New Guinea - lessons from a cradle of agriculture and languages 

and we will wait for whatever comes

you wouldn’t even need to upload a 19 minute video for us to forgive you, but you did

We missed you man, and we understand dont worry👍

It only mattered that you return, there is nothing that needs pardoning

I'm just happy you're back

Whew! And woohoo!

Yeah…it may be in the video (still at the beginning right now) but I’d heard this is the only place in the world to independently invent agriculture, as in, without influence from Mesopotamia, Mesoamerica, or civilizations that traded with them.

Agreed. If this is the direction NativLang is taking, I am so excited. Protecting the world's biodiversity and its cultural diversity go hand in hand.

@@dkuchtamaine Yea, totally! That's why I love ethnobotany.

@@nerysghemor5781 There's many different places that probably developed agriculture independently. These range from definitely independent (Mesopotamia, Mesoamerica) to most likely independent (Papua, West Africa, Indus Valley, China) to we don't know for sure if there was no outside influence (Nile River, Ethiopia, Eastern United States, Andes).

Hehe nice to see you here too! 😉

Congratulations!

Wait, he has other channels?

@@stojankovacic1524 Other RU-vidrs, not his other RU-vid channels

@@stojankovacic1524 "and others" refers to other linguistic channels run by other people.

I agree, great to have Nativlang back.

it must have been a humongous mission to write this video, geography now's video over new guinea even gave up naming the ethnicities of three quarters of that part of the island, too bad the algorithme only cares about channels with recent succeses.

absolutely. theres about 1,000 different ethnic groups in PNG each with their own languages

@@thvtsydneylyf3th077 and the dame amount in Western New Guinea, currently controlled by Indonesia

In Somali it's Moos. Ultimately from looking it up online I think it's probably Persian in origin.

@@003mohamud it comes originally from tng, then it was borrowed by dravidian via austronesian, then sanskrit and finally middle persian and then arabic borrowed it.

​@@69isamyth.50 ah well as Socrates used to say, "You can't believe everything on the internet"

In urdu its like maus

In Persian it's moz too

Someone's been watching for a while ~ and your count matches mine!

@@NativLang Yup. I've been watching since your first video on Mongolian.

i liked the hangul episode because i went thru the same process of creating a logical alphabet without knowing anything about korea,just as a childs game of writing in code

Do you miss it?

Not really

it’s amazing, the correlation between linguistic diversity and biodiversity!! Indigenous peoples really do know how best to live on this planet in many, many cases. no one people are perfect of course, but I think of all the hundreds of cultures that thrive without relying on the destruction of others.

for sure, theres this huge extinct volcano called Mount Bosavi in Niu Gini where they're found a bunch of new species of plants and animals

Friggin same lol

Yes same!

Hey! Funny seeing you here!

The word banana comes from the mande language, in west Africa, it was later popularized by the Portuguese and the Spanish in the late 16th century.

Didn't know that about the spice sultanates, thanks!

@@imokin86 You're welcome! You might get sucked into a long Wiki-rabbit hole haha

Is Ternate Tidore area using Papuan language as lingua franca? Because in western SEA side we use Melayu Pasar

Saluton 👀

belegan profilbildon vi havas ;)

@@frechjo uuu, esperanta konversacio ĉi tie

if you enjoy learning about these peoples and their genius ways of farming, i highly recommend Tending the Wild by M Kat Anderson, and incredible book about the lifeways of Indigenous peoples in what we know of now as California

@@user-nv5sn3tb4e thanks

Well, there is zero conflict between a monetary system, schools, electricity, science, roads, etc. and farmers. So the Papuans can have all of it.

I think it’s a bit deeper than that- their farms aren’t what most people around the world today think of as farms. our farms were once forests that were cut down, wetlands that were completely drained, or grasslands loosed and destroyed. their farms ARE the forests and the wetlands. they don’t destroy the ecosystems, they enhance them.

@@user-nv5sn3tb4e I don't know. I'm English, and there's _so_ much folklore about acorns that you've got to wonder whether our relationship with trees wasn't very different within the span of our stories, if not our histories. This “modern” view that distinguishes forests from the “made” landscape could be an aberration everywhere. Not that it's my field, just this excellent video making me think.

@@stephenspackman5573 your peoples' relationship with oaks is ancient and beautiful, you're right, but that aberration really is somewhat uniquely eurasian (from what I've found, anyway), because it kind of comes directly from mesopotamia, and then spread through that unique style of imperialism in concert with the abrahamic religions (especially christianity). most Indigenous people regardless of where they're from simply see the entire planet as home and as "made," just not the "made" that industrial peoples know. each Papuan nation is intimately shaping the landscape, they just do it with biodiversity (a recognition and profound love for our infinite living family) in mind, whereas our shaping is for humans only, and at times not even for all humans (like factories in poor neighborhoods making shit for the rich)

@тито I'm not in disagreement. I don't really like something like “Eurasian” here because it covers a lot of people I know nothing of, so I went with “‘modern’” in quotation marks of mild derision in the hope that people would intuit my meaning. But, anyway, yes-though if our species has not been responsible for other disasters in earlier times, I'll also be amazed. Not everyone is stupid, but nor does anyone have a true monopoly on being too “clever” for their own good.

I agree on this. I forget if NativLang referenced this on their Siberian video, but for sure I would like to see an independent video on this too. There's so much human migration tangents to explore in the topic. The Tlingit being an ancient offshoot, the more recent but impressive dispersal into the Southwest, the Pacific enclaves, and even a possible connection with Mongol Turkic hordes recorded in ancient Chinese sources.

@@atlasaltera Turks and mongols aren’t closely related to ancient Siberian peoples. In fact the Turks originated as a humble agricultural people somewhere in like the Manchuria region of China or so, before being adopting a nomadic lifestyle and expanding to the great heights they achieved.

@@Bundpataka Hm, I'm not sure where you're coming from. What I am referring to is not origins, but at the time of ancient Chinese contact. At that time, Turkic, Mongolic, and Yeneisi-speaking peoples lived in close proximity around the Altai-Lake Baikal range and were all written about in Chinese accounts on frontier wars and border raids. But now that you brought up origins... lol. Yes, you are right that some of the latest findings suggest that Turkic peoples originated in the Manchurian region. Still, Manchuria's traditional inhabitants would have all been historically considered related to Siberian peoples. The Tungusic, Nivkh...

Austronesian are advanced people, build large ship, famous with outrigger boat n ship, rices, taro, buffalo, architecture(houses, palaces, temple), writing script, farmer, textiles, metalwork, built city n fort

@@safuwanfauzi5014 Buffalo? Metalwork? Could you please elaborate?

@@maapauu4282 Austronesian like malay, Javanese, bugis, minangkabau, Balinese, makassarese. but not Papuan they naked, no metalwork, no big ship, no stone structure, no writing script, no architecture , no farming or rice Paddy field

@@maapauu4282 Mini Pompeii in java Island "situs liyangan" ancient city, big temple like Prambanan n Gunung Padang, in Micronesia famous with Nan madol non in Papua have all these

@@safuwanfauzi5014 But Buffalo are in North America... and Papuans have clothes, some metalwork, sailing ships, logographies, AND farming, in fact, half of this video is about Papuan farming techniques. The only reason that Papuan societies have limited tech compared to the continental societies and the bigger islands is the lack of recources.

It's not the "so called" United States. It's the United States.

@@qwertywillbecool literally the same thing

Tending the Wild by M Kat Anderson is about the similar genius of Indigenous peoples in so-called California, such incredible ways of living. “Buen vivir,” truly.

@@user-nv5sn3tb4e Can you please link the video or the source here? Thank you so much!

@@user-nv5sn3tb4e Can you also link a source to the song at 5:34 and 14:08? Thanks again!

It took lots of work 💦so thanks for sticking around to watch 😊 ❤

@@NativLang You have built a better mousetrap! Lol. Thank you!

@@NativLang Can you please please link the source of the song at 5:34 and 14:08?. I would very very much be grateful for that. Thank you so much in advance!

Do you think if West Papuan's got a vote for Independence, they would honestly stay with Indonesia? What Joko has done for WP is great but be honest.

@@bopndop2347​⁠​⁠​⁠Yes if western new guinea and all of inhabitants now. Some region are ofc more likely to vote for separation especially in highland area, others are more nationalist and will vote for Indonesia. This will never be revisited because of the chaos it will cause since of who can vote itself will already cause massive conflict. One example: there is a legal term oap (original papuan) to basically differentiate Indonesians from papua or from outside papua. But since most of tribes are patrilineal, matrilineal descendants are not considered oap (since they didn't carry the clan name). Some are more accepting of foreigners like marind consider anyone to be marind if they 'behave marind' evidently javanese who have been intermarried with them for centuries still called javanese by the highlanders, Koiwai in Kaimana have plenty of patrilineal foreign descents of arabs/moluccans. Similarly Biak with chinese descents (although they adopted matrilineal surnames). After the vote of independence, will the result even be accepted or just go back to allegations of cheating like the old vote. In my opinion it will just cause more conflicts and sparks new wars not just in New Guinea but also in Indonesia. Some tribes (or even clans inside tribes) are more likely to be separatists other nationalists. Like its already second or third generations already member of TPNPB or members of TNI. Like my village in Kaimana have plenty of trikora veterans family whose children joined TNI. Or the Baliem valley's Dani in the highland, plenty of them sent soldiers to be member in TNI, they were also formerly trikora veteran. Baliem valley became a tourist site precisely because it is safe and not so many separatists. Autonomy as envisioned is 2000s is the best solution. But ofc like IRA and its numerous splinter groups in Northern Ireland (honestly apt comparison with many similarty with northern ireland of uvf and ira), there will always be people that disagree.

I agreed with your comment until the settler-colonialism part. The migration is actually two-way because (West) Papuans also benefit from "affirmation" programs in which they are brought to other Indonesian parts to study (free and they get incentive) and work with special enrolment or hiring methods. About the Free West Papua Movement, I don't have any opinion as the voice of Papuans are actually diverged. There's that movement but also there are also pro-Indonesian groups. We actually need to listen to them more, but sadly the Indonesian government suppresses most political coverages from Papua

@@danan2721 free west papua

Ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ.

@@NativLang Sorry, can I ask how to search for that song on the video?

είναι όντως καταπληκτικό κανάλι!

This is all Greek to me.

@@Ggdivhjkjl it's all chinese to me

thinking about the Indigenous peoples of the Amazon and their gorgeous food forests as were mentioned in the video just makes me think of how amazing it is, what humans can accomplish when we learn to live with all life on earth instead of in opposition to it.

i don't see the point, there isn't really enough interesting stuff to make a video on there. just what you would expect with dialect differences

@@siarhian10 not even only dialects, but differences about pronunciation and orthography. And that's very interesting. Including some oddities that are coming in the Northeast of Brazil.

@@renatooliveira9561 most languages have this sort of thing going on. He's already done a video on Scots, which is an extreme example where the lines between dialect and language are blurred, and if you want to go that way it would make more sense to do something like English or Arabic, or the varieties of Chinese, and you can even do that same thing for Gwenhwyseg in Welsh

@@siarhian10 ok. No problem. It was just a suggestion.

Thanks for suggesting. The way I hear the grammar of verbs and pronouns, singulars and plurals in flux when Brazilians from different states speak, that alone could be a video

"Eawedo" (greetings/ thanks) from Samarai Island

What's a wolrd?

@@johnlastname8752 I'll leave it like this