The disrespect for AP has to stop. That man almost broke the all-time rushing record after coming of an ACL and MCL injury that should've ENDED HIS CAREER.
@Mostillist titans led the league in rushing attempts that season and ranked 6th in points allowed on defense while tannehill threw 21 tds to 14 picks. They also made it further in the playoffs with derrick henry than without him. Edit:titans ranked 25th in pass attempts that season
He 100% deserves way worse for lying so much about bountygate. Mr. “I would say if there were bounties because I’m a QB and I care about league safety” can’t stop carrying water for the evil saints org and the government.
Calling Peyton Manning more valuable while showing that both Ladanian Tomlinson and Shaun Alexander rushed for the same number of touchdowns for their teams as he threw, 31. And I’m sure they had less fumbles than he had interceptions.
Peyton had more combined passing and rushing TDs in 06, with 35, and had double the yardage both seasons. Who would you rather have Alexander or Peyton Fucking Manning?
@@beam5655 31 touchdowns in 350 touches or 31 touchdowns in 650? I’m just saying, the QB position wasn’t as valuable as you make it out to be until pretty recently. If you think Phillip Rivers was more valuable to the chargers than LT, you might have more CTE than either of them
@@AGoldenShow LT was not more valuable to the chargers than Peyton was to the Colts. I'm not talking about Rivers. Peyton had DOUBLE the yardage and more TDs.
It's not necessarily comparing one to the other, but thinking of what you could replace them with. Take Shaun Alexander off that Seahawks team, and you could probably get a decent running back (this was the mid 00s, they were everywhere) who puts up 1200 yards and 12 touchdowns. Replacing Peyton Manning with a 'decent' QB is much harder, cause there's generally only 20 reliable QBs in the league at any one time and there's only one or two that can throw for 35 touchdowns and not make lots of mistakes. Most RBs aren't marching you down the field by rushing 12 times in a row. Peyton could pass 12 times in a row and get you a TD. However, saying all of that, record breaking seasons deserve to be rewarded and I have no qualms with either of those players winning over what were pretty standard Manning seasons.
bc the “eye test “ is unbelievably biased, for an easy to see example look at how pat mahomes would get G L A Z E D for tough throws no doubt but the announcers to follow and a narrative to be “we’ve never seen a more gifted QB in the league” while people like Arod and drew exist. the eye test is a test in bias not in contribution to a teams overall success
Based on the definition of the NBA MVP it always goes 1) best story 2) best player on best team 3) actual MVP Points deducted for repeat winners, points given for first time winners Based on that media definition, pretty much every MVP deserved the exact MVPs they got
@@Jiffy0 which is why using MVP's to rank players doesn't mean as much as people think, it's media members voting on storyline/likeability first and foremost. Need to look at every MVP with context
obviously harden isn’t better than lebron james. literally nobody is except for jordan(maybe idk). but, like cmon, harden obviously deserved mvp that year. he lead the rockets to the first seed in the much stronger(at the time) western conference with 65 wins, while lebron only led the cavs to the 4th seed in the much weaker(at the time) eastern conference with 50 wins. also, harden literally had a higher WS and WS/48.
Ehhh, idk, Lawrence Taylor was pretty freaking valuable. Dude was good enough to carry the giants to two super bowls. The guy single handedly made sacks a recorded statistic cause he got so many
Kobe did not get robbed of 2006 MVP is was Dirk. Dirk led the Mavs to 60 wins being the only all star on the team and led the league in WS, WS/48, OWS, PER, OBPM. Was 2nd BPM. 3rd in VORP.
He's only comparing directly with the MVP winner. They are "could've won" MVPs. Kobe could have won that one, even though Barry thinks Lebron should've. So basically could've vs should've, Barry is talking about could've.
I feel like you could have a 4th category for players who deservedly did not win MVP but were good enough to win it nearly any other year like Brees in 2011.
As a saints fan mahomes more than deserved the 2018 mvp. 2006 and 2009 were the Brees he was the best qb, I think LT keeps 06 tho. Barry saying manning should have 06 is absolute blasphemy tho, Brees balled that year and was 1st team AP for a reason
As a Saints fan Mahomes deserved it in 2018. The voters love the QB on the team with the best record, so Brees got the most MVP votes that year, but 2009 he should have won, and I would have voted him over Rodgers in 2011. I would have also gave it to him in 2008.
@taysonjatum2209 Stats don't change team success, D Rose may have had worse averages but he brought his team to the 1st seed despite key players being injured, it's called most valuable player, not best player of the year
@@taysonjatum2209lebron was also on a super team with a second option who put up stats similar to the mvp winner that year despite all that rose still led his team to 60+ wins and the first seed in the east over miami to make it more clear the man LEBRON JAMES himself when asked acknowledged rose deserved mvp this whole rose 2011 nonsense is one of the biggest non arguments in sports right now
Except lebron never beat Drose a single time that season on a team that won the east with 60+ wins. It’s one of the more weak contrarian takes re: mvp robberies. Eager to hear the nfl ones though haha let’s see if running backs are a sticking point
Same some for Savannah. Harden and DRose both deserved those MVPs Harden could arguably have 3 or 4 himself. The Bulls that year were not projected to win as many games at they did and the fact Boozer and I think Noah were injured and still had more wins than the Big 3. If the shoe was on the opposite foot and he was in DRose position you would make that argument 10 times out if 10
Yup and this is my gripe wit vron fans avout 2011 if the roles were reversed and Bron carried a sorry roster to relevance putting up great numbers while doing so onlt to lose the mvp to another player putting up great stats on a super team bron fans would probably still be complaining till this day hell he mentioned harden in 2018 had KD been given that mvp in 2018 over vron lbj fans woyld have rioted
@@johndavis9321right with that logic LeBron shouldn’t win MVPs for the Heat since they’re a superteam. That’s the whole point of having an overpowered team. It brings the best version out of you bc it makes your job at its easiest. If anything all this shows is why LeBron should’ve had less MVPs than he has now
Marshall Faulk put up over 2,000 yards and 26 tds a record at the time in JUST 14 games..if you remember back in that time Marshall Faulk was reffered to the best player in the nfl. Marahall Faulk willed the rams to the playoffs that year. In a must win game in new Orleans he put the team on his back with 236 yards and 3 tds. How is that not mvp?
@@ianstratton there's been so many MVPs in that should've been unanimous that I honestly don't give a shit about whether they were unanimous or not. Shaq's should've been, but so should've some of Wilt's, Kareem's, Bird's, and Jordan's.
Nash completely turned the Suns around from a sub-30 win team into a top Western Conference contender with 60 win seasons, and he was a walking double double on incredible efficiency who would also give you a steal a game. While individual performance is most important, I do still think that team success and impact on winning should factor in for MVP, just less than it actually is. Iverson could score more points than anyone while also stealing the ball more than anyone, but he was also worth 4 turnovers a game and had horrible efficiency on some of the highest usage in NBA history. Both of them were good enough to win MVP, but Shaq was so much more dominant in 2001 than AI than LeBron or Shaq or Kobe were in 2005 over Nash
Not to be a hater, but the second after you called QB the most important player on the field, you talk about Brees' 5000 yards 08 season in which the Saints ended 8-8.
@@machoboys8884 Ok but isn't that kinda better? They get a potentially better draft pick and the outcome is the same. They don't make the playoffs either way.
It's a shame bro usually has solid takes across all sports even if i don't agree with them all but when it comes to lebron all objectivity and logic goes out the window
Barry you've convinced me on a lot of things, but in no universe will you convince me that Derrick Rose didn't deserve the MVP over LeBron James in the 2010-2011 NBA Season.
Rose literally won more games without 2 hall of famers on his squad and 2 starters in Boozer and Noah both missing significant games. There isn’t an argument for Lebron it’s literally just lunacy.
@@shubtakesdubs5395 Dude that team was good because of their defense. In fact those years he was injured the Bulls still managed to be a top 5 team in the east. When LeBron left the Heat missed the playoffs.
Factst this man rose dragged a team with his two best big men hurt for most of the season and his best player being luol deng to 60+ wins and the number one seed in the west and this is my thing with bron fans he is sayin all this about rose's season but we all know if the roles were reversed and they gave the mvp to rose even tho he played on a stacked team while vron carried a trash roster to relevance the argument would be completely different for example if kd got mvp or lebron in 2018 levron fans would have rioted
@@taysonjatum2209while yes those bulls were always good defensively they were only elite and seen as contenders when rose was the engine to the offense the bulls staying competitive after rose's injuries is really more a testament to the east being weak and the emergence of joachim noah and jimmy vutler more than anything also once bro. Left the heat they had to deal with a bunch of injuries if bosh and wade are healthy that heat team is a playoff team in the east
Rose definitely had an MVP-worthy season, but he just so happened to be playing during Prime LeBron's reign of terror over the league. 2011 LeBron averaged 27/8/7 with 2.2 stocks on 51/33/76 or 59 TS% while leading the league in PER for the 4th straight time with 27.3, BPM for the 4th straight time with 8.1, VORP for the 6th straight time with 7.8, as well as leading the NBA in Offensive Win Shares, Total Win Shares, and Win Shares/48 for the 3rd consecutive season and being 3rd in Defensive Win Shares. He was 2nd in points and ppg, 12th in assists and apg, top 10 in steals and spg, 20th in TS%, 16th in Defensive rating, led the league in FG made despite not being top 5 in FG attempts, and was 4th in 2pt FGs despite not even being top 10 in 2pt FG attempts. 2011 Rose averaged 25/4/8 with 1.6 stocks on 45/33/86 or 55 TS% while being 9th in PER, 3rd in BPM, tied with LeBron for the most Offensive BPM, and 2nd in VORP. He was 5th in Win Shares, 6th in Offensive and 8th in Defensive Win Shares, and 10th in Win Shares/48. Rose was also 3rd in FG attempts while being 2nd in FG misses, and also 2nd in Usage (all behind Kobe lol). Rose had a MVP-contending season, but LeBron was still historically great while having his numbers reduced due to learning a new system and no longer needing to will his team to victory (which he still did often in the following years), as well as struggling to decide Leadership with Wade for a good part of the season. Objectively, LeBron was just a far better player than Rose or MVP runner-up Dwight in 2011, and was the greatest in the world. However, what truly won Rose the narrative. Not only did people hate LeBron for the decision and the NBA/NBA fans refuse to believe anyone who has star teammates should never win MVP unlike the NFL and MLB, but by the expectations that they had set and the expectations that had been set for them, they underperformed. 58 wins and struggling during the first half of the season to build team chemistry, leadership, and momentum when the bar was 65+ or even 70 wins just wasn't enough. Rose led a young upstart Bulls who nearly upset the Garnett-less Celtics in 2009 to 62 wins and the 1st Seed, and the "Youngest MVP ever" storyline worked heavily in his favor. I understand and respect why Rose somewhat deservedly won the MVP, but in a revote where the reqs for what an MVP are normalized, LeBron should win.
So Manning deserved it over Faulk because Faulk missed 2 games, but Manning also missed 2 games when he shared mvp with McNair but that doesn’t matter?
This is a goofy take I know, but I genuinely think Brees not getting MVP love was partly height bias. I think because he was shorter and looked a little smaller in his pads, he got some conscious or subconscious side eye from the old school types like Elway who like big, statuesque QBs.
No. As a Saints fan, it's because of Sean Payton. Everyone knew he was great, but because of the pass happy offense he was in, people would constantly discredit his numbers as they assumed the system he was in was boosting his stats. Only after he retired and everyone saw how you couldn't just plug anyone into that offense and have them throw for 5000 yards is when we saw everyone suddenly say how "underrated" Brees was.
@@jamesburgess2kI think it’s a combination of what you said, the historically awful defenses holding his record back, and the fact that the Saints just don’t get much attention from the media even when doing well. As a falcons fan I rate Brees a lot higher than most people and I’m sure most fans of NFC south teams that had to see him twice a year in his prime would as well.
Honorable mention to Jokic not winning last year. Embiid was not better, the stats just weren't there and the discourse around him was mind numbingly dumb. The good news is that Nikola got the last laugh by not shitting his pants in the playoff and getting a ring that Embiid will never earn as the top guy.
Shaq deserves ZERO MVPs. I cannot respect a player with no jumpshot who doesn’t get called for half the fouls he commits. How can you criticize Brady and praise Shaq?
In name only, qbs are more valuable and always will be. In use, the mvp award is more like the best player in the league. Not often, but it does occur where the best player in the league is not a qb, and they deserve to win. That Marshall Faulk season was insane
He purposely ignores than Shaq was playing next to Kobe who averaged 29 points and 2nd team all defense. AI had a mediocre supporting cast to the number 1 seed.
2005 the MVP was KG but due to the T-Wolves not making the playoff by one stinking game he doesn't get the nod even thou he had all the advance metrics and he played all 82 games
The football half of this video is just pure bad takes. It's like you've become one of those casuals who know everything about the qb but don't know sh*t about the other positions.
I don't want to slight Peyton Manning or his incredible 2012 season, but that team won the division and a playoff game with Tim freaking Tebow a whopping 1 year earlier.
Just remember, anytime Barry mentions Brady, he’s going to hate him. And anytime he mentions Lebron it’s all just praise. So take any takes on these 2 players with loads of salt
Speaking of MVP robberies, Rich Gannon shouldn't have won in 2002. Trent Green was easily better than him that year despite going 8-8. Hell, I'd give it to Michael Vick before I'd give it to Rich Gannon. Vick did way more for his team that year than Gannon did.
@@jacoblee579603 Kobe averaged 30 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, was first team all defense, and played all 82 games. Shaq averaged 28 and 11 but played 67 games. 06 was the biggest robbery with Kobe leading the league in scoring with 35,5,5 while being first team all defense and playing 80 games. Why do you think that team barely made the playoffs? Because Lamar Odom was his 2nd best teammate and he averaged 15 points a game while the rest were bums. Kobe led the league in scoring again in 07 averaged 32,6,5 while being first team all defense playing with trash roster of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Luke Walton. It’s a miracle that team even made it to the playoffs in a loaded western conference.
@@vishtakes What was the Lakers record when Shaq was out those 15 games? 5-10! Shaq was the MVP of that team in 03. Stop being a Kobe tard. There was nothing special about Kobe's 06 or 07 seasons. Why should Kobe get the award for being 2 games above .500 and making the 7th seed. You Kobe fans make my points for me, guy shouldn't have any MVPs. Most overrated player in NBA history.
Not in 2020, Aaron Rodgers had 48 TDs and only 5 INT, that’s nearly a 5-1 TD-Int ratio, he had 4,368 passing yards. 113.7 passer rating (highest ever) fuck you mean Brady was robbed😭 Rodgers was better
I don’t even be disagreeing with Barry most of the time. But he does just a good job at making me want to argue with him 😂 idgaf about running backs and got so mad when he said that idek why
True, I do not know how Steve McNair got co MVP in 2003 with Peyton Manning even though Peyton Manning played all of his games while Steve missed two and Peyton also beat Steve McNair twice.
