New golf clubs a WASTE of money? ZERO motivation for golf, HATE LIV Golf? EP151 

0:00 - 2:42 Intro 2:45 - 16:31 Are new golf clubs a WASTE of money? 16:33 - 22:58 Tour Golf is HARD! 29:18 - 39:36 Should golf pros earn more money? 39:40 - 44:16 FASTEST Clubhouse member! 44:51 - 47:24 AMAZING hole-in-one 47:25 - 52:47 Very ANGRY viewer emails us 53:31 - 54:07 Does Guy HATE LIV Golf? 57:59 - 1:02:27 Guy CHEATED at golf 1:02:31 - 1:09:49 How to get MOTIVATED to practice golf!

Love the banter, the improv! Guy is actually a very talented speaker! Effortlessly eloquent and quick!!

With the topic of 2nd hand golf on the pod becoming more frequent... feel like a colab with Simon from SAS golf would be a great edition of the pod and then something on your channel doing something with 2nd hand golf clubs would be great

We used to test golf clubs, especially Drivers by taking them on to the course in the 90s pre launch monitors. It very quickly became apparent that no driver stopped you hitting a slice, hook or top. I remember Mr Ryan putting tape on to the top of the club to stop sky marks 🤣🤣🤣 Happy days 👍

Top presenting, story-telling and conversational rapport from Guy. Great podcast as per, love it guys!

What’s funny is I used to change clubs every other year. Now I look for retro clubs and just go back to my older sets to mix and match my bag. This I have found gives me the best bag for my ability without forking out loads of money every 12 or 18 months. Currently play - Epic Flash driver with a 43” shaft, Srixon 5 wood, Ping G425 22 Hybrid, Callaway Stealhead XR 5, 6 and 7 irons, Mizuno MP18SC 8, 9, P, Taylormade Grind wedges and a 5 year old V line putter. Mix of Jumbo grips and midsize. Suits me and keeps me in love with game! Love the channel gents, keep it coming.

Had to download a British slang dictionary. Had never heard "numpty" before today. Love all y'all's content. Always informative and entertaining.

Something I have thought about Tiger for a long time now: he was soooo good at taking the new tech in clubs, which exploded in the mid 90's, and using them to make shots no one had ever seen before. He was absolutely brilliant, a technical artist even, at exploiting the new technology which defined club making in that era. Someone like Tiger can make the most of every new tweek club makers are coming up with, but that is beyond most of us! Great segment, guys. Keep up the great content. Something I would love to see is more talk about the ladies tours. Their golf is different from the men's game and I would love to see you get a guest on to talk about that. Also, I see it changing a bit with some of the youngsters coming up. Their swings are starting to look more similar to what I see from men. Steeper angles of attack in irons and more aggressive driver swings which will lead to average distances rising. Thanks!!

New clubs for me have minimal changes from previous years. But it does one thing gets me excited to play a little bit more. It might even be psychological of getting rid of the old driver that is marked with sky ball mark or paint scratch.

If you're playing a lot of golf, you're going to wear down the grooves on your irons (and especially your wedges) eventually and will need to upgrade... Here's a Driver anecdote for you to compare to the one Guy told. I have a first gen Taylor Made Rocketballz driver (came out in 2012). My driver swing speed hovers around 110 and I hit that driver on average 265 yards carry. pure strikes I can push 275, mishits can be 240-250. I went to get fitted for the new TSR3, same club head speed and was averaging 280+ with pure hits reaching 300 carry. Also the TSR was producing more consistent strikes, I had a series of 3 hits all land within 5 yards of each other where the Rocketballz was extremely inconsistent with the direction.

Great pod video as always. I really appreciate the time stamps! Super handy when I accidentally back out of the video , and need to find the spot where I was when I jumped out.

Lads have a hole in one story. I am new to golf this year haven’t played nearly as much as I’d like to get better and I’m currently off 26.2. A few weeks ago I went out for nine holes after work on my own in a buggy which I have done a couple of times. Was playing really well and nailing my m6 which I was using for the first time. I made par on index 1 16th and then tee’d it up on the par 3 17th. No practice swing or anything like I’d usually do an over think things just hit the purest 6 iron I’ve ever hit. It took one bounce and kicked slightly left and straight in. Stood alone I felt sick that this had happened on my own !! No reaction I just drove up took a pic got the ball and text my wife and my best mate. I haven’t told anyone else as if someone of my level told me they’d a hole in one alone I’d be like I’m sure you did mate😂 I’m still upset about it every time I think about it

I think getting a fitting is 100% worth it, mainly for the shafts and angles (which IMO are the most important bits) more than just getting new clubs, but once you're fitted there is no point changing until they have seen better days. I had my old clubs for 9 years, and got fitted for a set 2 years ago. Before I always used to look at newer and "better" clubs, but I don't even look at clubs now because I know mine are fitted for me.

I rented an hour on a GC Quad to test out the ball speed on my driver collection. After testing drivers made from 2002 to 2013 (Titleist 975 J-VS to a Taylormade R1) and everything in between, the ball speed was within 2 MPH of each other.

I got a new set of clubs this year. Everything new from lob to driver. Got fitted and definitely play better as a result. However, I won't even be looking at new equipment for 10+ years. My old clubs were good but not as forgiving as I needed.

As an American I appreciate the fact you speak the word amateur correctly. Thank you, it’s for that reason only I became a subscriber. In all seriousness you two bring an absolutely fantastic podcast.

I recently bought a set of golf clubs from an old friend who passed away. Since getting them I’ve played or practiced 8-160-290 balls every day. The clubs totally clicked every switched in my brain about golf. Seeing shots mentally instead of outcome play, dropped 20 or more shots in just several months. The bulk of the set is adams v3 wedges and low irons, 4,5,6 hybrids and Taylor superburner 9.5 driver and 3 wood. I kept my callaway 3 and 4 power stroke irons and putter. Not sure how they rank, but for me these clubs made all the difference. Fascinating to think about the level of skill of the pros.

Great podcast. Whilst I love the banter and the golf stories, particularly the chat about old golf clubs taking you back to your youth, the thing that really made me laugh was......the word bifter! Not heard that for years 😂. Brought back a fair few memories, including the absolutely honking Dunlop Loco Crazy Long driver I had with the yellow shaft back in the day! 🤣

I’ll counter the point of new clubs don’t make a big difference. I think if it’s apples to apples comparison (loft, shaft, etc.) I agree. However going from cavity back irons to forged, or regular flex 12 degree shaft to stiff 9 degree can make a huge difference! Long story short, pay for a fitting then take those specs and buy used clubs that fit your game ⛳️

I got a golf set when I was 15 from my parents and used it till I was 25. Got a new set for my 35th and the 3 wood was as big as my old driver. They aren't kidding that the drivers have gotten so much bigger, it's a trip.

I’ve gotten new (fitted) irons two years ago and went from a very traditional 47* pitching wedge to a modern traditional 46* pitching wedge. Granted I’ve worked on my swing but I’ve picked up nearly 20 meters distance and the difference was instant. Srixon zx-7’s are worth a go. That worked for me for what that’s what worth. Only crappy thing was I needed new wedges for gapping😅

Rick and Guy, the match play stories and tips gave me a good laugh! Nice one! I think the give putts early, but not later is a solid tip!

Very valid question and very well answered by Rick's with no commercial agenda. 👏

Great episode guys! I'm always curious about new tech. I'm still hitting Ping Eye 2 green dots from around the early 90s, and I tell myself that until I can't consistently shoot sub 80 (I'm in the high 80s now), there's no need to upgrade. Probably could shave a few strokes here and there with new tech/grooves, but I feel like my money is better spent on practice and lessons.

One of my favourite golf experiences, a little like Rick's want for getting back to a relaxing Par 3, is to just spend a couple of hours early in the morning chipping and pitching around the practise green. It really clears the head, and just gets you back to you the ball and a target.

Recently got fitted for the first time, the main value was getting shafts that match my release. Especially in my driver. Now that I have that set though I doubt any new equipment will be worth changing to for a long time.

I was a member at Crosland Heath for a few years and Chris Hanson was there as a junior and turned pro just before i left. He put in so much effort with his game and was an amazing player and a really nice guy to play golf with. It’s a shame he didn’t manage to keep his card. Was good to hear that he’s trying again. Good luck Chris if you’re reading this!

I love it when someone looks into my bag to see what I'm playing with. Driver= Titleist 910 D3, Fairway woods= Callaway Warbird 3+ & 5, Irons= Ping Isi-K 3-L, Putter= Ping Anser. The looks I get. Get told I need to update, but hcp sits from Scr to 2. I know what they do, so I will stick with them.

44:51 That hole-in-one was at Big Sky in Pemberton BC. I love that place. I've only played there once. I played it on the last day of my bachelor party (i.e. totally exhausted), I had a 4 hour drive through the mountains home looming after the round (i.e. anxious), and shot a 97 (very bad for me)... and I STILL absolutely love that golf course! An absolute must if you're ever in the Vancouver/Whistler/Pemberton area.

The newest clubs in my bag are my Mizuno ST-190 driver, a PXG 0211 DC 60°, and a Cleveland RTX 4.0 56°. Everything else is older Adams stuff. CB1 irons 4-GW, Tight Lies 3 wood and 5 wood, Speedline 22° Hybrid. They're as good as just about anything on market today. LOVE LOVE LOVE Adams gear!

Very true on the memories. My Dad introduced me to golf and at the time was playing all Hogan's, Apex I believe and I can still see them in his bag. He had Hogan woods as well with the "speed slot". He would have been 85 in August so in his honor I picked up a full set of 1973 Apex irons and woods. Played 9 holes at my local course, shot 40 and hit a drive 266 yds with a 50 year old drive, clubs or the man? Or maybe some divine help ;-)

The point on getting fit after a few rounds of golf was exactly what I did with my current set. I played with a friend of mine who is a scratch handicap but also a club fitter and overtime he tracked my shots and results for a few round then went to the bay to get fitted with a good picture of my game in mind.

I love these podcasts, it like sitting back with 2 mates just chatting about our interests...

The product placement in the fall back in love with golf was hilarious.

Guy, I have the same story with Taylormade 2 hybrid that I got as a birthday gift from my girl, I kept it in the bag for 12 years. In 2021 it finally broke me on the 2nd shot from 210 yards on #12 a par 5, after I mishit it one more time I threw it across the fairway as far as I could and drove off. I was coming up #15 which is parallel to #12 when a guy drove up and said did you leave a 2 hybrid, I gave him the head cover and drove off. Best decision of my life on the golf course.

This was a great episode! Laughed my head off several times. Love the story about your latest unsubscriber 😂

i think the difference now is perhaps getting proper fittings are more reliable and available. Combinations of different shafts, heads proportion to your swing can improve consistency, dispersion and feel which translate to confidence. i think that is the difference.

I've bought two new sets since I started playing close to 15-20 years now. Cobra hybrid set as my first learner set and just a little over a year ago bought Ping G425 irons, Callaway woods and Wilson wedges. This year I changed out my putter for one that better suits my putting stroke. The goal was to buy a set that will last for a long time and are more than capable of keeping up as I continue to lower my HC.

I’m a pretty high level golfer, but I play on the amateur level. When it comes to not making enough money, I think anyone who wants to compete locally, the competition is enough. Prizes are nice but not the reason I play. For local pro events, I understand people complaining about not making enough money, but we run into the women’s soccer conundrum of what is something worth to the world compared to an individual

Just upgraded from my TM burner 420 (02’) to the titleist TS2. Got the TS2 for $120 on eBay in mint condition. If you keep checking eBay you can find some amazing deals. Love the content Rick.

Id like to see a retro review on the best clubs from the past 15 years that would still be good today. Covering from driver to putter. You see some players on the pga and lpga that still game clubs like the titleist ap2 and ping g400. I think alot of people will relate to it. Also has rick ever tried the 2014 ping rapture 3 wood (13deg)?

New irons offer decreased lofts and latest design. We buy them for fashion. Drivers can be a bit more consumable depending on whether or not it was damaged before. Im still playing my Ping Eye2s and Anser putter. I do have a Sim2 Max driver though, it replaced a Ping i20 driver.

You guys are fantastic. Great stories

Very good answer to Ricks question regarding prize money. I agree 100%. Its like playing loto, ether take a chance or don’t. But don’t complain afterwards about it

I just back into golf after a nearly 15 year absence and I decided to buy myself a Taylormade RBZ 5 wood second hand before playing my second round of golf since retirning. I teed it up on the first tee at my local public course having never hit it before and hit a lovely fade up the left of the fairway that drifting right into the middle of the fairway and bounded on 231 yards. Couldn't have felt better in that moment. Walked away from the first hole with a par - then ended up with a triple on the Par 4 S.I 1 2nd hole. But that's golf for you. The club itself performed tremendously and felt so comfortable to use compared to the early 2000s hand me downs I still had from my junior days. I do think that pretty much any clubs from the past 10+ years are equally good though I'm planning on buying a early 2010s driver, hybrid and then an Odessey Putter to round out my bag. And certaintly for around £50 a club I think second hand is worth it for any golfer coming into the game fresh after a long absence. Stuff from 2012 onwards still looks ridiculously new and futuristic to me in a really good way.

Had a £5 wilson driver from a 2nd hand bin, finally figured it out and was hitting pretty consistently. So thought id splash out on a callaway epic flash and now i cant hit driver to save my life

YES! I like to buy used. But its easier to change up the shafts now so I can change the shafts more than the heads. And I can mix all my shafts with all TM products. For me the shafts being changeable are the game changer.

I recently went from a callaway XR driver stiff shaft to a Stealth+ extra stiff, easily added 20-30 yards! Huge difference

Genuinely one of my favourite podcasts! 😂😂😂

Matt slacking this morning, had to wait a few hours for this one😊. Just teasing bud you always do a great job editing these.

I took golf up again and kept my ping G2 (2006) for a while and upgraded to a new one. Not a massive difference other than the shaft change from stiff to X flex. The G2 is still a great driver.

I just have my R9 460 (and Callaway Big Bertha War Bird 12 degree) in the bag. As I get older I don't need more distance, I need better vision to see where the ball went.

Excellent debate about new verse old clubs. Honestly, I buy golf clubs when my old one’s start to look scratched and worn out not because I feel I’m missing out on performance. I think that says it all at least for an amateur golfer like me. 👍🏾

Funny that you went to reminiscing about old clubs and mentioned half my bag. Sumo sq driver and RAC LT irons. The irons are a dream

Bit of very recent experience and something that was not mentioned on the show: the old clubs might still work but they might have degraded over time. Case in point: the shafts in my 14 year old set (irons as well as hybrids / woods) had become very stiff. After having them measured it turned out I was playing between x-flex in my irons to something that was described as “off the normal scale stiff” in my 3 wood. I actually need regular flex. After testing (and then buying) the Ping G425 irons with the the R-flex Alta shafts (tipped and frequency matched) my dispersion was much tighter and I gained significant distance. While the driver was still OK from a technical standpoint (that shaft had not degraded that much) the difference between the Big Bertha 460 and the Rogue ST Max was about 25 yards for me. End result: handicap 37 down to 24 within 5 months.

This was the best one yet! Lots of good stuff!!!

Started golfing this year and I have a Titlist 983k! I was planning on getting fitted for a new driver in October since it is my oldest club. Second guessing that now! Might keep it a bit longer.

Hi guys I've just bought a new driver after testing the Callaway rogue finding I'm hitting it 25 to 30 yards further admittedly gone from a 10 and 1/2 degree driver to a 9 degree and my dispersion is very minimal never realised how the technology has moved on and the face is more forgiving this allows me to reach long par fours its the first time I have never paid for a new driver but can't believe the difference it as made to my game .Great contents guys love the podcasts 👏👏👏👏👏⛳

I got a new mixed bag of wedges this past summer & noticeable improvement. Still using Hogan FtWorth irons & Epic woods. Invest in new golf balls!

Here's a thought, based both on observation and personal experience: the obsessing over new clubs, trackman data etc etc all comes from not getting out on the course enough. It comes from being stuck behind a computer or only being able to hit the range instead of teeing off, and trying to get that ball into the hole is a few shots as possible. Every time I play, I forget all about getting new clubs. Well...I do need a new driver haha

Interesting anecdote about clubs bringing back memories for others: I swapped last year from my dad's old wilson's from the 80s to a set of Ben Hogan Apex Edge's from early 00's. As a result, I've had so many comments on the clubs, either from people who hadn't seen them for a while or who used to play and love the clubs (and even miss them). These comments coming from random playing partners to my golf coach or random people on the range as well

I still use my ping i3+ irons with Cleveland cg15 wedges cobra driver & hybrid with the Taylor Made Rossa Monza putter they are years old & I wouldn’t change them at all they work for me

I’ve just been gifted a Taylormade R11S Driver and am loving the sound it makes at impact and the fact that I’m driving further.

I recognized the golf course from the Green Noodle story! That's Big Sky in Pemberton BC, Canada. What a marvelous place.

I still have the following drivers R7 super quad R9 super quad R11s R15 Not one bit of different in distance. M1 M3 M5 Sim Max Sim Max 2 All used with Tour ad di 7x shaft no difference in length The only difference was the move from M5 to Sim Max was slightly straighter drives . From my R11’s PB to Sim Max PB is about 10 yards on average no difference at all , I’m just a slave to advertising lol 😂 😂

47:55 that look Guy gives the camera 😂 Michael Scott-esque

Common Rick & Guy W, love the podcast! Cheers from Canada!

Love The Dukes, great course and very friendly staff

My driver is a Cleveland Hibor from the early 2000s. It has the recessed top and i love the funky look.

At about or maybe a bit before time stamp 13:47 you mention a type of fitting where it measures your entire bag as you play a round of golf. thats a great idea that maybe could be incorporated with cobra connect and a shot tracer or something. Anyways it sounds like a million dollar idea rick, love the videos and club reviews especially :D have a great day!

Re Cole Donovan - Mount Currie is in British Columbia .. I think he was at the Big Sky golf club. Spectacular scenery.

Only clubs I’ve bought new in my bag are the wedges. I got a set of 718 CBs second hand, second hand TS3, And two taylor made R9 fairway woods. Love all of them.

Didn't play for about 10 years, so 2 years ago when I started playing again I bought a packaged set of Callaway Warbirds from AG. I sacrificed distance for forgiveness. I now feel that I need to buy new clubs to improve my game. I'm not much shorter than friends with much better clubs, and i'm always competitive, but still feel compelled to spend a daft amount of cash. Probably should save my money 🤔 great episode btw 👍

I just updated my set. My previous set was made in the late 80's and was a Fuzzy Zoeller Power Bilt set. Obviously the technology of golf clubs has made leaps and bounds since then. So for me, replacing the set made a lot of sense. But would I replace a set of near top-of-the-line clubs for the latest and greatest that was less than 10 years separated from my existing set? Nope. I don't play well enough to make it worth it and frankly Rick has proved the case as he has hit pretty much the same head and ball speed at 280 on a good day over the last 3 or 4 drivers he has had in the bag.

Curious topic. I'm playing a 15-year-old Callaway FT5 and Adams IDEA A4 irons. I'm just as crap now as I was when I bought them, but at the range and on the course, I hit my 8 iron 155 and carry my driver 260 if I hit it well. If I don't, it's in another area code. I went to a fitting day for a major brand, and with their latest and greatest game improvement voodoo and fiddly bits, I hit the 8 iron 155 and carried the driver 260, demonstrating that a well-struck ball was about the same and I can mishit anybody's new tech. Nice to have shiny things, though.

I purchased my first set of irons back in 91-92, Taylor Made ICW5 irons. They are blades. I learned to hit them over the year with a pro in Miami, ended up being about a HDCP of 12-14. As nicer clubs came out i made a couple purchases and always ended up going back to my blades. To this day 2022 I still swing those irons and hit them just as good as anyone out there hitting todays Irons.

I have Calloway Forged X (2007) Irons and a Taylormade R11 Driver and Three wood. Both over 10 years old but they still get the job done!!!

Loved how the advert for the film ‘Air’ came on at the moment you said Nike when I was watching this 😁

Rick proved this point with his video series of drivers over a 5 year period. Generally, the differences were minimal. Might be time for another series of videos comparing drivers over a 10 year period.

Subscribed to both.

What’s degree wedge would you recommend to an amateur with less than a years experience. I have 60 degree and pitching wedge so looking to get something less lofted.

Accidentally purchased graphite shafts as my first set of clubs, only realised how much difference there is when i used my friends iron last week because i couldnt be bothered going to my bag....what are your thoughts on graphite shafts and any chance or a video v traditional irons!?? Love the shows, LL

I have mizuno mp30s from 2004. I have the distances locked in, but maybe these arent the clubs i should be playing anymore? Should i make a switch?

New clubs V old clubs. I just built my teenage son a set for £310, I for fun I swapped with his bag too out and broke 80 to show him what he has.. Used wedge sett £60, Adams Blues 6-PW £70 , Odyssey 2 Ball Putter £20!, 5 Hybrid MD ST20 £25, (7 wood , 3 wood and driver XR16 £100) , Mottocaddy Waterproof cart bag £30, waterproof zip to fit ball pocket £5. I cannot see 5-10 yards difference between them and my 2021 bag, SIM2 set up. which cost 5-6 times more.

Rick as an average hcap playing around 17hcap as I don't play regularly enough. Two weeks ago shot my lowest score of 10hcap but i feel wedges around the green can be better. Does they type of wedge matter. I know Vokeys are the number 1 but pricey. Can you recommend wedges that maybe better. My goal for next year is to be more consistent and be around 10hcap dropping 7 shots which I know I can do

I have the same r9 driver and r7 woods and rsi1 ions and love them all and they suit my game as a 18 handicap all eBay and FB buys about £300 all in use to have the r7 did see a improvement going between. At the time of getting the r9 the r11 was out hit it a couple of time didn’t get on stuck with the r9 ever since

Still using same clubs from 2008-2010. Only recent addition was callaway Diablo octane 3 wood. I just can't get away from my Taylormade R7 Draw just works and feels right in the hands

I have an 07 set of Nike CCI irons and a Sasquatch driver and woods. I used to play a lot more and want to get back into golf. I have been debating buying a set of something more forgiving. Not sure what to do.

The Rick Shiels performance center is the name of Rick and Guy's new pub

I don't know about drivers, but I hit my titleist 712 mb's for ten years, got fitted for new sticks yesterday and it turns out they've lost plenty of pop. ball speed was noticeably down compared to the new ones on center strikes, so take that for what it's worth. I believe clubs can last a long time, but after 10 years I could notice the difference in pop quite easily.

I'm a Greenkeeper thats starting golf again, had a few years off the golf course work but back cutting and playing daily . Bought 2nd hand PXG proto 10.5 driver and put up against my old John Daily Wilson Firestick killer whale 1995 ish and the fire stick wins!!! Crazy just different weight noise . Also play with ping zing black ⚫ 1994 clubs. New grips perfect 👌

I would think a lot of the guys are playing these small tournaments for the love of the game. I don’t think they will ever stop but I could be wrong. Great podcast guys. Thank you.

I have a Question, a clubfitter told me that the drivers which come new to the market must past the test of the R&A I think but they test the clubs with a speed of 115 mph. So that means you get the best results at a clubhead speed from 115 mph or above. Who of the amateurs does really swing it that fast and isn’t it a disadvantage for all the golfers who swing it slower?

I have a 915d2 and I went to try the sim max 2 and the stealth last year and i couldn’t justify the price tag when my carry only went up about 5-7 yards. I still have my 915. Maybe this year I’ll get fitted for the titileist TSR and see what happens

I have a Callaway Big Bertha Fusion bought used... new grip on it... I am into it for 135 USD..... on rainy days I will go to Golf Galaxy and hit the new Drivers..... I haven't hit a $300, $400, $500+ that is incrementally better...I hit the ball far enough (relative to my age, hitting middle tee boxes) being in the fairway serves me just fine. Keeping that forgiving Fusion for the foreseeable future... I am going to continue to lift weights/jog/stretch/work on my core, my flexibility, working on my back flex.... this will keep my distance more so than a new driver IMO

I am considering new clubs... I have some ping G10's which I was custom fit for, but with a dodgy swing. no I believe that these are 2008 ish... is it worth upgrading?

I'm still playing a Titleist 910 D2 which I got fitted back in 2010/11. Love this club.. haven't tried the latest TSR but have tried newer models over the past few years but didn't see a significant improvement in distance that would warrant spending £400-£500.

I have a Titleist 915 D2 and hit it very well. Driver is the next club in my bag I should replace and with it being almost 8 years old, Do I replace it?!

Good to know. I found a used Adams Tight Lies 5 Wood at a Goodwill store for $8.00. As a beginner, it remains my best club to hit consistently. Love that thing. Yet, I was able to buy a Yonex Elite 2 blue brand new 3 wood, love it too, but struggle to hit it decently.

When you're talking about clubs and fitting in the first segment....aren't apps like Arrccos etc essentially like having that prescription?