New PC with old hard drive vs Old PC with new SSD 

Once you go SSD, you'll never go back.

But I remember the days when a hard disk was the bees knees compared to running off of a floppy drive only system - but then I also remember the days when floppy drives were the bees knees compared to loading off of a cassette tape drive...and then I remember the days of how a serial terminal for entering a program was the bees knees compared to a punch card machine - but I don't remember the days of having to toggle the bits into memory from a front panel, so no, I never saw dinosaurs roaming around on the Great Plains - that was before my time

ancient pc: uses a core 2 me watching this video with my core 2 quad:

That's why no matter how old a system I have, none of them that I own use a Hard Drive as a boot drive.

Interesting video, one small correction though, it's easy to mix up bits and Bytes, but SATA 2 runs at 3 Gb/s (bits) or around 300 MB/s (Bytes). Which is about half that of SATA 3, but twice as fast as SATA 1.

Now we know how to reach 20-30 FPS on CS:GO.

The biggest upgrade ever to my laptop was installing an m.2 ssd. It came with only a 5200rpm HDD from the factory so it was incredibly slow, even though it has an 8th gen i5 and sufficient memory. Imo it should be made illegal to ship modern computers without an ssd at least as a boot drive.

2:25 it's actually 300MB/s, not Mb/s. Good old bit/byte confusion.

"The hard drive equivalent of polio" lol i love when you make these comments

Dawid has dad jokes for days

"Look at my horse, the steroids amazin', give it a boot, the load times are blazin', with a click on the drive your PC will fly, and then it will die when you install a spinny, 'Oooh that's pokey.' Mm do you think so? Well I'd better not show you where the SATA port is RAID..." I am both very sorry and on the other hand not at all sorry for this.

I’m using two HDD’s for mass storage and a SSD for my OS

I replaced my old laptop 2,5" HDD, now it feels fast like my main rig.

great video, an SSD can help older systems longevity with windows 10 big time. I did this to a C2Q system that my aunt uses and she didn't believe me when I said I just changed the drive.

Wow - all the Gary’s came out of the wood work with the Mega Byte/Bit chit chat 😂 what a fiasco you have caused Dawid!

I've climbed the mountains of bodies of gamers who've died having to wait for Windows to install or games to load.. MOUNTAINS.. upon mountains of our fallen brothers fighting the battle of load times. So sad. :P

On Windows a slow drive will really slow the system down because Windows makes very heavy use of the disk all the time, but on systems like Linux or old versions of Windows you'll probably be fine.

Just One question: where do u download ur desktop wallpapers... I always try to find similar but can't find one?

Thats the kind of information you simply don't get anywhere else!

The answer is that hard drive bottlenecks are severe. Even with new HDDs. I have a new-ish laptop that came with a SATA3 5400RPM 1TB HDD and it ran like molasses on a sub freezing day. I cloned that drive to an old SSD that is 500GB and now that laptop flies. It won't game, but it loads Libre Writer in a few seconds instead of minutes.

My PC at work took almost 15 min just to log into Windows (10). Swapped an IDE hard drive for an SSD. It now is almost immediate.

You could get a PCI SATA3 adapter for the old system, probably pretty cheap. That and max the CPU out for like $20. Core2Quad if you can, that should make a huge difference.

"It's a Corsair Vengeance RGB Kit. mMmMmMmMmMmMmMmMmMMMmMMMMmMmmmMm."

That was a very heartfelt JA! at 9:23 lol

Thank you for making this video; it does highlight the increasing importance of faster storage, it all adds up when going about day to day operations. Whats great about using SSDs in older builds is despite SATA/IDE limitations what really matters is its IOPS performance, how quickly it can handle a bunch of smaller files. In my first gen pentium 4 (using an sata to ide converter that plugs directly into the motherboard helps); it lowered my boot times of windows 7 from 5 minutes to 1.5; and a minute of that is spent on bios initialization. For myself; any build these days back to the original Pentium gets an ssd; even 486s and prior get sd cards, will never go back to using hard drives for anything but mass storage.

A more realistic proposal: Can you do the test with the fastest SATA3 HDD on new PC against the cheapest SATA3 compatible old PC with the slowest SATA3 SSD?

When I had to start using Vista, that was because my brand new PC (at that time) had more than 4GB RAM... The reason there was simple: With more than 4 GB of RAM our options were limited to Vista, Windows Server, XP 64 bit, Linux, BSD... But even XP 64bit had different driver model, compatibility issues, etc. so Vista was the reasonable way to go. For most other systems people didn't have to move to Vista, but if you wanted more than 4Gb you had to get Vista. If you had less RAM you were better off with XP, as it offered more compatibility with existing software. Usually people who bought lots of RAM, bought it to avoid RAM being a bottleneck in an "otherwise very strong" system. And people often said, if you fill your mobo with RAM use the biggest capacity DIMMs it will support, it will be helpful later. Those Vista systems often ended up with an upgrade to Q6600, which was a popular CPU and much cheaper then Core 2 Extreme (or even a Q6700). So I feel your old system is a bit underpowered for a proper Vista era PC.

8:52 that offended me, and I'm not easily offended.

Disease + Ketamine what a lovely pair Madam lol

I thought the thumbnail said: "The ultimate vs bottleneck"

Interesting video. Would like to see more like this where old boosted vs new skimped. Bottlenecks and hacks are much more interesting than watching the same tests on newest and most powerful hardware over and over on every channel.

I recently did the same. Changed my WD Blue 5400 for an NVMe 1 TB and I can now restart windows in about 40 seconds. With the hdd just closing down windows 10 took 2 minutes and then another 3+ minutes to start. Not to mention I went from pretty frequent drops in SLOBS ~10% a session on the hdd compared to fewer than 1% with NVMe in a 2 hour stream.

I recently upgraded my dads 10 Year old Toshiba Laptop (L350-264) from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and changed the Hard Drive 240GB to an Spare HyperX Savage 500GB SSD I had. This upgrade and update made it a whole new machine

The PC that I use for work had a HDD and as the computer aged my system started bottle necking just because of the HDD. It was so bad my computer became unusable. Finally I bought a SSD and now all my trouble have disappeared. Never going back to HDD

Thanks for the tips... My dad has an All-in-one PC (Lenovo C200) with a 500 GB HDD, maybe from 2009 or 2010, at the time when "Windows 7" entered at market. I'm thinking on change the HDD and install a 480 GB SSD. So, the Lenovo C200 will work faster with the SSD anyway.

this channel is worth it for his absurd analogies alone. watching it is like taking that first satisfying morning dump before you start your day.

Wake up with Dawid and a polio joke? Yes please! Haha!

I actually put in a 64 gb Sandisk SSD in an old Sony Vaio desktop PC with a Pentium D cpu from 2005. I also have it running Windows 10, but it's original operating system was Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.

Thank you this really makes me feel so much better when using old equipment and now knowing that it is not my skills it is the equipment. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍

Awww I was hoping you had the Dom Plat in the new boi

I did something similar to this last night in a 10 year old PC I have with an amd athlon ii x4 640. Just clone the HDD to the SSD and it boots and runs almost like brand new. I love making new computers but at the same time saving old computers from the e-waste landfills makes me feel good.

Lol awesome

The quality on this channel is amazing, how do you not have at least 300k subscribers?

How does dawid not have more subs? His view to sub ratio is insane!👍

"Today we're going to compare a modern high end-ish gaming system with polio!..." 😄 You're funny!

I miss the days of turning on your computer, going to get coffee and urinating to return for the last few seconds of the boot time.

Thanks for the upload! You should keep messing around with mid 2000s hardware

I had that exact same motherboard and CPU. (although I upgrade to a Q6600 later on). It lasted from 2010 all the way until 2017, when the MB unfortanetely started to randomly fail to post. Had to abandon what once was an amazing retro pc.

Yeah i had a good pc with a old hard drive and when i switched to ssd i noticed the difference

it would be insteresting to see those with some linux instalations

Actually ssd has a bottleneck as well and Vista you have to disable net meeting to get any performance

Thank you! I'll now recommend any friends/family that don't have a pc with an SSD to change to one

where the heck was the DOM PLATZ!?!

3:54 I assume na system won anyway, as old system have almost no RAM for hdd/ssd cache. The biggest improvement in performance ever I have seen was when I upgraded 4GB RAM to 8GB RAM, all other spec left untouched.

This does answer some questions that have been echoing around in my head about what to do with my old Alienware alpha. Thank you!

My work PC was a recent Dell that has an i7 8700 and is still insufferably slow because of the mechanical HDD. Luckily I convinced them to grab a 16GB stick of Intel Optane, which basically acts as an SSD cache/system accelerator, and the responsiveness is very tolerable now.

I don't know if I watch this because it is interesting and informative or because Dawid is hilarious. I would really like to see a windows 98 gaming PC built with new hardware.

I have a question when it comes to having both an SSD and a HDD in your system. Does windows still cache data no matter what drive you have taking up RAM usage, or is it only for mechanical hard drives?

Is there a way for me to have a ssd that will transfer files onto a hdd over time?

Hi.is it must upgrade ram for instal window 10 for old pc or laptop if want to change to ssd?.thank you.

This video is actually not pointless at all for my particular issue! My partner's PC is a faitrly old system (AMD FX) so seeing how an SSD still helps on SATA 2 really has made me reconsider the upgrade path for it.

You gotta give me the horse steroids now!! I am a Pony who's needs it 🤣

i have a Optiplex 3020 and i cant use my ssd only i have to use the hard drive and ssd too for my pc to boot up with out the hard drive it wont boot up so i wanna use the ssd only can only tell me how can i use the ssd without the hard drive

Thank you for this. I have an older i3 laptop I was just wondering if it would be worth putting an ssd into it. (Not using for gaming)

I've revived so many client laptops with SSD drives. The most recent was a relatively new Lenovo Ideapad i5 which was appallingly slow on it's 5400rpm drive, I opened it up to find an M.2 slot. Dropped in a drive and it went from 4:30 from switch on to desktop, to under 40 seconds. My diagnostic laptop I take with me to client sites is a tiny Thinkpad X60 (Intel T2400) from 2009, still works fine with an SSD under Ubuntu. Shame the next incarnations of Ubuntu no longer support 32bit processors.

Great info Dawid. I have a few older motherboards that I still have operational. Limited to Sata2 interface. Adding SSDs really helped them become snappier. Matter of fact I just upgraded one last night.

I clued onto this when I needed a laptop for university, with an SSD my 2012 business grade laptop (Lenovo X230 so not your typical big box retailer laptop) flies for the tasks it needs and is magnitudes faster than any new $250 machine. Can't believe that even laptops in the mid range price segments are still offering HDDs as default

Swapping old HDDs with SSDs for basic office PCs saves LOTS of money. I highly recommend it. We have 10 PCs from the stone age that were given new life with a cheap SSD.

Would be interesting to see the comparison with a third competitor: A new and quite fast SATA-III hard drive like a Toshiba X-300. But yeah: I'm also using SSDs as boot drives in almost all my computers even back to my Optiplex 780 from 2009 apart from some even older retro machines.

This is a great video, love this concept

7:45 megabytes*

I have a 256gb nvme and it's amazing and a 500gb HDD for videos and backups. I did have games on it, but they took forever to load. What I would like to see is a that hard drive with optane.

Once the HDD is ready for use, it's perfectly fine. Only issue is loading times for big stuff. You could have tested paging performance though

I've been thinking about an SSD in my 12 year old PC, so this helped me decide.

Good video. Now I dont have to do the test lol

Have to say, without watching, the SSD is going to help a LOT! I installed a 120GB SSD into an old P3 1GHz. Boot times went from around 20-30 seconds, to about 4. Games load quick too and stutter was all but eliminated. Now, 120GB sounds small, but it originally had a 40GB IBM deskstar. Needless to say I had to use a SATA to IDE adapter. Not sure what to do about TRIM support as it's running Windows XP. Eventually it will slow down. But I only use that system perhaps twice a month when I want to play some old games.

For day to day usability e.g. loading applications and the OS, latency is the real killer, so an SSD is going to fist a mechanical drive quite violently in that regards irrelevant of what sata revision the drives are connected to. Also, sata 2 isn't limited to 300 megabits per second, it is actually rated for 3Gbps or 10 times what you've quoted, however it does cut the maximum read rate down to about 300 megabites per second or about 2.5Gbps once you deal with overheads, but that's irrelevant as like I said, latency is key for usability 👍 Edit: after finishing the video, I called it 😂 You're not wrong with Windows 10 and ram caching making things somewhat more tolerable though. And regarding the Windows 10 installation, did both systems have usb3? In any case, if you want your computer to be faster and don't have an SSD, get one! It's one of the cheaper upgrades nowadays, and should your system still not be snappy enough you can put the SSD into your next build

Can you make a funny video completely destroying a Hard Drive? HowToBasic style

Dude... terrific Video. I have been with you since about... under 3000 subscribers and I commented on the towel in the background. As I said then your delivery is great and your content is super fun and informative. This video was a true pleasure to watch. Your set is clean simple and well crafted. Your performance is natural and concise. I love the simple b - roll with the craft paper blocking for the comparison shots and the rest of it. I am not sure but I feel like you are using an ND filter but the film itself is looking great. Fantastic job all around. Keep up the good work.

Man, it triggers me so much that you kept swapping the sides on the comparisons! Keep it consistent! 🤣

SSD on an old PC is just amazing. My 10 year old system boots windows 10 in 7-8 seconds. 250GB Samsung 860 EVO(BOOT), Q9650, GT 1030, 8GB RAM, 2TB Seagate HDD

old pc : Linux next time ????

SawTaa... Please stop your giving me PTSD

You called the video pointless at the end, but I disagree. I think this was actually a really valid demonstration for folks holding onto older hardware that are debating whether to upgrade the entire system, or just the storage. Hopefully folks have moved on past core 2 duos at this point, but they make surprisingly usable chromebooks / chromeboxes.

Please this video was not pointless, we going through a Covid recession (I need) and I just dusted of an old laptop that the hdd keeps bottlenecking at 100% usage, this video just convinced me to invest in an ssd 🤔

Test start 5:00

4:00 Dawid.exe has stopped responding

Somehow those old SpinPoint P80 HDDs are just my favourites. I have a 160GB one for retro PC use.

How the hell is there any functioning Samsung SP1213C hard drives in existence? I have replaced a mountain off these due to bad sectors

did texture popins does anything to do with bad hard drive? i'm playing gta v, and though i drop the settings to the bottom, it still has thesame issue, im using acer swift3 with core i3 7th gen, nvidia mx150 can somebody tell me, changing from hard drive to ssd solves my issues or not?

Look at the cooler lol 3:38

I'll have a harddrive, but only as storage, while my ssd would be the boot drive. My hard drive as a boot drive gave me so much anxiety when I just sat there waiting for the computer to load, even after finally getting into windows.

I remember way back when I was happy to get a shiny brand new top of the line.... 2GB seagate Hard drive on my win dos system... My we have come a long way since then. You really didnt go that far back for your comparison.

Just successfully transferred the OS from my Hard drive to my new NVME SSD, I have both in my system and now I feel like my PC can last longer now.

Anyone knows how he setup the monitor with two different sources ?

Changing from a 7200rpm Seagate FireCuda to an Intel 665p NVME is definately by FAR the most noticable upgrade i've ever done. Going from a 2500K to a 3300x itself did almost nothing when not in game and seeing the lower usage numbers. But the NVME drive made it a whole new machine. Whenever someone claims they got a smoother desktop from buying more cores, i know they actually replaced their ssd too. My moms Pentium G6400 has just as smooth and responsive of desktop performance as my overclocked 3300x does with twice the cores and threads. Both have the same ssd.

Wasnt the installation faster because the i7 could decompress the install files much faster than the old cpu can?

@7:48 Mega*bytes* / second, not bits. (MB not Mb) Also when comparing SSD & HDD day to day usage, a fresh install is the best case scenario for an HDD. After a year or two of junk & fragmentation the HDD will be cripplingly slow, while the SSD will be largely unaffected. The difference being a result of the SSDs response time being an order of magnitude faster than the HDD seek time.

From personal experience, I have a seagate 350gb external HDD as an internal one after my original died on me. The boot to the lock screen on windows 10 took 3 minutes at the fastest, while on desktop icons literally disapear due to the lacking access speed (refreshing restores it for a bit).

Great idea!