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As a high school student, I was there on that day in 1973 when the Ling was dedicated and opened to the public. I remember the speakers, and even a former U-boat captain was an invited guest. The museum started with so much promise, and it's a shame what has happened to it.
Thank you for telling the Ling's story. My grandfather served on her and was one of the veterans who lobbied for her to become a museum. He used to take me there when I was little and I remember all the pride the old guys had in that vessel. I even had a few birthday parties there. It's a shame what happened to the Ling over the years and I hope someday she makes it to restoration.
Hi Ryan. Great video on the Ling. In the months before the pandemic, I was the photographer for the restoration effort that was going on at the time. I had full access to the ship and every weekend there were scores of volunteers doing everything from removing water and oil soaked mattresses from the ship, to fire trucks using the water pressure of their hoses to blast the silt from around the ship in an effort to free her. The restoration effort was huge, people and companies donated generators, pumps, oil absorbing material and cleaning supplies. Then Covid hit everything came to a halt. I don't know what happened after that, I heard that the effort attempted to restart but there were some problems between some of the leaders of the effort. I'm sure that those people will see this video and hopefully chime in on what really happened and what the future might hold. Before the pandemic, I completed one documentary episode of what was supposed to be a continuing series of the restoration and recovery of the Ling. My video features Roy Venckus, who served on the Ling when she was a training vessel. Roy gives us a tour of every part of the ship and you can clearly see what the extent of the damage and how much work had been accomplished so far. Again Ryan, top work by you and your team. I always look forward to new episodes on this channel. The video is on my channel, or follow this link. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vkX_PtdJIpg.html
@@bret9741 Ryan over at the Battleship New Jersey talks about this all the time. The Navy disables the vessels and donates them under the stipulation that they will not attempt to reactivate them, and they could face vandalism charges if they tried.
I used to pass it a lot as a child and still do sometimes when I go down to visit friends. Always make me so sad to see her in that state. They recently started developing the area around her as well and I worry the only way they will be able to get her out of there will be by cutting her up for scrap and hauling her out on big rigs.
Ι understand you totally. From a small child i used to go on float museum Fletcher class destroyer at Athens it have huge history before and after the rendition from USN to Hellenic war navy. We still preservation it and it is in great condition like it came right from the shipyard.i wish one day to visit a balao class submarine or Gato
@@couriersix8294 The problem is that you're talking about steel that is, at this point, 80 years old. The last thing you want to do is to cut the whole ship to pieces, because she likely would not go back together again in nearly the same condition.
Ling was an excellent example of an unmodified submarine in her WW2 condition. We visited the submarine many times even taking our nephews from NYC to visit it, they'd never heard of it.
Grew to love the USS LING went aboard many times as a paying customer to the museum with family and friends. I support the USS LING she is worth saving and restoring.
I looked at this old boat every day for years, as the Hackensack bus terminal is directly across the street. I love this ship. I worked in the recovery efforts of Sandy in Bergen and Passaic Counties after the storm. My first thoughts were of the Ling when Moonachie had to be evacuated. I can't stress enough how damaged all of the Hackensack and Passaic River communities were affected, but I always hoped Ling would be saved from the silt. I had heard about the hatches being left open after a break in, but she had been taking on water for years. That old boat deserves love, and if she makes it to the Ohio River, I think I'll cry tears of joy.
Wow I was in this submarine during a tour I went on as a kid, it was a really cool sub, Its insane how its still sitting there getting old like any other machine these days... its kinda cool but tragic and it should be a proper museum ship again!
Been on the Ling many times as a youngster (I’m 60 now). Brought my own children. This was one of my favorite things and often begged people to take me. It definitely helped spark my love of history and all things museum. This breaks my heart.
Hi all. I used to give tours on the Ling and served as an Ensign in a Sea Explorer Unit (like the Boy Scouts) that was assigned to the Ling long ago. We painted the entire exterior of the vessel, and I enjoyed sleeping aboard and learning how to operate many of the systems. I'm sad to see how it got neglegted. Even back then there was no way to move it, as much as I appreciate attempts to do so. The outer hull was rusted thru.
Your comment about the cost of moving the submarine is correct. I belong to a historic preservation group, and we own 2 houses that we had to move. The 2nd house we moved had funds provided by the company wanting to use the land. The escrow was set at around $100k. That paid for the new plot, moving expenses and creating a new basement/foundation. That was it. Now we have to wait for more grants and such to fix up the house with the ultimate objective to be sold. That stage is where the first house we were gifted, where its been for the last 20 years.
Living here in Massachusetts I've been to battleship cove in Fall River, the USS Massachusetts is a very impressive ship. The submarine definitely needs to be restored and appreciated.
My family and I got to tour the USS Pampanito a few years ago in San Francisco.. It was an awesome experience!! I hope they are able to save this piece of Naval history as too many WWII navel vessels have been sunk or scraped over the years. We also had the oppertunity to tour the USS Iowa Battleship last year in San Diego and even took the gun tour to access the 5in and 16in gun tourents! I encourage everyone who can to go! A disabled US Army Veteran 😃
I too have toward the submarine pampanito San Francisco. Among many things, I was impressed and amazed at how these brave men lived and fought in such a confined space. The movies do not do it Justice. With all that being said I'm going to make this simple. Please save this sub. The silhouette on this sub is quite different from the old world war II subs and we need to save her.
Thanks for making this. I worked near the ling for years. It's so sad it's state. Worked with the group trying to save her. It seems to be a lost cause now
You mean the father who "served on it in WWII'? Newsflash: It didn't see any service during WWII. Hell. It never saw any service whatsoever. It was a completely unremarkable submarine of a completely unremarkable class of submarines and should have been scrapped a half a century ago.
@@iamgrowler Newsflash … it was in service during WW2 even though not in combat. The father served on it and obviously wanted it preserved. The son obviously had no concern for his fathers wishes. 2nd newsflash…. You are not the sharpest tool in the shed
We have a World War II submarine , the USS Requib ,ib Pittsburgh on the Allegheny River that is open for tourists. It's part of the Carnegie Science Museum. Let us hope the plans to restore it and move it to the naval museum in Louisville,Ky is successful. It's an important part of our nation's history.
this submarine was docked here in downtown Tampa when i moved here in 1971 and a few years later it was on it's way to Pittsburgh. i am so happy to see it is still afloat and well.
The Louisville guys ran the P-520. That was seized by US Marshals in 2022. The group never had official permission to do anything on Ling and still don't.
Such memories: I discovered the Ling whilst visiting Valley Fair which was nearby. Visted a few times and was absolutely enamored with it. I even had a birthday party back on the Ling in 2002 after eating at Callahan's nearby. I'll never forget the frequent visits and how well researched and catalogued the ship and adjoining museum were (they also had a midget sub and Japanese suicide torpedo if I recall correctly. Would save the sub myself if i had the money but, alas. Hopefully she can be saved or even preserved in some way instead of simply sold for scrap
I grew up in Bergen county not far from the Hackensack river. My mom took myself and some friends for a tour of the sub for my birthday back in the mid eighties. Sad that it has been abandoned and is now stuck in its sorrowful state.
Visited Ling as a Boy Scout years ago. Almost got to do an overnight there which would have been cool but didn’t pan out. Been following the story and hopefully they will secure her for the future. Would be awesome to see her moved next to the New Jersey.
This is disgusting what the State of NJ has done for this piece of History.....When I was a kid I've been on her many times and was a true treasure....smh.
The state of NJ never owned or operated the Ling. And the fact that there has been zero ship traffic that far up river for decades so no river channel dredging has been done nor have the bridges been opened for decades
@@kirkstinson7316 , Yes but the state has a treasure here n plenty of money but only cares about Taxing People who are American NJ Folks....Murphy is a carpetbagger....and that's the bottom line.
Very sad. I visited this museum over 10 years ago. It was a wonderful museum. They also had a Vietnam era PBR River Patrol Boat. That alone was my reason to visit. The Ling was an amazing tour. We learned a lot about how it operated and was able to walk the entire length of the inside and outside.
My father spoke with the person in charge and he said the boat was ours . No one but my father and i for over the hour we spent on board. I have been on several boats but this is the one I will cherish. I so hope they save her
I got a chance to visit the submarine with my Opa and Dad when it was still in good condition and afloat. It was a really cool and exciting experience for me. Everything was very well preserved and even almost everything worked at the time (This was early 2000-2002 my memory is a bit hazy on that). Its a memory I will cherish and hold dear to me forever. I pass by it from time to time. Seeing its tower peer over the construction fences hoping that some preservation work is going on. Love and Miss you Opa. Thank you for all the core memories that I never knew how important they are to me until now.
This is sad, As a kid who grew up in NJ, I lived less than 10 miles away from where she was docked. My family & I toured this ship when I was a teenager. I moved out of the area in 1995. I had no idea she was in this dire situation. I really hope one day she can be restored & maybe made part of the nearby Intrepid Museum in NYC or The Battleship New Jersey memorial in Camden NJ.
Had one of my son’s birthday onboard one Saturday in January in the early ‘80’s. They had no heat onboard. Boy it was cold but we loved visiting the historical boat. I also remember the Moth Ball Fleet in the Hudson years earlier
I followed the story the Ling being obtained as a teen. I’ve driven past it countless times and in my rush to get where I was going, I regret never taking the time to stop and visit the Museum.
Honestly Florida needs a ton of museum ships. For some reason we have almost none. I would love to see somewhere in FL get this boat and bring it to some city here in FL like Jacksonville or Pensacola which are huge Navy towns!
I know it's mentioned it was the last of its type, but isn't there another Balao-class submarine, USS Pampanito in San Fransisco? The one they used in the movie Down Periscope (USS Stingray)? Even though, I hope the team are able to do the huge tow to it's new home. That would be a great video on its own. 🙂
6 Balao class still exist although some underwent conversions post-war so they are not still in their WW2 configuration. The group he mentions has been defunct for some time now, the boats sits rotting.
@@islandrevenant5746 the Lionfish is a Balao class boat on display up in Fall River Massachusetts that was never altered from her WW2 config. The Pompanito and Bowfin may be also.
My family and I got to tour the USS Pampanito a few years ago in San Francisco.. It was an awesome experience!! I hope they are able to save this piece of Naval history as too many WWII navel vessels have been sunk or scraped over the years. We also had the oppertunity to tour the USS Iowa Battleship last year in San Diego and even took the gun tour to access the 5in and 16in gun tourents! I encourage everyone who can to go! A disabled US Army Veteran 😃
The Urban explorers also released a video of the sub and it was already flooded. I had been following him for years and he released video last year and water had clearly been there awhile but not to long. The "stolen plate" a board member had it. You can see in a video in Ling Channel where outside torpedo area was heavily damaged by rust and evidence of water getting in.
I am glad they caught those "Urban Explorers" (probably posted their crime on RU-vid) and that they charged them. Them ransaking this ship is no different then the grave robbing of the Tombs of Giza in Egypt in the 1800's. So much lost for absolutely no good reason but theft!
From what I’ve read the plaques that went misses were not stolen and were in fact taken by s member of the submarines preservation group and were returned once they were thought to have been stolen.
Yea and they made a whole video showing how they where not involved and the boat already had water in it if I’m not mistaken there was reports it flooded a few weeks or days before they shit there video they where under water in the ship also some one from museum had the stuff thought to be stolen
I live a mile away. No one believed me when I told them about the submarine USS Ling. I went aboard before COVID shut them down for a while. Great group trying to help restore the ship
Reminds me of the state of the S.S. UNITED STATES in Philadelphia rusting and rotting away; waiting for financial rescue that's never coming. USS LING is different; a priceless artifact and tribute to so many submariners who gave their lives in WW 2
I was on the USS ling when I was a kid...its a shame that these old ships and military bases that are closed then abandoned end up that way but they do.. im not sure what the answer is but something should be done...
Great video! I would really enjoy a video on the uss inaugural. The former museum ship in Saint Louis that sank during the flood of 1993 and still sits on the bottom of the Mississippi River
Even if they could get the Ling freed from the bottom of the Hackensack River, and into the channel, I have heard that the swing bridge immediately to the south of the Ling may not be able to open up to allow her through. If the bridge cannot open up, the Ling is stuck, as the vertical clearance at mean high water is 3 feet. Even during the lowest tide of the year, the entire superstructure would have to be cut away, lifted off the hull, and transported around the bridge only to have to be reattached later, with additional costs for each step along the way.
The Ling could be preserved right where it sits inside a cofferdam and supported in a dry enclosure. I don't think moving her is a realistic plan because it is very risky and there is no home to go to. The bridges south of the Ling's position can all be cleared as the drawbridges open and the rest will clear with the scopes lowered. Sad sad affair
Had my 1975 5 year old birthday party on the Ling. I felt like I was a king when I got my captain's hat! Also i work in the Monmouth County Courthouse pictured at 11:12 how ironic.
A sub is not a ship. Regardless of size. They are called a boat. From being moored to a tender in the 20,s akin to a sow suckling piglets. Subs were called pigboats, then boats by their crew.
I've visited this Fleetboat several times. Joe Monganelli was one of the Guides that happened to be a WWII Sub Mariner PTO Veteran. Several opportunities to spend hours aboard exploring the entire vessel. The places that the general public never gets to see aboard most Sub Museums. Pump Room, Conning Tower, Auxiliary Engine Room Battery Compartments. I lived less than 100 miles away from it till I was 11 years old, wish I knew of it then. Always was fascinated by Submarines, never visited one until I visited the Drum in Mobile AL. In 2010. It's a Shame.
I think it would be worth it to take a couple of neglected ships that can't draw crowds, and put them together in a museum. It would be nice to see this ship set up inside somewhere so she doesn't have to continually battle the elements
Jacksonville , Fla is currently looking for more vessels for their Naval museum on the St Johns River. Currently the Destroyer USS Orleck is the only vessel there. I visited her last summer. She had some preservation work done abd a fresh coat of paint and looks outstanding. Perhaps if the folks there were contacted about the Ling they may be interested.
My Grandfather retired from the Brooklyn Navy Yard in the late 70's and followed the news stories about the USS Ling. We went to visit her when she was moved to Hackensack. He also loved catching and eating Cod fish!
Work in Hackensack, She's still here. The Record news paper buildings are long gone and replaced with Apartments. I like to think the LING is quietly laughing at out last the Record buildings.
I followed the Louisville group on facebook. The whole Kentucky plan fell apart. There was no funding for the proposed naval museum as i remember so they continued to try to work without a destination. Eventually their whole plan fell apart and they even lost the crash boat they had due to money issues.
This is a very sad story. The interior of the sub was nearly pristine, with displays of equipment [some interactive] and SO much equipment and other artifacts destroyed by vandals. I am happy to see it still exists in a reasonable condition, and hope it can live on somewhere.
As a resident of Louisville, I can confidently say that the Ling museum ship could never be solvent. There just aren't enough interested people here for it to work.
My Dad was assigned to the Ling when she was in the Brooklyn Navy Yard, he was a Chief Engineman. I went there many times with him when I was a kid. I remember there was a sunken tug boat behind Ling and my Dad would tell me they sank it by accident one morning. The Ling was his last assignment and he retired in 1966.
You should update the story of the Ling! The efforts of the Louisville group ran into roadblocks that were set up by members of the Submarine Memorial group (original owners). Every effort they (LNM) put into the Sub was thwarted. The Ling now sits abandoned and again likely swamped as the temp repairs were never made permanent. It is now likely that the Ling might wind up being scrapped as the Navy will not spend any money to retrieve the Ling.
That damned judge is just symptomatic of the bullsh-t our courts have become! Those five should have gotten the FULL ten years and not one second less.
Have you even studied the court proceedings, to see what exactly happened? Might very well be that the boat already was filling up before they entered.
Thanks for the report on the Ling- I have lots of fond memories of visiting it as child and have many friends who are actively volunteering on its restoration.
I am an experienced engineer working for an aerospace company. I would be honored to donate (for free to be clear) any help I am capable of to help find solutions to save this piece of history. If anybody involved with the sub is interested in me taking a look, please reach out to me.
I had the pleasure to tour the Ling before she was vandalized - Lord, that seems so long ago. I had no idea it must have been before 2012, but I feel like maybe it was after? My wife and I had basically a private tour of her from a wonderfully nice and knowledgeable gentleman. Anyway; I was furious when I heard about how those idiots broke into her and swamped her. I live in NJ, and it would have been great to see her alongside the Big J or even across the river with the Olympia. Luckily, I have the memories, foggy as they are, as well as a souvenir Ballcap from her in my collection. Thanks for highlighting the Ling. I truly hope she is able to be restored, and I hope to tour her again.
we did a yearly trip to visit this sub all thru the 1970's and 1980's. Sad that we have money for stupid things, but not for history. Truth is, the NJ Government could send an industrial crane down there, pull it out in an afternoon and put it on land. Instead, they let good citizens toil with buckets and fundraisers. Classic NJ.
The entire boat below the attack center was ruined by water. Maybe it could be towed to Groton Connecticut where the students and active military can fix it up. Otherwise I'm thinking the only practical thing to do is save the conning tower, deck guns, anchors, and attack center for a memorial.
As a child from the Bergen County area back in naval museum days, was always proud to have the Ling not far from my neighborhood. Hoping for far greater things for our proud warrior. 😎
Dreamers, the naval world is full of them. I can say that as I have first hand experience with dreamers as I have been a volunteer on a warship for going on 26 years. I have personally restored many spaces by myself, at my expense, and the ship pretty much breaks even and this ship dwarfs the Ling. We had dreamers in the early days.I wouldn't hold out hope for these guys wanting to move it to Louisville. I recall how long it took to move Hoga out of Suisun to Arkansas. A friend was Captain on the boat when part of the Oakland Fire Department and I have been all over it. It's two advantages were size and Pearl Harbor history.
The Intrepid Museum may instead be an option for the men in Kentucky; WAY cheaper to move to (I'm guessing) and at a location that may have more visitors than they realize.
Hi Ryan, in 2019 i visited the USS Yorktown at patriots point South Carolina. one of the ships at patriots point was the guppy class submarine Clamagore . this submarine was the last guppy class boat left and i understand since i visited the submarine it has been sunk off the east coast of Florida as part of a reef project. this is another big loss of a historic submarine. we just seem to throw our history away in this country and we should all hang our heads in shame about this. i loved this video, and i can't wait to see more of them.
The USS Ling has served her country honorably and helped educate thousands. Rather than continue to watch it deteriorate in a muddy river the time has come for the Ling to be professionally scraped. Perhaps it's material can be used on a future warship.
This is an excellent option for Ling. BB62 is going into dry dock for maintenance soon. The NJ legislature approved almost half of the $10 million expense to perform hull restoration. Clearly, the museum knows the secrets of getting funding for battleship preservation. Ling could share in the proceeds if she was part of the museum. Also, BB62 is docked in fresh water which is less corrosive to the hulls. Maybe the Kentucky investors could get Ling to the museum first, make repairs then move it on to KY after raising some money from visitor ticket sales. Otherwise, Ling is not going to survive where she sits on the bottom now.
I remember going with family back in the 90’s. I hope it gets restored. If it stays in Jersey I think it may be better suited alongside the uss New Jersey. Or maybe even lifted out of the water if that’s possible and placed in a park
Its really sad to see these ww2 era ships in such neglected shape, if the present group that is trying to preserve her cannot it would be nice to try and tow it up to battleship cove in Fall River MA. And park her next to her sister the USS Lionfish, which is also in pretty sad shape now but is still open to the public as a museum ship.
That group he mentions is defunct. Battleship Cove struggles to fund every project they have now, the last thing they need is a duplicate money pit unfortunately.
