@007kanatanand compared to specialized also more reliable.

@Echoes- Год назад

The new system controller for the Bosch Smart looks almost exactly like the Specialized though?

@rezenclowd3 Год назад

@@Echoes- no its much too large and still fragile

@asifitmatters1 Год назад

Sorry gents, but there is absolutely ZERO innovation here. This is about as much a game changer as the introduction of the square plate was to the dining experience.