God, I feel so bad for Ari, She doesn't deserve this relationship, Ari needs to be protected at all cost. Edit check my other clip: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-laDPPMmq6ZM.htmlsi=yopJf534iqu2o0sk ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uLsQNkvRTZw.htmlsi=MyYfPYdCM5PoSqr2
Yeah but Jecka has a point, too: when have any of us EVER opened up to someone we didn't know that well in a situation like this and not have it overshadowed by how awkward it is to the point our argument is dulled out?
@@tuckernutterHonestly in a situation like this (someone in a relationship going through abuse that they don’t know about) it’s hard to be honest about it even when you’re close to them. Maybe this is a “didn’t ask” kind of moment but alas. My best friend (now my partner!) used to be trapped in a horrible abusive relationship through all four years of college. Not physically, thankfully, but very much so mentally. Manipulation and gaslighting, yelling, isolating from friends, all the nine yards. It didn’t help that my partner is on the spectrum and struggles to understand when people are taking advantage of them. Towards the end of the relationship I was one of the few friends they had left. Everybody knew their situation, but no one could say anything. Especially since my partner would always talk about how their partner was the best thing that’s ever happened to them, and how they wanted to get married and buy property together after college. I had to be the one to tell them, but I had to do so gradually. Because people who are in love are often like talking to a brick wall. Try and do it all at once and they probably won’t listen.
@@MemeKnightArtorias I can understand what you mean, if you go in full force with concrete leverage it can just create a bigger divide between you and your friend when they defend their abuser
I've seen people call Nicole an "icon" because of her comebacks and it worries me. I mean there's nothing wrong with consuming media where the mc is an asshole, but it becomes a problem when you start to idolize that asshole. You can be entertained and enjoy watching a character without liking who they are personally like Bojack or Walter white
i mean tbh theres also nothing wrong with liking villians/antagonists/shitty characters cuz that can also be an appealing factor, but if u reennact nicoles actions u severely lack media literacy
Honestly Id be pissed too if i was jecka in this route because now she knows the only person she likes hanging out with is an abuser and i wouldnt wanna deal with that shit
Jesus The fact that the two options of Nicole and Ari is so sad because Nicole is the problem. Ari comes out of the closet just so that Nicole push her back inside
Not really. In the reject Ari ending its really on Ari and I actually felt bad for Nicole in that ending. Ari literally blackmails her into dating her in that ending and she even confessed that she wanted Nicole to abuse her, like girl 😭
Ari doesn't blackmail her. That requires knowledge and intent. Nicole explicitly states in the ending that she needs to keep up the act and keep ari from figuring out she's faking till graduation
@@janehrahan5116 still, Ari is basically forcing her. Literally Nicole rejected her first and then Ari talks about how she’d like to be abused by Nicole. Ari is not dumb enough to think Nicole likes her back after being rejected and then all of a sudden getting in a relationship with that same person.
@@nerdyweeb1184 You underestimate how much someone in love is willing to self delude. Ari absolutely would believe they bonded or something over it. Ari is just ignorant of the truth of the seccond ending. If anything its one of the best ones, they break up right before college and they both move on. The arson is insured, and unlike the actual relationship nicole isn't gonna push that one to breaking point and ruin women for ari. (nicole won't be fine but the entire point is the ptsd/depression causes her to make poor decisions so she has no happy endings)
@@janehrahan5116 well still I only feel bad for Ari in the Nicole chooses to date her first ending. In the second ending I don’t really feel bad for her due to her ignorance. That’s where my point stands.
Jecka is severely under-estimating Ari's options. Most of the girls who go to this school are at least a little bit into girls, including Jecka herself. She makes out with girls at pride parades and only turned down being abusive lesbians with Nicolle because Nicolle would be the abuser. So why wouldn't Jecka be open to someone who is pretty like Nicolle but less scary?
@@lanAdraHrepuS If Kelly stopped being homophobic, then yes. But short of that, probably not. Edit: tbh, I just assumed that homophobia was the reason that Kelly said "Its not love. Its only lust." I can't prove that definitively.
To address your point about Jecka severely underestimating Ari's options, it's not so much that she's doing that, more than the fact that she's pointing out that Ari doesn't have a lot of heteroromantic options in the school, at least that's the impression I got. Jecka for example, kisses girls at pride parades, but to her it's more of a "Wow, this is a fun and empowering thing to do with my fellow girls," rather than, "I want to be in a relationship with girls." Jecka doesn't find herself full-on feeling sexual attraction for girls (at least from what the signs indicate), and no signs (yet) of romantic attraction either. Ari on the other hand, DOES feel both sexual AND romantic attraction towards girls, meaning that her options would be limited because not many of the school residents would actually want to go out with her, even if they wouldn't mind having an impulsive, in the spur of the moment make-out session. Take Kelly for example, who expressed in the "Date Ari" route the thrill of hooking up with other girls; however, when asked if she'd want to take it all the way, Kelly responds with a resounding "No," claiming that she plans on marrying a rich dude. So yea, while Kelly is not against hooking up with a girl (especially considering her extremely high libido), she's romantically interested in men.
@@sonicsenryaku6205 I don't remember that part with Kelly. But, her homophobia does still rule her out as a viable option for Ari. But like I said, Jecka would have been fine with being abusive sexed up lesbians if she got to be the abuser. So why wouldn't she get with Ari if she could? We know that Emily and Ari both want a girlfriend to do a suicide pact. So they would work together just fine, by their own standards that is.
@@Sewblon Wait; Kelly is Homophobic?? Didn’t she press Nicole for thinking she was being homophobic to Ari in one of the routes? And the route I was referring to Kelly’s admission that she wants to marry a rich man was in the “date Ari” route. Anyway, I know in one route she tries to adopt religion into her life as a way to fight off her super-high sexual drive, but for the most part, Kelly is presented in the Re-up as being accepting of LGBTQ
She didn't got abused in other endings. From outside she had a fetishized view on it but once she actually experienced it took a toll on her. Granted text message you get after this ending is drunk Ari sending a hate/love message so she is kinda messed up.
It's kind of scary to think that Elsie Lovelock (Nicole's Voice actress) used to be the voice for Charlie in Hazbin Hotel back when the pilot came out. Especially considering how blunt and monotone her delivery is most of the time in this game. It doesn't sound like the same person at all.
Nicole isn’t only the worst girlfriend. She’s also the worst girl in this novel, at least for as a real person, she made kyler and her father suicide for her. The sad thing is girls like Nicole and the rest of them exist IRL, maybe except for the drugs part but still
I have a parent that took their life but heres how I see it: Kylar can't even read Dr Suess and joins the Straight Club (homophobe) and burns down Ari's house in one route so no sympathy from me, and as far as I know we know ziltch about Nicole's dad but when you have a basement dwelling p*do for a son then decide that your daughter whose finally happy and normal before the start of the game is the reason you're taking your life then he's probably worse than Nicole if not a crucial element to her developing sociopathy so yeah he's not a good person either and the only time I'd call their s*icide selfish (for a fictional character). At least my parent had the decency not to leave a note blaming anyone.
The worst part about everything is that Nicole is a product of her environment, yet she lacks the self awareness to stop being a complete asshole. But yeah moving as much as she has in her life fucks you up, going through step dad's like changing tires because her mom can't seem to find a good partner. Also don't forget that her mom's default response to when she does anything out of line is screaming at Nicole, her brother is most definitely serving on her like whenever they are home together, and we'll her dad killed himself and just blamed it on Nicole. Like she has trauma stacked on top of trauma decorated with more trauma, and is then placed into what has to be the worst school she could have ended up at with a pedo gym teacher, a pedo counselor, a white nationalist principal, filled with students who are at least just as fucked up as her and is likely never ever sober through the length of the runtime of the novel. Like I don't really blame Nicole for being as much of a sociopath as she is, this girl is basically held together with drugs and detachment from her own humanity. If she had a better family that could actually see how fucked up she is they could actually help if it wasn't the family she has. There is no way anyone could process everything she goes through on their own and be a good person afterwards.
I guess the purpose here was to show that Nicole is in fact a bad person in the bluntest way possible. The developer said everyone here is supposed to be a a$shole but due to her circumstances, most people will end up sympathizing with Nicole.
She always crosses a line, that's what makes it funny. She's always this abusive, it shouldn't change just because she is doing this to her girlfriend rather than random people.
Yeah but what's good abt these games is that almost all of the unjustified shit nicole does goes back to bite her in the ass, like losing jecka's friendship at the end
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 didn't they have a whole fight or smth one time where it ended with "I'LL SPIT IN YOUR MOUTH" "I'LL LIKE IT" & Kelly was also being masochistic? I dunno how they had an abusive relationship like Ari w/ Nicole though-
i saw the cop scene and thought the game would be funny but imo it just wasnt my cup of tea. maybe the reup is good, but the og just seemed like annoying edgy humor and everyone was unbareable. i can see why ppl like it, but i dont
The only time Nicole is close to feeling guilty about something is when girl hormones act up, also those two endings where she thinks about feeling guilty for not feeling guilty.
No, not really. Ari says that in the ending if you break up with her but in the ending where you stick with her she leaves and vows to never be with another woman again b/c she was so traumatized from all the mind games Nicole put her through.
Reposting this from a diff. reply: Fun fact: A majority of domestic abuse lesbians go through is because of men (due to being closeted or other factors). Women in relationships w/ other women, as well as w/ enbies, actually have one of the lowest abuse rates of any relationship category, with only 29% of lesbians reporting domestic abuse from exclusively women, as compared to 29% of heterosexual men (from women) and 35% of heterosexual women (from men). (This discounts bi people from the actual count, but the statistic is 6.4% of bi women reporting women abusing them and roughly 55% reporting men abusing them). Gay men also report a lower-than-average domestic abuse rate at only 26% (not counting closeted relationships). Bi men report higher at 37%, discounting gender. Non-binary people are, unfortunately, excluded from these statistics due to low numbers in the surveyed population at large. Put the lesbophobia down.
@@nullifiedrisksI want to say it's interesting, but considering you start off by saying "lesbians abuse is because of men" I'm inclined to believe your motivations are not in good faith and routed in sexism.
Fun fact: A majority of domestic abuse lesbians go through is because of men (due to being closeted or other factors). Women in relationships w/ other women, as well as w/ enbies, actually have one of the lowest abuse rates of any relationship category, with only 29% of lesbians reporting domestic abuse from exclusively women, as compared to 29% of heterosexual men (from women) and 35% of heterosexual women (from men). (This discounts bi people from the actual count, but the statistic is 6.4% of bi women reporting women abusing them and roughly 55% reporting men abusing them). Gay men also report a lower-than-average domestic abuse rate at only 26% (not counting closeted relationships). Bi men report higher at 37%, discounting gender. Non-binary people are, unfortunately, excluded from these statistics due to low numbers in the surveyed population at large. Put the lesbophobia down, Danny.
I think it's so genius that Jecka is verifiably wrong here. Ari says in one of her endings that she loves getting abused by Nicole and that she wouldn't want it any other way.
ah yes, that makes it ALL RIGHT! protip for normal humans out there: if you LIKE abusing people or be abused its OK, but you need CONSENT first. if you want to have that dinamic, its all GOOD, but you have to comunicate and getting the ok.
@@rapsody230 Nicole: Like whatever! Stop being such a virgin. Just go find some local church to preach in and stop ruining our awesome example of people having like a totally hot abusive relationship. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!
Clark Kent in the period before becoming Superman but after discovering his powers, he's around 20-something and is basically learning to become a superhero while helping people in his hometown of Smallville
To add on to what other people are saying, being a nerd was NOT cool back in the 90's and 2000's If you were in highschool and admitted you still read comic books or watched cartoons, that was a big no-no
@@thegrandtemslayr1384 I think the thing about shows like Smallville and Buffy the Vampire slayer and stuff though is that a lot of teenagers liked them for their attractive actors and actresses. I guess studio executives realized they could sell views if they got someone really hunky to play Clark Kent, which is why Smallville got so popular even though it was considered "uncool" to watch
