Yep: 9.20 D) A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs. Penalty kick
@@theplace07 This is true but it is still technically illegal. Breaks 2 laws; deliberately coming off your feet in a ruck and deliberately collapsing a ruck. Nigel Owens said last yesterday right after Jack Willis' injury, "the law is there it is just not being refereed correctly. Law15.12, 15.16(b), 15.5
Yeah its a mistake I think, the changes are the definition of Jackler being added plus this section under 9.20 D) A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs. Penalty kick
Yeh I thought this was still legal too but only on the upper body, otherwise becomes almost impossible to clear out when the opponent gets themselves in a good position
Hey, Steve, thanks for your reply....I think I know what you mean by "a large scrum of bodies" in the loose, as it was common view that it was ALL forwards job some how to get to the loose and often the ball wasn't "processed" or played until all forwards got there. That was silly and depleting for the forwards (particularly the props and hookers who got the latest start). However, I'm lost by your suggestion of disorganization ( maybe at the lower levels of the game it was disorganized) as coaching manuals and instruction generally stressed the loose should as much as possible configure like the set piece and the better teams more accomplished that than the lesser ones. As well, I'm lost by breathe near the ball to win a turn over....As I view old tapes of top games and still have a memory of the 19 years I played, to win a turn over took not luck but solid establishment of position and "moving forward" if the loose broke down or the ball was not emerging. That usually entailed getting to the ball (ie tackled player who had to release the ball "immediately") first and/or with the most "ooomph" ie one player on a rampage or a number of players arriving together ("Take a friend to the ruck") and stepping over the player if he had released but hadn't rolled away ( some refs let him be "rucked" ie stepped on....That disgusted me as rucking over him and heeling the ball back into him meant he was offside.....Penalty, but certainly not for having breathed near the ball) This also meant that a ruck ( or maul) but many mauls became rucks by design...could push the ball down the field and require the opposition to commit bodies to the loose thereby creating space for the back line. This was called tactics. What emerged from that tactic and was based again on getting more to the loose first, was inter-positional play....ie instead of backing up from the loose, backs entered it and forwards formed in the back line. This SHOULD be how the game is played...by players whose primary brief is skill and fitness....individual and unit skills and thus the game, even at the highest levels calls to body types of all sizes. Teams are typically one to two stone heavier on average then they were as little as 10 years ago....and with the aid of 8 subs the extra beef is not a hindrance. Note that the top players in the world in the 1970's and much of the 80's would be too small to earn a try out at their position for their national teams today....despite their speed and skills. So, something major has changed and I submit, as might an architect, the most active quantum is often the smallest. In this case, the lack of release of the ball immediately by a tackled player and the LAWS that govern what the defense is allowed in response to a player tackled lying on or near the ball for up to 9 seconds (I've counted)...seemingly his back is the offside line and the ball can only be played thusly...ie the jackel who is virtually undefended in body position and could be shoulder charged in a manner not allowed if one were engaging a tackle. So, now we have defenders spread out across the field as there's nothing left for them to do and no space for ball movement so the bigger lads are recruited to bash through the defense which will do the same and as well must have bigger lads with which to defend. Still true is the adage " a good big one is better than a good little one", but my concern is that as American gridiron football devolved given the platooning system (players used to play most of the 60 minute game) now play half of the 20 minutes of action....not a need for aerobic fitness and so the game becomes a big boys game. I fear for the future of both sports....and lets add to that the increase, I would say as a result, of head injuries.
Jackler safety is LONG over-due and I have made a point of it for at least 6 years in various rants on rugby site postings. Of course, if the tackler player were required to place or release the ball "immediately" as the LAWS are WRITTEN, then the jackler, if still so-called, would not be in harms way....He would merely be the first person to arrive on the scene and rather than have to wrestle the ball free from a tackled player who was holding it until his support arrived, the ball would be free to be picked up. Loose play became a joke with the advent of a very curious and incorrect interpretation by referees of the word "immediately". Indeed, if the ball were released immediately, then why would the jackler have to expose himself as undefended by playing the ball from only the back of the tackled player. There'd be no excuse to call this a ruck, (which it isn't as Laws say "on the feet") and he could step over the tackled player and turn his back to the tackled players support and thus be in a better defended position, or he could pick the ball and run until he was tackled. This all strikes me as very much how loose play was conducted until the mid 1990's. The (d)evolution from the loose play, ie ball not released immediately and the back of the tackled player becoming the offside line, even he was tackled in a different position, he was allowed to roll back over to assume that position.....means defense was given no role to play at the site of the tackle, so had to spread out across the pitch ie no space in which to move the ball. Thus, rugby becomes a bash through the defense which takes larger and larger players as who are now given substitutes ( 8 of them) and injuries follow as we must "win the collision" as opposed to "take the tackle on your own terms" which meant in a manner that the ball remains available to your side more so than to the other side. Much of what now is the spectacle of yawning sameness is the result of ball not be released immediately in the tackle and some brain trust deciding that a more fluid game was the result of favoring the side in possession of the ball with Laws that made keeping possession easier. I disagree ....it makes the game more like rugby league which was even more a yawn than American gridiron football was 20 years ago....run right, run left, make a pass (oops), punt. It was only "instant re-play" that made gridiron football "seem" like there was a lot of action. Nope, less than 20 minutes in a 21/2 hour broadcast.
So you’d rather see a large scrum of bodies where everyone has to support the ball carrier because all the opposition have to do is breath near the ball and they’ll win a turnover? Watching old rugby, loose play was one of the worst parts to watch because it looked like nothin was organised, and teams win the ball based on luck rather than any skill.
Pretty sure its a mistake in the video croc roll is still allowed, 9.20 sectionD) was just added and reads "A player may lever the jackler out of the contest at the ruck but must not drop their weight onto them or target the lower limbs. Penalty kick"
I heard a rumour that jacklers now have to make an effort to take the ball rather than tuck it in and win the penalty. It was just a rumour though I'm pretty sure
Yes, tehy have to show intent of gathering, putting your hands on the ball no longer suffices for a penalty. Although like apl things in the ruck, a ref will usually struggle to see exactly what's going on so a pen might be awarded even if you're just placing your hands on the ball.
There should be no such thing as a jackler. When a player is tackled either the ball is free on the ground to be picked up anyway or a ruck forms and only feet can be used.Jacklers have only come about due to referees not enforcing existing laws properly and players originally bending them by picking the ball up when they shouldn't have done and tackled players not releasing
I am not happy about these rule changes. Hey, they did wussy changes to American football and now you have to dilute rugby just the same...why??? How come they didn't play full squad and only sevens in the Olympics??? "WRONG. " As a total fan of rugby (I am 67 years old now) and I played this outstanding game for 10 years several decades ago, I think that the new rules are cheapening the product. I hope they shit can the new rules and get back to real rugby!!!
