Pundits are a bit biased haha I’m French and all I can say is Ireland took the wheels off your vehicle. You had no ball. They knew how to nullify your game and that’s dangerous. ABs need to create a strategy that involves the breakdown and the air. As for the pundits saying it’s the end of the year and all that rubbish.. I remember when NZ beat Ireland at this time of year and the conclusion was that the ABs were well oiled, and unstoppable because they played so much together. Hilarious stuff. I think what’s happening is that teams are just catching up and the law of numbers will dictate who is next at becoming rugby kings for the next era.
Agree , i am just hearing alot of excuses lol. The bokke where longer on the road and endured worst covid protocols they where just beaten and most of the playa's looked lost...
When you win all the time a loss needs an excuse , it was Irelands second game since before the summer , so it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other really
Ireland have always been able to throw the kitchen sink at visiting teams, that was par for the course at Lansdowne road. What impresses is that now they have the fitness, skills , and attacking philosophy to go with it. Ireland were brilliant .
Totally taken many a year to get there and learning from the hidings you have given. We have an off loading , ball running front row and an 80 minute team... It feels weird saying that as for years we were saying the opposite while getting 60 points over us on the board and our ass handed to us. God bless quality coaches(Schmidt/Farrell) and a good academy/club system. We still have to starve you of the ball as you are just too lethal with ... But at least we are competitive at times now and hopefully it's sinking in more into the team the level to be at to be able to beat you. For too long that level was only a SH thing but now playing Eng/Wales the standard has improved in the NH, but you are still the benchmark of where any team is at. I fully expect a thorough hiding next year having poked the bear ... So let us have now. Looking forward to the France game next week as they have been better than us recently ... Though we have rediscovered some form now.
Hey, Covid arrived in Ireland too. Ireland have taken All Blacks 3 times in the past 5 meetings, Ireland have no fear from playing the great All Blacks any more. Great to see Landsdowne Road back to the fortress it always is when our teams turn it on, both rugby and football. Come on Ireland!
Martin McDonald two of those wins at home apart from that Chicago massacre. We smashed you at the WC. We'll just see how well you go next june in lil ol Nz for three tests not a one off test.
Sure, but these guys have been in a bubble for months already. They were in Australia for over a month, and then USA, then wales. It must be 2 months already. Ireland play in England and are home for dinner
I feel you may be getting ahead of yourself like the Irish did in WC. I'd not get too cocky, with a tour of NZ in 2022, it might well be more difficult than you are expecting.
Remember ireland only had 12 days together before they played Japan and a week later played NZ. You had that forward pass try disallowed but don't forget furlongs disallowed try. Ireland dismantled Japan the week before and I think people underestimated how good a performance it was.
Not me and i mentioned it on the ABS channel that if they play like they did vs Italy and the way Ireland played vs Japan, ABS will get served performing like that
No point beating the ABs when you cant progress through a WC. It was like this leading up to 2015 and 2019. If you want to be a great team consistently beat good teams during and in between WCs
@@Skybar23 there are no negatives to beating the AB. There's no point in beating ireland in the World Cup only to to get beaten out the gate by England. Ireland are capable of beating anybody on their day they need to get consistent and there are signs of that now.
@@pilgrim3387 the differemce is NZ can perform in WCs amd in between. Ireland cant. Hosting nations of WCs will always do well hence England beating NZ but NZ have beaten England at every other WC. No point bringing your A game vs NZ then losing to a side like Japan as in the past
They complimented Ireland the whole way through the discussion, so they did give them a lot of credit. They also acknowledged NZ were miles off their usual standard, mostly because of how well the Irish played.
Like they said, Ireland played a perfect game. No excuses for ABs. Bring on June series and watch that chat space, wont hear shit from Irish like RWC 19 when they got spanked
Ireland thoroughly deserved the win well played them. I have never seen them play so well. We were badly beaten at forward, where games are won and lost. Full credit. Robertson for coach
HAHAHAHAHAHA... give credit where it is due? No way in hell. They will find everything and every excuse to discredit a team that beats the AB's. As a South African, we have know this all too well. Ireland ran the AB's off the field. Ireland were simply too hot.
Crazy analysis. You'd swear Ireland didn't absolutely dominate. Even the coach said it was the best performance he came up against. Give some credit lads.
I agree with you hotshot, but the reason the All Blacks have been successful for so long is the "glass half full" mentality - what can they control and do better? The panel is right in the sense that many errors and the aimless game plan were the All Blacks own doing - and frustration that had they avoided so many self-inflicted errors, they probably could have still won.
@@kinghomeboy i did but come on literally a few words on Ireland being good but didn't go into detail and say why they were so good.. Its not like any of us Irish think we're as good as NZ but at least give us praise for dominating the best team in the world.. No1 in Ireland thought we'd win, all we wanted was to be at least competitive
Congrats, Ireland! What a delicious match to watch. I regret not being able to go to Dublin this weekend to support my beloved Argentina and enjoy banter, craic and beers with Irish rugby acquantainces. I'll be absolutely delighted to attend or watch games with rugby friends from all over the world (including English ones, hahaha!) come the WC in France in 2023 (I live in Paris). Now all the teams need to hone their plans & skills, and Ireland are showing the way.
The allblacks were just magnificent in defence, it kept them in the game, never thought I would be saying that as a irish fan, but it's true , also James Lowe definitely deserved man of the match , he was immense, you could see what it meant for him to be on a winning side against his country, guess he was thinking who's not good enough now , don't mean that in a bad way BTW 😉
England fan in peace. take a look at the tackles made stats in the first half. the All Black's had to make a lot of tackles in the first half, in boxing you work the body and then go for the KO. That's what happened. What Kirwin said, it is good that you have lost, this shouts at you what you need to fix. you will beat France.
Yes its interesting how players love to challenge their country of origin. What a memory Munster v All Blacks 2008 when Munster's 4 Kiwi players led by Doug Howlett performed a haka at the ABs. As the commentator said ''If that doesn't send shivers down your spine I don't know what does ''
It was a great performance and a great result but When are we going to see a performance like this from Ireland in the World Cup? That's Where I want to see Ireland beating New Zealand.
As an Irish fan I just want us to actually have a phenomenal world cup or win but we peak Early or when we get there get one good win then fall apart sadly. But I'm hoping this quarter final curse disappears in the next world cup
@@MegaGoalkeeper13 sexton more or less said the same thing in 1 of the post match interviews. He doesn't want to see Ireland peek too soon like they have done in the past. Whatever, now at least, the very long shot is of Ireland actually winning a world cup is, for them just to have an outstanding world cup would be Soo much better than before
Probably have to say things didn’t go right because Ireland wouldn’t let it go right. And when Barrett was on Ireland was still dominating collisions and finding space all over the park
Don't entirely agree. Ireland were committing to the line speed and players around the ruck for ball retention...which leaves opportunities behind the gain line and in and around a counter ruck, but it requires a similar commitment from the AB's on counterattack and kick returns. I love a good game, even when the AB's lose but show great heart and intelligence. Even though Ireland were great, they kept the same strategy and the AB's never adapted. Something similar happened with the previous weeks Italy game, where the Italians used great line speed to disrupt AB's ball. Ultimately, no one ever took charge to change the strategy and dissuade the Italians from coming off their line so early and as a result the Italians were allowed to play the strategy that ultimately suited them. I hope they (AB team)discuss and implement the ability to change team strategy midgame in the future, because some strategies require everyone to know what is coming and not simply 'playing what's in front of them'. You can't take anything away from Ireland, but you certainly can criticize the AB's for not adapting faster.
@@blairansellfraser I think if AB’s had 10 percent more possession they could of nicked the win, I think if you look at Ireland’s game this year no one plays well against them. Genuinely every team they’ve played this year would refer to their Ireland game as being their worse performance. because they disrupt you all over the park and give you little possession to find your rhythm. Line speed is usually beaten by fast ball but because Ireland are so disruptive at break down and in the collision they slow down your ball speed and it allows them to set their defence.
@@hc8299 every team slow the oppositions ball down, ireland have exceptional loose forwards and beat NZ up I the forwards laying a platform for there backs. When NZ had a back row of McCaw, Kaino, Read that was an excellently balanced back row capable of disrupting opposition ball and attacking link play. Irelands back row of Doris, Conan and Van der Flier are a better combination than the current crop in NZ.
@@caballoblanco2828 I would consider Ireland especially good at that break down. Alot of that has to do with Ireland’s loose forwards which in my opinion Ireland have the best selection of back rows in the world. I don’t mean that as they have all the best backrows in the world, I just mean they have about 10 backrows that would be some of the best in Europe. But it’s also to do with joe Schmidt. I remember Ireland had the best ruck in the world under him and I was reading the other day that Paul O’Connell who was a disciple of Schmidt has continued that rucking legacy.
@@hc8299 totally agree with you there. Ireland since Scmidt started coaching Ireland, they've become very disciplined and organised at the breakdown and set piece. We're now seeing under Farrell, Oconnell and Catt a lot of freedom to play what's in front of them and utilise the skillful forwards more that Ireland have. Under schmidt Ireland were not allowed to offload or make mistakes and this made them play a restricted, structured set-peice and kicking game. Ireland did have some line-out and set peice troubles before Oconnell but that looks to be a lot more solid now.
Love the positivity, it's about finding solutions and not about giving out about the ref or residency rules ... Truly trying to think about the rugby ... Love it.
@@J0sh351 nope it's because the always bring it in every game and are always the target to beat. SA had their long period of shitness until Razzie, Aus are Aus ... But AB's ...Understand the frustration and expectation, but you will hammer us next year ... Enjoying things for now as it's only happened less than a handful of times in the last 100 years. Hope that we can keep in it for a non embarrassing period of time. There is a blue print for beating you now .... But you have to give 200% , but how do you break that blueprint.
@@KiloPage777 yup probably being a bit dismissive of SA and know how much rugby is huge there and your results speak for themselves.... But you can't say you weren't going through a good period of mediocrity pre razzie ??
@@J0sh351 Wow really? First time I've ever heard someone claim that the media or NZ'ers are "soft" on the AB's. It was ALWAYS about turning on them and rubbishing everyone involved as soon as we lose against anyone at anytime. It is so much better now. It's a significant part of how we won in 2011. Losing like this highlights an opportunity to reinvent and get better and come back and win. That was the shift in mindset that helped us do better in World Cups. Slamming them doesn't help anything.
Wales here. Sure we have a few grand slams and some wins against Aus and SA but gotta say I'm very jealous of this Irish team. They are what I wish Wales was. Serious contenders to win the 2023 world cup. Don't let these pundits put your recent achievements down.
Mate, Ireland are the biggest World Cup chokers. There have been great Irish teams in the past. Still could go beyond the quarter finals. I wouldn't bet on the Irish in a World Cup.
@@fleds8517 my guy, last WC was Ireland's to show they have arrived, stumbled on an inspired Japan team with over 100 million people behind them and it was difficult. I would go as far as saying ENG will be one of the favourites too. Maybe even France. But let's be honest. In any sport, the teams/countries that tend to win the major trophies are always the same. Not sure if it's about getting that monkey of your back because ENG hasn't won since 2003 and have been to 2 finals since.
Great win for us 🇮🇪 and also great sportsmanship from 🇳🇿 This Irish team has great potential. If they keep building and getting better the sky is the limit.
@@paulosullivan4057 I'm an English rugby,proper rugby fan and it's the best and most balanced Irish team I've seen with more vital strength in depth than in the past, springboks are sore losers without doubt
I was watching off the ball (and Irish outlet) after the last game and they were literally mostly analysing ireland, because duh they're an Irish sport outlet for an Irish audience, its common sense bro. But in general rugby puntis from wherever are clutching at straws to keep their job. Pull ya head out mate.
What has Farrel achieved to make him a good coach?...placing 3rd in the 6N? jesus beating NZ makes people blinded by thier results recently under Farrell. Back it up with titles. Farrell has neither.
It’s really great to see honest heartfelt opinions, took it on the chin. New Zealand is a Nation of people that you can definitely have respect for. We can thank NZ rugby for setting the standard in world Rugby. God I love this sport!!! Respect from Ireland ☘️
Foster needs to go. We need innovation on attack. Even fkn Italy has our number now. He still hasn’t come up with an answer to the rush D after how many years now. We looked absolutely lost most of that game. We were out coached just as much as we were outplayed, Ireland’s tactics on attack were incredible. If that shambles of a kicking display is all Foster has come up with to combat aggressive rush defence then ffs we might as well just sit the next World Cup out. Bring Razor in because the only reason we weren’t blown out was just pure instinctive rugby talent and heart on defence. We never looked like winning this game at all. Congrats Ireland, from a gutted kiwi 😭
Well you can't win every game even McCaw and DC lead team had there off days 25 of them to be exact. ffs are you forgetting about the rugby championship in 2009
@@sublimeranter4812 The difference is that Graham Henry and Steve Hansen are brilliant rugby minds who used those losses to build blueprints for us to win back to back world cups. Foster hasn’t even been able to learn from our World Cup exit from 2 years ago. Even though he wasn’t head coach, it’s quite obvious that Ireland in 2018 and then England in 2019 had clearly come up with the the strategy to beat us and still he has come up with nothing to counter them resulting in what we saw in the weekend. Great tactics can make an average team look like world champions, and irelands tactics made us look like a bloody club team.
Ireland showed that other teams are now at the ABs level, they were brilliant and starved the ABs of possession, when we got it we scored but the ABs defence was off the chain and would have taken its toll…Dane Coles should have been on earlier in second half and maybe Christie but at the end of the day Ireland played exceptionally and hardly put a foot wrong
AB had a great defensive game going, Ireland really struggled to convert the first half opportunities. I would say, for all the pundits talking about the forward pass that could have made the difference, Ireland also had a TMO decision on double movement deny them (probably) 7 points. It does go both ways and did during that game.
Well said, Kiwis always look for the positives though, and thats what impresses me. As an Irish man im proud of our achievement but Im also aware of the context, means nothing if we dont build on towards next WC.
Two games vs SA and this match vs Ireland have shown the All Blacks are well off the mark. In those 3 matches, the opponent carried hard and shifted the ball with short passes, which isolated defenders and resulted in incredibly speedy recycle of the ball. The All Blacks did well down near the goal line BUT letting the opponent march down the field consistently is going to exhaust any side. The team looked clueless in attack - there is still no answer for rush defence and basic skills were poor too. I am not convinced the side is getting any better under Foster and they seem continually bereft of ideas under pressure. I'm an ABs fan and give them less than a 10% chance at the RWC right now.
Yup probably. I think the subtleties in team specific tactics aren't quite there. SA, Wales, Ireland here, even Aus seem to understand the opponent better (to my dumb self haha).
100%. I"m a South African All Black fan and feel that the ABs are in a slump at the moment. I guess that's also as a result of many youngsters coming in. We will be back!! But all credit to Ireland .It was an amazing game to watch. Ireland were beautiful !!
Yep. And 1 defeat is hardly reason to panic or suggest NZ are in crisis. NZ are the number 1 team in the world. Very kneejerk reactions from these guys
Sometimes I actually think that the ABs having so much depth can be a double edged sword. I might be wrong, but I do get the impression that being an AB is a fairly cut throat position to be in. Having so many talented players snapping at your heels both panics you as a player, and also makes the coaching system impatient- maybe even a bit trigger happy to cut you from the team, based on one or two off days. Lowe for instance, not even being given a shot at the wing for New Zealand I think is a bit symptomatic of this phenomenon. A supremely talented player that likely would have made a fantastic ab who simply would not be given a chance due to not being up to standard at the age of 20. I think a little faith goes a long way, and it’s not always the most obviously talented players who perform when the pressure is gigantic (such as test level).
Especially right now. Nobody is given time in their position to settle. Combinations are changing all the time. Consistency of combinations is what builds success and the current all blacks don't have that. Still they are a young team and if the boys stick around and don't leave for European money then we might see another 2015 team emerge
Backline let AB's and Mils was spot on they didn't do the little things. Ireland did the small things, decoy runners constantly fixing defenders and good timing on the back doors and attack the gap at pace. ABs backline lost to much possession of what he had and we're not on the same page.
@@MrShhuush that's what it looked like. I feel if the combinations settle then the abs can perform as a unit in the backs. In that game it looked like "Chuck it to the next guy and see if he can do some mad shit"
No Lowe was a nut bag .. that’s why he never made it to the ABs.. you’ll see in future matches how unpredictable he can be…😉 also he’s at his peak right now and that’s not going to last…
Bad luck folks. as a South African I couldn't help cheering for the Irish, haha. Must be the green. Anyways, stay tuned, we're about to relive the world cup finals this Saturday.
not to mention a very harsh double movement by kelleher in the build up to furlongs disallowed try. they usual only check double movement for try scorer
As an Irish man I have to say that Ireland’s International Rugby team do us proud. But in fairness to the AB's, they set the cross bar to the high level it is. Every time Ireland played the ABs in the past, and Ireland lost to them, Ireland learned something every time. So Ireland developed their game and learned how to defeat the ABs. I remember it was unthinkable to defeat the ABs because they were that good. The ABs did nothing wrong, but I believe the ABs old system no longer works, and they need to reinvent themselves. Ireland also have very good Rugby at club level and they continue to build on their Rugby 🏉 🏉. So Ireland deserved their win and we make no apologies for that.
Very true. A game plan originated in 2004.Which underlines the coaching problem of handing the baton from Henry to Hansen to Foster over 17 years No infusion of new updated thinking. Clearly there are a number of coaches in NZ who would bring to the task new think and a better record than Foster. Check out Foster's coaching career. Talk about mediocrity. Really!!
As they say in rugby, it was a good day at the office! Though at 76th minute I though New Zealand might turn it cause they can step it up.. Saturday Ireland were amazing, it's up there with one of the best games from an Irish side. The atmosphere in Lansdowne Rd I'm sure was electric
Fitzpatrick, Kirwan, Cullen, Barrett brothers, McCaw, Reid nice to have some New Zealanders play for Ireland for a change!!! Lowe, Aki and Gibson park were immense as were all the team in a well deserved victory!
The ABs need to find their soul again. They don't play like one team anymore, but do a lot of individual things that are not in their DNA. This is true in their attack as well as defence. I've always admired their team spirit, the accuracy of their execution and resilience to come back and turn the score board around when they are behind. Non of that is visible in this team. Even the haka are not done with enthusiasm or heart. Meanwhile the French are liking their lips. Hope they find their soul in a week's time.
And all of these problems stem from the coach. We have players in almost every position that are top five in the world. A dream for any coach, and yet foster has us looking lost and shaky
Ireland won the game, whereas, understandably for a Kiwi panel, they're focussing on New Zealand losing. I think that is an important distinction to make
We kicked any ball we had away, had no visible game plan and failed to make adequate changes as the game progressed. We also had uncharacteristically shocking handling - All of this exacerbated by great Irish pressure. The All Blacks only managed to keep it tight through defensive strength and pure natural rugby talent (how does a team dominated so thoroughly still go in to the break on top) ..I'm not trying to take away from Irelands win, they played amazingly!! It's just easy to see as a kiwi that Foster has been handed the keys to a Ferrari and it doesn't seem like he knows how to drive it
there is a fine distinction between focusing on what went wrong and disregarding the development and quality of the opposition. This was an exercise in excuse rather than constructive analysis. If the AB's are to get back to the level they aspire to they seriously need to accept that other nations have closed the gap they now need to focus on what can be the next eureka moment. There is no doubting the quality and that AB's are the bench mark but with that comes a bloody big X on their heads, Ireland have been very consistent in the past 5 years bit of respect after 3 wins you would feel is warranted and just
@@joelyons886 You're just so keen to be praised, and for what? Good on you, you won, you've improved and played well but closed the gap?? You've just sat down at the table. A dominant performance against a half baked All Blacks side gets you a 9 point win sealed in the last ten minutes. On the other hand a dominant performance by the AB's sees you lose 46-14. Come back when you make it past the quarter finals
@@Nicolas-lg6ys and yet the lad with over 100 caps seems to think so ... oh well guess your just another bent up Kiwi who's probably never played the game now maybe if you did actually know shit you'd know we play you next year IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY but hey like I said... real fan me arse!
Not enough credit being given to Ireland here. And that’s from an England fan. Their line speed, their aggression and their slick attack was just too good. We know how good you guys are but just give credit where it’s due. Fully expecting Ireland to be the team to beat in the 6Ns
We know you guys will be 40 warriors waiting for us next summer...fresh , aggressive and drilled ...itll be a great series...down to the wire ..congrats Ireland ..
Haha ye as an Irishman I feel we've poked the bear and are going to get an almighty thumping, particularly in that first test, but hopefully I'm wrong and we just get three great games regardless of who wins or loses. Although if all three are as intense as that last one I don't know if that would be a good thing for either of us heading into a world cup.
There are two crucial elements missing from the ALL Blacks at present, 1. A big hard running Blindside flanker (like Liam Squire) that can carry and break defenses and tie up defenders 2. an aggressive defender and ball carrier at 12 (Ma'a Nonu) where do they find those players ?
Tupaea might have made a little bit of difference I'm sick of this Havilli experiment either try Tupaea against a team that can play or try Umanga Jensen or Faiangnuku
@@Me-ex7qg I actually agree with blondie; one half foot forward pass at 26-20 and you could have won the game, physical and mental fatigue taking its toll, been on the road since October, etc, etc. All excuses but all have a large degree of validity. But that raises a question... Why is it that Springbok fans are derided by some Kiwi fans, and I am not excluding you for this, when they use the same, equally valid excuses? We have had a harder year, with a BI Lions series versus your games against Fiji and Tonga, we are fresh back from almost 2 years of no rugby, and we are crucified for losing 2 games to Australia in Australia? Double standards much...?
No no no, who the heck do you think you are? How dare you ask such questions? How dare you poke holes in our excuses? Our boys are fatigued. END. OF. STORY. p.s. and please do not make mention of the Pumas that have been on tour since before the month of June of his year.
@@rowanscott915 HAHAHAHAHA... okay okay, Rowan. Let's stick to the fact, shall we. The Pumas, especially, and the Boks have been on the road the longest this year. The Pumas have never made an excuse of "blah blah blah we are fatigued" despite not being home for almost more than SIX MONTHS!!! You speak of a quarantine as though it happened in Argentina for them. So please, stop it with the BS. The Kiwis are losing and it is okay. All teams go through such a phase. Just accept it and cut the BS! This is professional sport... go catch feelings elsewhereeeee.
@@rowanscott915 Firstly, I am South African (thank God) and not European..... I'd like to mention to you that that the AB's have had nothing but excuses upon getting being beaten by the Boks. The latest excuse, YES EXCUSE, is the over reliance of the Boks on kicking, physicality, and boring rugby. The AB media accused South African Rugby of killing the sport of rugby. In addition to that, nothing is imposed on any team. If anything, the AB's especially wield a lot of power in WR. If the NZ rugby felt it best or had objections, they should have done so. So yes, complaining and citing fatigue as a reason after the fact IS AN EXCUSE. In fact, I dare say this: for a greatest rugby nation on the planet, nd the best team in professional sports history, to be moaning about fatigue is pathetic! Until this year the Boks had not played any rugby since the RWC finals. We lost a few and won BUT NEVER did we make excuses. Furthermore, mind your house. Let us mind our houses. England beat us this weekend, I think that they have some SA-born players in their squad. SO what? Scotland has half of its team and half of its league is SA born... SO WHAT! It is legal and so it is not cheating. WR's legislation does not prohibit the behaviour and or conduct of NH's teams. In closing, I say to you this: World Rugby is a mess at the moment and such it will remain for the foreseeable future. From the refereeing to the constant change in rules of the sport. It is absolutely filthy. But WE MUST CONTINUE PLAYING THE SPORT THAT WE LOVE. Northen hemisphere teams know their place relative to our sides. WE are the kings of this castle. The southern hemisphere lost this weekend, but the facts remain!
Ireland were absolutely brilliant, in many eyes played the perfect game, There intensity, skill and pace on attack and defence. Set piece worked well and the ability to breach the gainline was so good. It made the All black so under pressure on defense which translate to there attack. I might ge slayed for this but I don't think this All Black team are as good as yesteryear. I look at 6 & 7 and are they All Black Quality and maybe I'm wrong comparing them to previous all blacks as MCCaw and Kaino. Am I being unfair? Perhaps but unfortunately that's the standard. Is Ardie thet best No.8 and serious question marks at 12, don'thin Havili is the answer and Lienert Brown best bet at 12 and he got injured. Its good for the game when teams can match and beat all blacks and also beat them in there own way, for far too long teams tried to play there way and it just doesn't work. Nobody is better than him at there game. Ireland played so well and gave an all round rugby display. Question I have is if they were to play the All Blacks again this week would they be able to replicate that kind of performance.
Wow ..you's folks never going to give ANDY FARREL the accolades he deserves ..a man who is RUGBY LEAGUE pedigree having a crack in the world of Union and being successful against folks who have coached majority of their lives coaching Union ...smh
Irishman here , yes we were brilliant but can we back it up in RWC ?? Let's not get ahead of ourselves here . The RWC is what separates the men from the boys !!! The All Blacks will be a different animal in the World Cup but we will surely take alot of confidence from this win and rightly so but let's not get carried away ! Much love everyone 🇨🇮❤
Winning is a habit. The ABs have doing it for years. Took us 108 years to beat them. Now we’ve beaten them three from 5. Same will happen once we make a SF. Guaranteed. Basically it’s a numbers game. Remain patient and determined to improve and it WILL happen.
@@williamwalker3837 Before you do any of that, you need to grow some serious depth. SA beat Wales in the SF because SA had depth, players who dealt with the lower tier games in the pool, so the first choice guys were fresh when they met Wales. If you don't have that kind of B team, then the mental and physical fatigue that they talk about here is just too much of a hurdle.
To get a few things off my chest after being a lifetime All Black fan....they looked fatigued and dis interested...they were initmidated by the Irish just like the Boks can do to a side...there were some major changes not made after half time....their focus was way off and the ABs didnt cope with the big crowd...so some mental challenges as well as coaching and strategic challlenges...we were one try from winning but with all due respect to the Irish they thoroughly deserved their win and the All Blacks will be a much better team next year for their loss....we need to sort the mid field out as a closing statement!
With regards to the 3 NZ players in the Irish team, they are a very important part of the squad. I would say JGP has had the most profound influence on our playing style in this autumn window with his quicker distribution and his subtleties around the edge of the breakdown without necessarily being a breaking threat himself. The mad thing however is he might not be a starter for Leinster and generally hasn't been since his arrival here playing back up to Luke McGrath. James Lowe didn't have a great six nations and his main challenger for the wing slot (Stockdale, try scorer V AB's in 18) has been injured, if circumstances have slightly changed he might not have gotten the chance again. Farrell said he's worked hard in the offseason on his D and has lost a bit of weight which seems to have made a real difference. Finally, Aki has been one of my favourites. Our centre partnerships have been a constant revolving door between himself, Ringrose and Henshaw. Nearly always one of the 3 is injured so rarely has Schmidt or now Farrell had to pick between the three. Ringrose is an out and out 13 so the 12 is between Aki and Henshaw. Henshaw was probably going to be Irish Rugby player of the year (still could get it) off the back of a very good six nations and was a lock for inside centre for the lions. It intense competition for all the places.
Blaming a forward pass of one foot....how sad is that..felt sorry for them...they really couldn't think of an excuse...instead of just saying..." bloody hell boy...what a great Irish performance "
Momentous angling of attack that precisely targeted the AB's points of fragility in defence i.e. Whilst in the event of organising defence, the momentum of attack disrupts the process at the locus of which the defense organisation so occurs. Good Execution from the Irish and Well Done to the AB's for at least keeping the score margin close. God Bless both teams.
Please stop with the “if it wasn’t for they forward pass”!! A) a forward pass is a forward pass, not a try b) Ireland also had a try disallowed (which may have been given in any other game) and c) if it was a try, you still weren’t ahead.
I agree with you, but I also see what they were saying. They weren't complaining that it was called forward, they were bemoaning the fact that their guy passed it forward when that was not necessary. The right pass at that junction might have secured them a Hail Mary win.
Naholo, Milner-Skudder, Ioane, Smith, Dagg ..Lowe was still a pup in 2017 when he left and there was no way he was taking a spot off any of these guys. Good for him though!
I'm an AB's supporter BUT disappointed at the excuses of FATIGUE. These are professionals & this is the modern game. All teams play a lot of rugby, so arguably everyone is fatigued. Ireland have also been on tour since July. out of the Northern hemisphere teams have been playing as well. It's a relative level playing field because these northern tour happen every year.
If Ireland had new Zealand level of skill it would be 50 point game. Plus the new Zealand defence was just insane. As an Irish fan yev nothing to worry about
Isn’t the Internet great? Here I am, a very happy Irishman, living in Mexico, watching a Kiwi TV programme! Well done to the All Black players and fans for your magnanimity in defeat. I’m loving the new Irish offloading approach to playing the game. Andy Farrell has clearly moved on from the attritional approach of Joe Schmidt. Oh and thanks for James Lowe too. ☘️ 😅
Totally agree, schmitds style was clinical, linear and really boring. Great to see Ireland pass the ball with confidence and get out of their comfort zone. Total shake up needed and Farrell is singing the right hymns
New Zealand are still a phenomenal rugby team they will always be phenomenal. We (Ireland just got the right result in the end from our point of view we must aim to get to at least world cup semi final in 2023 and let's build on this great result 🇮🇪
Ireland constantly running dummy lines but not dummy runners. All runners were viable options. The difference is turnovers Ireland turned over ball and retained, AB’s didn’t.
NH teams are generally better coached than in the south..in the south we still have a very free flow chill approach..the NH guys are coached to the tee
@@rowanscott915 ohhhhhhh, Rowan has been damaged in the past, a lot of hurt showing here pal, I suspect a few gay tendencies there as well, with the Wayne and hairdresser business, we’re did that come from dude?… anyway hello from Edinburgh 🏴
Beyond sick of the comments that it doesn't matter who Ireland beat if they can't perform in a WC! Do people actually think the Irish don't know, Ireland haven't performed at any world cup. That doesn't mean we shouldnt support our team or celebrate a good win and a good game. Ireland are playing better than before but have a lot more improvement to make. If we beat the AB's at the world cup but never outside we would be told we can't perform outside of a world cup either. The majority of Irish fans don't think we will win a world cup anytime soon but to perform to our best at a world cup and shut certain supporters up, will do, for now. If people can't see that Ireland are playing a better style and playing for 80+ minutes then get yere eye's checked. Every tier 2 nation has said Ireland's style has improved. If we get beaten 3-0 in the summer tour in NZ, then we get beaten. I just want all 3 games to be very competitive , which always makes for better viewing
Has the All Blacks ever made as many tackles in a game? I thought the AB’s defense was brilliant, our strategy was to keep ball from the AB’s not to give them time to open the holes in our defense, with limited ball they did manage to do that,only for a bad forward pass they would of won from there. But great game and an honor to have the All Blacks in Ireland, they are the standard bearers and the rest has to keep up.
Ireland are a legit side, I think creating depth in the 10 will be key for your future teams. I was proud of my ABs, to be in the lead at the half with only 27% territory, 29% possession and 150 tackles made. I think the start to the 2nd half let us which will be a learning curve for our young players but to still have a chance of winning at the end. Kirwan is right only up from here.
Its a question of dark arts and old lags. To hear Foster bemoaning the fact that Ireland kept slowing the ball down . When Richie Macaw was the master of the dark arts of ball slowing back in the day. Be surprised if Whitelock, Retallick and Moody make it to the next world cup. Did you see Taylor blowing. They have sacrificed fitness fir muscle.
After that loss against Ireland you can see that NZ are the best side in the world..... what a defence. NZ showed the world that they are more than an attacking side, Great respect to Ireland for there win they played amazing... but If we had a world cup now I think NZ would win. Saying that France, Southe Africa, Ireland and England have a lot to offer. Rugby is looking great at the moment. Respect from Wales
So true. I will predict the following. If South Africa can successfully combine their forward dominance with some inventive backline play, then i cant see anyone beating them going forward.
One reason only: the ABs don't have good enough forwards anymore to enforce their game plan. A few sides have dominated them up front this year. And finding themselves more and more under pressure, their backs are now also being shown up. I truly believe the All Blacks currently find themselves in the worst position of all the top tier sides with World Cup only two years down the line.
You're missing something... they have lost a good handful of absolutely incredible players who they have never adequately been able to replace. Carter, McCaw, Smith / Nonu combo... their current selections simply don't come close.
The pundits realise the northern hemisphere players have also been playing since September too? Not to mention lions tours and long pre-seasons. I'm sorry fatigue is a lazy excuse. New Zealand lost. It's as simple as that. As an Englishman myself I have no idea who the best NZ backrow is nor the best backline.
A lot of people are looking at this the wrong way, it not so much that NZ is off the mark, more that world rugby is getting better. Take Ireland, rugby is still a fringe sport and is tiny compared to the 1 million+ people involved in Gaelic sport. It's only in the last 5 or 10 years that top athletes are migrating to Rugby. I see a future where isolated places like NZ will struggle to keep players in a world where big money can be earned in the likes of Europe. Or what will happen when the USA start to take this sport seriously. Things are changing and changing fast!
@@Nicolas-lg6ys different team, we had been worked out by 2019. England gave us a kicking in warm ups before the rwc which also hurt confidence and to be blunt players were out of form that were picked to go to Japan, we slipped into that thing of picking on reputations rather than form. Which past Irish sides have done that’s one thing we needed to get rid of and Farrell finally did that he actually picked the form players and told them go play that offloading in your face aggressive game you love so much and the difference is night and day.
All Black air of invincibility has been smashed to pieces thanks to Ireland and New Zealand is in a state of shock. The French will put the icing on the cake at the weekend. This All Black team is a shadow of previous teams and they sorely miss the likes of Kieran Reid and Richie McCaw. Rugby in Ireland has never been healthier and stronger and we have an abundance of talent at our disposal with top class cover in every position.
@@bodybalanceU2 What do you mean, sure Seamus O'Lowe, Seamus Mc Gibsan Pairc and Bandai Mac Giolla Akini are more Irish than the Irish themselves. We will take the Barretts back as they are Irish, not to mention Sean Fitzpatrick, John Kirwan etc AND ALL THE FOREIGN SAMOAN AND TONGA PLAYERS YE HAVE RECRUITED OVER THE YEARS 🤣. Anyway, sport is a bit of banter with plenty highs and lows and there are more serious things going on in this world of ours. Us Irish have experienced more lows and we are just enjoying our fleeting moment in the sun. Have a good day my NZ friend. 🤗
Irish man here. I think certain people are losing the run of themselves. Even though we dominated mist of the stats, New Zealand still could have won that game. That's howgood that team really is. Having said that, I'll enjoy the win and really can't wait to see what happens next summer with the 3 test tour. If Ireland can somehow knick one win out of the three down there, then we'll be seeing real progression.
"Couldn't have gone better for Ireland, couldn't have gone worse for us" - disagree with that! Ireland while delighted with the win, with all that possession will honestly be disappointed it wasn't over long before that last penalty. How NZ went in at the end of the first half 5 points up is a mystery. Still being in with a sniff of winning right to the end is a testament to how amazing the AB defense was. If it truly 'couldn't have gone worse' NZ should have been on the end of a pummeling.
