Newark & Jersey City's Subway & Light Rail Network Evolution 

I sometimes trace metro maps on my phone as a relaxation thing. I know it sounds weird but I honestly recommend it!

An extension into Bergen County (Fort Lee) is desperately needed, Bergen county hosts 1 million people and growing but has no light rail nor rapid transit directly to Manhattan despite bordering it.

True. The turnout is still visible at the north end of the 9th st. Station. Another well documented plan (never executed) was the extension of the H&M uptown line from 33rd st. to Grand Central Terminal. Unfortunately, that route was effectively blocked off when the NYC 6th Ave. Subway was built. This limits the utility of the system now known as PATH which cannot be extended beyond its current terminal at 32nd st even though it continues to be called 33rd st.

Its better to just walk east from penn or to change trains at times square

@@jerrygennaro7587 not directly part of your comment. But the cost of building the 6th Avenue line lead to the delay of building the second Avenue Line. There is nothing really spectacular about the 6th Avenue line except that West 4th Street connection with the 8th Avenue Line. We already had the Westside IRT and the more superior connected BMT Broadway Line. And on top of that we have the #7 and shuttle for connections to the Eastside. And extended path to at least 57th 6th Avenue Street or Grand Central would have been a game changer without costing much more money. The path uses much smaller cars than today's BMT and IND. And my cousin pointed out that the cars are shorter than the IRT making for even more reduce construction costs How New York City Residence using the system would be up for debate because of the size limitation. But I'm sure with what would be available (7th Avenue and Broadway BMT/IRT) that it wouldn't be such a problem. The 6th Avenue in it currently form does handle a lot of traffic, so it would be somewhat difficult without it, how people would cope had it not been built. But we will have had a full service 2nd Avenue subway instead. And it would have still worked if south of West 4th Street was included in the plans. But managing all this additional train traffic might have been more problematic. However, some of this traffic would have been diverted from 8th into 2nd Avenue anyway. The grand course line could have ran to either 2nd Avenue or 8th Avenue. And the F could have become an express on second avenue with the V now M local. I can't imagine the crazy overcrowding at that 59th Street local station on the IRT. Unless the IND put into their plans of a 57th Street Crosstown instead of the stupid half witted idea to make it 53rd Street, which defeats most transfers possibilities. Look how long it took them to connect Lexington Avenue with the IND? And that Port Authority connection to Times Square is a recent transfer of the 1990s.

It was supposed to also go to Hunters Point Queens New York that would have been interesting to see that it will have given New York a more spread around economy instead of focusing everything in Manhattan

agreed

Seriously!!!!!!!!!

Im commuting to njit lately, it's a great way to get there but it could cover so much more

What about extending the Jersey City light rail into Bayonne?

@@nonenoneonenonenone it already is. 8th St is in Bayonne.

PCC streetcars. Newark ran them for decades, until 2001 and I believe a few are now in service in San Francisco.

I never did.

Tell that to these "politicians".

It the PATH plan comes to fruition there is also going to be a stop at South St in Newark inbetween the NWK Penn and EWR station stops

I thought PATH to EWR was a done deal. The Northen extension has been a long time coming. It would help with the upper Hudson-Lower Bergen county area. Actually the path they are going to use is there already. Back in the late 1800's it ran from Jersey City well up into Upper Bergen County. The stations are still there. One of them is in heart of Tenafly but of course not in use. It would be smart if they could fully extend that old line. Many of those towns in that area of the county have no direct access to a major highway. You can get to them but you are going down many 1-2 lane roads not meant for high traffic.

@@RobertWilke Lots of NIMBY arguments against that :lol:

The people in tenafly don’t want it: they are worried about “undesirables” moving up there. I live in englewood work in jersey city. I would love to take the light rail to work. Englewood, Teaneck really needs this light rail. I guess at this point it’s not happening.

Definitely.

I disagree as a bus line can be changed to any street at any time.

@@nonenoneonenonenone Which is a downside for many.

Brooklyn was almost completely blanketed by buses, cable cars, electric street cars, and elevateds. Almost all gone.

7 is still the internal designation so if they run shuttle buses, you'll see it on the signs.

Demolishing the Els was a major mistake in many cities. NYC would still benefit from the 2nd ave el. They tore it down because a subway was "coming soon". It's been almost a century and we just got a 3 stop line.

Just to the north of Hoboken In the upper Hudson county area there was an extensive trolly car system that ran through 5 of these towns (North Bergen, Union City, West New York, Guttenberg and Weehawken.) It to was run by Public Service just like the ones in JC and Newark. My Great Grand Father was an inspector for the line. He'd have his pocket watch and time the trolly's to make sure they were on schedule. It too fell to the scrapping of the line in favor of buses. It's a mistake we are all still being affected by.

But you've got to understand that the management of Public Service Coordinated Transport was "bought and paid for" by the diesel bus vultures at General Motors. They destroyed the entire statewide network of trolleys and trolley coaches. They even tried to put buses in the Newark City Subway, but the City of Newark forbid it. So they were forced to buy the 30 used PCC cars from Minneapolis in 1953. The Newark City Subway was a subway/surface system with lines that branched out to places like Bloomfield, Orange, West Orange, etc. Public Service destroyed those branches and just retained the subway portion. They should have bought enough PCC cars to run the branches of the entire Newark subway/surface network. Anybody else would have, but they were being bribed by GM with new Cadillacs every year, GM dealerships and cash..They did what was in their best interest.

HBLR kind of filled the void I guess. But it coverage was north and south near the shore. Also I would at least say the EL was more like a NYC line that was operated by Jersey City authority than the present day state run light rail.

You didn't mention that Public Service bought 30 second hand PCC cars from the Twin City Rapid Transit in Minneapolis in 1953. Eleven of those ex-Newark PCC cars are now running in San Francisco. One is running in San Diego. One is in a museum in Minneapolis and others are in trolley museums in Baltimore, Connecticut, Maine, etc.

Some of them did, but they ran on-street south of Pavonia Ave. It isn’t represented the best on the map, but they’re only about a block away from each other.

@@VanishingUnderground Can you do septa next

@@NelvanaFan1971 he has a schedule, I think septa is coming in October

Yeah that's a damn lie, and I'm talking about Service Period. Literally the hand rails on the old NABI's toward the back doors are either duck tapped or just left to hang

That’s not official yet, is it?

Yes, he forgot West Side Avenue.

Most of it is grade or elevated.

We have a light rail. Here in North Jersey, we also have what's called the Path train that takes you from New York and New Jersey, and in south jersey, there's this train that's called Patio and it serves a similar service to the path train.

@@233CFH Don't you mean PATCO?

@@arandomyoutubechannel2940 Indeed I did. It's just autocorrect that messes my comments up sometimes. Thanks!

i don’t think anything has been awarded- just proposed :(

Is the PATH extension to EWR still in the assessment phase? I know they were saying 2026 as a feasible completion year, but that seems like both a ludicrously long time and an optimistic estimate at the same time.

@@jtsholtod.79, port authority agreed for a 10 year capital investment plan back in 2014. And that would give it funding for the project. Nothing has happened since. Apparently they said construction started in 2018 and should take 5 years. Then in 2017 another capital investment plan gave them funding. They say say 2025 is the opening year but as of now and the pandemic, nothing has started

My impression was that the extension to Newark Airport and Elizabeth was cancelled, but, extensions to West Side Avenue in JC and north to Englewood (cut back from Tenafly) were still a go. Did those get the ax?

atm they're focused on light rail extensions, the Gateway Program, and restoring the Lackawanna Cut-Off.

NJ Transit is a statewide transit system and third largest transit system ( Lightrail, commuter rail, and bus) in the country.

Only State transit agency that offers service to all counties@@BTman58. It looks like in the next 5 years will get extension of the HBLR, the Lackawanna Cutoff project extending the M&E commuter rail, and a brand new light rail line connecting Camden and Glassboro NJ. We need a lot more however

They are run by different authorities. When Path meets HBLR it is in a tunnel. HBLR is across the street from the station. In Newark, PATH is on a Viaduct. But Newark Light Rail is in a tunnel.

Correct - The RiverLINE from Camden to Trenton, using diesel light rail cars. A very scenic line along the Delaware River.

It’s going to be included in my Philadelphia video, coming this fall

Miami and San Diego have already been done, and Portland can't be it's own video, it's never had a change since it opened, same with Nashville. Minneapolis is just one line, and it will be with the Light Rail

@@AVeryRandomPerson Will Portland be with light rail then?

Yes owned by Port Authority which is controlled jointly by the states of New York and New Jersey.

Racist? Classist? Most cities (especially New York) were very dangerous in the late 20th century. The only “passion” was not getting murdered! I don’t think if you’re being mugged you really care about the race or economic background of the mugger…

Quite right. Sad to see how cities were so neglected and stigmatized even to this day.

@@lngvly22 maybe do some reading on the topic before commenting... the cities didn't become dangerous out of nowhere. They were products of terrible public planning and racism that seeped into every aspect of urban living

@@jaynordiaz4609 You have the Cuban flag in your profile pic but you must be a liberal…when you don’t agree with something, blame racism 🙄

Doubtful and very short-sighted. I have heard, but not verified, that wheel flange and rail profiles on the rolling stock of the two systems are different. If true, can’t understand why that was done. Railway right-of-way might still exist between JC and Newark’s Ironbound section which are communities with established commercial connections.