You're laughing because of this? It wasn't *just* the hairstyle. In management's eyes, he was being unprofessional because he was unwilling to do what was required of him to be on the team, so he was traded. The Blues won that, but it doesn't mean the reason he was traded was ridiculous or stupid.
I believe that John Scott stuff was what happened. I think they wanted the superstars, since those players will sell better. But the fans wanted Scott. And they realized eventually.
I have to say that the Seguin trade was about a lot more than just his missing a team breakfast. He was living it up but I believe the final straw was when he had a fling with Nathan Horton's wife. While very talented he had to go for the betterment of the locker room. Surprised you didn't hit on Hamilton's trade to the Flames. From what I understand stand he forced that trade because he wanted to be on the same team as his brother.
when someone reputable actually says that happened i'll believe it. Morning radio show hosts claiming that someone they know that has "sources" doesn't make something true
Exactly, well said. No different than the Brind’amour trade from Philly, Pronger trade out of Edmonton, etc. And yep, Dougie made a huge fuss because the Flames sent his brother down to the minors, even though Freddie wasn’t NHL material.
Ugh, the "Darkness with Harkness" days. He made Blashill look semi-competent. Red Berenson's name is pronounced "Baron-son", and his nickname was "The Red Baron" ;)
When people talk about Mike Milbury as the "Worst GM in NHL history", they forget about Ned Harkness. Milbuiry was bad, but Harkness was worse. 20 years of Dead Wings hockey was the legacy of Harkness's tenure.
@@Grandtrunk Agree to disagree, Berenson and Unger had similar point production for the limited time Berenson was in Detroit considering how awful Detroit was at the time on top of the 6 goal game Berenson once had in only a NINE MINUTE SPAN which is still an nhl record today. Plus the 30 years of ncaa d1 hockey Berenson coached after his nhl time picking up a couple national championships. The guy was no mediocre player
The John Scott story is fantastic. The way things worked out for him in that whole debacle is hilarious. I can only imagine what was going through Buttman's head as he was handing Scott that big honkin' check.
17 years is a pretty solid career. He’s won every championship but a memorial cup what else does he need to prove? His body is probably beat up playing at that level for so long. At some point you need to think long term.
I don’t know how Maple Leafs fans put up with Harold Ballard after all these years. If Ballard owned any other franchise (except Montreal), the franchise would probably move. Darryl Sittler wasn’t the only Maple Leaf who was treated terribly by Ballard. There aren’t too many videos showing how absolutely awful Ballard was an owner, in which I can say he is the worst owner in (NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL) history. And he wasn’t just horrible when it came to hockey.
As a Flames fan, I was following that whole Hamilton story while it was going on. I think the forgotten reason why he eventually ended up getting traded was that his brother Freddie was on the team, but was a very marginal player, usually a healthy scratch. The Flames ended up waiving Freddie, and after that, Dougie went into a severe funk and his play fell off dramatically. It was very unprofessional, and I think the Flames soured on him at that point. I never heard of anyone being sorry in Flames land when he was traded, and that was even before the trade worked out so well for the Flames (look again at who the Flames got back!). As for Fox, he was at the Flames training camp one year and made it pretty plain he was never going to sign with them. He had his plan all worked out to play his 4 college years, become a free agent and sign with the Rangers. Remember, Fox is from New York. He was only ever going to sign with the Rangers, so the Flames lost nothing by trading him, and in fact got Noah Hanifin, who is pretty good. So, yes there were "Chemistry" issues with Hamilton & the Flames, but it wasn't because of a museum. It was because he quit on the team when his brother was waived.
I agree with all this, except that we (the fans) soured on Hamilton. He is an elite d-man, with offensive numbers comparable or way higher than Hanifin, and better +/-. I have no issue with Hanifin, he is one of our core guys, and I wouldn't give up Lindholm, I think we did win the trade, but after seeing Hamilton play here for a couple seasons, I think he is an exciting player, it's too bad we couldn't have our cake and eat it, too (even if it came with healthy-scratch Freddie), and I am a fan.
@@sadrevolution Hamilton's having a great year this year, but 71 points is way beyond anything he ever did before. He has 51 assists and he never had more than 50 points. He always had the talent to do it but, it seemed, not always the desire. I want to see him do it again next year before I'm convinced this is the player he really is.
@@RRaquello He's had a 40 points in 47 games season and a 42 goals in 55 games season in addition to the 71 point season out of his last 4. he was a +30, 20, and 21 in those seasons. He's been elite overall since leaving Calgary.
How about Bryan Berard. The 21 year old Calder winning defenseman was traded for the 32 year old washed up Felix Potvin because Mike Milbury didn't want him dating his daughter.
There is one case that I know that could also matches the topic of this video. Patrick Roy had a feud with Ronald Corey. Roy wanted to improve stuff in the team with an another approach and Corey wanted to keep it as much traditional as possible. One time, Roy brought new ideas (brought Mario Roberge topic) and he wanted them to be considered. In other hand, Corey wanted to shut him off. Corey knowning that Roy is very close to Mario Roberge as friend but can't trade Roy without causing a turdmoil in Montréal, Corey decided to end Mario Roberge NHL carreer by sending him in the minors to never get recalled back. When Roy cracked in 1996 to get traded soon after to Colorado, it was all plan from the top management to cause that.
It'd be typical for Ballard - after all, it was him who caused Dave Keon to cut any ties with the Leafs organization for 40 years (even long after Ballard was dead). As for Sittler - I think Ballard wasn't happy that Sittler was trying to unionize the players, which for him was a big no-no, so perhaps he hired Imlach to do the evil bidding for him. And we're talking about a guy, who was a cheapskate all the way and also served a prison sentence for tax evasion. Not to mention all the other disturbing scandals under his watch that will make other owners in North America (past or present) like Donald Sterling and Marge Schott blush
Bullshit. The core of that team went as far as they could go. They could.t skate with the Canadians earlier and couldn't take on the bourgening Islanders later. Changes were just, necessary and inevitable.....
Garry Unger was a British hockey star too. After 2 years in retirement, he came first to Dundee then to Peterborough... Cambridgeshire. His sophomore British season had him get 238 points... in 30 games. Oh, and he was approaching 40YO.
Dougie Hamilton was traded because he disappeared after the last game of the season, skipped black garbage bag day where players clean out their stalls and have their exit interviews. Dougie's brother (Freddie) was traded from the Flames earlier in the season, one can easily speculate he was butthurt about this, since the Flames had brought in Freddie as part of the package to lure Dougie to Calgary.
Back in around 1985 I went to a game I think was called usfl but it failed, guess there trying it again, I don't think it'll last, I went to a game from Boston, I forget the team name, but they played at nickerson field, the Boston university field, was it Boston breakers maybe, wasn't that good.
Seguin was traded cuz he slept with Nathan Horton's wife and Horton promised the Bruins he wouldn't leave if seguin was gone. The bruins were lied to by Horton as he eventually left for Columbus!
Thanks for bringing up Gary Unger. You’re were spot on with the facts you brought up about him. He’s beloved in St. Louis, but nobody knows who he is elsewhere.
I know him and I'm not in St. Louis. I was a big Red Wings fan in those days, and it was obvious he would be the future of that team. Then they went and hired that puckered sphincter, Ned Harkness. He was a coach for a college team, Cornell. He had never coached professional athletes not grown men. He single-handedly destroyed that franchise, and they wouldn't recover until Mike Ilitch bough the team and along came Stevie Y. I was happy to see Unger get his due in St. Louis and always followed his career.
Why would you trade mcdavid tho he is a valuable asset plus it would take longer to trade a player for a big Mac instead of just going to McDonald’s and buying one?
@@idontgivetkachuk But then you would only be able to eat like 1/10 of those Big Macs because of you’re health, but no matter the fact those many Big Macs would be cool…
I love these old stories and your channel. ...just wanna share this story. I live in the interior mountains of British Columbia, ex hockey player and avid golfer. In the mid 90's I met a dude named Dunc Wilson (didn't know who he was at the time) we golfed alot and played small money games on the coarse. Months later I found out he played 10 years in the NHL as a goalie playing for many teams from 70 -80 and told me many stories....trying to make a long story short he told me he was traded from the rangers in 76 for admitting to smoking weed . He told me he didn't care much for the rangers then but loved all the access to the best golf courses it provided back then.
You know how I know that the Hamilton rumour is fake? Because absolutely nobody in their right mind is choosing the Glenbow museum over a night out in Calgary
Gary Unger was a huge fan favorite in Detroit and we were so pissed when he was traded to STL. The coach for Detroit was Harkness, a college coach from Cornell. So out of his element, he was referred to as Darkness With Harkness. So inept! The owner was Bruce Norris who is still regarded as the worst owner in NHL history. Dark dark years! Crap g.m, even crappier coach , and a human cesspool of an owner
Nice to see Garry Unger still has hair, may not be red. I liked him in the alumni game when he played as a Red Wing! I always liked his long hair. Trading him was the beginning of the "Dead Wing Era".
And getting back Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin? I'd make that trade any time. Hamilton is a stiff. Saw it again this year in New Jersey. Adam Fox made it clear he'd never sign with the Flames. they had to trade him for what they could get, and did pretty well.
Imlach's second coming was disastrous. Ballard went along as Imlach ripped the heart out of a team that a few years earlier was on its way. Not surprisingly,when Imlach fell ill yet again(it happened when he was running the show in the 60s),Ballard pretended to care. In the end,Ballard threw him in the trash too.
Ballard and Imlach were both assholes and best chums. But after the Leafs started to play worse and worse as the 70s waned into the 80s, Ballard’s demands to Imlach of trading anyone good for peanuts caught up, and Imlach became the scapegoat. Imlach’s 3rd jammer was Ballard’s opportune time to get rid of Punch.
Tony DeAngelo better be on here. How the F does political preferences matter about on ice performance. Not to say I’m for or against what he believes but, to get traded for what you believe in is completely nonsensical.
Seguin was not traded for silly reasons. He was immature and even with his new team never lived up to his potential. He made top "franchise player" money without being one for years.
10:43 that play was incredibly dumb unless he had someone back at the center line.. Would have been a breakaway, probably a goal against from one simple giveaway. Sometimes cool shit isn't the right move. Not a great highlight for a Norris winner in my opinion but hey he makes it work I guess.. Not too familiar with this guy but if he makes a lot of plays like that, and they don't go as planned, he can go from the top to the bottom pretty quick.
I thought Kris Draper was going to be mentioned since he was traded to Detroit from Winnipeg for $1, which is a really good deal yet not a ridiculous reason.
Rumour had it at the time that Sami Salo was traded for jumping out of the way of a shot in a game. He was traded to the Vancouver Canucks not long after.
Day 4 of asking for an oilers bust video! Thanks man loved the vids and good luck to the flames in the playoffs, looking forward to a possible battle of alberta series!
The John Scott story reminds of 1983 where Richard Brodeur was Vancouver's sole representative at the all-star game. The weekend before,they acquaired Garrett who was playing in the minors to have an "experienced back-up goalie" Brodeur got hurt with just over a minute remaining in Sat nights and Garrett was meant to be MVP -until Wayne Gretzky got 4 goals
The start of the Leafs downfall started before the MacDonald trade, but that was really the signal of the end. The end that still continues to this day, and an end that turned me from a once diehard, to an anti Leaf fan.
3:06 What most people don’t know? Who? The effort the NHL went through trying to keep Scott out of the game was the most memorable part of the story and one of the major reasons it IS well known.
