Next.js 13… this changes everything 

U will never have to write `import` again... rails PTSD kicking in

​​@@uselessandempty rails is great though

bro u dont even code

Remix users being the Android users in that context.

... One more thing! You've to rewrite everything.

Yeah all these startups and even a bunch of large companies (ex Nvidia) have been copying the Apple keynote format for years. But Vercel ain't Apple, so why not be a little more humble for once?

yeah, don't you just love how companies tell you that you love their products? makes life so much easier, just sit back and consume what'e given 🤷

Yeah it's annoying

The packaging tool war begins....

vite uses golang. Turbopack is probably faster only because it is using rust but at the expense of more complexity in the code. It will be good if they manage to finish it properly

@@EugeneBuvard Vite can switch to turbopack from esbuild though, they uses it because its fast enough for many cases

Evan you said they could add SWC to vite but it results in 58MB more bloat…. Which they don’t want, but react devs, they want the bloat

Evan You (creator of Vite, Vue) is just awesome man.

Agreed,see u at the stake 😉

Underrated comment; truth.

I agree 1000%

Why would you say that? Literally every new solution has taken pieces of the previous solution or the previous solution had a specific use case where it is more advantageous to use than the new solution. We're literally back full circle with server side rendering and trying to keep as much JS out of the client as possible yet we're using pieces of every previous solution to make something FAR superior in terms of DX, UX, security, and performance. In fact, I don't remember the majority of the JS userbase "reverting" back to a previous solution without taking something new with them ever. The JS ecosystem just moves vastly more fast because it is built DIRECTLY on top of open source, it's the only native programming language to the browser (the application that runs the internet and we will only be moving further and further into the web and out of the desktop and localized software), it has a massive amount of free or cheap educational content with a large number of educators being highly successful, etc. etc. There's no other language out there that will ever be able to compete with the sheer quantity of JS developers out there. Most other languages revolve around proprietary code that will never be shared and built on top of along with only having a small fraction of the # of devs that JS has.

Yeah fuck these groundbreaking solutions. Quick question: How many decent-sized web apps have you built with vanilla JS? And how long did it take you?

You can just use remix js

Remix has a way better solution, react router > next router

@@santhosh3374 Have yet to try remix. Will have to give it a try

You can do nested layouts already without Next13

@@nonstopper what’s in your opinion worse? I’m my view seems like the getLayout is actually a better solution because it’s injectable at the component page level so your nested layouts are not tied to the route and it’s children.

thanks bro :')

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Hahaha... this is an epic comment. Yeah... thanks bro :')

Why anyone would go into this mind-numbing field at this point is beyond me.

@@WhatIsThis-zq4hk Wait until you have to work with Salesforce. Literally Torture Chair

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Yo, next 13 is not production ready I think

@@IAmOxidised7525 oh thanks for the info I was carried away by the launch.

Glad I procrastinated on building my next personal site

If it works don't try to improve it

I had made half of my site in next. Got bored of react so switched to astro + svelte lol.

Where is new documentation?

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It’s not AI because that would be unnecessary but vercel already provides codemod scripts for migration in some cases

With the amout of refactoring there's been, there might be a way to make an algorithm that does that

Not to metion that the best thing about using SvelteKit is being able to say you use SvelteKit

I totally agree. I think it's heavily inspired by SvelteKit and Rich Harris that convenient is working at Vercel. But nice to see next going this way.

Now hopefully SvelteKit can start maturing. Especially much needed packages like Sveltekit Auth. Tons of OS projects that are trying to tackle it right now, but there’s no go to yet (for me at least).

@@rawallon I use Sveltekit btw

@@ChrisJaydenBeats lucia-sveltekit is a very promising package in early development

Also on how rust 1.64 and dotnet 7 changes everything

Still slow 🥲

I'd be more thrilled by this tbh

Except it doesn’t tho

Waiting for covering Node.js 18 LTS

License*

@@JorgetePanete both are valid

@@dipanjanghosal1662 No, it depends License is, in UK English, a verb. In US English, it's both noun and verb. Licence is, in UK English, a noun. It doesn't exist in US English

@@StellaEFZ that's what I said. Both are valid. The RU-vid comments section isn't only for US.

@@dipanjanghosal1662 No, they're two different languages, you don't speak japanese while writing portuguese

Literally why I left the field. It’s a nightmare.

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Many things in the video didn't make sense to me. But I don't know react or next. I usually work with Vue and nuxt. Maybe I just never had the problems next had with that frameworks. I don't know.

And really similar to PHP.

@@VictorSamuelMosqueraArtamonov going back to the root but type safe

I think you're talking about PHP 6 years ago.

They stated it took inspiration from SvelteKit, which is also kind of a Vercel product now with Rich Harris working on it and Svelte full-time

@@sleekism It isn't a Vercel product. It's an open-sourced project with zero influence from Vercel. Rich Harris (creator of Svelte) clarified this earilier.

Correction, a *front-end* developer.

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I agree, as long as the changes are there for good once added, I welcome them mostly. Sadly it's quite hard in reality, I mean they released ISR in Next 12 something and already kinda deprecated it in the next (pun intended) major version.

​@@KimSkogsmo I do agree with you, I think that they should've been more consistent to their concepts implemented. But I have to say that this looks like an improvement in the long run. Having all of those concepts like SSR, ISR, ans SSG was quite... overwhelming for people trying to get into it. Nevertheless, they're going to be required for some time for any Next.js developer, but probably going to be totally deprecated in two or three years. As one comment said, I'm in favor of change as long as it is a "good" change.

This ...

Only frontend web dev changes so rapidly

It's bad when it comes to front-end, but even in front-end tons of companies will default to the standards rather than chase the shiny new thing. Outside of that it's much more stable. You might want to reconsider ;)

you don't most projects use something more stable and battle-tested, that will allow to do any request from the customer cause you can't really say: "Hey, this app doesn't work as you wanted, but we are waiting on shitty_useless_after_two_days_framework v.14.5+ to solve this" or "we can't find any developer that knows blazingly_fast_and_two_years_learning_curve++, so we can't hire anyone for 6 months" or "we just need 2,5M $ and two years to rewrite our current project, so we can test out these new and very important (for 1% of people) features"

Thanks for the replies all. Yes, I guess it's easy to watch all these videos and develop the misconception that every project is built in the latest whiz-bang framework. Pleased to hear that devs are focusing on reliability over novelty.

@@ihate4chan Actually, other parts changed even faster. Going from monoliths and MYSQL deployed in my mother's basement to microservices with distributed databases, sagas, event sourcing, event streaming and billion other patterns, hosted on EKS in span of 6 years is not a change at all, I must be dreaming.

Wait that was stoping you? Why? You could have just nested layout components haha

@@Fernando-ry5qt would they have been BLAZINGLY FLAST ™ though?

@@berrywarmer11 you win

New Rust Frameworks™

i belive with that mindset you'll be waiting for a long time and you won't learn anything in the meantime. just start learning something it doesn't matter that it won't be the most new thing in a couple months. don't waste your time like i did best of luck to you

Why would you WANT to join this roller coaster?

@@suri5023 Svelte framework interests me, looks more friendly. // I agree, just dive in into something and see what happens

Just learn Javascript, don't focus on a framework. They'll all make sense if you're comfortable in JS.

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@@weakspirit_ the only time he mentioned it was in the programming iceberg video, but I think it's cool enough to be covered in a video of it's own

Same, except as a 26 years experience dev. You’ll never know it all.

@@meganaut5294 ^yeah kinda feels as if you learn something and by the time you feel comfortable using it ist obsolete ^^ I love being a developer.....

lol I was about to say... i'm out here with 10 years of messing around in web technologies and i feel like every month I see some younglin' come up with a hot new catchy name framework. such is life

pretty impressive to be a developer at only 1.5 years old

@@coconutflour9868 kids these days...

I know Javascript, Python, C++, some Rust, some Go, some Java and some PHP and I'd say that PHP is by far the worst language. No static types whatsoever.

everytime i see a new JS framework released every few months i feel lile shooting myself

@@sneezingcat6221 there are programming jobs outside of web/JS hell.

@@lawrencemanning Like?

@@DoctorSoulis everything from embedded to (desktop) games. I’ve spent the last 25 years of my life programming for a living and don’t (yet) know a thing about JS. I plan to keep it that way for as long as possible. 😊

I much prefer to work on my "mathematical proofs for veryfing computer programs with Coq" than to enter the JS hell.

Svelte takes a GIANT SHIT on all other frameworks.

@@justinsalcedo2678 looks like a keyword dump on a 40-page Indian developer resume.

@@vapeurdepisse lmao so true

@@vapeurdepisse Not gonna lie, it may look like a keywords pool. But it's useful when you don't know where to start from as a beginner

@@justinsalcedo2678 jesus christ my ADHD can't even look at that website for more than 3 seconds.

“Focused roadmap” and JavaScript don’t go together

Web3 is just a buzzword, and this isn’t even Web3

Double equal? Really? Jk

kwanai blaz 😒

I started out my dev journey with Django and soon realised there are very less jobs compared MERN. Spent 6 months learning MERN stack

Full circle i guess

I wish for the vanilla old school but with component system to help reuse "widgets"

@@fltfathin that's what old school copy and paste is for

@@fltfathin try Lit.

My static HTML page is hella fast too lol

Hold on, I'm working on a JS framework for that!

@@ba8e whatever. Just don’t call it “bLaZiNg FaSt”

Good luck on your next job search / job.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail Maslow

Yup. Its the exact reason I switched to Python and now building fullstack projects with Django. The JavaScript eco system is literally hell, you cant blink without a new framework/code breaking update coming out

You are good. Really. The majority of "spa" apps doesn't even need react and all that

django is backend tho

You have the point, haha. But the main difference which is the main problem also, beetwen Django and the JS framework like Next JS, Gatsby, Qwik and so on. It's the purpose. Django, it's straight-forward because we have just the server side to deal with. The JS frameworks have the "good" idea to mix the server side and the client side concerns for the client it's a awsome experience (i guess, maybe...) but for the developers that's a real mess to deal with ^^' Howover, there's also framework JS which not handle the client. render one time and it's over (maybe some API). But now the problem is, who want to code in Javascript (by choice) ^^

If we’re gonna go there then simple html is good enough for most things

bro can u give some channels to learn next js and vercel from

Problems like what david?

@@paradiseexpress3639 problems like you

@@macchiato_1881 David, stop being a doofus and explain yourself