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New Home Slab vs Basement Foundation Cost Difference 

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This video goes through a detailed analysis of the cost differences between a slab foundation for a new home versus a "ready to finish" basement foundation. If you are thinking of building a new home, this video will help you to analyze the cost difference for a house plan with a slab versus one with a basement. To learn more about our online course showing how to build your own home stop by ownerbuilderclass.com/

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@andrewhinsurance
@andrewhinsurance 2 года назад
$25K to essentially double the living area of the house? Plus it can be used for emergencies, general storage, a home gym, etc. Why WOULDN'T someone do this?
@matsudakodo
@matsudakodo 2 года назад
@@tjam4229 if it's a ranch house it's 1100 sq ft + 1100 sq ft (100%) = 2200 sq. Sounds like a double to me.
@ericadavenport2039
@ericadavenport2039 2 года назад
So ridiculous! 😆 There are a lot of styles of homes and a basement CAN double the size of a house. Why are you so aggravated about that?
@nodak81
@nodak81 2 года назад
Can be a giant headache if it isn't done properly. Just like crappy new cars, it won't show any signs of premature failure until just after the warranty expires.
@FreshWest555
@FreshWest555 2 года назад
@@matsudakodo T jam is correct, I’m an insurance agent and when I write homeowners policies we do not count basements in to the sq footage we count it as a foundation type, and of course u can finish it and add livable space which is ur point. But it would be a 2 story house with a basement foundation
@chrishayes5755
@chrishayes5755 2 года назад
basement sounds great until the shit starts cracking which often can happen within days of the pour. if not that quick give it 10-20 years.. then you get bum contractors who want to charge 10k for basic fixes, possible water leaking into walls causing mold issues that are undetected etc. it can be a headache.
@vh9network
@vh9network 2 года назад
Having grown up in homes with basements, I feel this is still essential part of a house. Made even better with modern technology that you can transform your basement into a theater room.
@ReneBezerra
@ReneBezerra 2 года назад
This is like EXACTLY what I was looking for when searching for the difference in cost between slab and full foundation. Thank you
@jeffhuebner4352
@jeffhuebner4352 2 года назад
Spend the money with a poured concrete wall basement I wouldn’t try to save a buck, with a concrete slab on grade method i would put in hot water radiant heat in my basement floor heat the water with a electric boiler it’s nice to have, it’s great walking on a Warm floor, you won’t regret it.
@jeffhuebner4352
@jeffhuebner4352 2 года назад
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@ReneBezerra
@ReneBezerra 2 года назад
@@jeffhuebner4352 hi, Unfortunately I'm building on bed rock, So a full basement is not A reasonable option. My goal is to spend some of those savings in a good and highly insulated slab.
@lindawiley7197
@lindawiley7197 2 года назад
Tornadoes !!! Basement is worth it
@robertmarley8852
@robertmarley8852 Год назад
Bro basement out of bedrock would be sick
@DavidM2002
@DavidM2002 Год назад
Brilliant analysis. One thing that should be mentioned is that in the summer, when air conditioning is running 24/7, a basement can be a wonderfully cool refuge. The cost savings in not having to run your AC can be substantial.
@captainamerica9353
@captainamerica9353 Год назад
But in a humid climate you'd still need a dehumidifier.
@DavidM2002
@DavidM2002 Год назад
@@captainamerica9353 Perhaps but since cool air holds less moisture you are less likely to need a dehumidifier or at least run it less often.
@mycowboyways915
@mycowboyways915 9 месяцев назад
You might want to add a stand alone dehumidification system to this basement plan. I think you would find it money well spent and much easier over your lifetime than those little dehumidifiers. Drier air is cooler air too.
@leudast1215
@leudast1215 8 месяцев назад
BS. basements are moisture traps and cause rampant mold problems. that wooden flooring you walk on so casually will rot.
@DavidM2002
@DavidM2002 8 месяцев назад
@@leudast1215 Maybe where you live. My basement living area's fir floors were put there in 1947 and they are in great shape.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Год назад
My parents built a vacation home many years ago on a raised foundation. The foundation was about 6’-7’ I always asked my step father for a few more courses of block why didn’t he put in a full basement. Since it was on the side of a hill the downhill side could have had a garage door and turned the basement into a underground garage.
@HomeSlice97
@HomeSlice97 Год назад
Absolutely worth it, especially if you’re already building a smaller house and need space for utilities and storage.
@bringingthebooks
@bringingthebooks Год назад
Exactly, you're literally doubling the square footage of the house's first floor. Building a basement also helps take DOUBLE advantage of the thermal effect from the ground, which is warmer than outside air in the winter and also colder than the outside air in the summer (this is why Geothermal is so effective) and it's completely free and totally passive (physics itself). Also basements are quieter than any above ground floor could ever be. Perfect for setting up a small space for sleeping, studying, or watching a movie or anything where quiet is valuable. And, by adding those egress windows (not always required depending on county building code) you can still get some nice lighting in should you choose (although I would plant nice small shrubs and bushes around for privacy. You will lose a tiny percentage of thermal effects from the windows, but it is a tiny percentage, a 1-4%. Houses are one of the very few expenses in our lives which will be used for decades and even over a century (your car won't last that long, your iphone won't, your laptop, your silly shoes, etc.), so one of the most ethical things you can do is to build QUALITY, BEAUTIFUL, PLEASUREABLE housing stuctures and features that will guarantee your enjoyment for the rest of your life, your families life, your future generations' life, or anyone who buys and lives in it later, it's one of the few no-brainer best things you can do with your life. We all should encourage builders to stop being scummy profiteering pill-addicts, and build actual quality housing and not the fastest, most profitable cookie-cutter shiitboxes which they profit off of by hiring illlegals and drrunks to build. Demand better housing in the USA!!! We have the money!!
@Teknomanslade2
@Teknomanslade2 Год назад
@@bringingthebooks question tho. this is a comparison of a 1 floor with basement vs 2 floor with no basement correct? so the footage would be the same. on by real estate standards the "value" of a house would be more for 2 story with no basement than 1 floor with basement as its all considered above ground.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 7 месяцев назад
Y’all are acting like everyone has an extra $25k laying around 😂 Alot of buyers will be fine without a basement
@babysquirrelxxoo8136
@babysquirrelxxoo8136 Месяц назад
@@bringingthebooks​​⁠Lol that’s quite a sales pitch. Totally agree on that last paragraph.
@eleanoreagly4844
@eleanoreagly4844 2 года назад
For those homes built where there are tornados a basement is essential safety feature, also worth the extra to storage of seasonal use items.
@stilliraise9201
@stilliraise9201 2 года назад
Then how you avoid the mold
@fsl4346
@fsl4346 2 года назад
@@stilliraise9201 In the basement? I'd get a dehumidifier if it's that bad.
@huejanus5505
@huejanus5505 2 года назад
@@stilliraise9201 French drain and sump pit.
@widehotep9257
@widehotep9257 2 года назад
Lots of people in Texas tornado areas have slab homes.
@fsl4346
@fsl4346 2 года назад
@@widehotep9257 Question. Are these mostly custom home or builders/entire neighborhoods?
@missouriman7689
@missouriman7689 Год назад
Fairly accurate, it runs about $25 per square foot for a basement here in central US and because of substantial bedrock being at undetermined depth you have to test the site prior to planning to see if you can even dig down 8' without spending thousands to have the excavator chip away at bedrock for several days. A good builder and a proper site you can usually get just under $25/sqft without any problems and NO upgrades. Something else many do not include is the extra concrete steps because the first floor of a home with a basement is usually higher off the ground, and in some cases require massive approaches to the entry doors and proper compaction after backfilling to keep from having problems with concrete patio slabs or driveway approaches in the future. However all the extra costs of having a basement under your home is beneficial in many ways; more efficient to heat & cool, safer if you live in weather prone areas, plenty of storage space with room to expand for growing families or busy lifestyles, and the added mass under your home will add significant strength to your home and it's foundation if done properly.
@chamy1521
@chamy1521 Год назад
I am an older builders and you just about killed me when you laid down those huge numbers, great info and presentation.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 Год назад
On small lots sizes here in California I have always been surprised that they don’t have more basements, especially considering how many communities have significant height restrictions.
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Год назад
Because real costs in California are ~10x higher than what this guy says - no chance in hell you'd build a basement in California for $25K - that's just absurd nonsense.
@mimibuick
@mimibuick Год назад
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Esp with current concrete prices. :( Cost in this video seem low but I live in a HCoL area on the east coast.
@AUniqueHandleName444
@AUniqueHandleName444 Год назад
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb That figure has to be driven by Sacramento.
@AUniqueHandleName444
@AUniqueHandleName444 Год назад
@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb In all seriousness and shitting on Sacramento aside, he's probably using national average figures. It's also worth noting that he's comparing it to a cold weather foundation, the kind you'd see in inland Washington, Utah, Minnesota, places like that where you need to dig 4 feet down to put in footings for winter anyway. This would be totally different for warm weather foundations where you can basically just build directly on top of the dirt.
@jonathanthink5830
@jonathanthink5830 Год назад
in some areas, like saratoga in northern CA, they do build houses with a basement for this exact reason. it is a one story house with a basement ....... :-)
@elainebaird2091
@elainebaird2091 5 месяцев назад
Thanks very much for the informative video. I spent several years as a spouse caregiver, and that now that I am an older widow step free is the way to go!!!
@Reciprocity_Soils
@Reciprocity_Soils 6 месяцев назад
Clear, step-by-step cost overview of building a basement. Thanks for this.
@pollyjetix2027
@pollyjetix2027 7 месяцев назад
I'm 60. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I'm facing my retirement years without owning a home of my own... to say nothing of having no finances on which to retire. I do own a 5-acre piece of rough land in the mountains. I want to build a very small earth-sheltered house, which of course is just a basement with a roof over it. This video has helped me understand things a bit more. Thank you.
@daytonwhat
@daytonwhat 2 года назад
I wonder if you could do a video on adding a standard second floor vs using attic trusses.
@StarkVandalez
@StarkVandalez 2 года назад
Keep in mind the problems with a slab for storage. He mentioned adding the additional sq ft for the mechanical room in a slab foundation, but also you have zero storage space unless you build a storage room or build a larger garage with storage. personally, all of my tools, christmas decorations, old kids toys misc. items are all stored in the basement.
@StreetcarHammock
@StreetcarHammock 2 года назад
You’re not wrong here, but a few shelves in a utility room can store a lot of stuff you use pretty regularly and decorations and other stuff could probably fit in an attic space if you have it.
@willsteiner8021
@willsteiner8021 2 года назад
Neighbor is building a 3 car garage on slab with a truss roof system, no electrical and unfinished on the inside. His cost est. so far is a whopping 75K. Go with a basement and it's attached to the house.
@ghjsdkfs
@ghjsdkfs Год назад
Attic?
@thatgreenguy3969
@thatgreenguy3969 Год назад
Sounds like you have to much stuff
@ML-kx9gz
@ML-kx9gz 10 месяцев назад
That's another good point that.
@sebastiantevel898
@sebastiantevel898 2 года назад
As other people stated prices vary by state and in the northeast, for example, I would expect the cost difference to be more than 25k. Using ICF may save a few thousand in labor, but still, it will be more than the cost difference in this video. Yet the increase in value of the finished construction, given the extra square footage will make it worth it in most cases, especially in the zip codes where homes are more expensive.
@reallywhy7926
@reallywhy7926 2 года назад
Thanks for that step by step financial comparison and why. It was very helpful for me.
@seasider7865
@seasider7865 2 года назад
Great video! Appreciate the breakdown and visuals.
@fsl4346
@fsl4346 2 года назад
Great video. Thank you. I'm just surprised that the poured concrete walls are that "affordable". That's encouraging. I'd do the entire structure in concrete (combination of poured concrete basement and CMU above grade walls or steel frame if CMU is not possible). That's my plan in the future.
@dwwolf4636
@dwwolf4636 Год назад
ICF.....
@peterxyz3541
@peterxyz3541 Год назад
Thanks. It gets me to the ballpark on the cost difference
@Dr.Q_PHD
@Dr.Q_PHD 2 года назад
I mainly want a basement for the purposes of having a safe space when a natural disaster, such as a tornado occurs. I also would want it to have two sections, one section to function as a root cellar and another to function as a living/storage space.
@Lowzone73
@Lowzone73 Год назад
we thought the same. One thing we did think about was if the house were to be hit, and collapse on the basement, you could be trapped. Its more likely to collapse on itself then blow away leaving the basement unobstructed. We thought about a basement with a tornado cellar off the side of the actual basement with reenforced structure (steel beam ceiling) and a short hallway to the shelter...just a thought
@akillersquirrel5880
@akillersquirrel5880 Год назад
IDK about you, but I'd rather be in a basement with a collapsed house above me, than in the collapsed part of the house
@ACitizenOfOurWorld
@ACitizenOfOurWorld Год назад
Go with insulated concrete form (ICF)exterior walls of the house. They were the only construction tested able to withstand F5 tornadoes. Basically the entire house is a safe room.
@albertomolina6216
@albertomolina6216 8 месяцев назад
What a good comparison and analysis. Thanks.
@dillonkraus4048
@dillonkraus4048 2 года назад
Your videos are so helpful, thank you
@js8905
@js8905 2 года назад
This is really informative. Thank you!
@wml1736
@wml1736 Год назад
Wow, excellent detailed info- thanks!
@reggiew5514
@reggiew5514 2 года назад
Thank you so much for the information you provide.
@sleze
@sleze 2 года назад
Outstanding breakdown of costs.
@Robin-mm6mo
@Robin-mm6mo 2 года назад
Very helpful video!!! Thank you!
@frankmathews1358
@frankmathews1358 2 года назад
Great video. Short and sweet.
@situational.analysis
@situational.analysis Месяц назад
Another great video. If it were longer or maybe a different video, I'd like to see one with the first floor decking as an elevated or suspended slab. My design extends the first floor out beyond the perimeter of the foundation footprint.
@msouth12
@msouth12 Год назад
Very helpful and clear. Thank you!
@garrettareiss
@garrettareiss 2 года назад
If you then finish the basement with the $50 per sq ft like you mentioned then you have about $76 dollar per sq foot in the adding of the basement which I believe is pretty cheap so makes sense to add the basement for addition square footage
@bzmills
@bzmills 2 года назад
Agree, had the same thought. 22/sqft for additional floor space to finish seems worth it.
@Esiddik
@Esiddik 11 месяцев назад
Great video !! Very informative thank you
@AlfredoA574
@AlfredoA574 2 года назад
Great assessment, thanks for sharing
@matthewmiller9526
@matthewmiller9526 2 года назад
Excellent video, thanks.
@CringePanda
@CringePanda 2 года назад
Incredible, I've been looking for a video like this for two weeks and voila, here you are today! I wonder if these prices will hold for AZ and caliche soil. Also, I think I saw in some video that concrete block would be cheaper than poured walls. I honestly don't want to forego the basement!
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
Block material is cheaper but more labor is required than poured. ICF labor is cheapest compared to poured or block construction.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
No, only poured foundation.
@robmarino314
@robmarino314 Месяц назад
When I lived in New York every house had a basement, but here in California all the homes are on slabs. 25k seems worth it for a rough estimate of all that is needed to include a 1000 ft basement. Thanks for the info and knowledge!
@Nanotank
@Nanotank 2 года назад
This is very detailed, no non-sense guide!
@marufruma
@marufruma 2 года назад
Here in the Twin Cities, MN it's a no-brainer to opt for a basement when building a new home. My builder is charging me $36k for a finished basement(1400 sqft) that will include a rec room, a good size bedroom and a full bathroom with tub. If I finished it later it would have cost me upwards of 60k. I am going to have 5076 sqft of living space now for not that much addition to the price of the house.
@alanross7694
@alanross7694 2 года назад
We just got the builders estimate for our full basement, 2 story 2400 sf house and it was $200k more than expected, with the resulting home being at least 300k more than local market value of existing homes (which are in short supply). Not willing to “overpay” to that extent and meeting with builder soon to discuss ways we can reduce cost enough to satisfy us. Thinking that changing to slab is the biggest leverage point, but I was thinking it would be a bigger difference than $25K. Great video, though…very helpful for my situation.
@hectorbart
@hectorbart Год назад
Did you go with a slab? And if you did , how much did it save you?
@alanross7694
@alanross7694 Год назад
Decided not to build. Slab was not a big savings because you need to poor fairly deep footings go here in New England and turns out that the slab approach does not save as much in excavation and concrete as you would think. We are buying a lakefront home instead. Smaller than what we would have built but 200’ of lakefront.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
Prices are way too high, supply and demand. The 75 MILLION additional folks in the USA due to open borders and lax legal immigration is 100% to blame.
@bradforrester2417
@bradforrester2417 Год назад
One option may be to go with a modern "frost-free" slab instead, I've heard these don't require deep footings because of the massive amount of insulation they use, plus they are more suited to in-floor radiant heating as a heating option.
@angeloc700
@angeloc700 2 года назад
This is very helpful! $25k is actually less than I thought it would be. Cheers.
@raadsbarbershop5303
@raadsbarbershop5303 9 дней назад
Thank you so much you save lotta money for me. Beautiful video.
@AndresSanchez-it9ey
@AndresSanchez-it9ey 2 года назад
Hey, can you make a video on how to price out material for a building out a home. With Menards you can buy the house plan and material needed to build the house at a cost up front which is very helpful in getting an idea of build out cost. Other websites don't give you that material list cost and it's very challenging for me to get a rough price on what material would cost. thank you so much!
@timothywalsh1001
@timothywalsh1001 Год назад
If you must dig 4ft down for frost, it does make sense to go an additional few feet. The cost comparison is missing the aspect of additional square footage. A 2200sqft home is now approximately 3000. There's the additional bedrooms, bathroom, recreation room, etc. My favorite home was in Tennessee, with a full garage basement. ( it was huge ! )
@Mirror576
@Mirror576 2 года назад
Could you please talk about ICF vs SIPs vs Framing vs Omniblock?
@DanLee1969
@DanLee1969 2 года назад
Thank you. I'm in the process of designing a home with a walkout basement. But I had no idea what it would cost to have an unfinished one, and if it was realistic. Seems to me to be worth it for 25 grand. So I'll do one.
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
Dan Lund, it will cost less than $25 grand if you use ICF construction for your home and use your walkout basement as finished livable space.
@jpl8878
@jpl8878 2 года назад
Making the same assumptions as the video, a walkout basement would likely be more than $25,000 for you. A walkout basement suggests you're building on a slope, which will require construction of a retaining wall. Soil stability is more critical for a sloped lot so drainage plans are often more involved. The retaining wall and additional drainage plans will increase your engineering fees.
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
@@jpl8878 walkout basements don t require retaining walls. They don t require extra engineering fees. All basements have drainage incorporated Around their perimeter irregardless of whether there is a walkout included.
@mtadams2009
@mtadams2009 2 года назад
@@jpl8878 Mine does not have a retaining wall and I can’t see why I would need one. I have lived here for years without issues. I also don’t have pump. My French drains use gravity and the water drains fine. I don’t have those expensive windows he showed but I did not build the house. My basement has added about 1600 of living space. I would never want to own a house without a basement. I I understood that’s not possible everywhere.
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
@@jpl8878 If I may... I am guessing when talking about a slop they're talking about the front, first floor is on grade and the back is basement level. Where the back is stick built, not concrete. I don't believe they're talking about such a slope where the building needs to be pined to bedrock. IMHO. Actually JP I find most of the comment a bit funny as in HaHa. Such as ToddBiz just above.. The vid isn't saying a basement is $25K... It's 25K more than a slab!
@kevinstenger4334
@kevinstenger4334 2 года назад
I used to live in central Michigan and very few houses there don’t have basements and when the occasional house with a crawl space hits the market it languishes on the market for months and months before selling at a steep discount. Hoses with slabs there are rare. Now I live in Tennessee where it’s a mixture but most of our basements are walkouts so no sump pump and no window wells plus none of the builders insulate them either because they just don’t enforce the codes very well. A friend of mine is a builder and he stopped doing basements because he swears it costs him $40,000 more than a crawl space even though some of his crawl spaces are 12-14’ deep on one end, I tell him he’s crazy and he doesn’t have any idea how many people don’t even look at his houses because of the wet stinky crawl space.
@lindawiley7197
@lindawiley7197 2 года назад
Tornadoes
@ralphdunavant2358
@ralphdunavant2358 Год назад
Great video. Could you analyze the cost of one story on slab with two story on slab? Is it twice the price, half the price, or something else?
@genegraves3076
@genegraves3076 Год назад
Had some success with designing homes with optional basement - mid 2000s. The benefit for a builder is that you can advertise both!!! At different prices! When we had prospects tour the model, most wanted the basement option, but a few wanted the lower cost slab option. Best of both worlds - until... One of the drawbacks to this 'either way' for a merchant builder is that the construction superintendents, draftsman, and trades had to be trained more and we thought adaption would occur smoothly - it didn't. We eventually dropped the option and just did basements only. All I'm describing occurred in the mid-2000s. I sold the company in 2014 but am now starting a new company focused on first time buyers. Because of the radical adverse affordability shift, and local government jurisdictions lack of cooperation in 'allowing' smaller homes, we are planning on the yes/no basement option again. We do not and will not build custom homes - too much hand-holding and wheel spinning.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 Год назад
Can I ask - are slab foundations better for flood zones? (eg 100 yr flood plain, a couple hundred feet from a small river.)
@anasafaneh
@anasafaneh Месяц назад
Thank you for the great information
@DevEncryptionNull
@DevEncryptionNull Год назад
I would always opt for the basement. Would also go with in floor radiant heating. You recoup about 80% on that when you sell the home.
@chrisclark2017
@chrisclark2017 10 месяцев назад
80% of cost? no it’s more than that
@monicageistwhite779
@monicageistwhite779 2 года назад
I just received a quote in New Mexico. Walk-out basement, concrete 3 sides, concrete for 2-car slab garage and driveway and sidewalks. 1700 sf. basement. Includes dirt work and some retaining. $87,000 This only includes concrete work and dirt work.
@dylansmith5868
@dylansmith5868 2 года назад
Currently building a 2 story house in NC, basement is roughly the same size as the one in the video and the pricing was almost identical. Most affordable square footage that you can get right now.
@Marthyboy88
@Marthyboy88 2 года назад
This is excellent info. I'm looking to move to SC soon, and was considering a new build with a basement. This kind of rough estimate is exactly what I needed, and it's good to know that the price/ft² is the most affordable.
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
Dylan, what was the cost in SC? We know it cost $25K more but I don't recall the vid stating what a slab cost..
@dylansmith5868
@dylansmith5868 2 года назад
@@littlered6780 not sure what the price difference between NC and SC but I wouldn’t imagine it’d be too significant. A crawl space on our house was part of the “standard” features so not sure what the price breakdown was before adding the basement. Rough estimate was about $20 sq/ft for the basement. There also can be other fees accrued when adding a basement. Hope this helps!
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
@@dylansmith5868 TY Dylan. I meant NC LOL!
@TheGregWallace
@TheGregWallace 2 года назад
IMO........Well worth the cost to gain so much space, not to mention it is a plus to have easy access to all your mechanicals in the basement, and if you want to move things around like plumbing or electrical in the future it will be so much easier. Well worth the cost.
@nickpavia9021
@nickpavia9021 2 года назад
Living in the Midwest, I would never build/buy a home that didn't have a proper basement. Tornados are scary.
@travcurt
@travcurt 2 года назад
Yes, absolutely! In fact, many parts of the Midwest actually *require* homes to have a basement or underground shelter in some compacity on site.
@Krazie-Ivan
@Krazie-Ivan 2 года назад
def look into ICF as your ceiling/1st floor, so it really is safe & not just a debris hole to be buried in
@OpenBookBuild
@OpenBookBuild 2 года назад
Right on Nick. The basement is a great place to take shelter.
@synewparadigm
@synewparadigm 6 месяцев назад
thank you. A very useful video.
@stevenmoomey2115
@stevenmoomey2115 Год назад
In the Northern areas of the Country, you already have to go down a certain distance to get well below any Frost Level for your footing. Also with certain Clay Soil types, the Clay must be removed and refilled. So these would offset the basement cost. Having lived in a house with a Crawl Space, Super Cold Floors, Plumbing Freezing till a I moved, replaced the patched pipes, and Insulated the Plumbing. Rock-wool Between the Floor Joist, Panning with Bird Vents. I will never have another Crawl Space Home. Also think about this, all your Hot and Cold Water Pipes are going to be either in or under that Slab!
@bradforrester2417
@bradforrester2417 Год назад
Unfortunately you are incorrect with respect to the plumbing - your hot and cold lines can be run from the attic if building with one. As a matter of fact if you build with an enclosed attic (insulating the entire attic as a conditioned space) you have all that room up there for your mechanicals and electrical, and in the event of a power failure would still have running water due to gravity. Yes your waste lines would need to go through the slab, but with proper clean-outs that's not as much an issue. This is also be addressed by modern "frost-free" slabs that have incredible amounts of insulation below-grade so that under the slab remains above freezing.
@darthroach9057
@darthroach9057 11 месяцев назад
In MN the footings need to be atleast 5' down in most areas. So might as well go a few more feet and get a basement out of the deal.
@squeekhobby4571
@squeekhobby4571 2 года назад
Excellent overview. Awesome, I am looking for this analysis. What about costs for dumping the soil bug for full basement. My vote is for a slab on grade with radiant floor heating. Thanks once again
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
No. Dumping necessary. Land surrounding structure is used for dirt and landscaping.
@uniqueballard7996
@uniqueballard7996 Год назад
Man I love your videos
@Heather-xw6tv
@Heather-xw6tv 2 года назад
Could you do a cost analysis with the same square footage. On slab vs basement?
@scottback3020
@scottback3020 2 года назад
But the cost savings of a slab is lost when it’s time to renovate, plumbing repairs, add a bath, etc. No way I would ever consider building a slab home for myself.
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
Actually Scott, not to mention, at least here in CT, that the $$$ saved will be lost in resale. Very few will want the home in VT with a slab.
@zackdreamcast
@zackdreamcast 2 года назад
Just ran numbers of slab vs basement in VT. Incremental cost increase for 1200sf was roughly 65k USD. 25k is a no brainer but that’s not a true cost. It was 25k extra just for concrete.
@carlynfry
@carlynfry Год назад
so helpful, thanks so much!!!
@kalan4787
@kalan4787 Год назад
When you're comparing basement to slab costs, were you taking any design decisions into account like the costs for additional masonry leads to produce inside corners, etc? Or were you assuming a perfectly square foundation with 4 simple outside corners for leads?
@wheyez1
@wheyez1 2 года назад
I’m thinking of a basement underneath a mobile home. It doesn’t need the floor joists, but requires supports. It’s not to bad as I beams can run across the outer walls and run a middle Suport wall. Can you compare that to the regular support? I can order the mobile home with a door, but the stairs would be in the basement.
@lornahmukasa4033
@lornahmukasa4033 10 месяцев назад
This ıs very beautiful video!! I’m ımpressed
@SMLguys
@SMLguys Год назад
Great info, so in this example if he goes with the slab he is losing 1100 square feet, so is it cheaper to build on a slab and add 2nd floor, or do a basement? Would like to see the answer to that as that is my dilemma, do I go up or down.
@AKI111
@AKI111 Год назад
That's great stuff... Thank you.
@chesterogilvie1393
@chesterogilvie1393 2 года назад
What would be the better option, ICF formed basement versus the panel moulds then exterior sprayed waterproofing and insulation?
@joshmaddox5682
@joshmaddox5682 7 месяцев назад
Very informative thank you sir.
@slavtune
@slavtune 2 года назад
Honestly even if it's 30k more, it's still worth it. I would not want a house in the north without a basement.
@petero6090
@petero6090 2 года назад
Why so? Curious.
@snivvelslurderagementai2560
@snivvelslurderagementai2560 2 года назад
@@petero6090 actually it doesn't make sense to not have a basement in the north because you still need to dig footers etc.. below the frost line and it's just a few more additional feet and you have a basement.
@338supermag
@338supermag 2 года назад
@@snivvelslurderagementai2560 not true read the code book
@338supermag
@338supermag 2 года назад
I live in New England. It's a good reason not to have a basement. Canada gets it, they build on slabs all the time. Also most Bensonwood Timber Frames are on slab in the NE.
@snivvelslurderagementai2560
@snivvelslurderagementai2560 2 года назад
@@338supermag I am not saying you can't have a basement. I am saying it doesn't make sense not to have a basement. I don't know anyone that builds without a basement here in Ontario. Every house I have been to has a basement, old or new. It's also just financially beneficial if you plan to sell the house. Why build footers that go 6 feet deep when you can add 3 feet to get the walls and have a basement? I mean the additional 25k is nothing when we are talking about real estate here. However, when it comes to something like building a storage, work shop, utility shed, a cottage or a "mini home", I would definitely just put up a slab.
@php777
@php777 2 года назад
Great video!
@thewildblake622
@thewildblake622 8 месяцев назад
Amazing video!
@nonyabusiness1126
@nonyabusiness1126 2 года назад
Worth every penny!
@dennispowell5265
@dennispowell5265 2 года назад
Good information. Roughly $25 square ft. I've heard you quote $50 square ft. to finish. $75 square ft total? Averages are $175 to $250 square ft. depending on your area. Be careful of tripping over a $5 bill to pickup a nickel. My opinion that's cheap space. Now, let's talk about walk out or daylight basements to be fair. What are the real cost deference and benefits? Also, split levels? I remember back in the day, the saying was, get to wood as soon as possible. I also work with Insulated Concrete Forms, which a home owner can do themselves. Other considerations, hydronic infloor heat. Remember pay now or pay later, things in the construction world are not getting cheaper and energy codes are getting stricter. This is a great channel and enjoy your content. Maybe educate owner builders on energy codes and where the country is heading in that area, this will be is a long term issue.
@Krazie-Ivan
@Krazie-Ivan 2 года назад
ya, even unfinished is worth it, given all the junk people accumulate these days (which ends-up in the garage, while your $30k cars sit out in the weather).100% on the ICF & energy concerns too... far past time to build smarter!
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
Yes,ICF is cheaper than plain poured. If you can add a walkout basement for living space and that space can be completed for $75/ sq ft it’s a no brainer.
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
It does not cost $50/ sq ft to finish an ICF walk out basement.
@StarkVandalez
@StarkVandalez 2 года назад
I agree, I love walk outs from basements. but it has to be done correctly. Not a small door with a narrow stair case to walk up to the yard. The yard should be excavated and allow a nice big retaining wall out of stone with some nice big patio doors to let in a ton of natural light and allow easy access from basement to backyard. If you're a baller, then your basement has a gym and sauna and you backyard has a pool and hot tub ;)
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
@@StarkVandalez yes, agree about entrance/exit. Patio doors with walkout to level landing, no stairs. 9’ ceilings in basement with ICF construction, 1200 sq ft each level, 2 bedrooms and rec room in basement.
@johnnylawson69
@johnnylawson69 Год назад
This is a very good example. I wasn't expecting a detailed breakdown. For the last house we built, the cost of the basement, (excavating, poured walls, floors, drain tile) was $75,000. Up $40,000 from 2 years ago. At first I thought your price on egress windows was high, but after thinking about it, not the case. An egress window is only about $400. But by the time you add in the $1,000 window well, it's not that far off. I like the wells from St. Paul corrugating. They look like stone. Good video.
@cterry7777
@cterry7777 Год назад
That sounds more like it. Who is doing his excavating they only charge $600 more to dig out the basement? I want to hire them.
@moehunter
@moehunter 5 месяцев назад
@@cterry7777 Same HERE on a 2,000sq/ft its $3k-$4k excavation cost on a large lot & up to $10k on a small lot that I have to truck dirt away! Full non finished basement Vs. a monolithic slab on a 2,000sq/ft its an easy $80k to $100k savings HERE
@Lowzone73
@Lowzone73 Год назад
22/sq ft and you can access ALL your plumbing/electrical/hvac on the first floor from a drop ceiling (if finished basement)in the basement. no need to cut up that slab when a pipe breaks IN/under the concrete. Double your footprint, all your HVAC and extras out of sight. Dont forget about the geothermal of a basement, stays cool in the summer, and warm (well thermal ground temp) in the winter...we'd spend that money ALL DAY LONG to have those pluses. If you heat with wood stove in the basement, use the HVAC to circulate warm air in the winter, no messy wood stack in the main living area. Possible entertainment room down there, leaving more useable room on the main floor...just have to make sure it doesnt become that dark musky basement!!! great video though!!! very insightful
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
I'll NEVER build a slab. EVER. So the floor costs would be the same. Makes sense to put a basement in.
@DaveT0818
@DaveT0818 2 года назад
I would be curious to have a comparison between the poured concrete basement walls and superior walls modular basement systems.
@OpenBookBuild
@OpenBookBuild 2 года назад
That would be interesting. Unfortunately, when I reached out to them when building the Open Book Build prototype home, they never responded. I think the problem might be that they have limited coverage area
@123darkdeal
@123darkdeal 2 года назад
What is the cost comparison if you do a full finished basement vs a 2nd floor on the house?
@ogermada2892
@ogermada2892 2 года назад
I'm a custom home contractor in eastern Ontario and I'll tell you that the prices in this video are 1/3 what the actual costs are. If you can find me a good electrician that will wire a basement for $500 I will hire him right now. I'm starting a new build in June which is going SOG instead of a basement and the savings will be at least @ $110k if you are comparing same house to same house, SOG vs basement. This new build is a 3000 sqft home. 1500 second floor and 1500 on main floor. We added a 12x14 mechanical room on main floor and a large loft on the second floor to add another rec room to compensate for the loss of basement space. Plans call for polished slab with a coloured swirl for texture, radiant hydronic heat for the main floor and also in the 32'x40' garage. The garage has 16' ceilings and will have another 14'x16' loft above the tool room for gym equipment, glass walls and a mini split for AC cooling and air circulation. Footings will be 24" - 36" deep, ICF with a 4" thick x 6' wide frost wing around the house. Insulated slab with radon Evac system. Estimated savings over basement is at least $50-70k after including the extra area to compensate for no basement. Just the excavation alone is @$10k for a normal basement. Then if you consider the water table on the average lot is @5' deep, half your foundation is out of the ground, which means 60 trucks of backfill for proper grading and I haven't even covered the septic grading, elevation, sewage lift pumps for a basement bathroom etc. Warmer floors because the radiant is in the main slab where everyone lives all day, not just in the basement which is used basically only for recreation. You can add radiant to lumber floor, but it's not very good. Zero water or sump issues and at least 6-8 weeks less on delivery time. More if it's a finished basement with another stairwell. Basements can be done well and dry. However with a properly engineered SOG and heating system, it's less expensive and less problems to increase the size of the home and do a slab for the average level lot. Sloping land with tall support walls would be different. Maybe ;)
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
Oger Mada - I must say that even in Ct USA a 1000 sq ft basement - 32' x 32' will not cost any where near Ontario's pricing. You can put both slab and full foundation up and you still won't reach $110,000, let alone save that much vs slab over full.
@ogermada2892
@ogermada2892 2 года назад
@@littlered6780 Ontario: Concrete $375/yd Stone $410/load. 16yds for a tri-axle Average trade labour billing cost -$80/hr. Fuel right now $2.45/L for diesel and $2.08 for regular gas. Premium is 2.30/L. Almost $10/gal. Spool of loomex 14/2. 300' length. $275. Building permit for 3000' home $38,500. 2x6-10' long. $22 2x4-$9 Oh. And add 13% sales tax on all that. 🤪🔫
@littlered6780
@littlered6780 2 года назад
@@ogermada2892 Sir, with all due respect I would never doubt your pricing, expertise, etc. for I do not reside where you are. I was responding to your first statement - "I'm a custom home contractor in eastern Ontario and I'll tell you that the prices in this video are 1/3 what the actual costs are" -. Your statement in its self is doubting the pricing of the Armchair Builder of whom I have no allegiance nor have I ever listened to one of his videos. Is it possible you meant to finish your statement with - at least not here in eastern Ontario -?? My response was not a criticism in any way though it may have sounded that way and for that I apologize. By the way, 2 years ago in CT diesel was roughly $2.40 per/gal. - roughly 40 cents higher than regular unleaded. Now it is $6.59 and unleaded is $4.59. Home construction here has reached $300.00 per sq. ft. I didn't vote for him! Have yourself blessed day! Oh, this is my wife's lap top! LOL
@captainamerica9353
@captainamerica9353 Год назад
@@littlered6780 , " I didn't vote for him" !! That's a riot because I didn't either! It amazes me that the Liberals who caused their states to be shut down, causing the insane fuel, food, housing prices, IRA's to become worthless, are voting for more of it!
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
I will never live on a slab. Concrete is radioactive.
@jakes-tips
@jakes-tips 7 месяцев назад
How would you do a slab on grade insulated for cold climate areas? (ie without foundation wall)
@rrarra
@rrarra 11 месяцев назад
What is the name of the waterproofing membrane used on the outside?
@vabearcub
@vabearcub 10 месяцев назад
That is very reasonable for double the living space when you consider the cost of the finished house. I believe that and a proper use of living space built into your roofing (trusses) make a lot of sense. Best bang for buck for sure!
@GGGarrison
@GGGarrison Год назад
Thanks for this. Builders are putting these in all over Alabama. We have red clay (siloam) and it moves. A concrete basement will cave in surrounded by red clay.
@TheImmortuary
@TheImmortuary 2 года назад
You should really do a comparison to a 2 storey home as well, because all the extra costs of the basement with regards to finishing it out, would also be incurred building out the equivalent living area on a second floor.
@notentitledtoyourownfacts2551
Exactly!
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
And take into account the height limit in your city.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 Год назад
2 story is cheaper than 1 story given same sq footage.
@b.c.g.9754
@b.c.g.9754 2 года назад
The price of tongue and groove sheathing is $65/each and if you add floor trusses that span the entire house with no support the price of the 1st floor would be much higher. We recently got a quote for a house with a basement and now have decided build on a slab. This video along with all of your others are very informative, I appreciate the time and sharing your knowledge.
@nateg5915
@nateg5915 2 года назад
Do you mind telling us the price difference and what you got quoted for the basement? We can assume you went with the slab simply due to the extra cost of a basement
@b.c.g.9754
@b.c.g.9754 2 года назад
@@nateg5915 I have only gotten a price for 2,700 sq’ house with full 9’ concrete basement foundation. It was more than we wanted to spend. The floor trusses and floor sheeting was over $50k. We now have decided to go with a slab for simply the cost savings. If we went with a slab we would get by with only doing a 4’ concrete stem wall vs the full basement, eliminate the 2’ tall full span floor trusses, and the tongue & groove sheathing for the floor. If we add dye to the concrete mix for the floor and polish it when we are finished we won’t have to install any flooring. We plan on installing in-floor radiant heat throughout the house & garage and having mini splits for the AC.
@nateg5915
@nateg5915 2 года назад
@@b.c.g.9754 wow that's a lot. Im guessing price for the whole basement foundation including the trusses and sheeting would've run you about $100k. I understand it's above you budget but I still think its still worth it considering you would've gained a large open basement with no support poles that you can finish at a later time
@b.c.g.9754
@b.c.g.9754 2 года назад
@@nateg5915 concrete work was $111k with 9’ basement walls. The garage was over 2,000 sq’ with front driveway, front and rear concrete patio. So our new plan is build about 2,800sq’ house on slab with 2,200 sq’ garage with attic trusses overtop for storage. So 5,000 sq’ total. I agree you get more space with a basement but we feel we wouldn’t use the basement. If you did a 2,000 sq’ main level with full basement now you have 4,000 sq’. I go back and forth but I’m still in favor of slab.
@ToddBizCoach
@ToddBizCoach 2 года назад
@@b.c.g.9754 was your estimate on a two story home or with 2700 sq ft on one story slab? A two story on slab still needs floor trusses for 2nd floor. If you build all on one floor your costs increase 2x for roof system from added roof trusses, roofing ,sheathing and labor.
@jimpie231
@jimpie231 2 года назад
I’m in the Midwest (Chicago suburb) and 19 years ago I had a home built in a regular subdivision. The home was a 2240 Sqft and came with a 1/2 basement & a crawl space. I opted for a full basement for $3800 more (2 extra full egress windows were included). I also opted for a 10” higher basement for $5800 more (this also included 10” concrete walls instead of 8” thick walls and the foundation went up, rather than deeper in the ground). These were some of the items I couldn’t do later unless I spent a ton of money. Other items I opted for were a 3 car garage, a cul-de-sac lot, foundation for a fireplace, lofted ceiling in entry and family room, 9’ ceilings thruout and a full toilet rough-in in the basement. When the home was being built, I was allowed by the superintendent of the builder to make deals with the subs for additional things, I added a rough in for a full toilet in the basement ($550, half of what builder wanted and put where I wanted it), extra faucet in master shower for a hand held unit), hot & cold water in the garage, ice maker line, laundry room sink, 2 access pipes (3”) from attic to basement (for antenna lines), a whole house fan rough in (in the hallway), a wall in the walk-in closet to utilize the dead space in the middle, header installed across the whole back wall for the fireplaces (so that when wall was cut out the whole house didn’t need to be reinforced), added a garage access to attic. Once I bought the home, I added downspout drains (to move water away from the foundation for 15 to 20’ away), 2 masonry fireplaces (one on the first floor & another in the basement), and brick veneer on the front of the home, a deck (had builder install the header below the siding), insulated and covered with 1/2” plywood in the garage (builder would not insulate garage), added 3/4” plywood pieces (free at building dumpsters) to make a storage floor above 1/2 the garage, added pull down ladder in builder installed garage access. Thanks…..Jim
@shellderp
@shellderp 2 года назад
so cheap and useful, and yet almost no one does it. I'm jealous of your house!
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
Costs are radically higher because of massive immigration since 1965.
@billvojtech5686
@billvojtech5686 9 месяцев назад
If you do a walk-out basement, can you eliminate the poured foundation wall on the walk-out side? Also, you might not need the window wells. How would you compare a house on a slab to a house built on concrete columns?
@devmeistersuperprecision4155
@devmeistersuperprecision4155 7 месяцев назад
I am not a fan of bunker bedrooms. But in Vermont , I am finding that I need at least 5ft to the footer. So that is on e reason you find basements in many old New England homes.
@KyleWMyers
@KyleWMyers 2 года назад
What about basement versus extra story of the house? I would imagine extra story would be cheaper? Also, what about a build where the slab is used for storage of water heater, washer dryer, garage, etc. and then the "real house" starts on the second (and potentially third) stories, making essentially a two story house (although technically I think it would be 3 stories?)
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 Год назад
Interesting questions. No one answered. Wish I could but I'm not an expert. But I grew up in a house on a slab. On the first floor there was the 2 car garage, and the laundry room which had the mechanicals (furnace, hot water tank), and also a family room, bathroom, and small bedroom. On the 2nd floor was the kitchen, dining, living, bath and 2 bedrooms.
@tomcollick8111
@tomcollick8111 2 года назад
Hi, Can a slab be over a basement to protect from Tornado's and have a root/Storm cellar?
@BerkleyBuilds
@BerkleyBuilds Год назад
I like the editing, especially how you green screened yourself as an overlay.
@christianerickson6062
@christianerickson6062 2 года назад
Honestly if someone were to ask me before this video I would have guessed 40k. For someone looking to want a basement with no intention of finishing it, this is great news!
@nateg5915
@nateg5915 2 года назад
Im with you but I think it all depends on location. Probably in middle USA you can get this done for $25/ square foot but in more expensive locations like NY, Chicago, LA im thinking $50k-$100k per square foot
@donm2255
@donm2255 2 года назад
I would love to see something on the cost difference between a garage floor on grade vs creating space under a concrete garage floor. This assumes a house being built with a daylight basement.
@darrellgeerlinks1562
@darrellgeerlinks1562 2 года назад
That gets pricey as you need an engineered garage slab.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 Год назад
@@darrellgeerlinks1562 But what about this comparison: 2 story house as such: slab with 1st floor "basement", ie the first floor would act as the basement (furnace, water tank, etc), and 2nd floor acts as typical first floor. Vs 1 story house with basement.
@ToIsleOfView
@ToIsleOfView 2 года назад
Thanks, a great lesson. Many save on the cost of a basement so they can afford more main floor bedrooms or luxury items like jacuzzi bathrooms and granite kitchens. An oversize garage can easily handle storage and mechanicals for a lot less money. If a family needs 4 bedrooms they usually like them upstairs or in a 1st-floor wing instead of a basement. I love basements but you learn to do without if you don't have one. Many people only use their basement as a junk store room and tornado shelter because with all that space they don't need to organize better. A nice above ground tornado shelter can be bought for 4 to 8 thousand but it's not much good for anything else.
@scottslotterbeck3796
@scottslotterbeck3796 Год назад
Depends on lot size. My lot is only 40' wide.
@nofurtherwest3474
@nofurtherwest3474 Год назад
Well said. I grew up in Ohio where most houses have basements. But ours was on a slab and frankly I don't think it ever occurred to me (when I was young, living there) that we were missing out somehow by not having a basement. But of course, as a kid I wasn't thinking about storage.
@buddyitzy9899
@buddyitzy9899 Год назад
I have a hill that I'd like a partial earth coverage of basement, with storage container against basement on uphill side, storage unit completely covered by soil or rock, with a hole in side of s.c. which connects to basement. Kind of a tornado shelter/shop s.c. S.C. end door would be away from road, and covered by slanted roof to keep rain out. House would be like old barns where dirt ramp to 2nd story/lower story(basement) for shop. Could have 2nd story deck extending out over basement on downhill side. I'd paint the roof metal to look rusted, side metal siding would be horizontal and painted to look like old grey barn wood or log, with dovetails painted in end pieces.
@MrDavidsuits
@MrDavidsuits Год назад
I am thinking about building a basement master suite as an addition to my house with an living space above it the whole with of my house witch is about 36' and adding 22' in long I wonder how much that will cost?
@Autocreatorz
@Autocreatorz 2 года назад
@armchair are these numbers off current prices or is this just a demonstration from slap to basement difference
@tcbridges
@tcbridges Год назад
Wonder what the difference between a basement or crawl space or be just to a Mono slab
@manleynelson9419
@manleynelson9419 Год назад
You don't recommend adding a moisture barrier membrane on the interior of the basement?
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