New Supra - The REAL Reason It Doesn't Have a 2JZ 

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8:51 - great point made by Tada Tetsuya san. Thats exactly why the Toyota Century (V12/V8 limousine) isn't sold outside japan because Toyota knows that most people wouldn't buy a Toyota badged car worth $100k+, and they wanted to keep it in small production. But obviously, these naysayers who say that they don't mind paying for a more expensive Supra with a 'proper Toyota' engine are most likely to get the car when its depreciated in the used market. They don't seem to realise that car companies need to make profit by selling brand new cars, not selling used cars.

Toyota could just troll everyone and give the B58 an internal engine code 3JZ-GTE even if it’s completely unrelated to the 2JZ-GTE. Remember the Subaru code for the 86 Boxer is FA-20 and the Toyota code is 4U-GSE.

The reason it doesnt have a 2jz is because that's a 20+ year old engine lol

The only valid complaint is that there is no manual. I have spoken 🧐

Lotus: uses Toyota engine, deals tonnes of fun Supra: uses BMW engine, deals tonnes of excuses.

I don't care about the haters, I'm getting one 2020.

I’m a Toyota fan... but man.. these guys have a lot of excuses. I wish Toyota built their cars without any help from other car manufacturers.

I think people need to stop comparing the new Supra to the tuned Supras of old. Y'all forget that the stock Supras weren't anything too crazy.

The real, honest reason it doesn't have a 2JZ is that at the GT86 launch, a guy from BMW ended up talking to a few guys, suggesting that they collaborate on a drive train, since Toyota wanted to revive the supra, and he used that as a leverage so BMW could actually get a reliable turbo engine. I'm not even kidding, that's the EXACT reason.

I love the Toyota GT86 and it's my dream car for a while. The car was meant for handling and being underpowered similar to its spiritual predecessor the AE86. The Mk5 Supra isn't that bad in terms of the appearance almost resembling the mk4, it has good handling, the b58 engine has been tuned by Toyota to make it reliable and be able to work properly on the mk5, Auto transmission I don't mind but I understand how most of the car fans want it to be manual transmission but I believe Toyota will eventually manufacture the manual model of the mk5. I still don't get it why the fanbois still hated the mk5 as if they want to hate the car for their whole entire life. I gotta say the hate needs to stop but I understand why the 'fanbois' hated it but if they keep hating the mk5 after it's released...well it appears to be that they are just wasting their time. I'm trying to be civil here as I can and trying not to start some sort of heated discussion between who's right or who's wrong. As a car enthusiasts, I still give the new Supra a chance despite the hate its been getting and I hope I can see the Mk5 in person once it's released in Australia👍 Also, keep up with the good work RevMatchTV your posting great content on cars news and updates👍

I'm the only one not bothered i love new supra

I'd still be the one guy to swap in a Lexus V8 instead of a 2JZ. 😂

@8:53 so much yes to this. The fanboys need to realize that they're not the target market, the folks who are actually pulling out their checkbooks are.

I have an 85 ae86 and a 95 e34 bmw...so yeah i love this new supra. Toyota looks with bmw sounds. I cant wait to own one in the future.

Honestly they could have just used the 2zzge on the 86 and supercharged it like lotus. Plus the lotus is smaller than a gt86 so I don’t wanna hear that they couldn’t use it because of it being a two plus two

The cool thing is, there are already alot of tuning parts out there for this engine.

So you asked Toyota's Chief Engineer why the Supra has a BMW Engine, and you're content with the answer of The Supra had to have an inline 6? I call that stepping around the answer.

New Supra is a must. 🙌🏼🙌🏼

The real question is why did they choose to target the boxter/caymen? I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the USA, you can go for months and not see one of those on the road.

You should really focus on its Nurburgring lap time! 7:38 (by some leaker in supra forums) and even tada san said 7:40-7:50....cayman GT4 did 7:42 with Michelin cup 2 semi slicks!!! Fricken-nuff-said!!

If only Toyota got in bed with Yamaha again ☹️

I like your car news, keep it up! Also, how is your 1M ? Is it really that much different from 135i/is ? Thinking of buying 135i and just putting LSD and new suspension.

I appreciate your opinion and content. Thanks for another great video!

Sorry, but this is off topic: Hoping for a new Z? Well sadly, the chances of it happening are close to zero. Mercedes has ended its partnership with Nissan. The New Z was intended to use the inline 4 turbo found in the Mercedes-Benz A35 AMG.

Suffering from looking fast ~86

New engine is lighter, cheaper, faster, stronger, gets better mpg, and has better emissions. Why the hell would they use a 20 year old engine?

Toyota needs to stop playing around, they should have discontinued the 86, used its chassis but redesigned its exterior to look more Supra like and dropped a twin scroll turbocharged 2ZZ-GE in it and called it a day. Yeah people would have been upset that it’s not a straight 6 but with 300+ hp and a price point at 35k or 40k, I think they would have gotten over it.

8:51 That's what I was worried would happen when I heard the Supra was coming back. I was so worried that it would make like the GT-R and try to bank on its legend to move up market. Thankfully, the Supra didn't go chasing it's old rival!

The LC500 has excellent reviews. Not sure what you read. Anyway I understand why the Supra is the way it is. That drop in motor from BMW drastically dropped the price of this not SUPRA. A whole new motor would have sent this car well into the upper 70-80 grand easily.

Great video! This has aged well. Thanks for explaining this. May not be as legendary as the 2JZ but the B58 382HP inline 6 of BMW is turning out to be a legend of its own

I would ignore the low self esteem fan boys. It’s ok to compare cars at a similar price point regardless of who makes the car. A true car lover loves all cars at the end of the day. I’m not thrilled about the 90/10 ratio of bmw to Toyota build of the new Supra but I do want it to sell well. I eventually would like to buy one in the future with 6speed and a targa top.

How do you not like the c7 interior? I love it

Great Video, but it didn't give us new information. 1.Toyota wanted to keep it an inline 6 for obvious reasons 2.The only guys in town making respectable inline 6's was BMW. 3.They wanted to keep it affordable so they partnered with the only guys supplying the inline 6 segment. These points were already discussed in past videos. Still gave you thumbs up

The thumbnail looks so sick!

I swear down in a few years time everyone is going to bloody love this car.. once tuning shops get through with it.. kits.. wheels.. turbo swaps. The bmw engine is strong too the m140i straight six can take mental power. A manual would rock yes but this car is gonna be a legend. And if it's not.. sweet.. hopefully prices will be even cheaper for me 🤣👍

Great show, excellent discussion on your part. You answered all of the pertinent questions but I still don't like the new Supra, nor would I buy one. My background is all about cars, My very first car was a 1965 Plymouth Satellite with a race Hemi in it at the age of 16. I then got bored with going fast in a straight line, so a bought a 1969 L-88 Corvette back in 1969. Fun car, but not really suited for the street on many levels, so I gutted the interior and raced it for a while on tracks. I also had a 1969 Camaro Z/28 that I extensively modified. After that I had a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am SE that I modified, but that started to break down very quickly,. Even though I loved the car, it didn't like me at all. Then I had a 1991 Gen Toyota Supra Turbo. Loved that car as well, but I got tired of the live rear axle and it's problems, so I sold that. Then I bought a 1997 Toyota Supra Turbo, which I really fell in love with and I kept that until I got really sick back in 2015 and was forced to sell the the 680 hp beast. Now that my health is back I was really interested in the concept car for the newest Toyota Supra, and if they had indeed made that car as it appeared at auto shows with a superior powertrain, I would have bought one of those. Strangely enough, I plan on soon purchasing a new Acura NSX with the Science of Speed upgrades. For more, the new NSX is very impressive on many levels that are far too detailed dot discuss here. To me, it's any everyday, daily driver supercar. Once again, thank you very much for your great videos.

I've mentioned this many of times. It should've had a 3jz, 6spd manuel

I have a Corvette and I think the comparison video was great. The last generation Supra will always be the best to me. If I had to pick the worst followed by the best Corvettes, I would say the C4 was the worst and the C2 was the best.

Toyota should've just followed Prosche's steps by refining their 2JZ engine. Porsche's have been refining their engines from the 60's . Toyota could've done the same. Still a inline 6 but modernise it. A heritage that should use their own inline 6. Thats is heritage.

The real reason is this is just a Z4 with a body kit and Toyota badges. It costs a billion dollars to build and design a car from scratch. Need an existing platform, engine, transmission, differential, and BMW had all of them, they just needed to work out the body shape.

Love the channel and I have watched all your videos and I plan on watching any that come out.. However, I'd like to see you give the same treatment for older vehicles that may have gone unnoticed in terms of reliability, safety, etc etc. Thanks for sharing this info/opinion with us all and I wish you all the best. 🙏🙏

Are you saying The new Supra is intended for middle class people?! Middle class people can’t afford fixing a broken BMW

I like your video about the matter! 2jz is an old engine I have no problem with a inline 6 bmw I would love to try it. Fake vents are a turn off and I would appreciate a bit more power also a manual. I think GM makes great products I m not a corvette fan, I think they are a good sportcar, hard to beat a 1le camaro, and à fully speced supra may cost as much as a base zl1, I think the car look great but should be a bit more Power or maybe an other trim! Again never owned a supra I don't care about previous Gen they are mostly tuned I wouldnt buy a car and tune it to the bone, Wanted to own one it seems to me like a mainstream sportscar nothing special! I guess I ll wait and see. Keep it up can't wait to see you driving yours! Cheers

You are very true to say that the new Supra is not a rebadjed Z4. I heard from a video Tetsuya Tada said that engineers from BMW and Toyota worked together only upto a certain point where base chassis and drivetrain was set. After that they worked fully independently. He assured Supra will have Toyota's taste with regard to handling and dynamics. I sure think from inside it looks like a modern BMW. Is it a bad thing? I don't know. What do you think?

Divide the power to weight ratio by the price tag and you will see that Toyota gives you a lot less car per dollar than Corvette

Great breakdown of the Supra, you are a real sport car enthusiast. All this hate is coming from fan boys that have a close mind. They would enjoy the idea of sports cars so much more if they opened up their minds. Keep doing what you are doing!

You never as a car company never use a true proven engine everyone wants

I really don't that it's made with BMW. What I don't like about it is because of how ugly it looks. The gt 86 looks way better

Whats not to like about the c7 interior tho its fine to me...i mean the oassenger side is a bit boring but thats not the person that matters

Inline 6 engines typically weigh MORE than V8's of the same materials. Why? The long engine block actually uses more metal, since it doesn't have the "box" structure of the V8 and has to be overbuilt, and the crankshaft is very heavy. What's more, that long crankshaft needs more bearings and more supports than the V8, which usually has quite a bit more power.

NO WAY V8 Corvette/V8 Camaros/V8 Mustang/V8 Dodge owners/buyers will cross shop to a 335hp Supra

I like the new supra

Toyota frequently out sources for its sports cars. The 1 and 2jz engines are Yamaha designed not to mention the zz and 1lr. A little disappointed this car is so blatantly similar to the BMW but glad that its priced reasonably. I'd have to be manual for me to pull the trigger tho.

They can use Yaris GRMN engine for the 86 instead...... ??????

i cant wait to see some 2020 anti lag supra video!!!

We don’t want a 2JZ. We want a 3JZ. Manual.

Tata-San built the 86 for race car driving schools, instead of actual customers and price point competition, and the 86's sales figures show it. A friend enjoyed his new 86 until he rode in my 2800 lbs car. His 2800 lbs car had 200 hp, mine has closer to 500, while still being "balanced" with the chassis. After that, my friend wouldn't stop complaining about how his car had no power and he eventually sold it. More power is better and "balance" is a cop out.

Haters will always have something to complain about, the fact is 99% of them will never buy one. They want the ft1 body with a redesigned 2jz, and more power, yet they want the car to be under 50k lol. Tada San said it best, "power is endless, its easy to achieve and people will always want more." The only real dissapointment for me is not having a manual option for the fun factor, but I'm still going to test drive this auto version and hope its good enough. I just hope the msrp mark up is not too much.

I will have to admit and I always try to give credit when credit is Do, so with that, I will say I think your Videos are great, and IMO you do your very Best at giving Unbiased information as a true Car Enthusiast. Which is what we all are if I'm Not mistaken. I've been going back & forth with this New Supra. I look at the Car and just grinch my Teeth at how much it looks like a Revamped Glorified FR-S / BRZ / 86. I remember the Fact it has 10 Non-Functional Air Vents and I just drop my Face into my Hands, shake my Head, and think to myself this can't be the New Supra, can it ?? Then there's also the Fact, that it has no back Seats or a Manual Transmission and I begin to wonder if this is some kind of Bad Dream. But No, this is, in Fact, The NEW GR SUPRA from Toyota and this is what Toyota has given Us and Now We just have to Deal with it. There a lot of things I do like about the New GR Supra like it's Overall Design Theme, the headlights are Gorgeous, it's 50/50 weight ratio, and Honestly, how it gives Homage to the Toyota 2000GT coupe throughout its Design. I believe there are Huge Plans for all of Toyota's Sports Car Line-up and this is just the beginning. The FR-S / 86 is already undergoing changes and being Redesigned and there is also speculation of a New Redesigned Mid-Engine MR2 on the Horizon. So, my question is, How long will this Version of the Supra will Last ?? or is this just a real Quick Production run just to reunite the Supra with the rest of its Siblings ?? ..............................Tada did say he thought the Supra needed a New Story ??? PS. I am a Huge Corvette Fan and even though I haven't checked that Video Out I am after I post this Reply, I will say I can completely see Why you did a Comparison with the new Supra. In closing, I'd Like to say again, Great Job, Love your Videos, and Keep Up the Excellent Work !!

This guys cringy, 330hp for 60k? I’ll pass, it really should have a different name, the original Supra was bang for your buck performance completing against Ferrari, the new Supra is twice the price of base sports cars with the same performance, I don’t really care about the bmw part, just have good performance for the price and this isn’t it especially with all the fake vents. Really should be about 35k completing with cars like 370z which sad in its self since that platform is 11 years old

Funny enough grand turismo sport didn't remove the supra's concept FT-1 VGT in the game There GT3 While the supra racing version still in there too Not sure with the ft-1 though

Did i miss why there’s no manual transmission option in the new Supra?

The new supra looks amazing, sounds amazing and short wheelbase most probably handles amazing. Maybe we will get a manual a few years down the road. But maintenance wise, BMW engine and drivetrain parts are costlier than if it was purely toyota (atleast in my country)

How can Toyota claim to be holding true to the heritage of the Supra then have it built by BMW. Toyota just didn't want to put the money into R&D to create a successor to the 2JZ, but they wanted to cash in on the name and history.

I don't think Toyota put enough into the Supra to call it anything different than a rebadged z4 sorry

It's plain and simple. It doesn't have a 2JZ because it can't pass current emissions.

A 4 cyliner turbo will never replace a 6 cylinder; and the I6 are coming back.

Already the new Supra has had a 2jz swap. So disappointing with a BMW engine. They should have called it something else.

did y'all hear the new 2020 supra crash at the nurburgring

A loaded Camaro or Mustang is "close to the $50k range?" Guess this guy hasn't heard of a ZL1 or GT500 which can be optioned out closer to $80k.

can we get the S58 engine in the supra and a quad exhaust set up in the back and an aero wing

"Guys, we could had made a real supra but we wanted your money 2 to 3 years sooner" Tada San

Still an angry ae86 If you wanted to go more sporty , is being smaller than an ae86 too much ?

stop talking about the damn 86. I clicked for the Supra not anything else

The 2016 acura nsx didn't fail because it's an awful car, it failed because people were expecting it to be more like the previous generation: reliable, usable in everyday situation, simple and stronger than it looks.

I think they did a good job with this car. They didnt just slap a BMW engine in it. They did extensive testing a made BMW make changes to the motor to make it more reliable than you would expect from BMW. It's all setup properly to make power like the 2jz. It's great that they kept the car around 50k. They worked out the suspension herd points motor and trans with BMW then completely designed the rest separately

They wanted 2+2 in gt86 and that's why they picked subaru engine ? Aren't people swapping them with 2jz and they fit ?

Before I used to hate the 2020 supra ,but know I love it !

I don’t care about Corvettes just talk about Supras. Should’ve put it in the title that we’re going to talk about Corvettes more than the feature car.

History would tell you Supra"s direct rival should be the SKYLINE fyi the R35 ... it was always its Ying to its Yang so Why isn't it said for the Supra to have a V6 Twin Turbo instead of bothering to think of a straight 4 turbo??? If it was good enough for the R35 surely it would be just as good in this application and you could get that engine from the LEXUS brand making it still an all TOYOTA product!!!

So Toyota is careful on making vehicles to the point that they stopped making at supra for like 2 decades and now decides to take the careful step and immediately slips in quicksand?

6:24 The new Crown Majesta has a V6 and they are talking about maintaining a heritage.

They come up with an engine from scratch for a car that nobody wanted (aka the LFA) and now they can't do it again?

The 2+2 thing is frustrating to me. Hey, if you've got a three-year-old you wanna haul around with no child seat or a friend with no legs, we've got you covered. I found it especially obnoxious in the old Lexus SC. It's like the back seats in those were shoehorned in as a joke. That car would have been SO MUCH better looking as a two-seater. The ONLY thing I can see a 2+2's rear seat being useful for would be dogs.

It has so much potential. And people are seeing it.

Also everyone crys about the power numbers but I think this car would be better compared to base mk4 not the tt mk4. I find it very very hard to believe that there wont be a high performance version coming

It’s not a Supra, it’s just a BMW Crossfire...

They should've went with the old supra body with different lights and upgraded interior and a upgraded 2jz engine. And they went with a sr20 in the brz.

I Wouldn't have minded waiting another 3 yrs for a perfect Supra

Please make a video on the new 2019 Pontiac firebird trans am ,please please please please please🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😁😁😁😁😁

You should do a video on what not to do to your new Supra... Like modify it even though Toyota want you too so in 30 years it'll be rarer than a "don't" Scotty Kilmer video.

Guys... Let's face it. We just don't know how to appreciate new cars anymore. We are still living in fast and furious la la land.

Why don't they re release an 80 series with a 1hdfte? I might be on the wrong channel but we talking Toyota engines so.... Still counts.

Before we even get into your video this was about profit and nothing else. They didn’t see the value in development of their own engine despite the fact that most owners are going to spend a large amount to swap in a 2jz. They should have done the development and sold the car for 10-20k more with closer to 400hp. I think they majorly overlooked how people buy Toyota’s for Toyota reliability...

its cheaper to use a good existing engine rather than making whole new one especially if they were uncertain of sales

I can afford a Supra now and it's maintenance

You didn't get invited because you rode on the hate train. Should it have been called a Supra? Wrong question. Is it going to be overpriced? Try again buddy. Is the new Supra going to be a failure? Not if we pick the right reviewers.

Here's the big solution to please anyone: V10. V10 EVERYTHING. V10 EVERYWHERE.

So why not a boost friendly boxer (T) or another Japanese co-op with the Supra?