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Great bit of information. I will pin your comment so others can read it and take the necessary precautions. Thank you

The Off Grid Family Hey love watching video’s like this well on making anything lol. Just wondering what you would use the water glass for. And would there be any use for it in art? I am always looking for new mediums. thanks again great info.

@@jimmorrison3035 ceramic glazes,, the silicate is the glass

Product you made how and answer for procedure appreciated. But the advantage s using with concrete , and the ratio nothing mentioned?!!??

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Ahí fumadores que llevan toda la vida fumando y no mueren de cáncer, fumador desde los 9 hasta los 29 , casi 40 años sin fumar 😂🎉

Glad you liked it! Thanks for the comment :)

Wow that's probably the nicest and most eloquent comment I have ever had. Thank you so much. When you have finished your project I would love to see it. If you want to send a pic to theoffgridfamily@gmail.com I'm really interested. Thanks again for the kind comment

great information thanks very much. What temperature are you hoping to get your forge up to? the melting point of sodium silicate is 1990f/1088c which a few of us have found out the hard way. I have had the temp to 1000c and no issues at all but a few people have had issues around 1000c so im not sure if it is something to do with the way the sodium silicate is made. I though I would tell you in case you didn't know. Good luck and when if you need help or want to share pictures of your project then please email me on theoffgridfamily@gmail.com

The Off Grid Family, thanks for that I knew there was a point where it fails. As im just heat treating im just going to 750c - 850c. Im thinking of making bricks then high temp fire cement. I will send you some pics no problem

ok wonderful. A few friends have got their forges to really high temperatures and just watched them melt. I didn't want that to happen to you. I would love to see what your working on and how it turns out etc. speak to you soon

Welcome to the family Australia 🙂 if you need any help just message

Thank you for your kind comment

UMMMM.... methinks you missed the part about the chemical reaction. It, as Sodium Silicate, is harmless, or nearly non-toxic as completed. Food Industry, Cosmetic Industry, Soap&Detergents Industry .... ALL HAVE CLIENTS WITHOUT SAFETY GLASSES. ASSHOLE. GO BACK TO SCHOOL. I HAVE A JUG OF DIY POTASSIUM SILICATE. DO I SPRITZ MY FACE WITH IT ? DO I DRINK IT ? I USE IT FOR REFRACTORY MIXES... FORGE AND FOUNDRY.

@Klaa2 I saw a man who had sodium hydroxide splashed in his face and his eyes looked like a bar of soap. Wear eye protection.

@@kennethkustren9381 Take your own advice, and go back to school. Or, just read an MSDS. The typical for these solutions pH is ~12, but it can be more or less when DIY. Why take the risk? Oh, and 'back in school', they would make you wear the safety glasses anyway. LOL.

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Thanks for the comment

Wow that's awsome. I love information like that. Thanks for the comment my friend

Although the reaction is exothermic it doesn't always disolve enough silica.

Plastic bottles are not anywhere near as good. I may have to find an old metal can. Thanks for the info

be careful. if the can ls mild steel, it could be a problem

Thank you so much for your kind comment. If you need any help or just a chat message me or email me (theoffgridfamily@gmail.com)

@@TheOffGridFamily Thanks agin,i will keep that in mind.

Wonderful. Welcome to the family

Yeah! I ruined thousands of dollars of neatly stored freeze dried food to find enough of those little gel packets to make up a batch of this stuff, Now what do I do with it? Maybe now these videos about making this stuff will stop popping up on my recommendations list!

Thank you

Your welcome. Hello Thailand

Thanks for the kind comment. I hope you find more bits that help/entertain you. Welcome to the family 🙂

Hey there, great questions. I know it goes solid in the sense that I use it as a high temperature adhesive when making rocket stoves. I don't know how long a large quantity would take to cure etc or even if it would. I'm sorry. If you do try it I'd love you to comment with your results.

Yeah I was a bit stupid not taking more precautions. I always wear protection when making it these days

I always get people telling me to keep my chemicals out of my children's reach (like I hadn't thought of that) this was my little bit of payback. Glad you enjoyed it

I use it as a high temperature adhesive in my rocket stoves

Although there is an exothermic reaction I've always found that an external source keeps the reaction going and melts the silica gel quicker. I did originally try without and I found there was a lot more silica gel undiluted. I would advise just doing a few tests yourself and see what works best for you. Thanks for the comment my friend

Most of the pans I have are stainless. Not many pans in the UK seem to be aluminium as far as I've noticed anyway.

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I'm glad you enjoyed it 🙂

Thank you very much :)

very clever method. I will try it out some time. Thanks for the information

@@TheOffGridFamily dont do that!!! Your fine

Hey there, I think you are right about the hard/soft water. I believe we have soft water here and that could have a baring on the process. I should have thought about that and tried it with both hard and soft water. My silica gel isn't pure it has indicator crystals in which i believe is cobalt, would that give off nasty fumes? As for the projects, I've known about solar stills of one kind or another and did consider making a very basic one, the only issue I thought of is I live in Wales in the UK and we get about 69 (I just checked) days of sunshine a year and I realised it would just sit around most of the time doing nothing. As for the Ummbracone thing, I did a quick search and had no luck because I have no idea what it is. could you elaborate please. Thank you so much for your comment it was extremely helpful

AMAZON Partner: pure silica gel, at a good price - then again don't know what the shipping cost to New Zealand (?) would be ... but I'm just saying- Hell, I wish I could send you some ...

Diy rocket stoves. Various heat related things. Have a look at my other videos. Thanks for the comment

I looked at aircreet a long time ago but it was a lot of work to get to the final product so I never went forward with it

🙂 just wear gloves and eye protection and you will be fine. It's a very easy process

@@TheOffGridFamily Will do, thanks.

You are most welcome :)

Yeah, no need. Lye + water will get very hot on its own. lkso the metal pot is a bad idea...especially if aluminum, since it will evolve hydrogen gas. H2 + open flame = boom!

Your welcome. Thanks for the comment

ive made it 100s of times and find that the ratio changes every time becauae of the type of water (har/soft) or when you start the reaction. Like you say if it works thats what Matters. Thanks for the info

The Off Grid Family ..... As a chemist, I hesitate to hazard a guess about water hardness without knowing the stoichiometric equation. But it would be easy for you to find out by just making a batch with distilled water. The ratio I referenced came from a clip by a guy who not only gave me a good vibe, but whose reaction went off without stalling in the middle.

fair enough. I have done it with distilled water, hard and soft water etc to try and see which is the best/worst. Not everyone can get distilled water easily etc. They all seem to work, by that I mean you get a working water glass (sodium silicate) at the end. Id advise against believing everything you see in RU-vid videos, I have watched a few people make sodium silicate without any issues at all but noticed a few changes to their batches without explanation. I always leave mistakes in my videos as it saves other making the same errors and its the best way to learn.

The Off Grid Family ... Myself, the terminology used is a indicator of how knowledgeable a person is on a topic. Some guy below mention the silica dissolving. Perhaps he has practical knowledge of solubility, but that isn’t what is happening. In a newsgroup someone stated it as being a decomposition reaction. What stands is that you have a workable solution.

Thats a fair point and some great information. Thank you

Thank you

I hate the process of picking those colored balls out. It has to be done because I use this for sealing terrazzo floors.

I wonder why they use cobalt chloride in kitty litter, even without health warnings, if it's so dangerous?

Apparently cats go potty for Wilco's kitty litter. Oh and I am in no way affiliated to Wilco ;c)

Could you send me a link to the cat litter you brought so I can make sure it wasn't that. It shouldn't be but its worth looking at. when you were mixing it the cat litter was it melting/combining? Were the drips catching on the spoon you were using? Do you have any pictures you can send me? I will try and help as much as I can. Thanks for watching and I wait to hear back from you.

Here is the link, but it doesn't show ingredients:- www.wilko.com/cat-litter-trays+boxes/wilko-silica-cat-litter-38ltr/invt/0433627 It was dissolving but not catching on the spoon, hence the 'stalactite' comment. It's not even setting up after heating and has the consistency of honey. I don't really have any photos I can show at the moment. Many thanks :c)

Although there is no indigence visible I can almost guarantee that its virtually the same stuff as I got if not the same. "The Consistency of honey" That seems odd too, It of course goes thicker but not like that. I assume you are following the way I did it (almost) exactly? I am always honest in my videos so if it doesn't work or I mess something up I always include it so that others don't make the same mistake. The only thing it could be is hard/soft water?! I think I will have to do another video testing different types of water then. I really didn't even take that into consideration. I will test my water tomorrow and be able to tell you for definite whether my water is hard or soft. That way we can narrow that down. How are you heating it and what are you heating it in? We will get the bottom of this :)

I think this could possibly be the reason or another 'contaminant', apparently my water is soft at '17 mg/l as calcium' according to the water authority postcode checker. I also know that the water is fluoridated and also the chlorine could also be a factor. When I get a chance, I'll try again with distilled water. However as I'm going to be using this to line a 'coffee can' furnace I might just try cement, sand and perlite as the refractory. But there are many uses for water glass I would like to try too, it would be good to know how to make it. Are there any chemists in the house? ;c) Many thanks.

Thanks buddy I appreciate it. I've never intentionally dried some out although I have had a small amount dry in a lid. It dried sort of like Pva glue just more misty and took a few days.

All very good information.

Yes I started with aluminum pot with a violent reaction quickly changed ti stainless steel

I'd think that people would have guessed that I wouldn't be that stupid.... Oh well 😂

Perhaps my friend. I don't know. I'm glad you weren't harmed playing with the stuff! It's crazy the amount of things we didn't know back then.

Ive used it a few times but this is the most common use for it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hZ5-OUJwY40.html

I use sodium silicate as a high temperature adhesive. This batch I used to make a rocket stove. There are loads of different ways to use it. From preserving eggs to sealing concrete. You will have to Google it to see the majority of uses as its to much to write in a comment.

Search youtube "Sodium silicate water glass..." by environ molds. Dude, this stuff apparently is the shit! Seals head gasket leaks, glues cardboard, seals cement, and more.

One day I will do a whole video on the uses of silica gel... Very useful stuff 🧐 Great comment. Thank you

We all want it some times 😉

Only a few people can identify the accent!! how dare you get it right ;) In answer to your question. I really don't know. I use it as a high temperature glue. I know there are loads of uses for it but not sure about that one. If I get a chance in the future I will do a quick experiment and see what happens, If you try it before I do then leave me a comment saying how it went. Thanks for your comment

@@TheOffGridFamily I only know because I have the same accent although now laced with the 'Diff!! Will investigate and let you know....

@@AC-cg3bv All good :) Keep me posted on the investigations. Speak soon mate

I have never done that myself however hundreds of people have messaged me talking about it. They all used the recipe to make sodium silicate and then used it as a sealant for concrete. Sadly I don't know any of the proportions they used etc. good luck my friend

The fact that you couldn't get your water to boiling point worries me because sodium hydroxide and water produce an exothermic reaction (cause heat). When I have done it it the past I have wondered if I even need to heat it myself because it boils for a long period of time without any external heat source. In the past I have kept the amounts I use of each chemical the same and have had slightly different results for example the second time I made it all of the silica gel dissolved and I added more, the next time I had some left that i had to remove that didn't dissolve. It could be caused by the amount of heat or it could be adding the chemicals at different times has a different chemical reaction. I'm not sure. I think in your case you need to test the water. Maybe get a pint of it and add quite a bit of sodium hydroxide to it and make sure it heats up. This way you know that those two are reacting properly. I have done a video on testing the PH of different products around the house using a home made testing solution (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QDefGUfx760.html) that maybe useful to see if it is really acidic or alkaline. If you do decide to test the water I'd test your tap water as well as it may be a better alternative. I have used tap water and had very promising results. That said I know some who have had really poor results with tap water. This could be something to do with hard and soft water I'm not sure. I'm really interested in your project as I have never heard of it being used in that way. I'm tempted to go out in the garden and give it a go. Would you be able to tell me in detail how to do it either here or email me (TheOffGridFamily@Gmail.com). I'm always amazed how many different applications Sodium silicate has. It can be used for so many things. If you need any more help then please don't hesitate to comment and good luck with your project.

Yes you're correct, it is an exothermic reaction (much like Calcium oxide mixed with water) and should have boiled easily. When added the Sodium hydroxide to the water, there was an exothermic reaction and I could see alot of steam coming from it, but when I went to heat it up over flame it didn't boil, or simmer and then when adding the Silica gel, it only had an initial 'fizz' and then just kinda steamed from that point. But all the Silica gel was dissolved eventually after an hour on the heat, adding small amounts of water along the way to prevent the water from completely evaporating. Strange. I'm fairly sure the water is quite alkaline already, because I tested it with a spa pool tester not so long ago, but I will check out your vid (link not working, even when adding the ".com") and test ph, or use the red cabbage method. The tap water is even more dodgey than the fresh toxic rain water...it smells like a swimming pool and likely has other stuff in it that they're putting in there. Distilled may be best in the long run, especially when testing, it as it would be good to reduce 'variables' and keep it constant so it's a more accurate way to compare test batch with test batch and have a more standard form of water to use, considering differences in water sources. So it could be replicated by anyone, with predictable results. I'm happy to share some ideas with you and others, as long as it's all "open source" and proper safety information and potential ways of recycling/repairing the material are thoroughly researched and shared when passing on knowledge of the process. It would be great to have a few people commenting and experimenting with it and figuring out how to get a good result. And once the material is functional, you might want to do a video and/or article showing the full process? that would be great! It could probably be applied in many ways - some of which have probably been discovered already. I read an article about how they used dry Sodium silicate power, mixed with wood fibre and hot pressed it to form a strong wood-like material. A similar thing could be done with "rustic" homemade paper, soaked in Sodium (or Potassium) silicate and put in layers in a simple mold and then compressed a bit to squeeze out some excess Sodium silicate. It would need exposure to air though in order to cure probably. It could also be used like fibre-glass, by pouring some Sodium silicate onto the "rustic" homemade paper, working it in with a fibre-glass roller (basically a bunch of washers) and then further flattened/smoothed with a solid flat roller. It could have more layers added, or not. And set in place for a flat sheet or 'plank', or transferred and worked onto a mold...eg: a boat mold. It could be made into corrugated roofing, piping, walls, flooring and possibly more rubber-like materials by adding dandelion latex... etc etc etc. It is already used as paints and can be combined with Calcium hydroxide to produce Calcium silicate hydrate (CSH), which is a setting activator in concrete. It can also be used as a paint and would be great to mix in homemade organic pigments from plants etc. I personally only want to use things that I can make from scratch. I know it's possible to make Sodium hydroxide from seaweed ash Sodium carbonate, mixed with "milk of lime" (Calcium hydroxide water) in what's supposedly called a "double replacement reaction". Calcium hydroxide becomes Calcium carbonate and sinks to the bottom, while the liquid is now Sodium hydroxide, which is the poured/strained off and concentrated to either liquid or dry form. I also know it's possible to make Calcium hydroxide from sea shells, or limestone etc by "burning" the carbon out at a temperature around 800 degrees Celsius. It has then become Calcium oxide, which is mixed with water, where an exothermic reaction occurs and it is mixed until it turns into a toothpaste like consistency. Ideally the ashes for making Sodium hydroxide (seaweed ashes) or ashes for making Potassium hydroxide (wood ashes), would be created in the same fire that is used "burn" the carbon off the sea shells/limestone...getting 2 different raw chem materials at the same time and making it a more efficient process. Also, for without a silica source, I read that it can be extracted from rice hull ashes, as they're around 90% Silicon dioxide! Not sure how to isolate/purify the Silicon dioxide though...maybe someone knows? Ultimately, it's gotta be doable for the everyday person - 100% from raw materials found in the natural environment. Truly 100% self-sufficient :) Oh, and you probably know that Glycerin can be produced via the Sodium or Potassium hydroxide soap-making process. I think it needs to be purified to removed any excess alkali from the Glycerin. Obviously store-bought materials are available at the moment, but it's certainly worth knowing how to do it all yourself! The manufactured end-times/apocalypse - to - new-age shift, is already happening (they walk among us) and that could continue to unfold in a variety of different ways. Strange days have tracked us down. It's a chaotic, manipulative degradation of all organic life and all that is genuine, sincere and loving.. Distancing everyone from soul... So, with pure, kind intentions, let's individually, collectively and SOULFULLY offer up some ideas, creative solutions, etc! Sorry for the long message, there's only so much time in a day, but I hope you can see the potential and can also work on figuring out this technique. It could be good to message in the comments section, or in the "discussion" section of your channel and let others chime in with some ideas, material testing reports etc??? I think the technique should be fairly straightforward and results should appear quickly. It's likely gonna start with using concentrated Sodium silicate (or Potassium silicate) with the least amount of water, to ensure a strong material. Thanks.

The first time I made sodium silicate I made it with distilled water but I found that my tap water worked fine. In my video I advise using distilled water because you never know whats in your tap water. The thing I love about RU-vid is the collaboration aspect of it. I have learned more in the comment section than watching videos. I'm trying to sort an area out on my website to make collaborating even easier. I checked out the link and it works just delete the ")" at the end its ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QDefGUfx760.html We both share the love for using things we can make from scratch. I had originally wanted to make all of my tools from scratch but unfortunately I just ran out of time. I love being able to make most of the chemicals I use though.

Rainwater in my area is very acidic and contains dissolved contaminants as well as dust particles. It is so acidic (closer to pH 5 than pH 6) that I have to treat it with baking soda or pelleted lime before using it in my hydroponics tanks. City tap water has been treated to neutralize the acidity, and around here is between pH 7.4 and 7.5. If you aren't familiar with the pH scale, 6.0 is ten times more acidic than 7.0. Distilled water is neutral, with a pH of 7.0. Acidity might be a factor when making water glass.

Hi there. Thanks for your kind words. Im sorry you are having so much trouble. Ive never had any trouble getting it to set. The thing that helps it set is CO2, are you stopping CO2 getting to it? If not what chemicals are you using to make the sodium silicate?

Correct however you need it to stay boiling for a prolonged period of time and the exothermic reaction wont last that long.

Of course🤔

Good question. The silica gel (Cat litter) I used has colbolt (little blue pieces) in it which is very toxic so don't use this method. There are many places to find different silica gels but please be careful before consuming any of this kind of thing. Thanks for the comment

baddoggie101 👍 Amen. I used an aluminum picture to mix 127g Sodium Hydroxide to 350 mil water for my very first soap making batch. I added the NAHO slowly but the "Eruption" got scalding HOT and foamed/spilled"everywhere). I now use a glass pickle jar to make the lye water concentration. I put the oils in a large bowl. e & then lowly add the Lye water mixture in. This different sequence of combining and mixing ingredients allows an aluminum picture to be used instead of glass, porcelain, stainless, plastic.

@@badams9854 Yep, the reaction with water alone is exothermic (generates heat). Add aluminum and it will generate hydrogen gas. Add an open flame and boom!

@baddoggie101, you are absolutely right . Never consume anything cooked in aluminum. Even foods wrapped in aluminum foil can be harmful, if the foil is too thin and/or if it was wrapped while food was hot, or baked in an oven with a thin foil cover. Edit: To find out if your aluminum cookware is safe, boil some rice in it. If your rice turns out pinkish or light gray, get rid of it immediately. Stay healthy.

I honestly can't remember if it's hard water or soft. I've made a few forges that have melted or cracked. The one I'm working on now is version 3 so fingers crossed. Where do you live? I've found a few sellers on amazon that have the majority of bits you might need. Thanks for the sub and nice comment. I will be starting up my projects again soon. When the weather is a bit better.

@@TheOffGridFamily Do you get scale in your kettle? If yes,its Hard No its soft. I boil a pot for tea there is a layer straight away.

Good tip. We get very small amounts after lots of boils

Thanks. 😉

That's really interesting. I don't know sorry that's the first I've heard of it

@@TheOffGridFamily thanks for responding. I'll have to check. See if it's still around.

If you can find a way to make it just send me a message

@@TheOffGridFamily certainly. Thank you

That the good stuff :D

Hi steve. What heat are you hoping to get your forge up to? I only ask because the melting point of sodium silicate is 1,088°C and ive known a few people who have spent a lot of time, effort and money only to see their forge melt in front of them.

Coffee Can forge ... On YT ... Plaster of Paris, Silica Sand. Heat to cure. Same day use,... Tabletop Size. Sodium Silicate = Potassium Silicate My successes were only with compressing dry mixes, and curing with burner in place immediately. Random sand used... not an issue. If anything, my issue is it's walls shedding sand over time.

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Iain O'halloran hey mate. I shopped around. I found a 6 pack of caustic soda on the poundland website (£6) and the silica gel is a 100% silica cat litter i got from amazon (£10) what project are you working on. Send me an email. Id love to hear what you are up to. Cheers fella

When I first made a batch I had a load of clumping so i got an old hand blender added more water and then blended it to within an inch of it's life and the clumps pretty much dissolved everything so hope this will help cheers bud

Iain O'halloran it always clumps up but heat, mixing and it should dissolve. If not add more water. Using a blender is a great idea. I think my wife would beat me up if i used ours ;)

I use it as a high temperature glue but it has many uses

I'm sorry I don't know.

You can use it for high temperature adhesives and waterproofing for concrete. Apparently there are quite a few uses. Although I've only used it for high temperature adhesives

They are HDPE and I've not had any issues (so far) but always be careful when storing anything in containers what we're not their intended use

I'm sorry I don't know.

I will get you going in the right direction. Yes sodium silicate is the main liquid in the mix. I will not give you a recipe but here are the other stuff in the mix: water, glycerin, Sodium silicate, hydrochloric acid, ammonium or sodium alginate found in dental casting, a de-foaming agent, a wetting agent, and some silica 200 to 400 mesh. This is the liquid stuff. The stucco you add is up to you but most in the industry use 80-100 mesh silica. Experiments will get you what you need.....good luck

The most common thing used is CO2 to harden it. I just slowly heated mine until all the water had been removed. What is yours being used for?

Place baking soda and white vinegar in a pressure container, and bubble/diffuse through the WG solution immediately after making it, while it cools.

I have only ever used it as a high temperature adhesive, so I'm not sure. A few people have said it does but I honestly don't know. Sorry.

In this form it can be used as a high temperature adhesive. I used this to make a rocket stove. Check out my videos for more information.

Can you explain more about the materials you'd like me to possibly make. Thanks for your comment

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@@hassansalih3661 It maybe a bit out of my knowledge range, I will look into it for you. Thanks for your comment

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emwkkt2 firstly powdering the silica gel sounds like it should work but it doesnt. It clumps together and becomes very unmanageable. Secondly the silica gel melts under heat and the reaction between caustic soda and water is exothermic (produces heat) so helps to melt the silica gel. It would still work but may take longer to get it to temperature. Thanks for the comments

I agree, I always end up watering it down at the end because it is so concentrated anyway. I think if I was to add more water at the beginning it would dissolve more into it. I still think I would have to water it down at the end but it would be even more concentrated due to all the silica gel dissolving. Thanks for the helpful comment

You might need to account for the water that boils away during mixing. That might be why you have leftover litter. Add more to the amount that boils away and see if that hepls. A thought.

I believe its a waterproofing agent but I'm not sure.

Not relevant, "dissolving out" would be precipitation of crystals.

You are probably right