NEW Spell Type! How does MELEE DAMAGE REFLECTION work? - Warhammer 3 

A further note of interest. To quote CA Duck: "Melee Damage Reflection damage bypasses armour and it is neither physical nor spell damage. The only resistance that can affect is Damage Resistance (vs all)."

I hope that older lores are updated with these new effects like Shield of Thorns and Cascading Fire Cloak; the new damage reflection seems very fitting for those specifically and I'm sure there's other new mechanics that could also apply to older spells.

Shield of thorns also needs this.

1:37 that enemy poxbringer is an absolute chad, just stormed through both units just to 1v1 your lord. Absolute legend.

The damage is 100% AP and bypasses both physical and magic resistance, judging by how it deals exactly 28 damage to the herald of Khorne (40 armour, 20% physical resist, 25% spell resist) every time it attacks the herald of Nurgle, which is not AP.

Again a video, for those who want to know all the little specifics (full pro gamer mode). Great as always!

When I hear "damage reflection" my first question is whether or not the unit that's reflecting the damage also takes the damage, or whether the amount that's reflected is subtracted from the damage being dealt to the reflecting unit. Conceptually I could see it going either way. I don't think that was covered here though...

Seeing that one on one forsaken fight makes me excited for the return of "Who's the best?" Warhammer 3 edition!

Absolutely brutal against charging Hexwraiths, they'll melt themselves with their magic attacks. If used in an engagement against a single entity, it's relatively better against those with high melee stats and low hp pool, but those generally don't do that much splash so I think something like Spirit Leech will do comparatively more damage (but doesn't give armor).

Shield of thorns would suit this spell effect really well

Maybe test it against a cavalry charge?

haha thorns builds were always hilarious, this should be fun to use. assuming it makes its way to a roster with squishy missile inf it'll be fantastic to drop on archers just as they're collapsed on by hound units due to their low model size allowing them to pack high numbers in around enemy models, which is the secret to their high dps despite having stat lines that are, uh, lacking in.. numbers, mainly. what few there are are few in.. themselves. fuck. your archers low def becomes an advantage, as does the high dps of the hounds which are already so fragile, on a charge they'll just melt themselves into a shatter before the attacker can pull them away. might be a good 2v2 strategy if it remains exclusive to these lores.

this is also present on armor pieces for the daemon prince. it's pretty awesome. cause you can have an anti large weapon equipped for fighting lords, but damage reflection gives you huge anti-infantry damage.

Well, darn. This could probably utterly ruin some of the really big monsters like Dread Saurians or Rogue Idols who have like 12 splash targets....

Thank you for making this kind of in-depth content.

Man that firebelly’s anomqtions is really good

That is a much more significant spell than I initially thought it'd be. Very useful information, thanks.

Love that you always cover the areas most other content creators won’t.

Doesn't solve the problem of "just shoot them and run" for Nurgle but does accentuate his strong point : Being tanky and grinding the melee.

So you should preferably cast it to a unit with low melee defense? If the enemy can't hit you, you won't reflect anything right?

The damage reflection ability is also offered as a passive ability on some Demon Prince body pieces

Holy shit, this counters tanky units super hard, esp really hard to kill lords I think this might be the only option nurgle has vs large too

It's such a lovely concept. It opens up so much door for bait tactic against buff heavy comp. Wait until enemy's stat boosting ability goes off, then send in your cheap tie down unit with reflection popped for massive profit. Of course it's probably easier said than done but can't wait to try it out in MP.

At about 1:21, there are a ton of grave headstones littered throughout. I wonder if thats a special affect from Vamperic corruption or if there was a large battle fought where there were a lot of casualties?

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Spell reflect damage is probably AP. Most spells that aren’t vortex (like spirit leech)only do “damage” and this has no split and it ignores armor. You can check in DAVE and see if the spell lists it’s damage type. Vortex spells list regular and AP. Spirit leech just lists “damage” with no separate AP component.

The scientist delivers once again

This seems like it could melt units with fast attacks like Dire Wolves.

i hope cascading fire cloak is buffed to have this, and maybe the shield of defiance for beligar

Curse of the leper will be a staple spell that will be a must cast for nurgle to micro at all times won't it? especially on GUO with the armor bonus due to them being targeted by range.

kinda wierd that int only works on a hit for nurgle at least considering a big part of their whole schtick is having high melee defense. However its understandable since guarenteed damage would prolly be a bit too strong especially since its apparently AP damage magical.

Big takeaway here: Bloodthirster lords absolutely chew through single entities.

My ass just realised that Zerkovich says at the end of videos ''see you in Zzfuture'' because hes Zerkovich

Ah man I love thorns.

Thanks for making this. Good tip

Khorn followers are going to hate this spell so much !

Re: single entities vs infantry, using this spell on a character labeled as a duelist won't do anything useful. Duelists (i.e. Sigvald the Magnificent) don't have large numbers of splash hits and won't take any real damage from the reflection effect.

Really useful breakdown, thank you!

Now that reminds me of Po vs Tai Lung in Kung Fu Panda

Imagine how amazing will it be against krimsonkillerz soth waagh active. An onfantry unit with splash attacks and amazing attack valie attacking for example nirglings. It will just crush them!

I wonder if the way the main menu screens and spell lore screens are presented this way just for the early access game,i bet on the 17th the screens will look more like1 and 2 ,not everything being boxes,i hope im right.

Nice, put it on a unit that won't route and is completely surrounded and watch the enemy bodies drop. Would make for some interesting last stands.

it will reflect 14 damage back, does the unit take 14 less damage aswell?

Melee Damage Reflection. AKA: STOP HITTING YOURSELF!

Does it deal damage to the attacker AND prevent damage to the defender?

How does it work with resistances?

Want to know how missile reflection magic of yin and reflection of spear infantry work.

Cool info thanks

Thats will be intresting in multiplayer

You use the uno reversal card beating your enemies to death

So this spell like a missile mirror but instead range attack it reflect melee attack. One Question Zerkovich: did it reflect melee attack, weapon strength or both?

Do you know if the ‘reflected’ damage is the same type as original attack.? i.e Magic, Flaming, Armour piercing. Because that would be amazing vs ethereal units like Wraiths, but awful against things like Dryads.

Hey, where can I see all these spells and lores of magic with the ability to see the changes of overcast vesion of the spell. Is this a feature in TTW3 or a website?

Why didn't Cascading FIRECLOAK and Shield of THORNS get this? I mean you're literally Surrounded by flames/Have spikes coming out of your body. Should be changed imo.

do you think multiattack models, likes demigrif knights, will proc this on both rider and demi attacks?

Still don't see a way out of being zoned as nurgle.

is the reflected damage reduced in any way, such as by physical or magical damage resistance?

is it real reflect though? So does it also reduce the dmg taken bei the amount reflected or is it just that the unit eats the full amount of damage and then the ability "proccs" and put 28 damage out on the model/s that hit them?

Appreciate the video

THORNS!

CRAVEN...a true warrior does not reflect damage away from me. He takes it...and uses it the fuel his rage leading for more damage output!!!

Are you going to do a infantry vrs like you did for Warhammer II?

Can nurgle or ogres increase "elemental mastery" to make this spell even more damage? 56 damage reflection would deal catastrophic damage to large number infantry - in seconds))

I wonder if Nurgles damage reflection spell is why he doesnt have any anti-large. Maybe someone should tell the multiplayer guys.

"why do you keep hitting yourself haha"

Could you do a slaanesh army guide?

Watching the herald of khorne duel the plaguebearer (I’ve forgotten the name of the hero unit) is so “urgh” lol. Where are the sync animations? Why can’t they locked in?

Please do Slanesh Seduce ability

Was there any mention of availability for the Mortal Empires campaign and if it will be available for Warhammer 3 on launch or after ? Do you know anything about it ?

EEEEMOTIONAL DAAAMAAAGE

when slanesh embargo is lifted?

I like this spell, but it should have been % instead, easy to mod i guess

Does the ability reflect charge damage from cav?

This would be a good ability for some Dragons (like Imriks special ones) or Dragon mounted lords/heros to represent tail smashes.

Can we see some god dang ogres

Okay okay, so what would happen if you, let's say got 2 fire ogres on 1 unit? 😏

I would disagree with not suitable for 1:1, at least not all the time. Against Skarbrand that will hit himself like a truck. Doesn't matter if it's only 3-4 attacks, it will do nicely valued damage.

Is FFA in warhammer 3?

Can we at least acknowlege how shitty that ui looks?

Omg this will ruin monster infantry

funny way to start a video with twitter neo-feminist on forefront ...