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@denizc0c210
@denizc0c210 7 месяцев назад
Green = Louis Vuitton Imagination Orange = LV Afternoon Swim Black=PDM Layton Green/Blue =Bvlgari Tygar And Yes💯%
@captainsonypony2709
@captainsonypony2709 5 месяцев назад
What smells better the swim or imagination clone ?
@denizc0c210
@denizc0c210 5 месяцев назад
@@captainsonypony2709 Unfortunately, I only have the Imagination Clone and have no idea how close it is to the Louis Vuitton.
@captainsonypony2709
@captainsonypony2709 5 месяцев назад
@@denizc0c210 thanks for your take on this
@charlesrichardson5490
@charlesrichardson5490 5 месяцев назад
The green is fire 🔥
@impec
@impec 4 месяца назад
@@charlesrichardson5490 Performance ?
@brewno
@brewno 7 месяцев назад
I got Quatre IV and Deux II; received the Quatre and it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. Thank you for this video, as I checked it before buying them. And also thank you for the discount code.
@someonesomeone2022
@someonesomeone2022 3 месяца назад
How is the longevity?
@xAvi-PR
@xAvi-PR 7 месяцев назад
Imagination, afternoon swim, California Dream and L Immensite are citrus bombs. All beautiful summer frags
@lncf9364
@lncf9364 7 месяцев назад
Which one is the immensite clone?
@xAvi-PR
@xAvi-PR 7 месяцев назад
@@lncf9364 There’s a few but I have Alhambra’s Jean Lowe Immortal
@Juan-O24
@Juan-O24 7 месяцев назад
Green sounds like LV imagination. Great haul, Ross.
@devontegordon593
@devontegordon593 7 месяцев назад
Green is a clone of LV Imagination
@arman8097
@arman8097 7 месяцев назад
Is it good as a clone or as a scent over all?
@devontegordon593
@devontegordon593 7 месяцев назад
@@arman8097 I’m not sure, I just noticed immediately by the notes
@markangeldizon9333
@markangeldizon9333 5 месяцев назад
I've got Deux today. Oh my!!! Love the smell! 10/10 😍🫠🫠🫠
@qarhsi
@qarhsi 3 месяца назад
You liked the first one so much I thought you'd rate it closer to 10. Like a 9.5 perhaps. But 8.5 seemed a bit lower compared to your reaction. Nonetheless, I'd like to own the afternoon swim bottle, hopefully can get my hands on one soon
@achilles3540
@achilles3540 Месяц назад
@@qarhsi I was thinking the same thing. He’s been going on and on about the orange bottle
@captainsonypony2709
@captainsonypony2709 7 месяцев назад
Seems like a great haul and im happy you reviewed this will definitely being purchasing these thanks Ross
@MRJLS15
@MRJLS15 7 месяцев назад
I am so excited for what fragrances that paris Corner does this year
@itayr4827
@itayr4827 5 месяцев назад
Pretty funny hearing you talk about Turathi blue while wearing a hat with TB on it lol
@Joel_Matrix
@Joel_Matrix 7 месяцев назад
The orange bottle: Afternoon swim is really interesting 🤔
@RoyAbhijit1104
@RoyAbhijit1104 7 месяцев назад
Eagerly waiting for all of those detailed reviews
@PersisMagdaleno-ms1gc
@PersisMagdaleno-ms1gc 7 месяцев назад
I've got to get my hands on these!! Thanks Ross 🙌🏼
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358 7 месяцев назад
THIS is IT! THE North Stag Expressions is collection for me to get! The 3 FRESHIES will be put in the shopping cart BUT the floral/vanilla one, is having me on the fence though. I wish they have totally skipped vanilla for this series... 😖 As there's an EXCESSIVE offer of vanillic fragrances out there. Amazing content, Ross!!
@The_Mavs_Are_Bums
@The_Mavs_Are_Bums 7 месяцев назад
There's a lot of freshie scents out there too. There's a lot of every type of fragrance out there now. Not too much is all that unique in this day and age.
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358 7 месяцев назад
@@The_Mavs_Are_Bums I am probably a lot older than you, and as my olfactive memory recalls, vanilla was *non-existant* in masculine perfumery in the 70s, in the 80s and most of the 90s. Having the exception of JPG Le male, lauched in 1995 - This fragrance was very popular at night in clubs, but I felt it so unpleasant back then, being that bothering "dusty smell" to my nose... Fast forward 30 years, I still don't own any single JPG Le male flanker in my collection, as I don't own any Versace Eros yet today. I eventually got a Lolita Lempicka Au Masculin in 2010, which I may have sprayed out about 5 times ever since, it just doesn't work well with me. I save it just for the sake of having it. The "Gourmand" scents smell very unnatural to may nose, and I get instant headaches as a reaction against them. Ambroxan, which is totally synthetic, was not used heavily anytime in the perfume industry. It was never mainstream, until De Machi put it in Dior Sauvage, about a decade ago. For me, a person who love perfumery across the ages, the last 15 years have been very challenging, having so many indistinguishable sweet "weird smelling" fragrances, through MY personal perspective, of course. Today, I literally gag with Paco Rabanne, Azzaro, JPG and Versace new creations. They are so HEAVILY sweet and I genuinely CAN'T find any attractiveness in dessert-like smelling humans. Well... It is what it is... but for the sake of my sanity, I just crossout, anything vanilla during my personal olfactive journey.
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358 7 месяцев назад
@@The_Mavs_Are_Bums Thank you for interacting! ✌️
@The_Mavs_Are_Bums
@The_Mavs_Are_Bums 7 месяцев назад
@@vanderleitadeudesouza3358 I got ya. We all like what we like and ya I take it your quite a bit older. I'm 37 and am into a variety of different scents. But I definitely understand that the sweet stuff wasn't around when you got into the hobbie so it's just not your thing.
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358
@vanderleitadeudesouza3358 7 месяцев назад
@@The_Mavs_Are_Bums You got it all! CHEERS!
@Bulent03
@Bulent03 7 месяцев назад
Paris Corner North Stag Expressions III (green) is LV Imagination the black one is Layton
@johncarloburton5611
@johncarloburton5611 7 месяцев назад
Awesome reviews Ross. I will probably pick up the orange one for sure
@TODOMATIO
@TODOMATIO 6 месяцев назад
Same here !!!!
@maomedina1972
@maomedina1972 7 месяцев назад
Excelent video and work !!!
@philiproberts7748
@philiproberts7748 Месяц назад
Got my bottle of North Stag Deux today. It smells and wears like Layton. Funny, mine is a bit on the soft side. Maybe it needs maturation (as a lot of Paris Corner fragrances). I've owned Layton and this one is spot on because it is rich, thick with high quality oils like the OG. Phenomenal, just hope it gets louder :))
@toxic24h8
@toxic24h8 7 месяцев назад
The afternoon swim clone is so beast mode bro, i have it and i can smell it on clothing the next day very strong too
@joelcolon116
@joelcolon116 7 месяцев назад
How long it last on skin
@joanna1115
@joanna1115 6 месяцев назад
@@joelcolon116 The scent stays on the skin for up to 10 hours. Really worth.
@waltezwebb1472
@waltezwebb1472 7 месяцев назад
Great video I’m going check them out sotd Mancera cosmic pepper 👍🔥💯
@ArcangeloOfficial25
@ArcangeloOfficial25 7 месяцев назад
The orange one sounds DELICIOUS!🥵🍊🍊🍊
@klonhunter
@klonhunter 7 месяцев назад
I really hope they perform decent cause these look and sound great
@joneasley5050
@joneasley5050 7 месяцев назад
Lv imagination is the 3rd one. Great fragrance
@trimun2540
@trimun2540 7 месяцев назад
Received deux, my god this stuff is amazing
@rishabhtripathi1175
@rishabhtripathi1175 5 месяцев назад
Is it better than Detour Noir?
@trimun2540
@trimun2540 5 месяцев назад
@@rishabhtripathi1175 for sure
@wailsakhri137
@wailsakhri137 7 месяцев назад
Yep agree with that they nailed it
@TODOMATIO
@TODOMATIO 6 месяцев назад
OK you have my attention.orange is what I'm eyeing ❤. Also we have similar scent taste which is rare
@Stephen_T_Stephan
@Stephen_T_Stephan 7 месяцев назад
Green bottle is Imagination from LV.
@Blazntrax81
@Blazntrax81 7 месяцев назад
Great video Ross
@apollorussell738
@apollorussell738 2 месяца назад
Great review Ross🎉
@alunwidjaja6498
@alunwidjaja6498 7 месяцев назад
If it have Black tea note in the green one, its definitely dupe of LV imagination. No wonder note breakdown seems familiar.
@jppascual1523
@jppascual1523 7 месяцев назад
Black Panther still the best Tygar for me 👍🏻
@jamesstarks3676
@jamesstarks3676 7 месяцев назад
I am talking to you like you're in the room.... lol. I'm saying, "Yeah"? When you sprayed the first one on you..... man...this is exciting stuff and we're only on Quatra!
@njr497
@njr497 7 месяцев назад
THe 3rd one is cloning LV Imagination
@peterkorbulak7598
@peterkorbulak7598 7 месяцев назад
Hi Ross 👋 Very interesting collection indeed! I own 3 Stag Stars square bottles and all 3 are amazing 🤩 Very curious about orange one since your face got so exited 😊 BTW watch out for very first sprays from bottle! Always full of alcoholic medleys..😎
@ManwithScents
@ManwithScents 7 месяцев назад
Good morning everyone hope you’re all having an excellent day!
@gonzalesa101
@gonzalesa101 7 месяцев назад
I bought all 3. I can't wait to smell them
@toxic24h8
@toxic24h8 7 месяцев назад
You will love it bro, the orange one is really strong and long lasting
@someonesomeone2022
@someonesomeone2022 3 месяца назад
How did you find quartre?
@ricksanson5459
@ricksanson5459 3 месяца назад
I had to impulse buy quatre after i heard your take on it. I swear though this is the last fragrance ill buy for a while 😅 🤥😵‍💫
@ricksanson5459
@ricksanson5459 3 месяца назад
Update: I just got my hands on 4 and it's amazing, is it weird that I get a note of taco bell chips? Anyways I love it, already want a back up bottle!
@drahaman
@drahaman 5 месяцев назад
I need aroma concepts to stock back up with Quarte IV. I could use a comparison between 1UN and Sospiro Vibrato.
@jimclark6243
@jimclark6243 7 месяцев назад
Ordered Un and Deux. Fingers crossed that they are relatively close.
@lncf9364
@lncf9364 7 месяцев назад
What do you think?
@jimclark6243
@jimclark6243 7 месяцев назад
@@lncf9364 ordered Jan 15 and my email said to expect 6 day delivery in the US. I'm in KC, not sure where they are shipping from but weather has been an issue. Hopefully it arrives soon.
@jimclark6243
@jimclark6243 7 месяцев назад
@@lncf9364 This is recap is going to be disappointing, sorry in advance. 1. I also bought UN and I have a decant of Tygar. Opening seems synthetic on both but darker and with a slight undercurrent of black pepper with UN. At this point it's more grapefruit than fake citrus but Un still has that dark pepper attribute. Both take a long time to settle down. Seriously, a very long time compared to every other scent I have. After the wait, 45 min. to an hour for me they are absolutely indistinguishable. 2. Deux, I don't have Layton and I've never experienced it so I can't do a direct comparison, that's the disappointment I was referring to. It's such a popular, ubiquitous scent that I wanted to get the experience on the cheap. I found it to be a gorgeous scent that's unlike anything I currently have. Wish I could say that it ended up being as good a clone as UN but I can't yet. I am searching out a decant for comparison.
@CAV_RAJ
@CAV_RAJ 6 месяцев назад
@@jimclark6243 How about performance of un?
@ricksanson5459
@ricksanson5459 3 месяца назад
Update: I just got my hands on 4 and it's amazing, is it weird that I get a note of taco bell chips? Anyways I love it, already want a back up bottle!
@someonesomeone2022
@someonesomeone2022 3 месяца назад
Longevity?😊
@ricksanson5459
@ricksanson5459 3 месяца назад
@@someonesomeone2022 the longevity doesn't feel very long to me personally. Maybe a couple hours and then it's a skin scent, however I haven't officially done a legit wearing out and about or at work.
@wailsakhri137
@wailsakhri137 7 месяцев назад
Got same reaction as mine Its because tygar, afternoon Swim kind of all play in the same ground thats why you lost it
@WendyWiseBeauty
@WendyWiseBeauty 5 месяцев назад
Thanks on the great review on Quatre!
@desuschryst382
@desuschryst382 5 месяцев назад
Just Bought North Stag III
@eurohev5336
@eurohev5336 2 месяца назад
Will probably buy UN, as my bottle of Turathi Blue is almost dry. 😅
@twice2wice
@twice2wice 2 месяца назад
New to the channel! Great content. Do you have a video on unique, own creation arabic/budget fragrances that are worth the money?
@jarodsmith7664
@jarodsmith7664 3 месяца назад
LV imagination is on my grab list but for 260 compared to 35-50 seems like a no brainer.
@allenfitch2996
@allenfitch2996 6 месяцев назад
Quatre 4 is a sping time pickup for me
@thebody05
@thebody05 7 месяцев назад
The orange sounds interesting
@CasualFragrance
@CasualFragrance 7 месяцев назад
f, i just ordered detour noir. i couldn't find the woods' dusk, loyal agar or exclusif blue in my country. hopefully i won't be able to find this in my country too because im done owning multiple clones of the same fragrance.
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
Great to know
@trimun2540
@trimun2540 7 месяцев назад
Paris Corner is on fire
@haydenhoupt4772
@haydenhoupt4772 7 месяцев назад
RIP my turathi Blue. Weird bottle shape and it fell one too many times... maybe this will replace it
@milicastoilkov1760
@milicastoilkov1760 2 месяца назад
can North stag Uno also be used for women?
@ScentOn
@ScentOn 7 месяцев назад
last one is PDM Layton
@coolsam5000
@coolsam5000 5 месяцев назад
Do you prefer quarta here the afternoon swim clone or Mancera French Riviera?
@leolemke8338
@leolemke8338 7 месяцев назад
They sound interesting and I would hope that the Tygar one is better than Theoreme although for a 20 dollar clone of a 300 dollar masterpiece I find Theoreme an excellent value for anyone starting out or unaware of how amazing the scent profile of Bvlgari Tygar is I
@neszorrowatkins5830
@neszorrowatkins5830 5 месяцев назад
The green and orange bottles are sold out. I guess they are fire.😮
@spamdung914
@spamdung914 7 месяцев назад
Orientica Royal bleu is the best dupe of Layton by far. It's pretty much 1 to 1 and better performance
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
👍
@888YouCantHandle
@888YouCantHandle 7 месяцев назад
It's widely considered the best. I am curious how Duex conpares to it? Maybe you can do a video comparison?
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
👍
@richmoneycash1
@richmoneycash1 7 месяцев назад
I have LV Imagination, Afternoon swim. I might have to try these so I won't run through these. Could the Blue one be L'Immensite? They are made by the same perfumer.
@manuelv6061
@manuelv6061 2 месяца назад
Brother can you do a review on Maison Alhambra tygar clone Specte Bronzite 🔥
@kellenwood9715
@kellenwood9715 Месяц назад
@tltgreviews hey man, fellow Saints fan that just found the channel Who Dat! How was the longevity on these and which one lasted the longest overall?
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews Месяц назад
Please reference my full review videos for each of these. Who dat
@kellenwood9715
@kellenwood9715 Месяц назад
Thank you sir!
@qjustblessed1
@qjustblessed1 7 месяцев назад
Great Video Ross lol that Layton got ya good. We should do lunch sometime since we stay within 20 mins of each other 😂😂😂😂 anyway stay blessed King.
@Savag3Tun3chi3
@Savag3Tun3chi3 7 месяцев назад
Ill wait till it goes down in price
@polanialmoni6274
@polanialmoni6274 Месяц назад
Is there a one of orage and meteor?
@3than714
@3than714 3 месяца назад
how long does the orange one last?
@achmadzaini3551
@achmadzaini3551 7 месяцев назад
once I heard citron and sicilian orange, i think the green one is gonna be dupe of lv imagination
@vermilliontoaster3063
@vermilliontoaster3063 7 месяцев назад
Ooo that’s interesting!
@DaVinciDvo818
@DaVinciDvo818 7 месяцев назад
Hey Ross, I was checking these out and the site descriptions and what you read off were all jumbled. The listing on their site for Un didnt mention Ambroxan at all. I am completely confused 🤣
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
The site might have the wrong description. That came from the actual box. You have to look at me while I'm talking to see I'm reading the box 😂
@DaVinciDvo818
@DaVinciDvo818 7 месяцев назад
@@TLTGReviews 😂 I was, I even watched the video back to double check. Awesome review on the scents and thank you for your quick reply. Are there any other ones you’ve gotten from paris corner worth checking out?
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
I'm just messin' with ya lol. Rifaaqat, Camaro Homme Intense, Khair Pistachio, Vibrant Vetiver Delight are all favorites of mine
@sophfragrant1521
@sophfragrant1521 7 месяцев назад
Is the orange one unisex or masculine? I love a good citrus (especially when it’s orange)
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
Very much unisex. Anyone can enjoy this
@joanna1115
@joanna1115 6 месяцев назад
I've had the orange one and I'm in love. Beautiful, fresh scent, great durability, I could bathe in it... @sophfragrant1521
@cravey
@cravey 7 месяцев назад
Try Amber Oud Exclusif Bleu (Layton clone). That is some good good and imo the best Layton clone on the market.
@toxic24h8
@toxic24h8 7 месяцев назад
There are videos about it, that exklusif bleu is not original from al haramain. So somebody is cloning the clone lol. I can’t find it on fragrantica anymore too
@cravey
@cravey 7 месяцев назад
@@toxic24h8 yep, I have it and it is really nice. I wanna see Ross opinion on it, would be a good video. I would recommend it if you can find it at the $50 range.
@brentmartin580
@brentmartin580 7 месяцев назад
Idk if I got a bad batch or what but I do not like Amber Our Exclusif Bleu at all and definitely don’t get any Layton out of it. I’ve compared them side by side and just can’t jump on board with the Amber Oud. It smells extremely synthetic and cheap to me
@mohamedddd983
@mohamedddd983 5 месяцев назад
Do they last long tho ?
@rayhanes1347
@rayhanes1347 5 месяцев назад
Just heard about these and I'm glad to see you're already on them. I want the 2 Louis Vuittons for the gym and little stuff because my afternoon swim is too expensive just to spray for nothin
@_Blazed.Daily_
@_Blazed.Daily_ 7 месяцев назад
Hey. I’ve been watching your content for a while now and noticed you don’t apply cologne on your clothes. How come?
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
Because it's unnecessary for me. I want to smell like the fragrance and have it develope as intended on my skin. Not my clothes smell like it
@_Blazed.Daily_
@_Blazed.Daily_ 7 месяцев назад
@@TLTGReviews well put; Sir.
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 7 месяцев назад
🫡
@bellantwain21
@bellantwain21 7 месяцев назад
I'm have to try these 🔥 fire review and choice's as always love the video Ross stay motivated Dream big 1 mill on the way
@qjustblessed1
@qjustblessed1 7 месяцев назад
Same lol
@michaeldalpogetti7016
@michaeldalpogetti7016 7 месяцев назад
Bottles look like Lattafa Fahkar
@TODOMATIO
@TODOMATIO 6 месяцев назад
Yes 😂 but Fulhar is disgusting, don't let anyone buy it god forbid: 😅
@garyroyal1730
@garyroyal1730 Месяц назад
Men it sure is easy to clone these Louis Vuitton FRAGRANCES. Makes me wonder, how high of quality the formulations are that they use.
@manonpurpose6565
@manonpurpose6565 7 месяцев назад
Looks like a clone of a Fakhar bottle with a twist
@Blazntrax81
@Blazntrax81 7 месяцев назад
That Layton clone cant be touching Amber Oud Exclusif Bleu Ross. That stuff SLAPS. Have you smelt it?
@Blazntrax81
@Blazntrax81 7 месяцев назад
I recently got a clone of Afternoon Swim. Its called Sunset Swim by Luciano. Its pretty damn good.
@jroark101
@jroark101 7 месяцев назад
Oh yea it’s really good!
@Blazntrax81
@Blazntrax81 7 месяцев назад
@@Exotic-P It actually performs better than Afternoon Swim. 4-6 hours.
@jroark101
@jroark101 7 месяцев назад
@@Exotic-P very similar
@robbierozay7229
@robbierozay7229 6 месяцев назад
i also have sunset swim this north stag is better quality but luciano does last longer
@raphael9197
@raphael9197 5 месяцев назад
@@robbierozay7229Dag so stag is 3 hours maybe??
@theaveragemegaguy
@theaveragemegaguy 3 месяца назад
He def looked them up beforehand lol
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 3 месяца назад
I definitely didn't. This is your first video on this channel. Clearly. It's ok. People make mistakes when the assume things. It happens. Thanks for watching
@theaveragemegaguy
@theaveragemegaguy 3 месяца назад
@@TLTGReviews No actually I've watched lots of your vids and I like your reviews but cmon man 🤣🤣 you read 4 words and said oh Tygar! Like I'm not even hating but cmon hahaha
@TLTGReviews
@TLTGReviews 3 месяца назад
Because it's so obvious lol. Tygar is an unmistakable scent. So having smelled thousands of fragrances doesn't earn me the benefit of the doubt huh? Jesus lol. There is a reason I do this everyday for years and years man. It's my thing and my passion
@77cleancut93
@77cleancut93 Месяц назад
Tygar is a very recognizable scent and when he first read the note breakdown, being someone who has been into fragrances for years, I also thought of a few fragrances, one of them being Tygar. I have no doubt in my mind that he knows what these fragrances are clones of as he has been in the field for years. He owns the right to call his nose a seasoned one.
@theaveragemegaguy
@theaveragemegaguy Месяц назад
@@77cleancut93 that’s fair but he hadn’t smelled it lol he just read a couple words and said it
@turboshazed7370
@turboshazed7370 7 месяцев назад
I want the Bvlgari Tygar one. The bottles look very nice.
@toxic24h8
@toxic24h8 7 месяцев назад
You won‘t be disappointed if you get it. I paid around 45$ each and they are the best freshies i have now
@turboshazed7370
@turboshazed7370 7 месяцев назад
​@@toxic24h8hell yeah I'll keep my eyes peeled.
@someonesomeone2022
@someonesomeone2022 3 месяца назад
How’s the longevity
@qjustblessed1
@qjustblessed1 7 месяцев назад
Well dam you might of just sold me on the set😂😂😂 I hate you😢 jk 🤜🏽🤛🏽💯
@jamesstarks3676
@jamesstarks3676 7 месяцев назад
I'm tempted too brother.
@jamesstarks3676
@jamesstarks3676 7 месяцев назад
Blame it on the alcohol....lol... 🎶 🎵
@frankeycrawford
@frankeycrawford 3 месяца назад
Lol don't you hate when you know something and you can't get it out.... we've all been there😂😂
@sivicslady9882
@sivicslady9882 7 месяцев назад
🧡💙💚🖤
@gamalielcenteno4801
@gamalielcenteno4801 7 месяцев назад
👍👍👍👍
@KBarnes34
@KBarnes34 7 месяцев назад
Damnit.. I need to stop watching this, my bank acct will thank me 😂 Only on first one and you went straight to the neck… must be good
@robbierozay7229
@robbierozay7229 6 месяцев назад
ive been saying this for years and 500+ bottles later
@s.s5858
@s.s5858 Месяц назад
The green one, Burning on skin like hell , also the smell from start to end (and max. 3 hours), is simply, take a lemon and squeeze on youself that is all, bought from Paris corner website, totally disappointed for 120 aed (32 usd), totally garbage.
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