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These pickleball rule changes shocked me. No more carrying the ball, apparel that can be anything thats socially acceptable, and deflate gate 2.0.

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@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
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@kimleith1378
@kimleith1378 6 месяцев назад
Play with a guy who's gone through 3 LUXX's in 3 months. Sweet spot grit is totally gone.Selkirk pushed back hard and wants to charge a "restock" fee.
@afterthesmash
@afterthesmash 5 месяцев назад
If paddle technology is improving across the board, this isn't saying much. Every computer I've ever purchased was better than the last one.
@JimFessler
@JimFessler 6 месяцев назад
The definition of the court layout should include sufficient space to the side and back. Some courts are so tight within fences that it can become dangerous pursuing a ball. Also, the ATP should always be an option.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah that’d be a cool rule! Definitely need more space on so many courts
@digitalreporter
@digitalreporter 6 месяцев назад
0:44 Rally scoring for singles (Doubles) 1:34 Live ball and In Play 1:56 Appealing line calls before the next serve 2:57 Acceptable court attire 3:32 Penalty for failure to give your best effort 4:14 Broken/Cracked ball 5:51 Time out being called 6:23 Two-handed shot 6:56 Failure to change ends on a third game at either 6 points, 8 points or 11 points 7:43 Nets that go all the way to the ground 8:30 Honorable Mentions Change NVZ to 8 feet Add mini-singles into sanctioned event tournaments Wires on net posts Paddle color The carry rule Drop serve
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Thank you! 🙏
@mikemaverick7024
@mikemaverick7024 5 месяцев назад
Thank you!!
@suserman7775
@suserman7775 6 месяцев назад
Favoring rallies and long points over quick points is one of the major reasons pickleball is so fun. I'm not surprised many of the comments here reflect a complete lack of understanding of that simple idea. Pickleball purposely supresses hard serves and it should stay that way. The most common infraction i see in public rec play is illegal serves above the waist.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
💯!
@keithloucks7167
@keithloucks7167 6 месяцев назад
I have been aprovicial level Badminton player for 50 years and a coach. Most pickleball players do not know how to call this rule which came from Badminton.
@fernandoherranz4095
@fernandoherranz4095 5 месяцев назад
I think rally scoring hurts the sport, shifting much more advantage to better players, which ultimately makes lower-level players not want to play. PB is pretty inclusive, but making it faster has consequences.
@suserman7775
@suserman7775 5 месяцев назад
@fernandoherranz4095 How does it favor better players? It doesn't make the game faster necessarily. You play to a higher score in rally scoring. What changes is the VARIABILITY of how long a game can take. That greatly benefits waiting players.
@BruceFowler-bv1gf
@BruceFowler-bv1gf 6 месяцев назад
As for nets draping on the court, there are a few instances of that. Sometimes, the velcro around the net pole stretches and the net drapes the ground. This is only one portable nets . I also prefer nets with a space between the court and the net so a ball cane go under but some nets being manufactured are almost on the ground
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah so true!
@kimleith1378
@kimleith1378 6 месяцев назад
I've zip tied the bottoms of all the nets at our courts.
@kevincafaro8846
@kevincafaro8846 6 месяцев назад
thanks. I kinda hope the drop server stays as optional. I agree that there are some players that try to cross the line with the traditional serve, usually they are not high skilled players anyway. not a fan of Rally scoring. but like in MLP format it does generate a high energy environment.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I agree. Should be interesting to see what happens!
@robertcarp3469
@robertcarp3469 5 месяцев назад
Thank you, great video and explanation of the rules.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@ericrhinehalt1206
@ericrhinehalt1206 6 месяцев назад
Great piece. Thank you.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for listening
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 6 месяцев назад
I think the ebb and flow of momentum in Pickleball is more exciting for fans and players with side-out scoring. Rally scoring takes some of those momentum shifts away, from a sport that is struggling to draw fans at the highest level. Likewise the variance in serve technique is entertaining. Who said you have to all serve in exactly the same way? I know that consistency wins games, but it does that at the sacrifice of entertainment.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yes, I like side out scoring. It makes pickleball pickleball! As for serve variation, I agree that different types of serves are entertaining. I also think these different types of serves can be done legally with a drop serve
@rdelnaja2558
@rdelnaja2558 6 месяцев назад
Side out scoring is old school scoring which didn't bold well long term for some other sports also struggled to draw fans. What you say if its struggling to draw fans at the highest level that their is a red flag telling folks that some changes need to be made. Also, rather than just looking at it from Highest level, look at it in all levels. How many folks take an hour lunch to maybe a get in a game or two before they have to get back to work wish they were able to get in just 1 or two more games. Subject to how many other players waiting. What is wrong with options? Adapt and adjust based on X amount of players.
@bicyclethief
@bicyclethief 6 месяцев назад
@@rdelnaja2558 there's also no reason amateurs can't keep playing sideout scoring while pros play whatever format promotes the sport. doesn't make sense to me that the scoring format has to be universal across the board for pros and amateurs alike.
@rdelnaja2558
@rdelnaja2558 6 месяцев назад
@@bicyclethief Did you miss the part where I said "What is wrong with more options?" Also, I mention Adapting, Time vs X amount of players. Some of us are not retired or unemployed.
@bicyclethief
@bicyclethief 6 месяцев назад
@@rdelnaja2558 calm down, i'm not disagreeing with you. not sure where you got that idea from. just pointed out that there doesn't need to be one and only one scoring system uniform across pros and amateurs.
@user-wg7ck8et8c
@user-wg7ck8et8c 6 месяцев назад
Great explanations of the rules. Thank you
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@xeviuus
@xeviuus 6 месяцев назад
I agree with rally scoring on singles. But with two chances to serve with doubles, rally scoring might tilt the scale on evenly matched games.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah. It should be interesting to see what 2025 brings!
@billboyle7886
@billboyle7886 5 месяцев назад
I like moving to the drop serve only as I agree, many times my opponent looks like the are serving from above their waist and I don’t want to say anything. I currently do not use a drop serve, so I would have to change and it would be worth changing my serve if the drop serve became the standard.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
It’s a pretty simple change. I tried my very first drop serve ever last week and it’s basically the same thing with a slightly lower contact point!
@ivalani
@ivalani 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for clarifying the new rules - it made it easier to understand.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@richestmaninbabylon7635
@richestmaninbabylon7635 5 месяцев назад
The Drop serve only is a great idea. No mistake about it, it would be a legal serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Yeah. I’m sure people will figure out how to manipulate it, but for now, it’s the only answer
@Koolbob2
@Koolbob2 6 месяцев назад
I'd like to see the drop serve clarified as palm facing down, no spin, no upward or downward motion of the hand, just release the ball and hit it in the air or on the bounce. I'm still seeing a lot of players toss the ball upward with spin on their serve often striking the ball well above the waist and things get ugly quickly when you challenge the legality of their serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Good point!
@afterthesmash
@afterthesmash 5 месяцев назад
I looked at some mathematics that purports to analyze rally scoring, but it completely ignores that the players must choose to play differently to remain competitive. There's empirical data that the games average the same number of rallies, but with less variance for the rally scoring. However, what they don't say is that the larger variance might be the _reason_ that standard scoring more reliably sorts the cream to the top. Players who are close together in skill will need longer to sort the matter out. A scoring system that reliable separates players closer to the same skill level _should_ have more variance, as I see things.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Yes!
@spaznickermeyer3507
@spaznickermeyer3507 6 месяцев назад
PPA should be able to continue playing pure pickleball: side-outs are a fundamental part of the game. Changing it would be like changing baseball games to 7 innings. If you like rally scoring, watch the MLP. It's fun and basically a different sport. I like it. But this should be a choice per the tournament. Changing the actual rule seems really wrong to me.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
I agree. It feels like a different sport with rally scoring!
@jeffsingletary1876
@jeffsingletary1876 5 месяцев назад
APP went to rally scoring for championship games. I’d like to hear the pros take on it. It would seem to change the strategy of the game. Fun to watch in MLP. I don’t like it in regular tournament play. I don’t like playing it in rec play. It makes my game too tentative; playing not to lose.
@bryanyee7
@bryanyee7 6 месяцев назад
I think that the carry rule needs to be clarified more though. Like how long does the ball need to stay on the paddle for it to be a "carry"? Technically speaking, most shots have instantaneous contact only but there are three types of shots that may cause some confusion due to the ball having much longer "dwell time" on the paddle face: 1. The type of shot where the ball falls just over the net and a player uses their paddle to push the ball up and back over short to the other side of the net is also technically a carry since the ball dwells on the paddle for a significantly longer time than just an instantaneous hit. During this shot, the pros typically will use their paddle to "escort the ball" just over the net and short in order to avoid a pop up. 2. Overhead smashes where a player contacts the ball really high (like with their arm straight up in the air) and the ball stays on the paddle (because that player is pushing the ball downward as they are swinging downward with the paddle) before the ball leaves the paddle. 3. The lob attempt where a player might use their paddle to lift the ball into the air (as the ball is going up, it is stays on the paddle because the paddle is pushing up the ball). I think that they should really clarify what constitutes a carry (like a full second or it is obvious that the ball was "Jai Alai-ed"). Maybe have it so that if there is any doubt or question, the benefit of the doubt goes to the person hitting the ball (like most of the other rules in Pickleball are laid out). Either way, more clarity is often better.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
I agree. It is definitely not defined clearly enough! I’m sure people will get around this rule all the time
@WilliamBrownGuitar
@WilliamBrownGuitar 6 месяцев назад
I think it's a bad rule period. Will create more problems than any it will fix.
@erichlange6369
@erichlange6369 6 месяцев назад
I strongly disagree also. In most(all) cases, it is still one swing motion.
@gpenrod5221
@gpenrod5221 6 месяцев назад
Ohh, some good thoughts on the carry stuff. Yea, I can see how it might be a carry for a net drop shot that you can barely get to, can't hit but you can lift it over the net. That will really cause some controversy I think. Lob shots? Uhm, I'm going to think on that one. I don't come close to a carry with a lob, but I suppose maybe it's possible, but there should be some clear guidance on that. I really like the philosophy of the follow through motion ideal. But I can also see where that is argumentive as well. Hmmm. Stay tuned for further insight with this rule for sure. Frankly I got to liking the bounce server. I see lots of comments indicating indirectly that the drop serve to the paddle has more potential to ace with. But I have had plenty of ace serves with my bounce serves as well, especially if I connect with them very low. I can get some pretty good spin with a hefty slice hit. Not sure why the drop serve is considered more effective.
@marcipants01
@marcipants01 5 месяцев назад
Love this recap. Thanks Austin. Also, I remember the play where Anna Leigh missed a deep and hard drive by James Ignatovich and complained that the ball was deflated. It’s was ridiculous imo. It was a pivotal game point, and he hnd Anna had a great chance of winning, but they replayed the ball after taking a review of something that hadn’t ever been called as a penalty of any kind except for a change of ball. Also, the ball was not deemed [deflated].
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it. And interesting. I’m glad they made the right call!
@rdelnaja2558
@rdelnaja2558 6 месяцев назад
There is Rally Scoring in Doubles Beach Volleyball, even indoors 6's. I am having a hard time believing that it will not work in Doubles. Change the 2 serve rule to one. The receiving Team will always have the advantage. I say make it optional, especially if folks are pressed for time.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I think optional is pretty fun. That way some tournaments can be rally and others side out
@MrKenhansen
@MrKenhansen 6 месяцев назад
Excellent presentation
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it
@user-xr7xz3dj7w
@user-xr7xz3dj7w 6 месяцев назад
Drop serve: probably not a issue for pros but at the amateur level, using the drop serve in windy conditions is more difficult than a volley serve. The bounced ball has more chance to move unexpectedly in a gust. Both serves should be allowed.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Good point!
@nobodyspecial9035
@nobodyspecial9035 4 месяца назад
Same for debris and protruding lines.
@pediajo1
@pediajo1 3 месяца назад
Rally scoring speeds up games and makes every rally and point scored or lost more important. In recreational play, rally scoring lets more players play with far less waiting time. Rally scoring in tournaments will add suspense and exciting new tactics to games for players and spectators alike.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 3 месяца назад
I just think rally scoring is a lot more boring from a viewership standpoint. It’s always to 21 and the first half is boring cause you know it’s going to end up being 18 to 20 at some point. If they changed it to 2/3 games to 7 or something, I’d be a lot more interested
@jeremywaite3346
@jeremywaite3346 5 месяцев назад
Does the carry rule include anything about a double hit where it doesn’t necessarily carry or roll on the paddle but you hear it hit the paddle twice even though it’s one motion on the swing?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Double hit is completely legal. But a Cary is not. I think this is dumb!
@craigbelanger2404
@craigbelanger2404 6 месяцев назад
Please standardize ball colors. Yellow 26 Yellow 40s
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
Would be problematic. Lots of places this sport are played on surfaces of various colors, particularly indoors when being played on wood gym floors, yellow balls are not the best choice in a lot of cases if you actually wanna see it.
@fernandoherranz4095
@fernandoherranz4095 5 месяцев назад
I just had this problem at an indoor gym when we started playing with yellow balls there. The floor and walls had a color that was close to yellow and we could barely see the ball coming at us -we had to switch to blue for better (but not perfect) visibility.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Yes I love yellow!!!
@michaelfinny7538
@michaelfinny7538 6 месяцев назад
Hey, very interesting video. The scoop/double hit rule change is a really good one. Have that issue in our group. Do you have a link to the official rule change so I can share it. Thanks.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
rules.usapickleball.org You can search for any rule using this link!
@dgman3262
@dgman3262 6 месяцев назад
I agree.... I dislike having to challenge the server, when their serves are borderline side arm and above the bellybutton. They always say.... No it wasn't or so 'n so serves that way. Then they get butt hurt😮
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah it’s so true haha! I’ve never called anyone out just cause that’s not my MO but sometimes it’s just wayyy over the waist
@russelllew1139
@russelllew1139 6 месяцев назад
Like Rally scoring, that’s all we use where I play. We are seniors, just trying to get another game in before we have to go. Rally scoring is more fun to watch on RU-vid or TV. Thanks for making this video, it’s much needed.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Good stuff!
@nerothe
@nerothe 6 месяцев назад
I like it as well except for giving up a point on a bad serve. I'd prefer if it was just loss of serve vs a lost point if a fault occurs on the serve. Losing a point takes away the fun in trying any sort of variety in the serve.
@lindsaymyers6331
@lindsaymyers6331 6 месяцев назад
I'm use to the drop serve as I played pro Racquetball for many years in Canada and the US Pro tours. As I mentioned, I think the refs can make the right call. I like the variety offered in Pickleball to volley serve or drop serve. It adds to the complexity of the game. And as I'd mentioned previously I think the serve should definitely be part of the arsenal a player develops. I'm not sure what the speed on a hard hit serve is in pickleball but in pro Racquetball it's somewhere up near the speed of lightning (joking). This all makes for a fantastic game of pickleball.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Oh interesting! I heard they changed the balls and rackets in racket all and it became to fast for viewers and that’s why growth tanked. What do you think?
@lindsaymyers6331
@lindsaymyers6331 6 месяцев назад
Racquetball is still around, and there is a pro league. But the heyday has passed. RB is very fast at the pro level. The problem, I believe, is the limited viewing and the inability to educate a television crowd. An RB court is 20' by 40' enclosed by solid walls or glass walls for better viewing. The largest crowd I ever saw had 400 people watching. But the ball simply moves too fast for tv to follow so all one sees are two people running and swinging but very little, if any, ball. Hockey had the same problem with the puck. It moved too fast for tv viewers to follow the play so the "blue streaked" it. It took a couple of years but the tv crowd finally got "educated" enough to drop the blue streaked puck.
@nosneb1963
@nosneb1963 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the great video, Austin. I do disagree with your opinion about the drop serve. I feel the serve is just another part of the game in which players can excel and for which the receiving team needs to be prepared.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Love it! The serve is definitely becoming a bigger part of the game. I’m just glad there aren’t spin serves anymore.
@86309
@86309 6 месяцев назад
@nosneb1963- the problem seems to be when the serve is struck above the "waist" which is pretty nebulous and therefore open to interpretation results that differ depending on the ref.
@nosneb1963
@nosneb1963 6 месяцев назад
@@86309 I agree. That can be a real issue. I just don't want that to be a reason to do away with the non-drop serve. I can get 3 to 5 points a game with my (legal) serve.
@ToJoMayer
@ToJoMayer 6 месяцев назад
Very nice reply. Promoting kindness in online responses. Good job.
@lesterma1608
@lesterma1608 6 месяцев назад
On tournaments that have prize money, line officials and replay used!
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yes!!
@rteitel1974
@rteitel1974 6 месяцев назад
It's absurd that at the pro level, line officials arent used.
@bart1476
@bart1476 5 месяцев назад
Why do no pros and hardly any high level players hit a drop serve? Two main reasons, #1 you are dealing with a bounce before the serve and that bounce will vary depending on wind, temperature and surface of the court. #2 When you hold the ball and hit it as it drops in the air you can be more precise with your aim, power, and direction. I can hit it exactly where I want within inches of my target. If you have a weaker backhand you are are going to see a lot of hard topspin serves to your backhand.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
😀
@IRWE905
@IRWE905 6 месяцев назад
Deflection off your Body back over the net. When is it considered loss of Rally (Doesn't hit any part of Paddle, Other,) and could it be considered a Carry at any time?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
The rule has always been that if the ball hits anything other than your wrist, hand, or paddle, it is dead. Does that help clarify?
@1Mlfoster
@1Mlfoster 5 месяцев назад
Early on when pickleball courts started to be constructed every where, the rules for the net only included a required mid-strap. Then they changed the rule to “no strap”. Along the way they produced nets that were shorter. Now they are manufacturing the correct prototype. Nets that drag, are old ones.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Interesting! We just had a new net put in at our local courts and it draped to the ground. Well 31 other nets have a gap. It makes no sense haha
@danv1061
@danv1061 6 месяцев назад
When you said deflated I pictured a flattened out ball - similar to a rubber ball that has lost its air and it’s shape.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Exactly haha. 😂
@edgarlopez1744
@edgarlopez1744 6 месяцев назад
Curious about a “double hit”? Not sure how to exactly describe it, but when the ball hits your paddle “twice” on a volley or general play of the game?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Correct. It’s 100% legal!
@nildar5904
@nildar5904 6 месяцев назад
We should have the option to serve the ball the way we want. Keeping in mind to connect with the ball below the wrist in an upward motion.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
That’s the problem. You can’t control people keeping it in their mind and not control how the serve should be done. But in a perfect world, yes!
@natesj6105
@natesj6105 6 месяцев назад
The net to the ground is slightly better for game play as it stops the shake of the net when the ball hits it.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Hmmm interesting. Makes sense. Is that better that it’s less shaky or worse?
@brianbanks3044
@brianbanks3044 6 месяцев назад
if you practice a carry, then you are extremely skilled...I did one he other day and it was totally unintentional....sometimes I don't even know how it happens but I have seen it a few times...it should be one continuous motion and it is OK since it is so difficult to replicate
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
That’s a good point. I think once you practice for even an hour or 2 you can have it pretty well down. I’m glad it’s gone personally cause I’ve never seen one try to intentionally do it. It’s always an accident and ends up being a winner
@chrishennon8504
@chrishennon8504 6 месяцев назад
Intention should be part of the rule. It seems virtually all carries at the amateur level are unintentional.
@scottmanthey3549
@scottmanthey3549 6 месяцев назад
Exactly right!
@scottmanthey3549
@scottmanthey3549 6 месяцев назад
​@@pickleballplaybookyou didn't cover what happens on two or more hits, which is far more common. Are they illegal now?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
@@scottmanthey3549 legal still so long as it’s one motion!
@55woodie
@55woodie 6 месяцев назад
I have a Rules question/issue with opponents calling balls out, that is “loudly” enough for players to hear. That word (loudly) should be added to the Section 4 rules bc we’ve been unable to hear an out call due to wind, neighboring games, or softly spoken ppl and not being able to hear their call. It leads to a debate once the ball is dead bc a receiver will return the ball so play continued. There have been instances where even the partner didn’t hear the out ball call and continued play. This is similar to opponents not calling out the score loud enough prior to serving. Perhaps ppl’s hearing and vocal skills are on a decline but maybe not😊. btw your content and videos are great! Thx again & Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 🎄
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I think that that’s how it used to be but now the out call can be just your finger going up or it can be your voice or it can be both. This is definitely interesting but I personally like not having to shout out. I think it can disturb other courts and cause confusion for them. Either way, I don’t think there is a perfect solution until our calls are completely automated! That will be a fun day! Merry Christmas to you! Thanks for the comment and feedback. I appreciate it
@inApickle_ball
@inApickle_ball 6 месяцев назад
Out ball - finger up, In ball - hand out near waist. Simple. GOD, Guns & Gumbo
@ericrhinehalt1206
@ericrhinehalt1206 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, I use sign language 95% of the time. Who needs all of the yelling.
@demetricotton9794
@demetricotton9794 6 месяцев назад
I am not a fan of rally scoring only because it leaves one to eventually play just a very conservative game, you are just playing to keep the ball in and wait till your opponent makes a mistake.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I’m with you 💪
@billboyle7886
@billboyle7886 5 месяцев назад
Can you clarify the ball dropping over the net and hitting the net or bar on the other side. It was point number 10. I have a shot that rolled over the top of the net onto my side and hit the cross bar. Does that change or just the next catching the ball on the ground because the net is longer then the ground
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
If it hits a dropping net (meaning a net that touches the ground) it is a redo. If it hits the bar below the net it is also a redo. If rolls over the net and bounces then hits the cross bar it is a fault. Hope that helps!
@snipsnop2
@snipsnop2 5 месяцев назад
Regarding the drop serve, you didn't mention the MOST IMPORTANT REASON that it will reduce conflict over legality: when a player uses a drop serve, the rules governing the positions of the arm and the ball at the moment of contact (ball must be below the waist, paddle must be moving upward, entire face of paddle must be below the wrist) are dropped. So the ref and the opponent needn't worry about trying to observe something that is nearly impossible to see. And the server can hit the ball however they wish.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
I did mention that haha rewatch the video and let me know ❤️
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook he didn't allege you didn't. :-)
@TylerDelCotto
@TylerDelCotto 6 месяцев назад
the carry rule, does that apply to the double hit rule? like if you accidentally double hit a pickleball but it was deemed as one motion its legal correct? you're talking about an actually carry where the ball is practically stuck to the paddle for the whole shot?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
No. If you double hit it is legal so long as it is one motion 🙌
@royfranklin3697
@royfranklin3697 6 месяцев назад
As a former serve and volley tennis player, I find it very difficult not to enter the kitchen. Given the different dynamics of pickleball I don't disagree with the concept, but it's very hard for tennis players not to try and get closer to the net, or to step into the kitchen after a volley.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah it’s a hard transition. I’ve played tennis since I was 11 years old! I still love it but pickleball is my favorite sport of all time!
@nickb2912
@nickb2912 5 месяцев назад
I think the points to win should be based on if you are playing traditional scoring or rally scoring. In traditional scoring keep it at first to 11 must win by 2 and for rally scoring they should make it 21 must win by 2
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Good point!
@kb8978
@kb8978 5 месяцев назад
Eh... also not sure I agree with your point on approving the Drop only rule. As others said, Pickleball serving aces are very rare, and since the serving team/player is forced to let the ball bounce on their side as well, a forced drop serve sort of gives full advantage to the defending team. A great volley serve can give the serving team a better chance at getting a decent 3rd shot/transition shot in.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Nice. I’d say the drop serve can be hit just as hard as a volley serve, it just can’t possibly be hit above the waist. Thats why I’m pro drop
@kb8978
@kb8978 5 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook I understand. Personally I think the belly button being defined as the waist is the real problem. I feel like the hips are a more appropriate guideline, and still plenty of height to work with for a volley serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
They changed to hips for that tournament because the top of your hip is in direct alignment with your belly button 👍
@kirkdawson1456
@kirkdawson1456 6 месяцев назад
Item 7. Glad to see this change. Had an opposing player call "time out!" between a referee called score and my striking the serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
👌 yeah that can be annoying for sure!
@MrKsteph01
@MrKsteph01 5 месяцев назад
Wondering... Is a ball that is double hit (by the same player) in a single continuation swing, considered a carry/throw under the new rules?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
No a double hit is completely legal
@chrishennon8504
@chrishennon8504 6 месяцев назад
Completely disagree with your take on the drop serve. The serve should absolutely be a weapon. It’s not like tennis at all. Even someone with a fast, deep serve will rarely get an ace, but it will potentially give the serving team an advantage in the point. If you take the volley serve out of the game, then what is the point of serving at all besides just starting the point? It would make the game less dynamic.
@madrum
@madrum 6 месяцев назад
I exclusively use a drop serve and, in three 4.0 games yesterday, I won 8 points off my serve, not to mention all the weak returns I got. I use a top spin ground stroke on the serve, at about 50% power, with ball going 4-5 feet above the net, and land in back 3rd of court. I expect many people are used to seeing a topspin serve like that but it still gets them. Also, you can’t take it off a short hop because its going a bit slower then jumps hard from top spin, so it’s harder for returner to make it to the kitchen. All that to say, I think more people should give it a try.
@D3athByF1r3
@D3athByF1r3 6 месяцев назад
I exclusively serve volley serve. I don’t drop the ball to the ground but it falls into my paddle. I think that forcing a drop serve to bounce is ridiculous. Especially considering so many people would need to relearn serving, and not to mention that drop serves aren’t consistent. If it’s windy, your ball will move an inch or two and could cost you the serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
The drop serve can still be a weapon. The point of it is to just stop people from hitting serves at chest height. It just wouldn’t be as big of a weapon as a volley serve. I love the volley serve, just hate how often everyone complains about it
@madrum
@madrum 6 месяцев назад
@@D3athByF1r3 yeah. I don’t expect the toss serve to go away, unless the drop serve is shown to be superior in some way and people choose to use it.
@scottmanthey3549
@scottmanthey3549 6 месяцев назад
Me too, I think that would be a terrible change to the fundamental structure of pickleball. You can't argue that the kitchen line shouldn't be changed because it would cause more dinking and then take the serve away, Rediculous!
@AngelaCoupe
@AngelaCoupe 3 месяца назад
I was surprised and pleased to hear that it's a do over if the ball hits the center post during play.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Yeah interesting stuff eh?
@lonkrantz2038
@lonkrantz2038 6 месяцев назад
Rally scoring is so much better for keeping tournaments moving.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Very true!
@WilliamBrownGuitar
@WilliamBrownGuitar 6 месяцев назад
Good luck trying to determine which shots are a carry. Sure it's often obvious, but there is a huge gray area which will be impossible to determine. Re. a drop service rule: I think that's absurd. Many of us have worked hard to develop an effective and legal volley serve. This rule will be a totally unfair advantage to those who have worked on only the drop serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
I’ve found it to be relatively obvious but you’re right that you can’t know all the time. Those times when you don’t know, is when it won’t be called
@lindapotter2383
@lindapotter2383 6 месяцев назад
Do you have an example of a carry that you could post? @@pickleballplaybook
@tylerjanssen4731
@tylerjanssen4731 6 месяцев назад
The enforcement of effort rule only makes sense if a team was trying to get a lower seeding if they saw doing so as an advantage, or to manipulate standings. That’s my best guess as to why it was even a thing.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Good point!! If you try to get a lower seed, you’ll lose the tournament anyway because you’re clearly a head case imo. What do you think?
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
Billowing nets... there are a lot of courts out there in park districts with pickleball lines inscribed in tennis courts. Nets have to be lowered 2 inches and that leads to some billowing and gathering.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Interesting! 🧐
@SN-95
@SN-95 6 месяцев назад
So hw does rally scoring work for doubles? Can someone please explain it to me? Would it be like tabletennis where they take turns for few services and then opponent serves?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
The way that rally scoring works is as follows: Player on the right side of the court serves the ball to other right side player on opposite side of the court. If they win their serve it is now the left side players serve and they serve to the other left side player on the other side of the net. If they lose that point it is now the far sides serve. If the far sides score is odd, then the left side server will serve. If the far side score is even, then the right side player will serve. In essence, if you lose the point, it’s the other teams serve! You stay on the same side of the court (right or left) throughout the entire match.
@SN-95
@SN-95 6 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook so if i am on right side and we keep winning the points we keep switching between my partner and me? Can opponents score points ofniur serve like tennis or table tennis?
@timothybuege7231
@timothybuege7231 6 месяцев назад
pro tourneys usually accept a let serve as a do-over. should be a rule that let serves are always re-done IMO
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
In pro tournaments a let is always replayed. At the amateur level it is always a let. Hopefully that helps clarify for you!
@lesmundane3497
@lesmundane3497 6 месяцев назад
I agree. Let serves should be replayed. This is an aspect of the game that should mirror tennis.
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
Lets are boring. Count me as team "play on." Volleyball got wise to this over a decade or more ago and the sport very much survived. Net dribbler recoveries are pretty exciting to watch. Replays are not. The pros of course have their own rule on this which does add confusion at the rec level among those who are unaware USAPA rules do not have a let.
@adamh7947
@adamh7947 6 месяцев назад
The other day I won 10 points in a row with my serve. I've also won an entire 12 point game against 4.0 players with just my serve alone. That drop serve rule would definitely change pickleball for me.
@user-yh9fh9wb4l
@user-yh9fh9wb4l 6 месяцев назад
they are not real 4.0s if they couldn't even return a damn serve ... probably more like 2.0
@adamh7947
@adamh7947 6 месяцев назад
@@user-yh9fh9wb4l I was a competitive tennis player.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
I love it!
@ericrhinehalt1206
@ericrhinehalt1206 6 месяцев назад
How was this game any fun? As someone else said, not sure how a true 4.0 couldn’t return any serves.
@adamh7947
@adamh7947 6 месяцев назад
@@ericrhinehalt1206 it definitely was not fun for the other team. Fun for me though. As I’ve already mentioned above, I was a competitive tennis player.
@ProfessorB.
@ProfessorB. 5 месяцев назад
My biggest pet peeve everywhere I play is illegal serves (sidearm motion, mostly). Forcing serve to be on the bounce would take care of that for the most part. It would be better if people learned how to serve on the volley legally but that ship has sailed. Illegal serves is a real problem and if adopting a rule that requires serving off a drop is an effective way to deal with it, I’m ok with it.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Yeah it can be frustrating!
@incredable6211
@incredable6211 6 месяцев назад
Soooo like what's the recommended psi on these balls? cuz cuz I'm so tirade of losing those dang inflater thingys, they just always just like fall into the holes. jus sayin
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
lol for real!
@darciisabella
@darciisabella 6 месяцев назад
I'm confused because I just read that mini singles was approved in 2022. Is mini the same thing as skinny singles?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
They’re two different things actually. Mini is up at the NVZ and skinny is full half of the court starting with a baseline serve
@86309
@86309 6 месяцев назад
On skinny singles, Ive always wondered how the call is made for centerline in the NVZ?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
That’s a good question. I’m sure they’ll have some type of line cone they put out on both sides
@WoodJohnny
@WoodJohnny 6 месяцев назад
It’s already addressed in the new mini-singles rules. “1 B. An additional line must be provided that extends the centerline of the court through each non-volley zone. The color of this line is not required to be the same as the other court lines (e.g., if tape is used for the centerline extension.)“
@86309
@86309 6 месяцев назад
@@WoodJohnny perfect!
@kimleith1378
@kimleith1378 6 месяцев назад
Painters tape to the net.
@ricardohernandez9240
@ricardohernandez9240 6 месяцев назад
Can you clarify the rule about the carry. What happens if you were mid swing and accidentally skips on your paddle and it’s all one continuous motion. Is that still a fault? This issue came up in a game I played today .
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
If it skips it is legal. If it is a catch and throw it is a fault. Does that help clarify
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
multiple contacts in a single attempt are legal by rule (unchanged). If the ball smears across the paddle resulting in it getting flung... that's where it becomes a carry. The rule change is that this used to be legal if it wasn't deemed intentional. As officials should never be put in the position of trying to judge intent, the rule was changed to remove "intentionally" which means a lot more carries will be called. Similar situation on first team contacts in volleyball incidentally (where multiple contacts in a single attempt are legal, but carries/prolonged contact are not).
@mikehoyt7592
@mikehoyt7592 6 месяцев назад
I'm watching people hit what looks like illegal volley serves all the time. Going to a drop serve only rule would eliminate a lot of ambiguity. And I like the current side-out scoring
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah I’m with you. It solves all those problems!
@pl1532
@pl1532 6 месяцев назад
Better yet, only allow players who choose to hit their serve out of the air, to drop it (palm facing down) from a height not to exceed their waist. That would ensure it is not hit above the waist. Any violation should be called a fault by the referee.
@Grain_Damaged
@Grain_Damaged 6 месяцев назад
Some people, not the majority, are hitting illegal serves. This rule would have penalized all the players who are hitting legal serves.
@LuvMyCardiKids
@LuvMyCardiKids 5 месяцев назад
I was at the match with James Ignatowich/Anna Bright in Kansas City August of 2023 where the ball deflated. The reason it deflated was due to the heat and humidity. It was over 100 degrees on the court with really high humidity and in the blazing sun. One side of the ball flattened when it hit the ground and didn’t bounce. It was unreal.
@tordha
@tordha 5 месяцев назад
"Deflated" in that instance I think was pretty obviously a word choice brain fart of "degraded" but it is funny how ridiculous a non-inflated hard plastic ball deflating sounds.
@crownator
@crownator 5 месяцев назад
Exactly @tordha! If it’s not inflated to begin with how could it be “deflated”?! More like “caved in” which happened once when my friend pulverized an overhead - the ball looked like a butt afterwards!😂
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Did you see it live and in slow motion? Teach me your ways!
@LuvMyCardiKids
@LuvMyCardiKids Месяц назад
@@pickleballplaybook when the ball flattens and doesn’t bounce you don’t need slow motion. The entire section I was in gasped so we all saw it. I guess you had to be there to believe it was actually observable.
@Holden_P
@Holden_P 6 месяцев назад
Can you explain the “carry rule” that got approved? Does it include if you kind of double hit unintentionally off the paddle?
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Double hits are completely legal 👌
@Holden_P
@Holden_P 6 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook sorry… I can’t tell if you’re being serious or sarcastic
@GenX1964
@GenX1964 5 месяцев назад
I find that in order to time my serve with good rhythm I toss it ever so slightly maybe an inch or two up in the air. I see this frequently by other players. I think the pros do it sometimes but only a little. It's usually hard to detect if the ball went up slightly. I propose it is still in the spirit of the no undo acceleration to toss the ball up no more than the diameter of the ball about 3 inches on serve. Make it officially ok to toss the ball up 3 inches on serve. I find it so much easier to time my serve that way. The width of a ball would make it an easy height to judge.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Interesting 🧐 it’s part of the motion
@brianlane9534
@brianlane9534 2 месяца назад
No-one could consistently determine what 3 inches looks like. It is too subjective.
@halohawkxx
@halohawkxx 6 месяцев назад
Drop Serve not being a weapon... *laughs in 50mph Drop Serve*. I'm sorry, I have to kind of rebuttle that aspect of the drop serve; it CAN EASILY be a weapon for those who practice it well enough & have a very strong groundstroke Forehand (or Backhand). Even in Rec play, I've gotten a few no touch aces doing that. Granted, the Ace is extremely rare to begin with😅 but ummmm.... no, do not underestimate the Drop Serve's potential to be a full on weapon
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
You can’t hit a drop serve as fast as you can hit a volley serve because with a volley serve you can get away with a higher contact point. Yes you can still hit a drop serve hard, but it can never be as big of a weapon as a volley serve. This is exactly why I would prefer a drop serve cause then you don’t have to deal with cheaters hitting it at chest level lol
@halohawkxx
@halohawkxx 6 месяцев назад
@pickleballplaybook I don't know... I've been hitting similar levels to my volley serve. Then again, could be that my volley serve sucks🤣
@meb212
@meb212 6 месяцев назад
​@@pickleballplaybook I do almost exclusively drop serves and have hit more aces against people than I've seen others do with volley serves. Just my experience though, your mileage may vary
@MrConte29
@MrConte29 6 месяцев назад
I hit harder with a drop serve
@user-cd6fd5wh6q
@user-cd6fd5wh6q 6 месяцев назад
Volley serve or drop serve are both great serves and a player should be able to hit both. If contacting the pickleball to high provides some real or perceived advantage, USA Pickleball should define a maximum height for ball contact on the serve, at least at the pro and elite amateur levels. Example: 30 inches above the ground plane. With the net positioned cameras in use now or other means, it would be easy to measure a ball struck above the defined maximum height. And yes, it is a fault serve. Kind of like how MLB does with the projected box at home plate that shows pitched balls in or out of the strike zone. An umpire calling balls and strikes will soon be a thing of the past.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
🙌💯
@kb8978
@kb8978 5 месяцев назад
Only reason I see about forcing someone to "try" is to prevent setting up or rigging tournament matches. Example: If I lose and my opponent wins, that win for my opponent could give him a different seed, preventing me from having to play a specific 3rd player. Maybe I know this 3rd player is better at exploiting my weakness, but by losing my current game, it avoids me playing them until later in a tournament. I personally would never do this. But I know some poor sportsmanship players that would.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Yeah
@billwilson6541
@billwilson6541 5 месяцев назад
I give benefit of the doubt to opponent if they think a damaged ball affected the bounce as they were attempting to return my shot. Ridiculous to let the point stand.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Good man!
@86309
@86309 6 месяцев назад
WRT carrying the ball, does that include any slight double contact in the paddle face, I know locally that seems to be ignored unless its really obvious.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Double contact is legal so long as it is one continuous motion! Does that answer your question?
@86309
@86309 6 месяцев назад
thank you@@pickleballplaybook
@iskari-ladd5955
@iskari-ladd5955 5 месяцев назад
I’m assuming the net originally was a badminton net that the original inventors had up high and realized that the wiffleball bounced so they lowered it like a tennis net. the badminton net was long until they realized it would be nice to have the net be shorter, so that balls could roll freely underneath that, that only happened in the last few years I believe.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Noice! You’re assuming right
@bart1476
@bart1476 5 месяцев назад
There are a lot of paddles with long handles, not just one or two.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
☝️
@bbbb6066
@bbbb6066 6 месяцев назад
On ball deflate. While playing I fell on the ball and squish it. I was ok but the ball was not. Ben
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Hahahahahha
@mikesvirtualhikeandtours1721
@mikesvirtualhikeandtours1721 6 месяцев назад
Did I miss something? The pic has a X through the newest Selkirk paddle? Are paddles with holes being banned? What did I miss???
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
They’re discussing banning paddles that are the same or similar in color to the ball. They decided to hold off on any rule until next year!
@mikesvirtualhikeandtours1721
@mikesvirtualhikeandtours1721 6 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook Ahhhh. Got it. Thank you!
@ChadSolberg
@ChadSolberg 5 месяцев назад
Rally Scoring - Optional... Mandatory would severely hamper what pickleball is as a game.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Good idea! Optional
@MannyFu1
@MannyFu1 5 месяцев назад
I think drop serve only rule is more fair. As you said, it takes away a lot of arguments.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
100!
@rfitch14
@rfitch14 6 месяцев назад
Agree 100% with your drop serve comments. Hope it gets implemented asap.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Send them some mail and if enough people do, I’m sure they’ll put it back up for approval next year! USA Pickleball P.O. Box 7354 Surprise, AZ 85374
@rfitch14
@rfitch14 6 месяцев назад
Thanks. Will do.
@hopemassengale3616
@hopemassengale3616 6 месяцев назад
To clarify, it was Ben Johns, the one with the engineer degree, who declared the ball deflated because his partner Anna Leigh Waters , could not return the powerful slam from their opponent, James Ignatovich. The point was replayed with B Johns incorrectly serving from the wrong court. Ref went along with this circus act. Ben disrupted the momentum of the team of James IIgnat and Anna Bright, who were playing a top-notch game. I don’t watch the Johns-waters games much anymore. Also,new referees should replace the ones who make stupid or clearly unfair calls. Some don’t appear to be paying attention to the rally. Enough already
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Yes!
@56cdross
@56cdross 5 месяцев назад
Disagree on the Drop serve - the volley serve when done properly can be a great advantage for the serving team. It challenges people to practice their serve and decide which works best for them. Keep you hands off of this rule. An ace serve in pickleball is simply another unpredictable, fun and skill-testing part of this superfun sport. Let us have the freedom of choice.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
You just explained why the drop serve should be the only serve by saying, “the volley serve WHEN DONE CORRECTLY” that’s the problem 👍
@jameslogan7600
@jameslogan7600 5 месяцев назад
Definitely in favor of the drop serve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
Same!
@pickleballer1729
@pickleballer1729 6 месяцев назад
The no carry rule bugs me, because it;s going to be very difficult to enforce if there's not ref to make the call. I foresee a lot of arguments in rec play. NO RALLY SCORING in doubles!
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
It should be interesting!!
@deandesrosiers6857
@deandesrosiers6857 6 месяцев назад
I agree with you about going “drop serve only”. Changing the NVZ to 8 feet is not a bad idea. Like the ball change in golf, it could be rolled out over time. I am tall with long arms and I have a significant advantage over shorter players without my reach. Taller guys than me hardly notice the NVZ. The appeal of Pickleball was often about dinking and strategy and it slowed the game down, giving all skill levels access to fun play and longer rallies.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Haha it would be interesting at 8ft but probably a different sport
@bart1476
@bart1476 5 месяцев назад
Will never happen. Repainting all of those courts that have a 14 ft. kitchen zone would cost millions of dollars of needless expense.
@fernandoherranz4095
@fernandoherranz4095 5 месяцев назад
Nobody would follow this 8 foot NVZ rule even if it was passed. It would likely set off a rift in the sport: people playing on old courts vs new courts, and forcing park districts and such to redo their courts is a non-starter. We can barely get enough PB courts here in Chicago. Now tell them they have to redo their courts? Would people start saying that the area outside the NV zone is too small? Extending it also shortens the space where I can serve into if we're not extending the baseline. This has all sorts of potential trouble.
@georgiawalker4320
@georgiawalker4320 6 месяцев назад
Only drop serves should be allowed. No question about it.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
💪
@aadcunn
@aadcunn 6 месяцев назад
I like the new carry rule.. skinny singles could be an equalizer in a lot of situations, but I prefer regular singles
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Yeah it’ll be interesting!
@AlphaTennisinPittsburgh
@AlphaTennisinPittsburgh Месяц назад
Pickleball is America's fastest-growing sport and we like it #Pickleball
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook Месяц назад
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
@kittyha7745
@kittyha7745 6 месяцев назад
Completely agree with calling a carry. I have seen many people tossing the ball on a drop serve so I don't like the drop serve. I happen to have a really good volley serve. I don't see why it should be eliminated. The drop serve should be eliminated.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
You bring up another possible problem I never considered. People tossing the ball with a drop serve. Thats another thing that needs to somehow be sorted out!
@kittyha7745
@kittyha7745 6 месяцев назад
Sorry about my typing. I meant that I am also glad that they finally addressed a carry. When the ball is flung, or carried, on the paddle, it is really hard to guess where it might land. I have played with players who were able to do it ofen during games. As pickleball has roots in badminton, they should have followed the badminton rule of calling carries. I really don't understand why a drop serve was ever introduced in pickleball. There is no need for it and it complicates rules. Think of other sports with a serve, such as tennis, volleyball or badminton. They don't have a drop serve. Why was it introduced in pickleball?
@scubaseppy
@scubaseppy 6 месяцев назад
I think a carry in pickleball would be fun.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Haha until it happens to you
@IL4aerc
@IL4aerc 5 месяцев назад
Rally scoring can be a good option for tournament play! I have played in and seen several times that players skill level of 3.0 -3.5+ were being competing against those below 3.0 players. The rally scoring can help &/or level out the playing field at open tournaments. If the better players are having an "off day" the other team could have a chance to win.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Interesting perspective!
@billwilson6541
@billwilson6541 5 месяцев назад
I think the volley serve above the waist is not that hard to call and should be a fault. No need to forbid a toss on the volley serve or go to a drop serve only.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Good point. How is it managed in tournaments without refs though?
@kirklonegren4746
@kirklonegren4746 6 месяцев назад
Rally scoring promotes skill, not stamina. Rally score like the way we play now but with a point every time. IE change sides every point. Also, I have a pretty good drop serve. Good speed, topspin and curve.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
I like it. Not opposed to rally scoring. Especially in singles. I think most anyone can get a pretty good drop serve, but it will never be as good as a volley serve just strictly because of height. What do you think?
@kirklonegren4746
@kirklonegren4746 6 месяцев назад
I'm so upset about Mcguffins serve I would welcome the drop.
@Largecanyondog
@Largecanyondog 6 месяцев назад
Legal. I know the rules inside and out because I crack serves too and get called out EVERY DAY
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
👌💪
@listenup1864
@listenup1864 6 месяцев назад
Glad the proposal for the drop serve as the only serve failed. Just as there are different levels of play, volley serves allow greater variety, the ability to improve ones game and frankly if you can't handle an opponents serve, just practice 'til you get better. The game has sufficient traction that a rule does not have to be enacted to keep poorer players engaged. They can play at their own level, continue to improve and improve their skill level.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Well said!
@jamesbriggs1573
@jamesbriggs1573 6 месяцев назад
Great video but definitely disagree with you thinking the serve shouldn’t be a weapon. It’s part of the game.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Thank you 🙏
@scottmanthey3549
@scottmanthey3549 6 месяцев назад
Agree completely
@DropInScooters
@DropInScooters 6 месяцев назад
Completely agree with your take on the drop serve. It should be the only serve! Serve as a weapon in pickleball makes no sense. We may as well go back to playing tennis. Singles is where the serve is becoming a weapon and it makes it look like they're playing tennis but with inferior equipment. No one wants to watch that.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
💯 🙏
@snowman5202
@snowman5202 6 месяцев назад
As for rally scoring, I prefer it over side-out for the length of the game. When you have a even match, the two sides can play for a very long time. On the other hand, when the two sides are not even, the 11 point game is over in 5 minutes. In the circumstances where wait is long and you have no choice of who you play with, rally scoring of 21 points gives all players a chance to play a decent length game. Also, side out makes score keeping more complex. I played badminton and went through the conversion to rally scoring. At the time, everyone hated the new rule and no one wanted to convert. But it only took a short while for everyone to get used to it and now no one missed the side-out at all.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
This is interesting! When did the rule change in badminton?
@owenallenaz
@owenallenaz 6 месяцев назад
​@@pickleballplaybookvball went from rally to side out around 2000. Same fight. The old hats hated the change. By now, no one could imagine it any other way. Every point scores a point.
@snowman5202
@snowman5202 6 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook IIRC length of game was one reason, some games left players totally exhausted. The other was there were very few upsets. It's very difficult to beat a better player 2 straight points. IBW wanted more exciting games, hence the change. I think pickleball can use a little more uncertainty than Johns and ALW winning every tournament.
@user-su2ig3po2q
@user-su2ig3po2q 6 месяцев назад
Badminton and volleyball don’t have a positional difference between serving and receiving teams that I’m aware of. That positional advantage for the return team is why serve-only scoring was created - to give the game balance. If you want shorter games - play for 10 minutes, not to a particular score.
@lindsaymyers6331
@lindsaymyers6331 6 месяцев назад
Hi Austin, thanks for the rules updates. Re rally scoring... I'm not a fan. Side out scoring makes a player earn every point on their side of the ledger. You earn that right to score then you can start adding to your talley. Re drop vs volley serve...I have gotten use to volley serves but am not opposed to drop serve only. However, one should be allowed to "throw" the ball down as opposed to simply dropping it. The serve should definitely be a weapon in a competitive game. The refs are good enough to spot bad service procedures and make the appropriate calls. The game relies on refs to make much tougher calls for foot faults at the kitchen line when a toe goes over in the heat of a rally with eight feet to account for
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
Interesting perspective on the drop serve. I think throwing it down will cause the same problems that we currently have, but what do I know. I like side out scoring a lot, but maybe that’s cause it’s just what I’m used too. I guess we will see what 2025 brings!
@jeffsingletary1876
@jeffsingletary1876 5 месяцев назад
PPA seems to have changed the serve rule. At least McGuffin doesn’t look like he’s hitting sidearm.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 5 месяцев назад
Just for the masters tournament. They were trying it out. We will see if it sticks!
@tylerjanssen4731
@tylerjanssen4731 6 месяцев назад
I think there should be a service fault rule. Watching pro play is a little disheartening. As someone who can put some “oomph” on their serve at risk of hitting it out, it would be absolutely asinine for me to attempt a serve like that outside of recreational play. The pros just “get it in”. If I’m being honest I don’t think we will see a bunch of crazy ace serves if we adopt the double fault. Alternatively, if the argument would be that it slows the game down, each team could get a maximum of something like 3 faults per game. The serve deserves to be a weapon in any sport in which a serve is required. It’s the only shot that you have full control over. What this will do is help with position on the third shot if your opponent has a less effective return.
@pickleballplaybook
@pickleballplaybook 6 месяцев назад
They’re testing out a service fault rule in the ppa masters tournament this week. Should be interesting!
@tylerjanssen4731
@tylerjanssen4731 6 месяцев назад
@@pickleballplaybook I didn’t even know! That’s awesome I hope it gets received well!
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