NEW Psychopath: Ashamed, Empathic, Anxious (Primary Factor 1 F1 vs. Secondary F2 Literature Review) 

Secondary psychopaths sound like they are traumatized.

It sounds like the secondary phycop is a learned set of responses as a survival instinct from extreme trauma.

Wake up babe, new psychopath just dropped.

I have been wondering, if F2 and autism can co occur and how would it present 😁 Thank you for another amazing video and subject Professor

39:20 SPOT ON Borderline psychopath Narcissistic psychopath Excellent, Sam, whole heartedly agree with this as a fresh definition in terms of ease of understanding & accuracy, it’s perfect. 43:00 the predator characterization as well, really good stuff Great video, thank you.

Sorry, I love you. I didn't mean it. ❤

Professor, I used to think that I was a borderline with narcissistic tendencies but now I’m starting to believe more and more that I’m a secondary psychopath. Could I have been a borderline but healed out of it (I’m 36) so now I’m left with the secondary psychopath. I’ve never got along with any of my family members - all narcissists. Always pitied them and felt superior to them. I’m staying away from people and relationships and so my life is calm and peaceful. I guess there is nothing to trigger me

Finally! This video brings up all the things I've been questioning. I also think the perfect example of a psychopath in all of us, is disaster environments - you take food and water from people and they will all eventually turn psychopathic - I think each person has a different point of stress where this turns mechanism turns on in the mind. I also know I am absolutely psychopathic, BUT I can absolutely feel what other people do, I care more about people than regular people do, and I have very rigid pro moral beliefs that take real effort for me to break. It's like I'm impenetrable because I just don't care - or I don't care what anyone else chooses to do, even to do to me - BUT I do care what I do - and my reaction is usually passive rather than aggressive. I think that is the only difference. I'm technically a borderline, but I can choose to turn it on and off by will. I cannot hurt people even like normal people can and choose to empathize, but literally everything else but those fit me for a psychopath (primary) and psychopath (secondary) ONLY if I fall in love, which has only happened twice in my 37 years. I don't carry borderline traits when not in love.

Factor 1 never feels fear but you can tell when one did some very bad stuff the more paranoid they become because they missed out on the abilities and power of the "objects". Also let's keep in mind that theyre still people within theyre cultures and when you have a psychopath that grew up in a more Eastern way - as in corrupted and they are aware, or at least keep the possibility that "all or most can be out to get you" - they don't feel fear but the realization of missing out on information about others stresses them out. If you ever had the "luck" to meet psychopaths across cultures, which I have and I was dangerously close to at least 3 of them, the more Western ones are way more chill. A psychopath growing up in a first world country has gathered information from those around that the world is mostly a safe place, they are more protected and sorrunded by kind people and they kind of know they are the danger. They are way more reliant on the state and authorities and have usually perfected the goodie two shoes persona for them. I saw how one of them acted and they were mild in gaslighting (very rutheless and physically violent at times if met with resistance ) because they assumed a strong sense of justice and empathy in everyone. Take a look at psychopaths from let's say Eastern Europe (still the West but different upbringing ). They are waaay more calculated and usually manipulate their close cirlce and relationships because they know real power resides in communities and focus on that. Not the state system but power of family and groups - which also reflects the values of their upbringing. They also dont underestimate the power of the crowds and close circles so they tend to become more paranoid in time than their Western counterparts. I was writing some other comment about how can we even know if one feels genuine shame or just frustration thats interpreted as such but I had to write about this when you said they are a different kind of human. For this so called different species it is kind of ironic how impactful culture is on them. I'd be nice to have a video about psychopaths and secondary psychopaths across cultures especially when personality disorders by definition are molded by environments and not genes

I think we're all terrible creatures. Every single one of us.

Desperation of narcissistic supply from your child ?

Just a theory: I'm a firm believer that secondary psychopathy is changed brain structure through abuse, the brain protecting us, like the brain of someone with cptsd who has been in a long term relationship with someone abusive.

At last, i can come out in peace. As i meet a lot of the ASPD criterias, but i know i do have empathy (no matter how small). I see the opportunity to take advantage of someone, and i usually weigh if my acts will cause them life long trauma. If yes, I'll find another way that cause less trauma, but still get to my goal. I've argued it on the internet, but people just say "yeah! We hear you... you trying to manipulate us again aren't you"

Also brain injuries, especially young

Looking forward to this one! Thank you for your work.

🍿 my narcissistic ex just stole my phone and erased all pictures of my 4 year old son and made screenshots of WhatsApp conversations between me and other women… (i am single)😂 When confronted she says she is protecting herself. No remorse…

many years ago was helping a young friend with schizophrenia and he gave your book as a gift "malignant: self-love". I still have it until now on one of my book shelves. That was when I was fascinated in learning about why people are so obsessed with themselves to the point of sickness.

Your enthusiasm for learning is infectious. Thank you for this presentation, Professor.

I consider myself having psychopathic traits. Thought people are just playing everything for benefit (benefitting from being "good" in society, not doing things that are considered "antisocial" etc). When I read smth on psychopathy, I was internally agreeing, but thinking those are examples of illogical people that break law. And I wouldn't break law just to get diagnosed or smth My empathy is cognitive, I would decide to focus on a person. Anxiety is subtly present, but it's more of a distress (it probably formed from a lack of a permanent available object/parent) First on my healing journey I found shame though. And related it to narcissistic trauma, but comparing to my partner who has it in a more obvious way, it's a different thing. If he feels "guilty" all the time for no reason, I feel no remorse or guilt whatsoever. Only if my actions caused an animal to feel bad.

2030 Novel Research(update): “Technically, ALL species are on a spectrum of psychopathy. Disastrously, if Mom, Dad, and the Community fails to adjust you to pro-social living (i.e., allowing ‘acceptable’ levels of psychopathy), Mother Nature will raise you, and good luck with that!”

To add - I think maybe psychopathy begins with all choices, actions, thoughts beginning and only coming from within rather than being initiated from the environment. I personally don't need anything from people, nor do I get anything from them (being validated, being loved, being needed, being called beautiful, people wanting to be my friend) I get no positive chemical reaction in my brain. I make zero decisions, choices, actions based on what anyone else wants or thinks. I cannot even keep my personal life organized the way society does, and I think it is because I don't get motivating chemical reactions from people to stay in line. But, I also get no enjoyment or chemical reaction from hurting people or seeing them hurt, same way as I don't when I do something for them .

Hey Sam, with regard to child upbringing (adversity or pampering = abuse) can you provide some commentary / video / resource as to what a healthy parent(s) do when they bring up their children in a healthy manner?

Thank you ~

😅Trump is a perfect Example

Thank you so much Dear Sam❤

My issue with using the DSM-5 diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder to cover psychopathy is that psychopaths may entirely be psychopaths while completely not meeting the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. Not all violate the law nor are they rebellious youth necessarily so the requirement for a dx of conduct disorder by age 15 is not appropriate in my opinion. Psychopaths may not present as adults who violate the rights of others or lack empathy. They may wear a mask that hides this. They can appear to be law-abiding, healthy and altruistic good people and that just doesn’t meet with the criteria for antisocial personality disorder. A different category for psychopathy should be in place.

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Psychopathy has an interesting history and seems to have evolved slowly but surely over the past few decades. Subtle insights have been added and important studies have been carried out but the subject itself is being kicked around the internet as a scapegoat to confuse and frighten people. The professors work is refreshing in that sense, handling the subject with respect, and providing us with the consensus opinion and an informative context to build up a greater understanding. This level of insight would be useful in the family court/dispute context, educational settings, mediation of all kinds, advocacy/lobbying and the medical community as a whole. I look forward to learning more from this gentleman and others that are mentioned in his talks (links are in the description).

I have to agree with you in your view deviating from a main stream that there are so called "good and bad ACEs " or " less and more impactful ACEs " and its presence or absence and influence on development of pathology or deviant from normality behaviors, symptoms or personality disorders.I was aware of these concepts when my 2 boys were growing up and tried to compensate for their absent and emotionally unavailable father and husband.My intent was good, yet I caused ACEs for my boys thinking I was doing my best and intelectualised everything and over-compensated by perhaps being too concerned by offering too much love and concern or doing a job of 2 parents in this aspect. One child, who is now 20 years old is okay,friendly and emotionally mature but the 2nd,older one who is 26 years old and more complex or more difficult child turned against me when I finally divorced my husband of 30 years this year.I am battling the dilemma of genetic predisposition and environmental influences.By compensating for an non-ideal environment and an effect of an absent father on my boys thinking I was capable and smart doing that I created ACEs.I know this today (in retrospect) and agree with you Prof ! I tried to give double love,double emotional support, double encouragement,double help while disciplining my boys too.I did it in a healthy balanced way, text book way not in a " blind guilty way". I thought I was not going to change my husband so why not be smart and offer more if he can't. My older son turned against me,called me an abusive narcissistic mother who caused trauma and PTSD for him,never cared for anybody but myself,utterly insulting heart breaking impossible to talk about or fix.Cut off like I never existed. His sense of entitlement,cold hurtful behaviours,blames,resentments,aggressive attacks, almost like childhood amnesia are severe.These traits started to show when he was 23 years old and he was a more difficult child than his brother.I thought we were close and I did a good job.I didn't want to break a family a stayed in an unloving marriage.Both boys encouraged divorce.My husband turned against me and so did my older son as the divorce process started and experience were shocking and ugly. I experienced a narcissistic discard.I believe there is a genetic component and pre-disposition in my older son,inherited from his father and regardless of what I would have done outcome would be the same.Whether I divorced earlier or not my older son would display these tendencies.My behaviour and overcompensation for cold father did not help anything and are ACEs and surely contributed to the outcomes. Younger son understands,has good relationship with mom,dad and brother yet comes from the same environment.I am trying to have good relationship with ex husband and my older son yet I exhausted all my options and efforts and status quo remains.If I reach out,punishment is severe and there is no empathy in both of them.Zero ! I am just a biological mother if I am putting it right and an ex of no value. Discarded ex -supply.So nature or nurture ? Clinical view really makes it better for me,signs should not be ignored and even if you are aware and educated about these troubled persons and concepts it really is complex with no definite cures and answers or manuals how to deal with it. So it all boils down to healthy level of empathy because a lack of it or too much of it is just bad.Is it possible to cultivate it in others through environment or ourselves ? Are we born with it or born without it ? Is my son's brain different to mine or a combination of factors ? I've been puzzled by nature and nurture influences for many years, wasn't ignorant or unaware.Studied Psychology ,applied different approaches to myself and others in full awareness of possible outcomes of ignorance yet, 26 years later received a major smack over my face in complete disbelief.I never imagined in my wildest dreams what was coming my way. All I can say from experience the traits you Sam describe are pretty stable traits,present at birth and quite difficult to modify or treat.Environment strengthens or weakens these complex traits but it never really goes away, are we really born with a clean slate as perfect babies and then we get ruined and we ruin ourselves and others ? So yes encouraging empathy is very important because there is always a chance these affected individuals would want to be kinder to themselves and also to others.We would be able to walk away from them on time in self respect and maybe they would want to get better through therapy if they feel the pain they inflict on others and not only cognitively understand. Your lectures and talks are very valuable and helpful for all knowledge hungry people,for those deviant from normality or the so called normal ones.We are not slaves to our genes,environments,biology or all three. We are not primitive Vikings, so empathy and intellectual stimulation should always be encouraged and that perhaps is an answer to our human problems.It's extremely important to clearly define pathology,educate and research on continuous basis ! Thank you! I appreciate this talk a lot,very nish,very interesting !

Why are borderlines predators? :(