'Since you wasted your time not answering the question, you'll be given the question in yes or no form and you won't be given more time to explain yourself' is mine
@@MMAli-rq8kd I missed the part where it had to be a journalist. I was talking about my favorite way a moderator guides the conversation, so yearh no it didn't happen.
New Zealander here... Up til this interview her journalistic style of always viciously on the attack and always pushing for a juicy sound-bite for authority figures was widely ridiculed. She's not known for careful and fact-based journalism, just for being an ignorant pitbull.
Hammering trump.... how many people died because you lied about the severity of covid because you didn't want to cause a panic? I suppose dead people don't panic did they?
You can tell that the politicians over there know their place because he didn't have a complete melt down, run to right wing media and do a thousand interviews talking about how journalists are trying to sew division in the country and we should all be polite to each other.
@@lolitagarcia5559 Its also that journalists know their place. Their job is not to cozy up to politicians in the hope for access, some of that does go on, but its obvious and you just steer clear of those "news" organisations.
Except what he said wasn't even a false (or true) fact. The right response isn't to stop it even if it were but instead to correct it so that those that think it have the opportunity to learn. This interview won't inform, it will entrench whatever belief a person came in with. Terrible interview.Good entertainment. Preventing someone saying something they think which is incorrect does not change their mind about that which they think. It changes what they think of you.
It's been broken since Nixon and the 70s and solidified as broken with Reagan in the 80s. As long as people still believe that the wealthy have a right to be stupidly wealthy and that the establishment still has a right to exist in politics whatsoever we won't get here
@@Atombender well actually she has roasted Jacinda well but why not politicians are not gods they are answerable to the voters that put them into parliament lol seen enough damn elections here in NZ since Keith Holyoake onwards.
"This might be the last time that you're on air. Probably the last time that we'll invite you on. Are there any apologies that you want to issue to anyone?" Absolutely savage.
I'm an American living in Australia. Kiwis (New Zealanders) and Aussie journalists are far harder on their politicians in interviews. They hold them to account. It's so refreshing!
Most of the Australian press is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Likewise Newshub is New Zealand's corporate owned company. This is just the right wing cleaning house.
We have a massive problem with lack of media diversity here in Australia. Rupert Murdoch dominates here, and News Corp's only serious rival (Nine/Fairfax) is chaired by the former treasurer of the (conservative) Liberal Party of Australia. It's gotten so bad that a former Prime Minister has put up a petition calling for a Royal Commission into cross-media ownership laws here, and the response has been huge. There is also a growing independent media presence online with people like FriendlyJordies and Michael West that have broken or signal-boosted some major stories, but it's still early days.
@@huwguyver4208 I'm in Sydney. I typically watch 9 News. Idk if they're owned by Murdoch or not but they seem to be pretty balanced when interviewing politicians. I've seen interviews with those from the Labour and Liberal parties that have had serious pushback and bluntness by the interviewer when need be. Maybe not as hard as this lady did in this particular video, but hard enough to make my jaw drop a bit and to giggle.
@@TheTessEffect so Nine/Fairfax (who runs Channel 9 and the Sydney Morning Herald) are not as shameless in their bias as the Murdoch press, but their chairman is Peter Costello, the treasurer under the John Howard administration. 9/Fairfax don't slam Labor relentlessly like the Murdoch press does, but nonetheless it is a concern, and it can influence which stories get run and which not. But News Corp is the biggest problem imo. Since you're living here, take a look at those YT channels I mentioned in my previous post if you are interested in finding out more. There is a lot of stuff that goes unreported or under-reported, because commercial news is run by big business and they like to protect their interests (eg. avoiding paying their share of taxes).
Watch any interview with Trump or the white secretary, the media calls Trump out on his bs but they always have an answer and they deny truths, give false equivalency and then some how spin it on the media calling them fake news.
In N.Z this type of interviewing is the norm.Did not know what the big deal was.Tova has a go at all politicians,like most of our journalists.They get called out.
I'm a US expat and this was my first time voting in NZ and elections here have been so much uplifting than the current US elections. Voting in the US ballot has been like pulling teeth
@@scotttild you lucked out on the covid mate, covid seems to having a ball in the USA, UK ooh all over the globe with new strains appearing. Also we have more than one party to vote for here, dont know how you arrived at that conclusion.
"if you're going to come onto the show and say things that are just factually incorrect I can do that actually..." priceless, why haven't we thought of that in the states yet? lmao
That was *why* she felt she could be savage. She was talking to someone with no power. Earlier the same day she interviewed the deputy-leader of a major party who deserved the exact same treatment, but instead of giving it to him, she gave him a friendly and cordial interview.
In the US you can't honestly say this is the last time you'll be on because there's only two parties so you're you're always gonna have both parties on. You can't say to the loser this is the last time we'll ever have a Democrat on; or this is the last time we'll ever have a Republican on. This guy's party was completely and totally wiped out. Neither party in the US is ever going to be wiped out.
@@garyluciani370 Agreed. The #1 thing the US needs to do is move to a multi-party system. We used to use the US's plurality voting system and only ever had 2 parties here, then 25 years ago we changed voting system and have had 5-7 parties ever since. So if I lived in the US the #1 thing I'd try to do to fix politics would be convince my local state politicians to change the way federal congressional seats in the state are voted for, to a instant-run-off system rather than a plurality one. I see Maine did it recently, but it probably needs bigger states to do it too to have much effect.
@@NZStarlight if you introduced preferential voting, so voting for minor parties doesn't mean leaching support from the major parties, you'd see more people voting for them, and more minor parties developing and being voted in.
suggesting people observe the statistics about something is not "factually wrong". If it is you correct it. If it's misleading you explain why. The idea is to inform people...not to prevent someone suggesting people look at the "mortality rate" which is what she actually cut off. Now i realize most people suck at statistics and so many will not understand but to prevent them beyond extreme condescension. This isn't a sesame st, it's the news....that's the idea anyway. This interview shows her opinions of him and nothing more. That makes it a bad interview. I did however appreciate the energy...had only she brought that up against a real politician like our PM or opposition leader....this was a young inexperienced unelected brand new party.
@@chrisallum9044 Your assessment doesn't appear to account for the reality that the person being interviewed is considered a political outlier and far right-nutbag in New Zealand (as he would be in most other developed countries), whereas in the US he would be considered 'moderate right' and deserving of uninterrupted airtime. He has a history of engaging in conspiracy theories and presenting false statistics as a means of supporting his ideology, along with demonstrating narcissistic traits similar to those of the US President. With a population of only about 5 million, his conspiracy statistics don't need explaining, because they've been debunked thoroughly many times before. This interview wasn't designed for consumption by atypically politically uninformed audiences such as the USA market. American politics are not 'normal' when compared to other developed countries, because they focus almost exclusively on ideology, rather than evidence-based policy. Their left is actually centre-right and their right is 'batshit crazy right'. A more realistic comparison might be an American presenter interviewing Pat Robertson as a Party candidate...... although even then, he would be considered less whacko by Yank standards than this guy is in New Zealand.
@@chrisallum9044 It''s been almost a year since the pandemic started. If you don't know enough to say decisively that Covid is not something you want to catch; if you're still Uhmmming and Ahhing about the minutiae then you should already expect contempt from others. The fact that this idiot used his position of power to protest the guidelines and question *peer reviewed* science is an absolute disgrace.
@@anserbauer309 "Their left is actually centre-right and their right is 'batshit crazy right'" Amen! The only real 'left' in the US is the Progressive party.
This is brilliant. I want to be a Kiwi. These are a nation of forward thinkers, and this journalist proves it. Well done, Tova O'Brien! And Well done @DavidDoel! And congratulations New Zealand!
@@maakeklein4073 And motor-racing - Kiwis like Scott Dixon making a huge impression in the Indycars series over the years. 3rd best of the alltime list now...
How about she interview Pelosi, Schumer and Biden? Would you like that? Nope! You like when CNN and MSNBC partisan HACKS give them softballs. Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!
bahahahaha I had to say it out loud a few times to work out how I sounded like I was saying dickhead 😂 to be fair we can sound pretty bizarre even to ourselves when you hear one of us speaking, we get so used to hearing the kind of non-accent/kinda American talk were hear so much. I lived in Aussie for 5 years n got so used to hearing the Australian journos n especially the news readers that whenever I came home I found our accent really awful n kinda uneducated sounding - for lack of a better term!
But it also takes American Politicians...and leaders...to answer the questions asked....and directly. Needs both sides in on this. Instead or replying "Fake News", "That.s a nasty question" and other childish replies to Journalist's questions.
New Zealander here. Earlier that day this same journalist was cosying up to a powerful politician who deserves every bit of the same treatment. She only feels free to unload on this guy because he has no power and will never be on air again. This was savage, but it was depressingly a lets-beat-up-the-victim while we kow-tow to the powerful moment.
@@NZStarlight Well, I can only speculate as to what kind of "cosying" she was doing. She seems pretty critical here when discussing Brownlee being a jerk to a fellow journalist - www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/gerry-brownlee-s-unfair-attack-on-newshub-journalist-debated-by-tova-o-brien-mark-richardson.html
As a New Zealander, I've got a list of journalists I'd be happy to exile / export. Tova here is actually one of them. She spent half the Q&A sessions at the publicly televised Covid briefings variously either being really ignorant and missing the points, or trying to dig for pointless and irrelevant sound-bites in order to undermine the government's world-leadingly successful Covid-response. One nasty interview of a powerless guy who she expects to never see again doesn't redeem that.
Edward Genet She’s the one who’s trying to get a name for herself. Capitalistic media is all about sensationalism. How to grab people’s attention through controversy. Even if it’s manufactured controversy.
Well, I feel that she's missing the,' get back to the kitchen' gene, a bit of a rogue one I'd say. Negligence on the parents for sure. Poor DNA material.
@@NAGIUXS yes, but the conclusion to draw from the facts you stated isn't that journalists shouldn't hold their interviewees hard to account ; rather it means we have a domestic terrorism problem in the right wing that needs to be addressed, and i don't mean with discussion.
She can't do that in your beautiful country because America is different than this little Island, I don't think she have courage to deal with Donald Trump
@@viliamilatu3638 She could. Potentially she could setup an interview from her network in the WH and then air it to the world. Trump would most likely never invite her but by then the damage would be done.
British journalists can be a bit like this, too. However, Americans don't like reporters being "mean" to politicians they like. Witness the last Trump Town Hall, where all the Trumpers got upset because the female moderator was "mean" ... and asking tough questions.
Yeah i was thinking the same-Andrew Marr, some of the Channel 4 news crew, Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn all come to mind. They have their flaws too but as a side by side comparison to American journalists they have teeth of iron lol
@Nunnha B In the mantime "alpha male" Donnie who keeps bitchin and whining abiut how unfair the media for being biased against him.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5XloE3UodvU.html
The tone may seem harsh, but it’s exactly framed in the “politicians work for us” mindset. It’s the truth. Elected officials SHOULD answer to us. We treat them like a kind of nobility in the US. It would be appropriate if the American free media would scrutinize their politicians like underperforming employees.
This tone is not entirely unexpected in Aotearoa. Broadly speaking New Zealanders are uncomfortable about taking on airs and graces. There's often only one degree of separation between people so any pompous behaviour gets picked up quite quickly. On the not so good side it can be harrowing to strive to do well or achieve in many parts of the country. The fear of being put back into one's place, possibly with violence, is real.
I think only republicans treat their politicians like nobility. Trump says something slightly racist, and his supporters ignore it or commend it. Biden says something slightly racist, and it's met with fierce backlash among democrats. Democrat politicians always have to walk on eggshells around their voters for fear of being "cancelled", while Republican politicians basically do whatever they want to their voters
I saw one of the Labour MPs in the street a few days before the election. I walked over and had a 5 minute conversation, no issue, no security getting in the way, just two adults talking. As has been said previously, politicians in NZ are considering to work for the people and not be of some higher class.
This is normal in NZ. Journalist ask the questions the public wants to know and no matter who they are, they take the opposing approach towards politician which is how we get answers.
My thoughts exactly, he knew he was going to be drilled and he kept his composure. He should've known better than to try bringing up mortality rates though, as if she'd let him get away with that.
Ikr. They always have to bring up the other side and when Conservative talking heads DON'T care about what the other side thinks. They care about what they think.
@@davidowens5898 - I watch him too. He calls out people yes, but he’s not as unrelenting as this woman is. She acted like she didn’t give one F if he never came on the show again. If Bill did that, no one with disagreeing positions would appear on his show in the future. In American, it’s more about you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours. Sure the interviewer might ask tough questions but it rarely ends in a “I don’t care if you never come back” type ending.
This what happens in countries where politicians need the media to get airtime instead of having to buy it with other people's money. She don't care about "access."
When Tova attends the COVID-19 briefings you can notice the uncomfortableness of public health officials as they know they can't get away giving a half ass answer.
We have a love/hate relationship with Tova. She can be fucking savage... and then ask dumb questions that make her look as though she's suffered some sort of crippling brain injury. This was one of her better moments. When she's good, she's really good.
True that cuzzie! Our Wahine are a fiery bunch. I spent time in Texas and found that the African American sisters are just as staunch. Guess it keeps us guys in check lol
Glorious! that is how you talk to proven liars and grifters, treat them with the disdain that they deserve. "You're in dreamland mate" is the line of the clip for me :D
I am a kiwi, she actually said "You're dreaming mate". There was a popular advert here with some little kiwi and aussie kids playing in a sandpit (it was for a hardware store) and the kids are talking like adults, and when the kiwi kids ask the aussie one for help with a big job at the weekend he responds. "maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate you're dreamin!" with a thick aussie accent (stereotype is that aussie workers are lazy compared to us kiwis).
@@Hellknight27 Yeah, I heard it since and realised she said "dreaming". Didn't know that about the advert but I'm not really down with the stereotyping tho... The English have derogitory stereotypes & names for all of our neighbours, and it's one of the many reasons why they hate us.
You must be a kiwi! We don't believe in ELECTORAL or POPULAR VOTE. Just vote.whoever gets most numbers wins.cest tout that's it!Not complicated at all!
@Jing Bot because these rich as fuckers know what's coming down the track with the social financial effects of the upcoming sixth great extinction due to climate change the have left there plundered country's like rats off a sinking ship to buy up New Zealand complete with the standard fitted out dooms day bunker. Last great extinction co2 levels 360 parts per million.co2levels as of this year over 400 parts per million .
Love this woman....she needs to come and teach journalism in the USA......the US....is so media weak. Good!!! For her and NZ....been to that country, it is fabulous.
As an Australian it’s hard for me to say this 😁 but New Zealand is a shining light in the world. That bloke took it pretty well considering she pulled his pants down and smacked him.
New Zealanders here. Tova O'brien is widely considered to be a less than average journalist/interviewer, although this is a stand out moment for her. If you want to see a REAL grilling of a politician, search up Radio New Zealand's, Kathryn Ryan's I terview with the Opposition Leader Judith Collins. She gives a master class every morning on national radio to tens of thousands of listeners
You haven't just observed a good high quality interview. You are experiencing the euphoria of : schadenfreude /ˈʃɑːd(ə)nˌfrɔɪdə,German ˈʃɑːdənˌfrɔydə/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: Schadenfreude; noun: schadenfreude pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.
@@chrisallum9044 Exactly. This is why it is not professional journalism in my opinion. Good journalism should be about finding truth and exposing the powerful, not about shaming or personal opinion. No matter how big the asshole is.
@@chrisallum9044 That was NOT misfortune. That was a politician being called to account for his own actions: trying to benefit personally from spreading falsehoods and conspiracy theories (sound like anyone we know?), for which she rightly took him to task. She laid down the law: don't lie here, period, no exceptions, and if you try I will shut you down. People's lives were (are) at stake. "Rubbish" like that is tolerated at our peril. For some people (228k and counting in US) this is life and death. The time for "politeness" on this issue is WAY past.
@DECIMUS MAXIMUS I'm a New Zealander too. I can't believe the amount of ignorance that comes from Trump supporters in the US like you. Donald Trump would've been unacceptable to voters in New Zealand at the lowest level of politics here, in a local district council. Even in a small town a part time journalist for the local community newspaper circulating to a few hundred households would've exposed him and torn him to pieces. Tova O'Brien is good but she is not unusual in New Zealand. She has inherited her style from a long line of political journalists who have always taken politicians to task for promulgating misinformation, something which New Zealanders have absolutely no tolerance for and what you also appear to champion.
That wasn't journalism. It was a roast. Entertainment isn't news. If you mix them be very conscious of the difference. You haven't just observed a good high quality interview. You are experiencing the euphoria of : schadenfreude /ˈʃɑːd(ə)nˌfrɔɪdə,German ˈʃɑːdənˌfrɔydə/ Learn to pronounce noun noun: Schadenfreude; noun: schadenfreude pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.
This interviewer is brilliant and brave. But I’m also impressed with the people of NZ for voting out this conspiracy theorist, and ensuring he’s out of the political game. Every country should do this. I’m looking at you, Americans.
He kinda of isn't a conspiracy theorist. But he was desperate to stay in power and joined a conspiracy theorist and his party to try stay in Parliament through them. As Tova O'Brien said, you sold your soul.
This everyday in New Zealand, we call out people's b.s and tell the truth. Politician shouldn't lie to the media and people because they don't have anything stand on in the end. New Zealand is number one 🇳🇿🥝🇳🇿🥝🇳🇿🥝🇳🇿🥝🇳🇿🌬️
Ooohh, wooooo!!! baaaaammmm!!ooocccuuuhhh!!!! WE NEED MORE NEWSCASTERS LIKE HER!!! She didn’t hold ANYTHING back, oooohhh man!! She took total control over the conversation and her line of questions and was spot on!! Oooh man!!
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@@nil981 yep! Talking heads baby! If I had a subscriber for every time we've talked about that on our channel we'd be bigger than Rational National by now! 😅🤣
