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Seriously some of these girls were above the age of consent.... I do not know what all the fuss is about.... The guy is dead (Epstein) move on already....
@@AK94913 I honestly believe that DT has that list now and that’s how he is getting the so called republicans that at one time had a heart and some morals to do his bidding. Just saying.
If you have money and power, that's what happens. Trump is right that there is a 2-tier justice system, but it is the opposite to what he claims. It is one law for the rich (including Trump) and one law for everybody else.
@@gwenyoung8969, I disagree I feel the DOJ is using the videos they’ve collected on these Democrat Hollyweirdos and politicians to keep a dementia puppet in office. All the while making them praise him publicly.
@@fluteplayervictoria4100 He was in his 50 s , handsome, charming and super rich . Every womans dream . A " victim " : I was inlove with him and thought he'll marry me ". Ouch !!😰
@@lelanalela7932. 2nd attempt: Conchita sarnoff wrote the first book on this that’s where you find the real , not this “package “. Of gossip news . I wrote more but of course it’s gone. Clowns
The fact that the client list isn’t public information at this point is an example of what’s wrong with this world. There’s a classist divide not only in this country but all over the world- they are protected, and they continue to get away with heinous crimes like this, while we as regular people are all treated to a far different standard. We as a society need to stand together and DEMAND that this list be exposed. We have a right to know. We have to protect our children and our loved ones. You should not be protected from punishment because of your socioeconomic status, period.
Facts!! I never came forward, but my abuser wasn’t powerful, he was in the circles around me so I never said anything!! I did get a restraining order against him!!!
@@carissafisher7514 the DA has a budget, and they have to pursue cases that are ironclad, unfortunately. It’s a process that takes treats. Also, a lot of times the vic* pulls out or settles outside of court. Most don’t even get reported, because it’s usually a trusted community/family member. that’s the main problem. It also has serious social implications for the vic* to come forward.
@@krich451 Actually , prosecutor was very soft : There's enough " fabric " to charge them ALL with prostitution and he COULD , but decided not to and go only after male participants .
@@krich451 💯%. Yeah, blame the 14 year old child who was groomed and ushered into it by the adults they're trying to defend?! What is wrong here? How low is the bar these days?
The victim blaming is exactly why most victims don’t speak up. They already blame themselves & feel shame & can’t bare being interrogated by police who don’t care.
@Runny117 we know Bill also, and the guy in the UK. I am sure there are many many more. Republicans won't admitt trump was there, yet Democrat admitt Bill was there. Yet Republicans claim to be Christian?? Sick.
sure, jurors should just believe everything they say, right? they did commit crimes already knowingly, lied to their parents, but yet jurors must believe everything criminals say? what planet are u from?
It didn’t fail. The people in charge were on the side of the perpetrator. Another reason among thousands why the founders said that a well regulated militia is NECESSARY for a free state. If every community had their own militia made up of people who live in that community instead of militarized police forces who depend on a ruling class for their pensions it would reduce government corruption and crime drastically.
@@truthreigns3465 I disagree. Consent without a full understanding of what is happening or the consequences, is that really consent. The fact is our mind is not fully developed to understand the full degree of consequences until 25-30. I did many things in my teenage years I would never do now because I now fully understand the consequences.
@@zxy78267 I guess some of the GJ's questions were harsh on the victims, because they were the sort of questions aggressive defense lawyers would ask in a formal trial, so the GJ felt they had to probe more to establish the reliability of the witness
The youngster should have been video recorded in the presence of child protection officers and then showed to rhe courts. A child should be believed and protected at all times.
@@christineadam6764tell that to the media … politicians .. the legal system .. pop culture etc … kids are not and usually never ever protected .. come out from under your rock
@@BobbySlackem-fd1uh I don't have to come out from under any rock, didn't you understand my comment. I SAID the kids don't get the attention and care they deserve as young people. Before casting your abrasive comments why not read things through first.......I work with kids/young people in care....27yrs.
@@fyx2304cd2x one of them has manipulated millions and leads one of the two major political parties in our country to this day! I’d take a wild guess and say some of the 40 ppl who liked your post voted for him twice already and will vote again for him. Soooooooo….do yall really want to see the list???
Me too.!!! It was sickening. People aren't aware of what a grand jury is. I certainly wasn't, until I was forced to be on one. An entire month of my life spent in a room at a court house being shown ONLY the evidence from a prosecutor and their point of view. And IF the evidence was found lacking, they made us sit there until we said it was enough. In my opinion, it is an extremely corrupt system. There is truly no 'justice' about it.
what doesn’t shock me is that the list hasn’t been posted yet… pertaining to celebrities with combined billions of dollars… Trump got “special massages” and Chris Tucker got some too… who goes to Epstein’s island for a massage only?
@@Inklenation Exactly !! Man is gone, " victims " were paid off , case closed . But " concerned " guys making money from basement chewing old story again and again. It's profitable . YT pays well !!👍
Yes I grew up in the 80's. This has been the attitude towards women in the justice system. I am so glad to see the outrage. It's appropriate. I was always so mad when I would hear about r^pe cases or abuse cases as a young adult. Can't imagine why no one wants to put themselves thru that experience. 😡😤
It happens all the time. Some crooks feel entitled to human life. They always make strange comments about your family members. The hypocrisy is unreal.
@@reneefredericks3439 Just another selfish narcisist woman. It isnt the norm against women, its the norm against LITTLE PEOPLE. Whats wrong with women always thinking they have it worse when theyre literally the most priviliged group.
To compromise them. In Europe it wouldn't be allowed. Child advocates and female cops are the norm for interviews. Media and television stations are also to blame...catch and kill etc.
I don't think the gender of the person questioning her matters. I think simply the blame put on her, and telling her she committed a crime, is wrong. She didn't commit a crime at all. Multiple were committed against her.
@@ChloeFromUtah It's not shaming the victim , it's called investigation . Some of these " poor girls" were very knowledgable. 14 yo described his private part as " birth defect " !!! How did she know ?? Obviously saw a few and compared.
It was completely inappropriate to have a male conducting that interview. Talk about intimidating. The absence of a female interviewer is, in itself, malpractice.
What an idiotic thing to believe. People are all different and it is much better to talk to a woman, simply because of the fact that men were the abusers in this story. @@Sarcasticron
The wealthy have much more leniency in their treatment than the "little people". Like our ex-president, everyone trying to get him off the hook for his crimes, even the judges in his criminal trials, none of them want to see him tried for anything.
It wasn't a different time back then!!! Everyone understood what a 14 year old victim was except the people involved in this case and pedophiles! What a crazy thing to say! The fact that anyone would try and make that kind of excuse, is part of the problem!
@@kasiabasa587 So sad that still to this day, they victim blame & intimidate victims into not pursuing charges. Every time they have to retell their stories, they are re traumatised. Same everywhere around the world it seems.
Socially brushed under the carpet until the "me too" campaign. Some members of society are trying to make society regress back to those days. Guess who...
I'm beginning to think that we the people need to bring a class action lawsuit to bring disclosure of the names and facts. It's our right to know and it's public records or is supposed to be. Protect the victims NOT the perpetrators.
Anymore, the way this sick world is turning, it's up to the public to DO something! We can't just sit by while these things are going on. A class action lawsuit is our only way to get to the reality of what was truly happening to these children! Where were these kids parents? 😮😢
So, they blame the children for living in the world they were born in... a world the adults created. Instead of taking responsibility and do their job as Adults.
It's the usual isn't it, you go for the people who can't defend themselves from the likes of a high roller Epstein and Maxwell was well off as well and would know everything that should be known. Just how do you get the info out of her, who cares ? Not I.
Wow … I saw your post and looked it up. That’s crazy. And it’s just 3 days since the scotus ruled - immunity for official acts . This man is frightening. What’s worse is that half the population of America loves him
The DA in Florida, Acosta I think, gave Epstein the deal then was a member of 45's cabinet and had to step down when the case in Florida was publicized. Epstein was tipped off for the Florida raid. He was not tipped off once Bill Barr was 45's DOJ. Epstein wanted to pay the 500M cash bond in NY because he knew the Feds had everything/evidence and his goose was cooked. Also, Bill Barr's dad had hired Epstein to teach at an exclusive school even though Epstein dropped out of college and didn't have the credentials to teach.
the fact names are being protected and his accomplice took the time instead of a plea deal is wild. would also be curious if they looked into the two jailers to who said the cameras happened to "malfunction" only during the time he died, to see if theyd made any unusual purchases since.
Those two guards were shopping online when Epstein was Epsteined. One was shopping for new furniture and the other was shopping for a motorcycle. Almost as if they had both just come into some unexpected cash.
He also commissioned an artist to paint some murals in his NYC penthouse. She was so troubled by what she saw involving minors that she quit and went to the NYPD saying she suspected he was trafficking minors, they did nothing. After some months had passed she was still so bothered by what she saw that she went directly to the FBI who also did, you guessed it, nothing !
@@wr-co2fn He "abused " her long time , she waited and hoped and reported him when finally realized she"ll not be Lady of the house on Upper East side .
@@wr-co2fn " Troubled by what she saw " ?? She said : whoever stayed with E&M one day , knew what they"re about . Is so , Why she stayed ?? Not only that , but dragged in her entire family to occasionally stay at His various residences until he got fed up and evicted her . Something wasn't right there .😊
Or why Maxwell isn't made to answer questions. She did a great deal of organizing the girls. She would know everything of importance. Give her to the Mossard.
Bill Clinton and Donald Trump's names are mentioned but they were never accused of anything. Doesn't mean I believe it. Prince Andrew, however, that's another story.
Saying that the adults made a choice to do things for money(OBVIOUSLY this is not the case with r*%e ) is not “victim blaming” There are people in this case that made choices to do things for money, it is different than the children who were forced.
It's so wrong how they questioned that girl who was a child when this happened. Really similar stuff actually happened to me, sadly, when I was a child by a family member. Publicly shaming her like that on a level, I'm sure effected her deeply when she didn't commit a crime--rather, a crime was committed against that child. That is just sick. And that will make an impression on her psyche, as it did mine when such similar things happened to me. It takes a lot of work to undo an impression like that made on her, and there still may always be an undercurrent of blame and shame that she puts on herself.
The Deep state would not be going so hard after a Trump if he was of this. Maybe you are thinking Clinton the man on the actual list. Epstein hated Trump.
It’s scary because when I was a young girl there were a few times I unknowingly was lured into child pred ppl’s homes with candy (surprisingly nothing happened to me because as soon as I got a weird vibe (although getting assaulted was never something I even knew could happen) I got scared and was lucky enough to run away… I’m so surprised I’m still alive.
@@HS-ie8tj Nonsense . 18 y old are allowed to drive , to enlist in army , to marry . These girls were not innocent Violets , knew very well what they're doing .
@@lelanalela7932 Horse pucky! Maybe the teens YOU know don't know the difference between Right and Wrong and don't see a Problem with massaging an old mans junk for Money BUT that's not what Me & My Circle of Friends consider APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR! When did Y'all loose Any Sense of Morals or Values?
The way these young women in the grand jury is beyond atrocious! The victim shaming and blaming should never be allowed like this. The threat as well. I'd love to get the names of those folks! Charges should be brought up of all those in positions that covered this up.
The juror questions are appalling. Teens don’t always think before they act. Expecting them to consider the implications of stupidity in just idiotic beyond
"You were the only person I was afraid of during the (Trump) campaign," Bannon told Epstein. "As well you should have been", replied Epstein. What is Trump hiding?
Wow.. I feel like that prosecutor was wording those questions in a way to scare that child. Scaring her out of testifying. What an injustice for those children that's f****** ridiculous
@@julieb3808 The jurors as well. The vibe that I got was that there was some manipulation in the jury selection. I wonder if it was a man asking those questions.
@@IseeAllOfYou "you're not adult until you're 18" - cite me which research says you get "adult" as an 18 year old teenager. Also cite me research that claims you cannot consent unless you turn "18" I'll wait. Also, their consent was violated not that they didn't consent. But I'll wait for you to present evidence
@lmao-v1u What did I just say? If his name was part of that do you think I would give him some sort of random pass, or is that how CNN has molded you to think? Think for yourself for once.
@@AshJae Actually , mentality about women is much better . Some time ago all these " victims" would end up in jail for Prostitution . Now, they're Crlebrities .😂
The juror saying “he could have hacked you up” followed by “should give it a little further thought” was not an attempt at shaming, that was the juror issuing a direct threat to the victim’s life.
If we heard the tape recording & not transcript the tone would have confirmed or refuted this idea about threats. It is possible a grandmother who actually cared about the child. Not says this is a fact! Am saying it is possible. I would say odds are 50/50 regarding this Q.
I'm a CSA survivor and I read it very differently. IMHO the juror was trying to make the girl aware that she had risked her life by putting herself in such a vulnerable position with Epstein. When he said she should give it further thought, I thought he meant that she should think about how dangerous and risky it was an make sure she doesn't risk her life in future.
You are not a child . This has to have only added to the trauma . A female interviewer who has a background in child psychology would have been more appropiate. What a disgrace.😢
While I agree with this line of thought I’m not sure how beneficial it would have been to have a female present as in many situations wasn’t G Maxwell there during these ‘massages’ etc ? Any sense of support fr another female was fouled by GM betrayal… disgusting
The grand jury questions to the young girl were terrible. There's an age of consent for a reason. If someone is younger than the age of consent you have no right to ask them if the knew what they were doing or what they were getting into. The law quite simply says they don't. They are not old enough or mature enough in the eyes of the law to give an informed consent! What is wrong with these people? They should be helping these young people, not blaming them!
Why was there no emphasis on the fact that Alexander Acosta was the prosecutor who gave Epstein the 1st sweetheart deal then became Trumps Labor Secretary ? I would think thats a pretty important connection
Agree (though I have not watched the entire show). Also the link with (foreign) intelligence since the one significant part of the operation was a honeypot to produce kompromat (compromising videos, photos, audio) to influence key decisionmakers etc. See Whitney Alyse Webb's two books entitled 'One Nation Under Blackmail: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Organized Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein'
The onus should NEVER be placed on a CHILD by any prosecutor, by any judge, by any police officer and by any other adult individual, especially those in a position of power. Anyone under the age of 18 CANNOT LEGALLY CONSENT and 18 is stretching it, in my opinion, legal age of consent should be raised to 21 but I digress. What the prosecutor and jurors did to these victims here is DISTURBING. We as a society need to do better for all victims of child abuse/child s** crimes period!
You just dont want to talk about Trump, everyone is up right now studying night and day about the law, the supreme Courts rulings along with lower courts decisions in relation to immunity for the president and this law and crime RU-vid channel is reporting old Epstein news. We knew this stuff, it has been in all of the shows and documentaries about him and Gilane. The only thing interesting about Epstein is what was Trump doing at his mansion and or island??
Why people like Maxwell aren't questioned, she alone could make a huge difference in divulging details that only she would know now that Jeffery was taken care of.
EGREGIOUS!!!!! WHY are these random grand jury participants allowed to provide personal commentary / opinions to the witnesses ?? Who are they to even be able to offer their offensive and disturbing comments ?? with all due respect to the guest and his insight /reasoning behind the prosecutions bizarre questioning ...not sure about that. A "different time " would be in the 90's or 80's... ugh minors are minors. I don't trust any part of this investigation. We won't know who was paid off-or when.
@@reneenelsen7416 So , in your opinion , all that " victim " needs to do is walk in and demand " compensation " without any questioning ?? That'd be nice and make many women rich .👍
@@reneenelsen7416 while it’s normal for grand jurors to submit questions to be asked by an attorney, I think allowing jurors to DIRECTLY ask those questions seems like a terrible idea. Attorneys are trained on HOW to ask questions that are not LEADING, HOSTILE, etc. *capitalizing is for others that disagree with you. My guess is your statement was meant to specify “direct questioning” by jurors. Forgive me if I’m incorrect in my guess.
@@heckraiser2 I was basing it on when I served on Jury duty, we weren't allowed to talk during the trial and we couldn't ask lawyers to ask questions. We were given a booklet of rules as a jury duty, of violated we could be penalized. We could take notes during the trial, and reflect on them with the group during the next break, and then the Balif would collect them and shred all notes at the end of each break, the Balifs also supervised each break, to make sure we weren't violating any rules. Maybe it's the state I was in, and or the fact the last time I served on Jury duty was about 30 years ago. Once for an auto accident, once for a murder. Be happy to hear back from you. Thank you for inquiring.
You managed to get through this entire half-hour show without ever mentioning former US attorney Alexander Acosta, who was told that Epstein "belongs to intelligence; leave it alone." Lol.
Including Donald John Trump…. A hero for so many trailer parks community wide …always underestimating the size of those trailer parks…. Not that you do, or you may, but I’m guessing some of those 45 likes are voting for him… How does it feel to worship someone like that?
I'm not even going to watch this, it will only get me angry, everyone involved should be prosecuted from the FBI, Judges & Politicians who covered this up to the people who flew to his Island!
We all hope that someone will do the right thing and release the client list, but I feel like deep down they will never release those names. Those people run the world.
