As an INTJ I found it funny that I was interested in the first clip, and why he did what he did. It gave information that I found potently useful to me. In the second clip I lost interest very quickly. I felt more like"why are you telling me this, and how is that useful for me to know."
That's interesting. I found the opposite. I am auxiliary Ne, tertiary Si, and I found the first clip sterile and boring. Too rigid. I was much more interested in Adam's setup and hearing what he had to say about individual tools and I liked that he was able to move the whole tool-caddy around and view it from all angles.
As an INFJ, ti dominant over fe I was right there with you. I was totally into the first guy's layout and how he rigged each category. The second one I was vaguely creeped out by :chuckles:
That's interesting. People think of high Si types as very orderly (which they are in some ways), but I also notice that they tend to like a bit of "stuff", a bit of "clutter" around them. There is strong personal attachment to treasured physical objects. They feel comfortable and secure in their Si cave, surrounded by their favourite objects, and have a hard time throwing things away. On the other hand, Ni/Se users seem to be able to part with physical objects much more easily, which would make them well suited to minimalism. Getting rid of clutter isn't the agonising process it is for the Ne/Si user.
@@DGolden247 As an Ni user I enjoy throwing out useless stuff. Too much clutter in the physical realm stresses me. My Si friend on the other hand has an "organized chaos". Just too many things, but neatly organized.
@@DGolden247 From what I can tell, Ni/Se types seem to enjoy reorganising their environment, whereas Ne/Si types find it stressful. That's just my observation. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions :)
Yeah, that’s more about Oe (Se or Ne) vs Oi (Si or Ni). Adam needs more and more freedom and options. That’s his Ne. The INTJ guy’s Ni needs more and more certainty. So he wants to (literally!) nail down the things so they can’t possibly wander away. This is to avoid the Se chaos.
The Ne/Si, if I remember correctly, makes jewellery and so he's likely switching between tools a lot while sitting down and he needs more hand tools for the various crafts he does. Having a movable set up for tools makes more sense. I make jewellery and my tool kit is moveable (more so because I can take it with me so I can craft while at a craft fair). The other guy is using fewer hand tools while standing for construction projects and likely has his hands on them longer and so the board at arm reach level makes sense. I'm Ni/Se and so I don't think the movability is a function of type... it's a function of use/need.
This is your best RU-vid video yet. 100%. This is some real specific contrasts that are super clear and obvious talking about one of the most misunderstood mistypings. Super good!
I broke down the transcript of this video in the open OP Roam Research DB, cleaned it up and linked it up to make it easier to do text oriented learning later. (link in the next comment so the spam filter does't get me)
Mr. 8-Bit Doggo same. I’ve invested a lot of energy into mastering the Human Needs. But I need WAY more practice actually recognizing how they play out in reality
This is one of the best videos yet, I find distinguishing between Ni and Si pretty challenging at an abstract level, but this gave more clarity. I'd really like to see you guys do more cognitive function comparison videos like this. 👌👌
This is brilliant & such a great observation! Ni = organization within the general concept (yes!) Si = organization with personal meaning attached to placement/object of some kind. I always organize from alphabetical or size ratios, I definitely see the Se within the organization tho.
LiSaia Because some tools are antique and have a cool backstory that would be fun to hear about :D Most of the time when we’re talking about the tools it’s not in a super practical setting so talking about the history of a tool would be a fun topic but my dad, being an INTJ, loves his organizational methods xD
@@emmadaily8052 , I'm an INFJ, and I don't see why story behind tools would be ever important, it just doesn't matter. The important part is what they potentialy can be used for and are they good quality tools(easy to use, doing their job properly, easy to maintain, long lasting).
GimmeAspirine Si users don’t really do that for practical importance, although that matters too or otherwise they wouldn’t bother to build up such a liking for tools that don’t work, but the tool becomes personally sentimental to them, especially over a long period of time. I think it’s beneficial when it comes to comfort, like “you know this tool will work for this job because you’ve used this tool for that other job and it worked so well then so it must work now” sort of thing. Also in a broader sense, Si is really good to have when multiple generations are involved. The older generation can impart not only their practical knowledge but also their own culture, backgrounds, and identities into the younger generation, which promotes both easier memorization (the more personal something becomes, the easier it is to remember) and bonding between both generations. This is further beneficial for both because the older generation isn’t forgotten about and the younger generation knows where their family came from and as a result what they themselves are capable of. Having said that, I’m not saying Ni/Se don’t do something similar when it comes to passing down information throughout multiple generations, I’m moreso just extrapolating from my personal experience as an INFP who indulges their Si a bit too much. Also Se is definitely better to have when you don’t want the personal and just need the practical.
🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣 I can’t stop laughing at the pocket knife comments and the look on Shan’s face! I’m in pain!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 And on a serious note...these comparison videos are extremely helpful! Now back to laughing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
this ni/si distinction makes so much sense for me as an INTJ. I am hard to shop for because I don't particularly care about the gift that I get. If it turns out to be not that useful for me, and it'll just collect dust, I will end up tossing it even though I appreciated the gesture. The bit about ni/se putting importance on the layout and concept more than the details is especially relatable. When I was a kid and re-organized the furniture in my bedroom, I would explain how the new layout is more effective than the old, makes the room look bigger, is easier to walk through, etc. But when shopping online I get so frustrated about having to read about the materials used, the quality, what the differences are...its too many options. I just want what will work for me and what will look good, plain and simple.
I think you can also see Ne in the layout too. Think about the first layout with the Ni user. It was stuck in one place and he considered the project finished. (if I need to make something with these tools, I can just bring the projects here). Whereas, Adam Savage's layout is on wheels. So he can jump from one project to another, bouncing in between, and bring all his tools along with him. And Adam talked about experimenting with the tool holder and did not consider the thing finished. Using Ne.
Ti-Ni (as far as I know) and I organize my playlists from fast to slow in case I fall asleep and don’t wanna wake up from a loud ass bang in a song. Most, if not all organizing is done in a subconscious “in case” scenario mindset. I thought my schedule was chaotic but ever since I practiced more introspection from OPS I realized how routinely, rigid, and meticulous I actually am to the point where (surprise, surprise) I’ve overlooked tribe priorities and what matters over what works.
Yessss! I'm ESTP, and this absolutely rings true. All my tools are organized per workflow. The layout used to be pristine, but then my girlfriend happened to my socket wrenches and it was all downhill from there 😒 Great video.
@Tommy Hass I'm consume first and blast last. Not sure whether I'm more sleep or play, but those two are in the middle. Not sure if that answers your question? I'm not very fluent with OP.
@@linyenchin6773 Q: "I still say this psychology stuff is nonsense." A: Yes, scientific approach of typology is nonsense. I really do hope you mean that.
Lawd, I’m so Si! I can definitely go on at length about specific tools, the benefits and differences etc, LOL!! I’m also very particular about my pens and get really disagreeable when I have to use a standard medium ball point pen instead of a finepoint sharpie pen 🤦🏾♀️🤣
Definitely accurate for me about the Ni way of organizing- the overall concept and direction is much more interesting than the individual things being organized
"I can't tell you how many times this has saved my butt... ..I use this *'maybe' once a year."* 😂 PS. *He has phuqn plastic phorks in the top of his TOOL container.* 😂😂😂 That about sums it up!
Just gonna mention this: If you use it every or every other year, it can still have saved your butt many times. Sounds like a wonderful niche-tool to me.
Oh wow. Once again confirming my Ni/Se functions. I don’t care about a story behind the tools. In fact, sentimentalities behind an object make me roll my eyes so hard. Depending on the objects in question, I organize by -category- art, movies, books- some categories may have subcategories but ultimately will be organized within their categorical area. safety (heavy/light/avoid possible accidents which could cause more work in the future that I don’t want to deal with) ease of access -if it’s part of something I have a specific order of use for, I may organize it a bit in order of the use- whatever I find easiest... and also aesthetically appealing for me as well (‘-‘ )lol so (color/ size/ or just way it fits together) while minimizing space used to maximize available space.
Which test did you take? Did you study the functions? Cause I was typed INFJ by a psychologist and their computer tests and I do the same but love the stories behind objects
Hm, the problem with this comparison is that in the 1. clip the guy was all by himself alone and only talking to a camera and in the 2. clip the guy wasn’t all by himself alone he had company and didn’t just talked to a camera. It makes sense that the 1. guy didn’t go into details about each individual tool because he had no real person to share this talk with. The 2. guy on the other hand had a person to share this talk with in real life. I think it’s obvious that is not as much fun talking into an empty space as it is talking to another person. The viewers aren’t there to listen to him talking to himself for minutes it makes sense for him to stick to the actual important stuff like the layout. And I also think it makes sense that when you’re accompanied by someone you’re more likely to talk about details of each individual tool because that’s what you do after you understood the basic layout.
Omg! Great video! My ISTJ friend is this way about Lego. If you get him excited about showing his Lego collection he will go into detail about individual pieces and how they came from certain sets. Like I got this dog from this set and I got this garbage can from this set. His grandma who regretably past away was even worse. Once she spent 10 minutes talking about a mall that existed 40 years ago and she went into detail of every store that was in the mall and what items she would buy in each store. Like what?
I'm INFJ. I can get excited if I see you're interested to ask me about the old stuff I kept cause they have an emotional value to them but bit as far as telling you from which sets they came. I don't remember that 😅
There is human value to objects. Objects aren’t there just for application. I bet you’d remember buying your first car, you wouldn’t say “it was a car, so what, it drove”. Things have meaning bc we’re human beings.
Spot on. My best friend is an Si user and she talks about her stuff for hours, in detail. Many memories and emotions attached to it. For me, an Ni user, stuff holds no emotional value, it simply serves a function.
Valuing has nothing to do with observers duh. You Ni-converged-conflated observers and deciders. If you are Ni/Fi. You will have alot of emotional value
I find this to be an excellent video because it shows how Ni works with something as concrete as physical organization and tools. It’s very easy to get caught up in purely abstract concepts (ex: time, archetypes, etc.) when describing Ni, which I guess means the cognitive functions comes with their own stereotypes. That’s what confused me in your earlier content when you would explain Ni with seemingly strictly sensory things, but after this video I can see more of what you meant then. Thanks for this!
This is so incredibly enlightening and entertaining. Explains why I find Si processes and details so triggering 🤣 I know what works best for me with planning is looking at the final outcome. I literally cannot plan at all if I don't know where I want to end up. Whereas I've observed my Si friend just goes one thing to the next to the next, not actually knowing where she's going, but gets it done anyway. So I've learned to schedule my year/months/weeks/days backwards: if I want to be in bed at this time, dinner needs to be at this time, prep needs to start at this time etc. If I do it any other I absolutely hate it and I can't stick to it. Idk if that style of scheduling is a typical Ni strategy but I hardcore related to the first workshop, lol. I also despise manuals and I can't win a strategy game until I play one or two rounds through, watching everyone else the whole time and finishing, usually, dead last ... because the instructions are useless for me.
It IS a typical Ni strategy. Ni users are outcome-focused, end-point/ultimate-goal focused while si users are trajectory-focused, procedure/"guidelines"-focused
@@WHYISEVERYHANDLEALREADYTAKEN9 yes, it makes so much sense. My mom is an ESFJ and she absolutely loves manual, rules, and procedures. I cannot stand it!! The words themselves cause a visceral response.
Okay, watching the two ENTPs talking about the pliers is hilarious! OMG I would have left the room halfway through that discussion. Do NOT care about every type of plier on the planet, LOL It actually reminds me of an ISTJ colleague who has to tell me EVERY LITTLE DETAIL of the home projects he's working on. He explained in excruciating detail how he converted his attic into a room, how he built his tool shed, how he painted his garage door, how he planted his flower beds (and how he ordered the plants from various places online and which plants came from where), etc. He's a programmer. It cracks me up. When I see him coming over to my cubicle and start off by saying, "So Aubrey, I got my new surround system set up this weekend. ....... ......... ...... " I know it's going to be a long tedious conversation. LOL
Nico Di Angelo The SF peacock with that Si organisation makes it even funnier. They suddently become the most serious guy on the planet about it. And you see the contrast with how he is habitually and your like what the fuck is the deal about it man 😂. Show me all the part of your snowboard so I know how to break it XD.
ugh dave thankyou for being on youtube ive literally never seen or heard another infp and ive fallen inlove with your channel in a matter of seconds. great content and personalities.
I used to not understand why my ISFJ mom got so upset when I critiqued the super old interior decor at home as a teenager, she literally started to cry because she had so much emotional attachment to it
What function do you think would represent a scenario where someone critiques your interior decor, since you used that instance, and your response is basically, “Ok, cool, die mad about it.”? Or that you don’t mind the criticism, but you just don’t care?
I'm like this but with Fi collections - music, books, movies... That's why the mixed CD/playlist is the ultimate artform. Every song should have at least three personal stories behind it Also, this is one of my favorite videos yet
Oh, regarding playlists, I was in Darling Harbour in Sydney Australia one night. A DJ was playing songs and the music rang across the water. His or her choice of which song to play next was zen-like. It was so perfect that it seemed magical. Incredible taste.
INFJ here who loves Leatherman tools! Quick story--I found a Leatherman in a pouch in my deceased dad's car and kept it. Years later, right before a major trip I was going to take, I needed to use it and inside the pouch were three $50 bills. It had been his emergency car money. I felt like even though my dad was gone, he was still caring for me, and I spent them wisely on my trip. This video made me think of him, thanks!
@@lisaia7877 I was typed INFJby a psychologist and many computer tests there, not the online MBTI test and I would have said the same as the lady who lost her dad about the object she found so don't mock her please. I would lay the objects without attachment but I can have attachment to some of them. I can be happy if you are interested in asking me about the old stuff I kept that has emotional value for me or even tell you about some like: a drawing I made: is it any good guys? Are you proud of me?
@@lisaia7877 this is fucking messed up. Ni users can still have objects they care about. Quit hating on them for sharing a sweet story about their dead dad, Shave themselves say it's the ratio that matters and nothing is absolute
I've always distinguished that Ni was more the organization of ideas and subjects, while Si is more personal and physical organization - Not necessarily that Ni is all that organized.
As a lead Ni, I’m obsessed with organization, but I’m not tidy unless I force it. When I was told to clean my room as a kid, I would organize my closet in the order of the rainbow or my bookshelf alphabetically. I’d leave all my toys and random things covering my floor though. I still find myself doing things like that as an adult. Maybe that will help you understand Ni organization better?
I'm an Ni dom, I can see it without the contrast :) That's also exactly how I talk about it - in categories and what the general idea is rather than focusing on details about a single piece.
Oh shit! A couple of my friends typed me as ISFJ because I am meticulously organized and use systems. The difference is that my systems don’t have sentimental value. Si: “I organize based on my value of individual parts.” Ni: “I organize because it’s functional”
Tommy from One Minute Workbench sounds Ti/Ni in his incredibly detailed reasoning process full of caveats. Ni steps in and makes it succinct (and a dupe for Te). I would also like to note both Si and Fe can form sentimental attachments to inanimate objects, but for different reasons. Si has a history with the object whereas Fe anthropomorphizes the object because it looks like a cute face or something... says the person who can’t throw out a rotting Jack-O-Lantern:)
As an ISFJ with lead Si and auxiliary Fe, this is true. I find it hard getting rid of old stuff because of the memories attached to each of them. I'd somehow find a place to keep them than throw them away. 😂😂😂
As an ENTP this might explain why I never get rid of things. Even tho everything around me is a complete mess, the actual objects are in perfect condition. I never lose things and get mad if someone takes them without asking, even if they ask for permission I am always reluctant to comply. I am like, are you going to take care of it? and I get mad if something happens to it, even if it is something I do not use anymore. I still have clothes I had since high school and they are in perfect condition, even tho I still use them. I only replace my phone if it gets broken, my current phone I have had it for four years now and it looks brand new.
Oh my gosh! When I'm showing someone something at my place, I act just like Adam Savage did in this video. So funny. Just yesterday, my dad stopped by my apartment. He stopped by to show me his new coins in his coin collection and to give me some coin books for my collection. We talked about coin collecting for a while (maybe an hour or two which is a long time for him since he usually doesn't talk much). Then, when that wound down, I found myself showing him all the stuff I'd collected or displayed in a new way since the last time he'd been in my apartment a couple of months ago. I briefly talked about the ways in which they were displayed, but we talked a lot about specific, special items, especially ones that I'd kept from when we both lived on my grandpa's ranch. I think I got about as excited as Adam in the process too because it's so seldom that anyone comes over to my apartment and takes an interest in what I'm interested in that I'm like 'Wow! Someone actually cares about this besides me? Cool!' :)
Guy one and guy two have completely different requirements of a workshop, that is why they show them off differently. Find a si guy who has to create unique things and has more space, then you can compare to Adam. Then find a ni guy that has standard workshop needs and more limited space and see what they do.
Okay... so you've convinced me I'm an Ni... 'cause I'd totally be telling you how I conceptualised the whole thing.. and like the Ni, I'd point out the things I learned by category so that you'd be alerted to why doing it one way might work better than another way. In the Ne/Si video, I'd be feigning interest in the things to be friendly to the Ne/Si. If I talk about things, it's a short conversation. :D
As an ISFJ this is so true. Even down to my pens. I only use a particular pen because of the light shade of the pen and the shape of the tip. It makes my handwriting look better than with other pens. Then again everyone else who has used this pen (especially those who I told about it) have good things to say about it.
I like that loud laughter from ENTJ, happens the same with me no matter who's around, I always laugh the loudest too 😂 I notice it's contagious, especially when listening to introvert's insights.
Awesome! I favour basic categories for tool organization with high adaptability because I don’t know how I’ll actually use them and I know that my collection is incomplete. Thus, adaptability becomes the long term winner, but some degree of in depth organization is good because it could take a long time before the current collection evolves... 😂
Or most used to least used lol My husband and I tried to reorganise our craft room last year and we each have such different styles. He wanted to sort everything into micro categories, whereas I was like "Well I use paint and toothpicks for clay, so they can all go in the same shelf as the clay" And he kept sitting down and talking about things he could do with the objects, projects he'd started but not finished, and who gave him the items... But it's organised now (and I still put paint and toothpicks with clay).
HAHAHAHA this is awesome!! It reminds me of my mom (ISTJ) and me (ENTJ) talking about things such as earrings from Great Gma: Mom will know what date Gma got them, where she wore them or something like that, and I'll retain "these are Great Gmas earrings"...too much!!
People sometimes ask me what guitar I use, and I have to check. The make and other specs don't matter to me at all - what important is that it sounds good and doesn't go out of tune when I bend the strings. It's a solved problem.
LOL 😂 as a Ni savior when a Si person talks I just hear rambling... just stop and get to the point please 😂 Maybe because of this Ni-Se users are better teachers and Ne-Si users are better craftsmen.
I think this video finally did it. I used to pitch this personality theory to all my friends, breaking down their demons and telling them about their subconscious weaknesses, but over the last few months I really started to lose that natural enthusiasm for it because I couldn't figure out my type. A long time ago I thought I was INFP, then it went ENFP, then this last summer I discarded ENFP (due to the fact that me and the other ENFPs I think I know are so outrageously different) and then I went INTJ. Since August I didn't have myself fully convinced that I was INTJ, and in the last week I started to suspect INTP (an idea I discarded for a long time I suppose). It started to fit me more and more and now, seeing this video, I know for a fact that I am Ne/Si as I get waaaaay too into my specific tools that are special to me. One of my things I do with people is show them all the fountain pens that I collect and love individually, and I know to lose one of them would have emotional repercussions specific to that pen. Literally half an hour after this video, I considered what it would mean for me to have Ti/ demon Fe, and I started having a series of flashbacks to points in my life when I said some insensitive shit and offended people, not because I meant to put them down, but because I simply just didn't consider other people's emotional needs. It was a subconscious assumption and those little pits I got myself into really stuck with me for much longer than they should have. I would think that this 'Si showing these specific things' extends to your other functions, so INTPs would love to share this Idea/Concept/Framework that really works for them, whereas an INFJ or maybe an ISTP (someone with Ni/Se instead) would be less about the specific idea and more about their journey organizing those ideas within them. Anyway, thank you for this video. It singlehandedly managed to make a lot of this personality theory that I was iffy about make so much more sense. It's a huge relief to know that this last year and a half of watching these videos is finally paying off
I just watched a video of a guy building a cabin and he talked about restoring his grandfathers saw and then showed himself doing it. I couldn’t stand it and fast forwarded till he got back to building.
Your Videos were so much better in the past. You showed stuff, you explained stuff. In this you two just sit there and ramble about a topic. As much as I like you too just watching a video, in the past the Videos were way more 'on the point'.
Leo They were discussing it “on point”. Dave even emphasised “you’ve got to see the video twice”’for proper understanding. Not every data should be spoon fed, if you know what I mean?
@@mindabobis7601 "Dave even emphasised “you’ve got to see the video twice”’for proper understanding." - that is the opposite of 'getting to the point'? This is just subjective, you can see it differently. But in my opinion the videos were way more informative in the past. "Not every data should be spoon fed, if you know what I mean?" - tbh I think it's really stupid to argue like that here. Should getting information be hard on purpose? If you can explain something easily, why not "spoon feed" it to people? I really don't get that philosophie.
@@mindabobis7601 I CAN see your points, but I disagree with some of them, so i answered. Was that wrong? (I thought at least on this channel one could discuss things neutrally)
tho i already know that "Si considers literal objects, situations, people, and sensations and gives them personal meaning. Ni looks at possibilities and patterns in those things" this is the first time that i understand what that really means.
Looks great to use, horrific to set up. I would have a nightmare of a time keeping it orderly. This was a great illustration, I am much more like Adam. This gave me a good example that I am lead Ne, demon Si.
As an Ne auxiliary (Si tertiary, obviously), I don’t like it when people “declutter” my stuff. They’re not cluttered in the first place. They’ll organize themselves once I’m done working with all of them.
