New Star Citizen Features And Story Showcases - Luke Reacts 

People thinking it takes too long just don't understand that CIG have to develop techs like this and PES first.

same reason minecraft's world eventually 'ends' in a laggy spaghetti mess right?

@@GomulDart Yup

Add on top dynamic server meshing, arguably an even bigger tech. It would change games like Eve online over night if ported.

@@dmacpher Let's not get too far ahead ourselves yet, they gotta scale up the static meshing that they've demoed first.

What middle finger? At least you can play Starfield. This game is nothing but trailers and hopium.

You can literally play star citizen right now, and it is epic @@jakejimenez7048

​@@jakejimenez7048if and when it releases it will put starfield's claim of "next gen" to absolute shame. They're not even that similar of games but the stark contrast between that badly aged game design and the literal bleeding edge of immersion is gonna ridicule bethesda, if all goes well...

lol "if"@@thekillerprawn

@@jakejimenez7048 Star Citizen is Still an if, yes. Squadron 42, however, is releasing in the next 3 years, 2 if things go well, or 1 if God performs a miracle. But star citizen is not so simple, they just got server meshing working but now they have to actually implement it, then they'll have to get dynamic server meshing working too. So yeah it's still got big milestones ahead.

More than a couple, it has been since late 2016. This was a strategic decision as they expect(ed) that delivering a single player narrative game with the scale and scope of SQ42 that offers the level of detail and fidelity, in both visual and interaction, would function as a "gateway drug" for interest in the Persistent Universe. I think it is very clear with the hype surrounding Starfield, and the primary criticism being the lack of seamless gameplay, there is a very large appetite for what Squadron 42 and StarCitizen will offer. If they can manage to get SQ42 polished and optimized within the next year while Starfield is still fresh within peoples minds; it will sell extremely well and will be massively successful in quelching the skepticism and doubts about "ScamCitizen".

Free fly is the absolute worst time to try SC, it's a complete shit show.

@@MrDazTroyer So? It's also the only time people who are on the fence about SC don't need to pay 45$ to find out if they want it.

'EVERYONE' is an exaggeration (I think you meant it this way), but yeah they moved the majority of production work into SQ42 in the last 3+ years.

@halxen I am one of those people. I have been following the news of this game here and there because I am a sucker for space games. All these years, I was thinking that this game will never be released, so it must be a scam and that it promises too much. But it's not because I am a bitter person, but because this game always seemed to be everything I would want from a space game and I was afraid to be hugely disappointed. Now I have to say this...I am glad they are making me eat my words. I am glad that they are achieving what they wanted to make. I had stopped playing on PC for the past 15 years, but now I am thinking of buying a PC just for this game. Bravo for making this.

This is basically the game every kid wanted, with no invisible walls

@@drksideofthewal and one of those kids with that dream was a very young Chris Roberts. He is now on the way to delivering that dream for all to experience.

When Todd closes his eyes, he sees Chris's smiling face... Or a million bucks in his bank account. Believe whichever you want, but I'd like to think Chris gave him at least one sleepless night before he released Starfield

@@ericwollaston5654 Chris has been trying to make that game since the 90s. with wing commander, then Freelancer, and now with Star Citizen

>gamebryo

I think it's a bit of a mix (mostly in-game with some pre-rendered/in-engine blended in). Pretty obvious with shown NPC's.

@@surject Why having scripted NPCs means it's pre-rendered? Do you know what "pre-rendered" means?

@@surject You obviously have NO idea what pre-rendered means.

The fact that you're having trouble telling what part is pre-rendered and what is real gameplay footage speaks volumes :)

@@surject others have basically already said it, but it's scripted not pre-rendered. It's a demonstration, which means they've set things up to show off exactly how all of these features of the engine work. It's implied to be scripted, otherwise they wouldn't be able to show off all of the features. It's ok that it's scripted, good even. Like Luke describes with how they did the camera and sweeping shots in realtime. They used a tool to make it possible to display, but it doesn't mean what they're showing is fake or that it's prerendered. It being pre-rendered implies this is not live, (which it clearly is), that it's be out sourced to rendered in a third party system, like a "cinematic". Anything NOT rendered in real time is pre-rendered. So, knowing what we're seeing is live game play (live gameplay=rendered in real time), as others have pointed out, *excludes it* from being pre-rendered. Hope this helps clear up the misunderstanding.

Once S42 is released, they will probably be up to 700-800 million, but for perspective, other game studios/publishers take in that much money in a year. They are definitely approaching the level of some of the biggest game studios out there.

..while building a company.

Now i wonder where all the starfield budget went? Did it all went to marketing? Kinda curious now

​@@surjectand while hiring the stars

Very well put, I think people forget things like this. GTA 6 has been in development for 8 years or something and they said it's going to take 2billion to make...and that is in a single city.....

Yea star citizen is what happens when you don’t have a publisher breathing down your neck wanting it to release asap: you get the time to create something with the potential to be revolutionary Even by a lot of modern day standards, from what I’ve seen of starfield, it looks mind blowing. I might even try picking it up just to support them because I’m (cautiously) optimistic on this game

Spending 7+ years and more money than any game in history to only have a cinematic trailer and Alpha build is called a scam, cultist.

They're making two truly next gen games with tech that no other game can come close to, and one of them is "feature complete", big brain. @@jakejimenez7048

Well, the citcon overall certainly shut a few mouths. But there'll still be a very seizable batch of knee-jerk reactions from haters who didn't watch, don't care, never played the game, don't pay attention to its development at all, and rehash the same tropes that cemented in the wider gaming forums in 2016-17, in total disregard from reality (some are adamant that the game isn't playable, think servers are limited to 50 players, tell you that ships are just JPGs, that there's no gameplay, or that it's a slideshow, or that it's just a few space whales funding the game...it's sometimes insane). Such profiles can be spotted by their use of words like "cultist" and "scam", alongside "gullible" and "vaporware" as well as "sunk cost fallacy". I think it's best to simply ignore them, as their position will continue to look increasingly more ludicrous. The only antidote to that insanity is CIG actually releasing S42 and it being actually amazing. If so, I'm sure some will move the goalpost to "but it costed too much".

lmfao I would lovew for this game to be everything you hope it will be, but it won't be. There's no logic in thinking a game that took this long, with this much scope creep, and this much money to still be unfinished will be anything but a fucking mess. You people are high on crack talking about a game that does not even fucking exist anywhere else but your minds.@@rhetor4mentor13

I'm about $2,800 into it, so just a baby whale lol. That's accumulative bit by bit over almost 9 years. Someone once asked me why I would spend that much on a game and I told them it wasn't just about the game itself. It was about supporting Chris's dream game and seeing if CIG could actually push the technology forward and pull this off. Plus as Star Wars Galaxies was my first MMO, the sandbox nature of this project scratches an itch I've had ever since SOE betrayed it's community.

@@geekadventureteam7806baby whale? I spent that much on a different game and just over 1k on sc. We are blue whales babyyyyyy 🐳

I spent $400 with zero regrets. If it all works out then I see it as me doing my part to bring it to everyone. I wanna see the game get populated when server meshing kicks in.

@@fwdcnorac8574 We held the line 🫡

I agree I have a 600 I and an a 400 I and I think that comes out to about $800 if more and I totally do believe in this project so much this is revolutionizing the game industry it is the future of Gaming just like in my vision about how folding phones people thought it was a phase and now you have a whole bunch of companies making folding phones this is basically star citizens version of folding phones, they are literally on The Cutting Edge of gaming technology put to the bank where they are creating entirely new ecosystems to win their products and services🫡🤩😤

Absolutely 🎉

Whether you like or dislike the game, you'd be an UTTER FOOL to want to see it fail! Failure or success would resonate throughout the entire gaming industry for bad or worse. This just shows how stupid some "gamers" (and I meant the quotes) are. Man, society has developed an ignorant generation of folks.

@@alandab IKR damn they are so annoying

Baldur's Gate 3 and Star Citizen are both self published games too. If SQ42 can live up to what we've seen, I think some publishers need to start asking themselves some tough questions.

At this rate Star Citizen won't be "complete" til another 5 years at least. How would a game taking the better part of TWO decades and costing more than half a billion dollars so far be beneficial for the industry

I'm fine with the way things are going, and with sq42 complete, I believe next year is going to be mind-blowing as features get implemented into pu, we waited for the tech now its time to reap the rewards

I lost you at Starfield being a SC clone. Starfield is mid but it's completely original and also a different genre altogether.

@@adityan3208 To be fair, they completely copied the artstyle from star citizen

​@@adityan3208"original" been a fan of Bethesda longer than any other company... it's not original what so ever. It's generic. Dead space was better at a space narrative. NMS was better at resources building space combat etc... you can like It all u want but the reality is its pretty lack luster

​@@CroveaSC can't take ownership of an entire space sci Fi genre wtf are you smoking. Literally all space sci Fi games have borrowed inspiration from novels and movies including Star Citizen.

accurate

Lmao

jokes aside "displacement" in 3D graphics refers to projecting height information from a flat surface ( usually driven by texture information ). So, all the nice hills/mountains you see are being achieved by projecting up/down from a series of planes which wrap to form the surface of the planet. In the case of StarCitizen things like that are procedurally generated but with a shared seed which is how players can have the same gamespace ( and avoid immense file sizes ). The only issue is it's impossible to have detail which overhangs ( like complex cliffside coves and caves ) with this method so it requires a LOT additional detailing and other tech to make believable environments.

​@spacewombat4569 Hey, i am curious: these displacements are done on the GPU, correct? Thats why its call "hardware" displacements, no? Do you know how this works with physics and hit detection for the game simulation/game loop? I think this happens on the CPU. How does data flow to flow between the two?

@@SETHthegodofchaos You should look up Digital Foundry's old SC videos. They go into some of the rendering and collision model details there.

offline?!

@@anticorruptionagenda5106 The offline game is feature-complete but is being polished as shown in the last portion.

It's also transparent/translucent in certain places. You can see the seafloor in shallower areas.

And he tried with Freelancer - and failed, in his mind only most likely, Microsoft pulled the rug under him (and was right doing so). Freelancer is still my favourite game to this day.

@@masterpwn3rfreelancer moded to discovery was insane. But yeah Chris got the boot for being over budget and over schedule. But he wanted to build what has now become star citizen and 42. He was so bummed about Freelancer he just went back to making movies 😂

​@@masterpwn3rI'm playing it again at the moment. Crazy the jump games have made in 20 years.

@@Pintheshadows cant believe it's 20 years old.

The industry can't do this, private money will not fund this. Too long, too risky and currently too little return. Remember Clash Of Clans makes as much money in 18 months as Star Citizen has in 120 months. Why bother? The only exception I see is Unreal, who may have to respond eveentually to some of these features, but only if StarEngine succeeds. They have the money and the incentive to keep up - I'm sure they have R&D looking at many features, but until someone else is challenging them technically they'll not raid the warchest.

@@Anonnymouse53 Keep in mind that a huge part of the development cost for this game has been in R&D and creating their own engine. Eventually, other companies could simply license Star Engine to jumpstart their own development and save huge amounts of money at the same time!

@@randlebrowne2048 I think the problem with that is that 7 million developers use Unreal for example. There is a massive base of knowledge for it as well as proven support, extensions and monetization tools. Nobody really wants to use CryEngine or Lumberyard, StarEngine would be even harder to sell. Not impossible but not something I see can happen anytime soon.

@@randlebrowne2048 Licensing Star Engine, especially out to enterprise customers, would require the establishment of very large, dedicated teams whose sole prerogative is providing engineering and design support to enterprise customers -- it would require establishing probably at least 1 new studio facility dedicated solely to the project, and years of modifying their editor tools, microservices, server and infrastructure stack, and doing so after their end-product stack has been scaled out for years on the consumer-end (ie, years of experience with dynamic server meshing working under the belt), and then maintaining support for all of their tools and editor features and technology such that they can be used reliably and consistently by third-parties you have licensed/sub-licensed the Engine and editor(s) too. Further, it would require prioritizing that project (the maintenance of the IP for third-party enterprise customers) over the live game environment and over their own R&D efforts; the same way Epic is required to prioritize the maintenance and development of UE5 for it's enterprise customers, over it's use for independent/amateur developers and as a game engine for their own products (Fortnite etc). It also requires that you have years of experience successfully licensing massive technology to enterprise customers, at scale, and how to manage the production and administration of your entire company with all of these massive, disparate projects simultaneously, something CIG has zero experience with (currently, the only customer for their tools is themselves, allowing them a very, very tight feedback loop between the developers using those tools and the developers that make and maintain them). Ultimately, while I agree it's possible, it won't likely be practically possible until well after dynamic server meshing has been borne out. I expect them to try and adapt their editor and tools and tech stack for private servers and modding, before opening it up to enterprise customers, given all of those customers are essentially making use of a single product (a singular, "Modder-Friendly" version of the StarEngine editor and tools) that is maintained the same for all of them, which is much simpler than what enterprise customers need (every enterprise customer will usually want their own tech and feature modifications made to your IP to facilitate their specific usecase, and you have to do it with/for them because you control the source IP and maintain the tech stack). Which is to say, any considerations of resale of the license as a whole entity will occur well after modding is possible, probably 5-10 years away, easily. Chris Roberts has clearly only one prerogative, and that's making *his game,* so he isn't going to sacrifice his ability to develop his game in the short-term just to front load enterprise profitability that can wait until later (he has majority control and all the FCF from SQ42 will more than sate his private investors, so licensing the engine out will be a very low priority for a while).

@@randlebrowne2048 Probably what other companies will do. Wait for Star Engine to realest then create a game with it saying that they is it all

Todd already told you; “you might have to upgrade your pc’s” lol

Many can. I only have a 1070 and runs fine. The key is RAM and SSD drive.

doesn't matter, this game already made profit from the development, any extra income from buyers when the game release is just a bonus. The rich fans literally made this game happen. This game only caters to people who are able to buy a decent PC. And don't even mention consoles.

Runs fine on my RTX 3070.

@@AbleAndersonthe sf performance is hilarious

If video games were chapels Star Citizen would be La Sagrada Familia

@@thekillerprawn that's too accurate, nicely done

@@thekillerprawnor the Ulmer Münster

@@thekillerprawn more like cologne cathedral ^^

Almost everything up to that point was stuff in game already. Just missing the ground fog and animals, the planets, cities, biomes were all real stuff you can see now.

What CP2077 should also teach you is the cons of a game studio being forced to push a game out by stakeholders before it's ready. People complain about how long CIG is taking to make games, but they aren't being choked by a publishing company. If sq42/SC are great-- then that's the reason why

@@vorpalrobot doesn't mean it will be bug free and have good performance

I just love how you guys have made Cyberpunk 2077 a trauma for you, a PTSD trigger. I promise you you will be ok if you get excited again for a game, don't let the launch of CP2077 ruin your hype and fun.

​@aleclowry7654 Well, I mean you guys also doxxed and threatened employees for the delays so did they really have a choice? The fault is mostly on mentally ill gamers but no one wants to take responsibility for that.

Exactly!

Yet they're releasing trailers for new tech when they haven't delivered on previous promises. I don't know why you're giving them more slack because as of right now they have the biggest confirmed budget of any video game.

@@danialmerli3992 no that's GTA 6 with 2 Billion(don't know if it's confirmed yet though) but it's definitely somewhere along those lines

​@@danialmerli3992also read that Red Dead redemption 2 budget was 540 million.

@@danialmerli3992 almost like they need new tech to deliver old promises

Don't forget Geoff Zanelli who does the music for Squadron 42.

And the wormhole isn’t a loading screen either. You can walk around your ship, shoot guns, do whatever during transit.

to the pyro system

Bethesda arguably had both time and resources..

@@ablazedguyyeah but not nearly this much time and resources. Also, Bethesda was expected to release a game by a certain date. Star Citiznen got so far past delivering their game to their backers in time that everyone just gave up expecting it to ever come out. So no one bugged them. Don’t get me wrong it looks amazing n I’m not huge on Starfield, but I don’t think they’re comparable in that sense

@MisterK-YT SC spent 50M just on actors according to rumors, but it's not like Bethesda doesn't have their own engine and tons of money, but they just don't invest in technical stuff. NMS and E:D achieved much more with much less, Bethesda went for the bare minimum, and as a result, Starfield doesn't feel like a space game

@@ablazedguy fsho

​​@@MisterK-YTStar Citizen had about $500 million raised by the time Stafield released. Meanwhile Starfield had over $250 million in budget the moment they began developing When you compare that with SC having less than half of Starfield's funds for a lot of it's early years, the difference becomes pretty obvious Hell, CIG even used the old CryEngine as well, but they were pretty smart to rebuild the engine from the ground up, as well as the renderer And lastly, with no publishers rushing unrealistic deadlines, they can actually take their time to polish features and make the game actually good to play

Idk fascinating, haters hate lovers and love to hate as loud as they can. Lovers hold on to hope, some more realistic some less.

people love to hate star citizen, but it's the one game i can consistently come back to and just enjoy playing.

those hating are most trolling only.

99% of the 'discourse' is is bad faith trolls talking out their asses.

You'll see the same haters in every piece of star citizen information that's come out in the last 10 years. It's the only game I can think of where the haters stick around and keep up to date on everything. I think they continue to follow it because they have always known it's potential and are curious to see if it will come through or not. All while spewing their negativity of course. Partially because of impatience, partially to not set themselves up for disappointment, and partially in the hope that they're wrong XD.

Exactly

Genshin impact started with 100 million USD budget and receives annual budget of 200 million USD and it's on its third year now Their budget already surpassed star citizen and some others lol

Yea, I would say Star citizen is maybe 50% done, as far as features go.

I get why you say voice cast, but those actors actually went into "motion capture suits" and acted out their scenes, not just voice. There are RU-vid example videos of that process for Sq42.

Henry Cavill is in it too - he's the male voice at the beginning of the SQ42 demo. Oh, and Andy Serkis plays the alien Vanduul warrior at the end.

Trust me my guy with how most servers are populated you'll rarely see another human outside of landing zones and pvp events that are infact optional

The 64-bit coordinate system is not all too impressive by itself. Before 2013 most computers used 32-bit but the transition to 64-bit started even before 2013 (hardware wise). Now keep in mind you still get a lot to work with on 32 but coordinate systems. You can store values up to 2,147,483,647. So your stat about being limited to 8kmx8km isn't true especially since a game like Arma 3 has a 32bit coordinate system with a 20kmx20km map (Altis). What is impressive is utilizing a 64-bit coordinate system to make a solar system with mm precision tracking of objects. Now especially nowadays most games most likely use a 64-bit system because there isn't a real reason to not use 64-bit. There might be an argument for performance and storage space however the difference between an integer and floating point variable in mathematical operation and storage space isn't much of a concern anymore.

I wanna scream NERD so bad but thank you this is really interesting

Also the whole thing was in-engine so that might mean it wasnt entirely real-time. In-game quakifiesas real-time afaik.

I'm really happy to see this brought up honestly. The demo was kind of to show off what will be in SC and to hint at what they were going to be talking about in CitizenCon most of it is available on their internal builds as seen in Squadron 42 to an extent but very little of what was shown is available in the PU. Pretty much everything after Crusader was entirely not in yet sadly but CIG does want to get it in by the end of next year so hopefully they can do so! But the settlement they showed off on Microtech all of the animals even the fog tech are currently missing from the PU although I do know some of it is coming 3.22. *I really wish the character customizer was too* :( I just hope people don't watch this video and come away thinking it's in the PU now and then buy a package to find out oh most of it is missing.

o7

For anyone who doesn't know, Star Citizen and Squadron 42 have been separate purchases for a couple years now so buying Star Citizen currently will _not_ include Squadron 42. I don't think they will offer Squadron 42 on sale again until they have a release date.

SC is composed by Pedro Camacho, SQ42 is composed by Geoff Zanelli. Both great composers.

@@herobrine024 did you notice the various Wing Commander soundtrack hints?

@@JohnGardounis I dont know much about Wing Commander but i know that the very start of the engine demo with conductor is supposed to be a homage to the Wing Commander Origin FX Bootscreen.

@@herobrine024 Yesh!!

Along with all the operational costs of running multiple studios, and a global pandemic in the middle of it all. Honestly 600 million (while a lot) isn't that much considering what they've accomplished. It comes down to less than 100 million a year at this point, which could easily have been blown through if the company were being mishandled financially. I know they have other investor sources as well, but it is still impressive to see how far they've come from basically nothing.

Exactly, they built multiple studies all across the world and 2 AAA games, and the management team and pipelines at the same time, including new game tech never scene in any game

@@Frank-os6gq Many also forget that they didn't have a company at all at the beginning. Like Elite was faster, but they didn't need to build everything from scratch. And if anyone ever did this or support a company being build, that short timeframe they had.. holy shit

Plenty more, your just going to have to play to find out. Star citizens already know who I'm talking about 😅

💖Henry Cavill💖

Imagine a high fantasy game, but it all takes place on a single procedural planet. Trees, rivers, desserts, tundra, caves. Destructible castles. It’s all possible with this engine.

​@@drksideofthewalyea about that heh a little known rumor is CIG has one of them planned for after SC and SQ42 out the door

@@tuckerodonnell9269 I haven’t heard that rumor, exciting if true. They can steal the thunder from TES6 while they’re at it.

I don't think enough of the new people watching these new demos understand this. That information is important because number one, it will allow for rapid content creation from this point forward and two, it explains where the money and time went with the development. None of that stuff is being faked, they created a functional universe based on the physics of our reality.

Remember, Chris Roberts is a movie director and producer. He knows his stuff. Lord of war with Nicholas cage and wing commander with Mark Hamill are my favorites from him.

Plus most of them presumably recorded at least the initial sounds during their motion capture performances, and presumably most of them have had to do pick-ups for both the old (and new) mocap and audio lines as well (been so long since I saw the videos on their production process lol but it's comprehensive, and upgraded with their new mocap studio in Manchester), and in their new mocap studio at least they have much, much more room to both record multiple actors simultaneously but also to allow them to interact with the environment more saliently (with props), so everybody from the animators to audio to narrative has much more material to work with and not dissimilar to film production/editing. As long as the narrative isn't totally shit (for a video game), and if it's maybe even half-decent (for an actual "film"), SQ42 can easily set a standard for video game-filmic production and showcase it's vast suite of actors in compelling ways. It'll have costed them over a hundred million $USD probably for the "cinematic" qualities alone (separate from gameplay/fps/ship tech and features and content development), so not dissimilar to a film budget either.

60 times the details

@@anticorruptionagenda5106 *64 times the details FIFY 😂😂

Im pretty sure they will omce they have a clearer sight on a release window, running a trailer for a general audience 2-3 years ahead of release again would be pretty stupid. And while i disagree with cig on some things they do, their marketing team definitely knows their work, for better or worse.

The majority of the convention leading into the SQ42 trailer provided a focus on gameplay and the intricacies of what will be experienced in SQ42/PU, and at a higher level of fidelity/demonstration than pretty much any past CitCon - I feel their approach with this CitCon was the best possible. SQ42, following this trailer, is still not available for purchase on their website - so while there are fair criticisms their event is still an overall marketing-focused event rather than 'for the fans by the fans', the general sentiment from backers that this CitCon 'felt different because it was about showing tangible progress through live/in-engine demos' is pretty rightfully earned. After an incredibly difficult year for players with unstable builds and periods of literally not being able to play, mediocre weekly devtalks that were more often than not repeat info, and a general sentiment of frustration with dev resources being heavily focused on SQ42 with minimal public evidence of progress - CIG needed to rebuild trust with their existing backers by showing and PROVING their progress on SQ42. Could this all be to combat the 'No Cash Til Pyro' movement of recent/to 'keep the suckers invested'? I don't think so at least but understand where the thoughts come from - but in any case, the SC community had a general sentiment going into this convention of 'we need to see that things are progressing', and whether someone likes the project or not, CIG clearly at least listened to what much of the SC community asked for.

Disagree, asmongold reacted to it very very positively, as did his chat. Seems to have gone mainstream already. It can only go up from here

CC was clearly the kick-off for a pre-release marketing campaign, which generally last 12-18 months, although that's for AAA games produced in secret by publicly-traded AAA studios who do not reveal the existence of the game until it's well past the point at which most projects are cancelled and NDA'ed into oblivion. That said, the period immediately following CC '24 (ie holidays) and the period immediately following Invictus '25 are presumably their internal, aspirational release window(s) for SQ42, and if they are indeed confident in the feature-completion and in the windows they've allotted for polish and optimization then we can expect them to spend the next ~6 months building engagement among the preexisting SC/SQ42 audience, and use Invictus '24 to start really dropping SQ42 marketing materials in more force, with the intention of those materials reaching a general audience. They don't want general audiences being marketed to while the majority of the SC community is still salty, negative and entitled, because that'd just waste a lot of the marketing, frankly. They have to market to, and build positive sentiment with, the preexisting community before dialing the marketing campaign up to a 10. I expect that the Community team is going to be working their ass of the next 6 months, with Marketing breathing down their necks to do all the relevant in-community marketing for them, so they can leverage Invictus '24 to it's fullest with a probably a fuckload of cinematic gameplay capture, maybe a trailer (rather than or in addition to teasers) if the polish stage is progressing aggressively. Marketing will also be doing their absolute best to have as many ship sales, reveals, and other sizzlers as frequently as possible over the next ~6 months at least, but probably throughout the entire period until SQ42 launch. I wouldn't be surprised if they make the props/Interactables guys start pushing out increasingly SQ42 themed flare (as soon as Pyro is "out of the way", because they'll want to squeeze Pyro for alllll it's worth first, before diverting course), and whatever else they can do.

100% I'm impressed with what I see here, but what will the PC requirements be? How long is it? Will it be optimized properly? There's still tons of questions. Starfield is a Bethesda game that delivers a very specific experience, from what I've seen you either vibe with it or you don't. Much of the criticisms are valid, but playing the game is a pretty damn fun experience overal, imo, loading screens or not. I don't think a game has to be a technical powerhouse to be good, as long as it has a gameplay loop and systems that are enjoyable.

While I agree, Starfield honestly could have done a helluva lot better if they'd just not made fail-choices for their narrative design and worldbuilding. It really does feel like they just intentionally went for the most milquetoast ass decisions possible every time they had to make a narrative or high-level setting design choice. Meanwhile, completely and utterly forgetting that the point of most sci-fi, thematically, at least, is to offer really quite scathing sociocultural and/or political critiques, and that most of what makes sci-fi narratives engaging is the scale and extent to which those criticisms are explored and how that exploration is the main throughline for all other design and art choices. This is something that Star Citizen gets, fairly well, because Chris Roberts at least seems to appreciate the importance of Narrative, if not being an excellent narrative designer himself. Fortunately, the sheer scale of Star Citizen has required that he involve other, much more competent narrative designers, storytellers, and writers than himself in the development of the world, lore, and it's narrative features. This has resulted in an entire solar system that is functionally just one big, wrapped up criticism of capitalism in the form of mega-corporations, and it does so in a way that provides *plenty of legitimate conflict* that feels believable and realistic. Other aspects of the SC world are fairly well narratively designed, for example the obvious central trope of the UEE being a peak-Fall and Decline Rome trope, which provides *plenty of room* for anti-imperialist social critiques, and doing so in a way that is both subtle, not necessarily on-the-nose, and provides plenty of engaging and meaningful gameplay. Conversely, Starfield seems to have done quite literally everything possible to avoid making interesting choices at every single available opportunity that was ever presented to the high-level designers. While the lower-level designers and artists did their best to embellish and make the world feel alive (something I think it's fair to say they accomplished), they unfortunately couldn't salve the problem of that world not feeling like *it deserved to be alive,* a problem instigated by functionally every single high-level narrative choice the game designers ever made. Honestly, the only conclusion I can come to is that Bethesda is, to some small level, a cult of personality for Todd Howard and that that severely, *severely* hampered really every single meeting the designers and producers have ever had, whether Todd was in the room or not. You can see the "invisible hand" of unmitigated bad narrative design in really every plot and story throughline in Starfield. Plenty of genres can get away without having any meaningful sociocultural breadth or depth, unfortunately sci-fi is the exact opposite of such a genre, unless you're unironically trying to do utopian socialist sci-fi... and Starfield is *clearly not that.* It's like they looked at good sci-fi and went "that *looks good,* I want to make something that *looks like that,"* but they forget sci-fi aesthetics arise secondarily to social critique, not the other way around. Sci-fi isn't compelling because of it's aesthetic, it's aesthetic arises in service of a socially critical narrative. Starfield wanted to make a fun "sci-fi looking" game without any meaningful social critique, and suffers for the subsequent emptiness and soullessness; it's playable casually, but it's certainly not got a compelling and immersive and believable and moving narrative.

I really hope we get a Battletech/Mechwarrior game with this. Sean Tracy works for CIG, so many of us have hope.

Another thing people who complain about the optional purchases in Star Citizen don't consider: Paying a subscription fee for an MMO is FAR more expensive, and you have to pay that to keep playing. I played WoW for about 6 years, and it cost me $1,300. I've played SC for almost 7 years and it only cost me $35 (I got a $10 discount on my starter pack).

It shows their new way to do high-fidelity damage/sweat/blood. Also it's just funny.

@@pontifexinferno yeah I also think the bloody nose timing was supposed to dovetail with the ships crashing. Like the surviving pilot swam to the dock and had a bloody nose. But they don’t have a good swimming animation yet so this is what we got. Still cool, but a little off putting without the clear transition.

Correction, 27 chapters. We don't know how long or in-depth each chapter is but it is likely at least in the realm of a typical 40h AAA game. I'd expect it is likely a bit longer that that however.

​@halxen ye i heard each chapter are like 1-3 missions. I think the game will be big.

Yeah - the bloody nose seemed like a really incongruous way to put the final crescendo on the Engine demo. I thought that immediately, but you are the only other person I have heard (so far) say it - heh.

You'll be able to have your own star wars game. You'll be your own character

It was essentially showcasing one big sheet of ice that was frozen over from an actual ocean by the weather system, you can actually drift on the ice with ships and ground vehicles, if it was Bethesda they would have made this one feature and turn it into a game and market it as some generation defining thing, just to milk the tech dry 😂

Also, what I think it's referencing, is that there's actually water under the ice. Not just an ice texture on the planet surface. How do I know? By falling through the planet... 😅

Not a tech demo, numskull. This is in the actual game that we play daily.

I mean I understand why you're saying that, with a lot of the haters calling the entire game a 'tech demo' but in this case it literally is a tech demo. It's a demonstration for Star Engine specifically. Thats why it says "Star Engine" at the end and not Star Citizen. But yes, this does reflect SC current gameplay (Aside from the pyro and alien animal bits) @@alandab

its a really subtle feature, and the way the decided to describe it is really funny, and doesn't do a good job of communicating the idea. But yeah as others have mentioned, it's referencing that the Frozen Ocean isn't just a frozen ocean because they made it that way by hand. It's a froze ocean because of intersecting features and systems. The planet itself, all of its attributes like climate and geography, and the systems simulating them, basically create the frozen ocean. When CIG talk about "physicalization" they are referring to holistically simulated nature of something.

CIG hasn't helped themselves over the years because of how they funded themselves and their various stages of openness. They have had numerous issues with communicating issues and delays (like any other company would) but I think it was multiplied because of how open they tried to be otherwise. They definitely expanded the scope of the games (it doesn't matter if backers were surveyed) which definitely increased the time it would take to create the game. When they introduced planet tech, the seamless ground to space, they needed to rethink everything from the foundations and I don't think that was communicated to their backers well at all, matter of fact it came with a reduction in their communication that preceded the Star Citizen 3.0 release and caused friction for many years after as they worked behind the scenes to get back to where they were feature wise before then. I've been a backer since 2012 and it has been a bumpy road. While I definitely think a lot of the criticism now is unfounded (especially calling it a scam), there were plenty of times where CIG shot themselves in the foot with their own actions.

@Tsudico I understand that they have made numerous errors, the biggest one was letting the backers play the game. You end up with this back seat developer syndrome where fucking smooth brained morons start making demands about what it 'should' be. There is a reason that you never get a public alpha build. My only complaint with CiG is that when they realized the scope of the engine needed and tech required, I wish they would have shut down all communications, and speak only when milestones are hit.

I've bought Skyrim 3 times (OG, SE 64-bit, and the recent Anniversary Edition.) So $150ish on a single player game.

And yes - look back to the old Wing Commander games. Mark Hamill at his absolute most cheeseball. Almost worse than Laserblast.

Starfield is a massive open-world RPG, this seem to be a linear narrative experience, a bit like a COD campaign. The day Starcitizen will have 150hours of RPG content, 200.000 lines of dialogue and multiple fully fledged settelments you can compare it, but Star citizen will never have that since it's not the goal of the game.

@@ni9274​​⁠lmao I played starfield for 20hours and realized how copy paste bullshit the game is and that I’ve already played the game, many times with other Bethesda titles for hundreds upon hundreds hours. It’s like putting a B&W filter on game of thrones and calling it a new show. Once Starfield gets tech from say even 2020 we can compare then. Starout 76 isn’t even a game for this decade.

@@TheRealBillix Do you mean the repeated locations on planets ? Do you realize one planet is like 1000000 times the size of the Skyrim map ? It's impossible to not repeat locations if you want to feel just one planet. But in total Starfield has more unique and handcrafted locations than every Bethesda games, but if you decide to ignore them and go explore the random locations on planet it's your fault. Did you explore the 3 cities in 20 hours ? All the minor settlements ? All the spacestations ? Did you do all the factions quest ? Did you do all the quest ? This is a game taking place in space with all new assets, charachter, dialogue, quest... It's just not at all Skyrim or Fallout 4 with a color filter. If Starfield has outdated tech explain why it's the only realistic space game with planets that dynamically move in the solar system ? It's basically the only singleplayer space RPG where you can fly a spaceship, explore planets, build spaceship, build outpost...

The Ford GT40 would like a word with ya 😂

​@@ni9274cope, its still very boring content outside of the fraction quests, the main story is borderline trash, radiant quests are as meh as they are in any other game. Ship building is fun but clunky, outpost building is rudimentary at best. The dialogue is decent, but the writing leaves a lot to be desired. Gameplay is basic shooter stuff, not great, not terrible. Space flight and combat are the same, exploration is a joke both on the ground and in space. Its a mid game.

Yeah, I've been saying that CIG need to license the StarEngine out. There are a ton of properties that would be awesome running in this engine. Imagine Star Trek on the StarEngine? Playing Scotty in a fully realised Enterprise with ship interiors? Or Warhammer 40k? Going from the space husks in chaos-fueled space down to the desolate ruins of a war-torn planet with no loading screens? Possibilities are endless!

Nah they will be making a PT 2 & 3 of SQ42

@billywashere6965 imagine a fantasy game like WoW on a modded starengine, big as fuck, with cool magic n all. It would be one of the first REAL MMOs.. im so excited to see the future of servermeshing in other games

Apparently you hve to actually pilot the ship through the jump point wormhole to Pyro. Also crew can still walk around inside your ship during this - so it might not be a hidden loading screen. It could use the short distance repeating teleportation technique that's been used in QT, but CIG are changing that to realtime travel - so who knows?

@@wiggyoneWell, right, they are living in the replication layer and again the server transition should be near instantaneous. But it is still something they probably planned that way for that very reason.

Yeah that's what they said. And I bet they don't feel so good about it now. 😂