Breaking news, this isn't a secret, they have been doing this for years... I don't care how much money you have to blow on cards or how much you rip. The same groups hitting bangers daily & weekly, c'mon now people
I recently spent $300USD on a hobby box of Panini Donruss soccer and got absolutely hosed. It contained a $5 auto and a $2 mem card. 3 base Yamine Lamal cards would net me back maybe $25. Until recently I've assumed that high print runs are the reason why 90% of the time you flush most of your money down the toilet when you break wax. However, what if Panini or their US distributors don't even send the good stuff to this part of the world? Anyway, that box broke the camel's back so to speak and I'm done with wax. I can deal with losing when the playing field is fair. But if it's rigged I can't deal with it. And I'm now convinced that it is rigged.
I got F'd hard by CGC on my last submission. paid 900+ to grade 30 cards... with subgrades.. not one 10. and then I got a bunch of whack 9.5s. that I have to literally send back for them to turn into 10s because NOW they are considered 10s... lol so whack
I watched some videos of people opening a $400.00 box of the new tops cards and got 3 no name autos and doubles of multiple no name players. No way it way worth $400.00 dollars. Felt sorry for the guy
Many years ago, dealers used to “cherry pick” their hobby boxes. There used to be manufacturing differences with the packs that had inserts. So it was easy to tell by looking at each pack, whether or not it had an insert. This was in the 90’s.
I remember 20+ years ago someone used a CT scanner on an original sealed tobacco pack to make sure that the card was there. With modern equipment you can actually create an image that will allow you to read the text on the cards.
This is the most corrupt lawless hobby on planet earth. There's a con around every corner. And scammers are allowed to remain a part of the hobby with no repercussions. Get out why you can young ones.
A CT Scanner capable of doing this is going to cost $150k+. However, if the sports card world doesn't see this as a problem they are mistaken. Any card collector working for a hospital, vet clinic, or rehab facility will have access to these machines. They could scan an unopened box and if no logo man they just return open box or sell for slight discount until to get a winning box. With some of these logo mans being the highest price cards in the industry this absolutely needs to be address. Happy Hunting!
Pack searching and card scanning has been going on for years. I remember over 20 years ago people using high powered x-ray machines. People are just getting more sophisticated in their methods. Eliminating the wax packs in the mid to late 90's reduced searching somewhat. I don't know if anything can be done to prevent scanning.
Those videos are just showing that it's possible. In terms of practicality, it would be ridiculously cost ineffective scanning through a bunch of $250 packs looking for a $1000 card. A normal CT scan at the dentists office costs them at least 300-$350 per scan due to the power consumption. Scanning packs of cards searching for hits requires the use of certain post-processing effects which have MASSIVE power requirements beyond a normal CT scan. I don't know exactly how much it could cost per scan, but I can guarantee it wouldn't be less than $1000. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was much more than that. So this is really only a problem for the ultra expensive stuff.
@@uthmanibn-jafar1159 wrong video I guess because those videos show how CHEAP it is to do it. They were buying USED MRI Machines for $1500 or less as a one time expense There was one for sale in Tulsa last week for $1200 on CL when we looked :-/
Just a question…but could it be possible with the AI tech we have today…could the card companies be scanning boxes and giving those to certain breakers?? Seems there are several of the big breakers are pulling one of ones and specials cards and hot cards…while everyone else pays 70.00 bucks for a mega and can only get 10-15 dollars out of it… Seems something is very crooked in the hobbies these Can it really be possible that the card companies can know what cards are in each box.. Giving them the ability to scan boxes with a bar code and being able to tell every card in a box ? Pick out the loaded boxes to give to there breakers 😢
This can be easily fixed by Panini and Topps inserting x-ray films inside boxes or cases. If a CT scan machine was used the x-ray film would be exposed. This would help to alert the buyer or break participant that their boxes were searched. This could be difficult issue with second hand market for resale purposes, but honestly most of these high dollar boxes are opened from breakers. Breakers hold the liability and just have to be more transparent of where the cases or box were purchased from.
Been seeing it since early days when GPK included printing plates and folks used metal detector wands in stores to search packs and boxes for printing plate hits.
I remember in 1991 hearing of people searching cases of donruss for the Elite Series cards. Supposedly they were using a metal detector. I actually pulled a Matt Williams Elite Series from a box that I bought back then.
On a much smaller scale…I’m sure it’s easy enough to open packs, re-seal with a factory heat machine then reshrink wrap the blaster box. Hard to know what’s going on!
I mean if you aren't buying direct or from a trusted store owner, there's a big chance of people on the secondary market doing this and it'll become more common. For example if you are buying sealed magic the gathering, DO NOT buy packs or anything short of an actual booster box, some sets can be box mapped after opening just a few boosters. Or they could open a portion of it hit money cards and sell the rest sealed essentially selling on average lower Estimated Value packs to people. Just be smart when purchasing.
You missed a part of the issue that you didnt get to see very well there. With a higher end CT you can cut narrow enough layers you can see things like numbers or symbols embossed or embedded into the card.
When Geoff said: " i hope they're not doing it." That is not comforting. That's the type of plea that follows the forgone conclusion that it is happening. Thanks for discussing it.
Hey guys, just a heads up you might wanna look at your audio levels. It seems like your voice is constantly overloaded. You might want to lower your recording levels a little bit. I’ve noticed this in the past few videos. keep the content coming!
heck back in the late 80's i had a friend who would use a metal detector to find foil cards from packs. He went all in on a Star Trek set and went from location to location with his hand held metal detector checking packs.
I just bought a Julio Rodriguez US97 rookie debut black printing plate. Of course its a 1/1. I am building the rainbow in PSA slabs (mostly 10s a few 9s and one 8 so far) and I only need two cards to complete it aside from the 1 of 1 cards. I wasn't planning on doing any of the 1 or 1s but I saw this pop up and had to have it. I paid $1500. I didn't care about comps when I purchased. What do you guys think? Did I overpay?
In the 90s I knew that some companies would put the inserts in the same place. Also some people would ru through them at stores & no where the chase was .
TPott’s pricing class video is for beginners who are just entering this space. For most of us who have been in this a while now, we all know when someone says, “there is no comp, I don’t know how to price this”, we all know it’s a negotiation tactic trying to force the other side to throw an offer first. TPott! Give an advanced class by tweaking the “ZOPA (zone of potential agreement)” framework and teach how to apply it in card negotiations!
From GE medical they cost like 300k to 1.5 mil depending on how many "slices" the can scan the ones that do 200+ slices are over a million...or just find a sports fan doctor that has a private clinic with one and give him some cards to let u use it
This is an issue with pokemon cards. The video on that said you can find used ones for $1500 or less on local markets The pokemon foil cards come out crystal clear 😮
Scanners can pick up base cards as well. Someone was doing it as an experiment on Pokémon packs. Shows it picks up the images in the packs. Really sucks this stuff is being done. Unfortunately things like this has been going on for years
You don’t think this should have gone public? It absolutely needed to in order to stop people from scamming and change things for the better. It clearly isn’t fair for all.
Um yeah on the Goldin show on Netflix they use one to scan Apple iPhone boxes, why wouldn't it be used for other things. The idea was around long before.
I always weigh my topps chrome packs before I open them. For PC of course. But I save my heavy packs for last so hits are last. I never buy single packs online anymore because I can't be the only one that does that
Increased checklist coupled with more parallels plus add in the fact that baseball rookies don't command the same value in the open market as NBA/NFL flagship rookies (i.e. silver refractors vs silver prizm) and I think baseball fans are worried they'll just keep increasing towards NFL/NBA boxes when the singles prices don't reflect that. Also, Geoff laughing while basically saying "I buy $1500 boxes for my kids. We're complaining about a few hundred bucks." felt like a "Haha, you're poor!" moment and I'm personally offended. 😂
23:45 T-Pott, you might be in luck. Detroit is in town Monday-Thursday for a 4-game set against the Guardians. You could easily rub elbows with him and/or watch him pitch at Progressive Field ⚾️
First of all, if they bought the box already and then scanned it, it doesn't really hurt. However they could sell off boxes they don't see hits in but can they see more than just a logo man? I don't see this being in ANY WAY widespread. I'm sure the number of serious collectors or flippers who buy flawless do not ALSO have access to cat scanners or MRI machines
There is a reason I (and many others) rip baseball and hockey and never ever touch anything hobby from football and basketball and if baseball starts increasing those prices they’ll be in that category too. It’s great that you’re okay with the price doubling but most people don’t have that kinda money and aren’t ripping football or basketball hobby for $1400 lol
I was thinking of investing in this product I don't think I'm going to now but I think they should package the card inside of some kind of lead baggie that might help so the CT scan can't scan through it's only fair that they figure something out people will stop buying their products I really want to buy them but what I see now I'm not so sure
Introduce like scrape ”lotterie card” inside every box, so lucky ones can claim from creator. Every pack get this scrape lotterie but only few winners get 1 of 1 cards.
Price Point of 24 Topps Chrome Baseball is keeping me away. It's all gambling and going with breakers seems to lower your chance of hits in my opinion. The volume is there but getting random teams sucks and over paying for PYT is annoying.
About a week ago, I spent $1,100 on boxes and didn't get squat. A bunch of $3.00 cards that weren't even worth listing. After that, I'm convinced that boxes are the scratch off lottery tickets of trading cards. If you buy boxes or packs, you are most likely throwing your money into the trashcan.
CT scan? Meaning some of the boxes shoots with radiation. Not sure if there's a way to track radiation level on cards or boxes to null the value or similar to litmus paper that reacts for certain radiation threshold.
It means if you have an average of $150K you can buy a scanner and search for $10,000.00 cards. However, if you're buying $20K boxes you're going to have to have hit a grail or two or you'll never break even. If you have that much money, just go buy what you want.
I was scammed a different way. I bought a Connor Bedard hockey card, took a few weeks to get in the mail. Opened up the package, and the Bedard card was not in it. Just a handful of worthless base cards. Quickly emailed the seller, he responded with a lame story. He said I bought in for a chance to get that card, and I requested a full refund. He offered half a refund. Emailed both ebay Canada and PayPal. Ebay took awhile to respond, PayPal has not said a thing.
6:35 anyone has access to it like you said earier vets have them ..or find a private clinic with one ...there are actually companies that have ct scanners for non medical things that companies take like prototypes to scan and things like that
I've seen 1 of 1 cards from this year listed for $125,000.00. I'm wondering what kind of drugs these people are on. And boxes for thousands and thousands of dollars. Some people just have too much money.
Here’s my thought process on what a big breaker like backyard would do 1. Scan box for big hit. 2. Have alt account or friend buy that team in that break 3. Rip big hit live and get TONS of marketing/publicity for it 4. Then they get to keep or profit off the card 5. During the process they’re actually ripping off the people buying into the breaks… Not saying it’s happening.. but think about it. They always get huge hits on stream. Clearly could just be buying that team in that break for themselves secretly
As someone who installs, troubleshoots, and runs maintenance programs on CT scanners for a living this would absolutely work for a product like Impeccable to find gold and silver bars. As far as places that would have access to this. Definitely any hospital or imaging clinic, vet hospitals, any airport, and large shipping company certainly. Logistically it would be difficult to purchase and install one in any sort of residential anything.
Public Service Announcement: I sent Beckett 102 cards which they received on February 4th to authenticate on a 45 day turnaround. It has now now been well over 100 days as of July 19th. Beckett: I JUST reached out for an update. All of the cards have been graded/sleeved and sealed as of end of day today and I am hoping that they will all be encapsulated tomorrow. I will keep you posted with any updates I get. I will reach out to you by the end of day tomorrow. No more updates. Do we have any thing we can do about our cards being held basicly hostage. They can't be that busy at beckett. How bout a video in this nonsense
