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Waited patiently for the past couple covid years to see what each company would come out with. Was totally set on the R5 until Nikon just blew the doors off with the Z9. I’ve got a D850 and some glass so happy I will be staying with Nikon (8k/60fps and rival autofocus = worth the weight … and wait :)
Good news for all the legacy users, you have good choices, and don't have to buy all new lenses!!!! So glad Nikon and Canon have provided that to their customers. It is just not worth it to buy all new glass, unless you are a professional and then there is some ROI to do so.
The FtoZ adapter works great for all your F lenses, but the Silver line Z lenses are Phenomenal. Almost no post processing required...👏👏👏 happy light hunting.
The R5 is rubbish - totally unsupported IBIS module, so it rattles when the camera moves and the unit is powered off. Cheapo card door which creaks when you squeeze the grip. Bloody gap around the bottom of the bayonet mount. Power problems right out of the frikken box, even after 1.5.2 software. Canon R5=Joke. Certainly not $3.8/4K build quality.
As a landscape/astro photographer I think it is best to use f4 lenses. So for me a Nikon z6 shooter that is 14-30 f4 and 24-120 f4. I personally don't ever need higher reach. Then another 2 primes for astro 20mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8. The setup is always light and super useful.
For just landscape and travel, I think the original Z7 would be good (for the Nikon option), because its WAY lighter than the Z9 and you could probably get one from KEH for a fraction of the cost now that the Z72 is out. Its also the same resolution so no image quality loss.
Duncan, yes, I use the Z7 for landscape and product photography, and ocassional wildlife, and it's been great, especially in terms of image quality, i.e., sharpness and detail rendition! And though it's not an "AF demon" like some other systems, obviously for landscapes and small products, that's moot. (Though it's not ideal for things like birds in flight or fast action sports.)
Sony would also have the benefit of lenses like the Tamron 35-150. Pair it with the new PZ 16-35 and you can get away with 2 lenses instead of 3 for landscape. Saves a lot of room, weight, and money
for almost the same total weight, much lesser cost & a little more zoom reach; could also go for the amazing Tamron trinity of 17-28 F2.8, 28-75mm F2.8 G2, and 70-180mm F2.8
You will have to go back to Arcadia after you upgrade the Z9 firmware. The Nikon color space looked better to me than the other two brands. As far as weight, the Z9 has a large battery that will give you an entire day of use, which also gives you the extended grip. Z9 for me!
This summary put me off Nikon, especially when Tony said they couldn't use the Z9 AF for video. Im a hybrid event shooter so good AF is essential as I often don't have the time to manual focus
You could lighten all of these systems for landscape photography by picking F/4 lenses instead of 2.8s. At least until you start doing Astro. I often take my ultra-light Z50 or even Zfc when I'm doing landscapes. The plastic kits lenses are nice and sharp at f/8-11, where you want to be for landscapes and the APSC sensor gives you a little more depth of field than full frame. It blows my mind when I see great landscape photographers switching to medium format where they lose depth of field. This is an interesting series and I'm just nitpicking here. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with using a 2.8 lens for landscape work, it's just not the best way if you want to go for a setup that is the easiest to hike long distances with. Another point to consider, and this is probably why you picked the 2.8 lenses, they are more versatile if you shoot more than just landscapes. This is why, on my full-frame R6, I have the 2.8 24-70 and 70-200 and the f/4 ultrawide. Also, I do little or no astro. I have no idea why I take the time to post a well-thought-out comment. You guys never reply. I guess that's the downside to having over a million subscribers. There is no time for interaction with your viewers. I'm looking forward to the next installment. Thanks.
@@RandyStiefer I like the Z50 for street photography. In my small city, there are not a lot of people on the street so I often use the 50-250 Z DX lens. It has an amazing range and is nice and sharp. In more crowded areas, I use the 16-50 lens or one of many primes like the 28mm you mentioned. I've been experimenting with the inexpensive Viltrox auto-focus primes for Nikon Z DX cameras like the Z50 and the Z fc. I've tested the 23mm 1.4 and the 33mm 1.4. They have some chromatic aberration wide open but otherwise, I've been very happy with them. Next, I'll be testing their 56 f/1.4. I'm pretty excited about using it. I would say it is landscape and street photography that I use my Z50 and Z fc for the most. For sports and wildlife, I usually use my Canon R6.
I think there is a major factor being overlooked here, the overall price for each system + relevant gear. In my estimation, while Sony does have the highest price tag, the body + lenses will be the cheapest overall, followed by the Nikon, and last is the Canon. While the latter has amazing glass, its price tag is prohibitive! They do manufacture affordable glass but it's not even remotely as good, and if you want the best value of your RF purchase, you need those red ring L optics. I also think the Z9 video autofocus issue was overemphasized as when shooting with other cameras (for example, the part where Chelsea was doing Astro shots with the Z9 or when holding it while ducking near the shore) even though the focus missed with whatever body was used, there was no comment on the autofocus capabilities, just saying...
Also battery life is important. As T+C have mentioned in previous videos, they have to carry multiple R5 battery because they don't last and with travel that's a big point. Also, doing astro photography chows battery life. I'm surprised nothing was mentioned.
Tony, seriously, what AF settings were you using to shoot video with the Nikon Z 9? The focus was not good and I'm honestly wondering if you're using the the wrong AF settings or you're doing something else wrong. As I said in another comment in another video, I have a Z 9 and have spoken to others who do as well. We haven't had issues like you are having. You have to be doing something wrong or you have a bad copy. Also, the colors from the Nikon looked the best for sure out of all the cameras. Finally, Chelsea said that the Z 9 viewfinder was the worst, said she could see pixels? haha The Z 9 viewfinder is amazing and I've never seen pixels. Seriously guys, you've got to stop hating on Nikon.
I tried basically every variation of subject tracking modes, but always AF-C with human eye detection (which I needed). It’s definitely a problem; firmware version 2.0 promises to improve it, so I’ll give it another test then. All the clips were color graded. The Z9 has a very low resolution EVF compared to the a1 and depending on the subject and your vision you can definitely see the pixelation.
Also you’ll probably prefer this The Nikon Z9 is better than the Sony a1...in these ways ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--Q-WgHwE3FY.html
All three are perfect cameras, except the Z9 isn't meant for what it's being tested for. The Z7ii would be much better in the test. But you couldn't work with it because the autofocus isn't as good as the R5 and A1. The Z7ii would be over 3000k cheaper than the A1. The money invested in the holiday brings more. All three sensors are on the same level. Go out and take great photos. No one will recognize which camera was taken!
Ahh, but the greatest autofocus is not all that important in landscape photography. One can easily do without the most advanced eye AF as there are no eyes in landscapes.
@@stefan9015 I have the Z9 and the Z7ii... in few situations (few!!!) the Z9 is really a beast... it probably not worth the extra money, even for me, as the Z7ii (and Z7) are incredible good camera... colors and rendering are great... and AF, if not the fastest, is really sharp. No need, and no justification for the Z9 for landscape... Video is another topic ;)
No one will recognize which camera the pictures were taken, but you will recognize which camera you weren't able to take the pictures you wanted to. Whether because of weight, autofocus, ackward menus, weird button layouts/functionalities, sun-glare on screen, battery etc.
Why on earth would you need cutting edge AF for landscape and travel. If you can’t get it done with a Z7ii then maybe find a new hobby. I can do all that and more with my trusty D810 💪🏼
You just got one of the best cameras ever made and you’re already thinking about trading it from a Mark II variant that doesn’t even exist yet? Lol. Do you like photography or do you just like buying gear?
@@NoahStephens Who said I am trading it? IF I would trade, I would most likely trade it only for one of those two cameras I mentioned. I am very happy with my R5 and have taken almost 40k photos already with it. I use it daily.
I’d choose the Nikon for a couple of reasons: 1) I like how a bigger body feels in my hands, 2) having had a D90, D7200, and now a D850 I’m pretty comfortable with the Nikon platform and my familiarity with their menus and functions.
All I care about is the photography, dynamic, sharpness, noise and autofocus to go with my lenses. I don't care about 4k/8k video. Buy a dedicated camcorder if one wants to shoot video.
Personally I use a mix of Sony and MFT. It would have been interesting to see with putting into the comparison the current (gh6-om1) crop of HHHR options. The Sony with the Tamrons is so much lighter and cheaper- especially for landscape i would not go to the a1, a73r is fine.
I have the A1. Shoot sports, but I agree I would choose the Canon. Like the body / controls on the Canon's better. I have had the 1DX and 1DXmkII before. Cheaper, all around great camera. Enjoy.
How were you able to fly a drone in a National Park? Last year I went ultralight at Acadia with my RP and RF 24-105L and PD tripod for hiking which paid off on the Bubble Rock climb. For my set shots working out of my car trunk, the R5 and 15-35/28-70/100-500L got the nod.
I was thinking the same thing and ended up deleting my comment when I saw this one. I understand the rules to be that operating a drone from within the park is prohibited, regardless where the drone is. I could be misinterpreting it though. I would have liked some kind of mention about how the drone was legally used just to not mislead people. But I also tend to be hyper sensitive about things like this.
@@joelwolski ; So many people are hypersensitive and freaked out by the flying cameras. Meanwhile vehicle traffic, humans, global warming, massive forest fires, beetle infestation, etc, etc,are the REAL threats to forests & other lands. It’s like going psycho-Karen on someone because they’re taking pictures of your house from the public sidewalk. Meanwhile your house is on FIRE 😱 📸 🔥
I had Nikon d800e and d850 in 2013-2018, then I moved to Sony a7r4 in 2019-2020. Both systems has own pluses and minuses. Now I am choosing new system for 2023- and think probably it would be canon r5. I like z9 body, but lenses options not enough for me now. Canon looks bettercomplete landscape travel wildlife system.
You guys are always legendary for Camera reviewers. Nikon is winner and king of mirrorless camera. Toy Sony a1 score 89/100 and Nikon Z9 100/100 and check out Eyes af accuracy issue latest Sony Alpha camera and It is terrible! terrible sony eyes af issue. No way animal and bird Eyes af, may be one is sharper among 100 photos. I already sold all sony gears.
Haha “toy Sony” 🤣. I can’t bring myself to buy in or convert until they make a camera that feels like a professional tool. To be fair, the ergonomics have gotten better on Sony, but it’s still not to my liking. I shot Nikon for 20 years (starting on FM2 to ending on F5) before switching to Canon for the 5d, so I am used to that the feel and operation and expect nothing less from Sony
Battery life? When doing astro how do each of their battery compare. When doing general shooting, how do the batteries compare? It's no use saying get the cheapest and then you end up having to fill the difference by buying a butt load of batteries and other accessories that another camera might have built in eg the grip or field monitor (no articulating screen) etc.
Probably all 3 cameras are overkill for landscape. The high price tag comes from their fast burst rates which are not really needed for landscape. So e.g. Z7II would be the better choice over the Z9 for its lightweight, more compact and much cheaper body.
Excellent comparison. I'm late to the party, so you may not see this, but I have almost always had trouble pairing new non-Apple Bluetooth devices to my iPhone. The cure seems to be turning the phone's Bluetooth system off and on again before attempting to pair. The Apple Bluetooth system seems to get jammed up handling all the other stuff, like Airpods, etc. Turning it off and on clears it out. This has worked for me pairing Sony cameras as well as things like Casio watches.
may i say that the Z9 looks super sexy with that 24-70 at 13:42 , has a both industrial, utilitarian and luxurious charm to it similar to old LEICA rangefinders
Tony and Chelsea Norhtop offerring me some reward. Probably they think I am bashing them and calling their lies out because I want to get money/rewards. This is what these 2 do to Nikon. Bash Nikon expecting to extract cash from Nikon to speak good about their gear. Tony and Chelsea Northop... keep your rewards to yourself. I will keep bashing you and calling out your lies and misinformation trying to influence people's purchases and trying to divert them towards purchasing weak, underperforming and ridiculously overpriced Canon gear.
First of all, ypu should have taken Canon's R3 which is the current flagship so that woulf be a fair comparision and second ypu should have Compared the Images Side by Side to pick which is better. Offcourse every system is great but still. I would probably Chose Nikon Z9 as it has the best Still Photography and Wildlife and Travel and Landscapes are so awesome because the Colours and Contrast are comparitibly much more attractive then literally any other system.
Unless you need Mirrorless, mainly a slightly lighter version of a DSLR, hundreds more focus points, more than 24 - 36 MPX, I see no need to buy any of these cameras. Stick to DSLR until these, "current" wonder cameras have got on to the second hand market Don't forget, you will need to not be only cash in your DSLR but also sacrifice your collection of lenses.
Launching, landing and operation of drones is not allowed at Acadia (or any National Park) but technically you can launch outside the park and fly over it, but you are also regulated to visible line of site so you can’t go too far. But a quick text disclaimer would be helpful for people who think they could launch within the park.
I assume that the Northrups got permits for the drone footage because drones aren't allowed in national parks without one. I've visited Acadia twice; I've shot near Sand Beach but not exactly there. I hope to return next year. Fall foliage there is epic! The face/eye AF failure by the Z9 is stunning. I've not seen that anywhere else. By all reports, it's supposedly almost as good as Canon's and Sony's. Maybe a defective unit?
As a life-long Nikon enthusiast, I always felt I was paying a premium for the Nikon brand...marginally better lenses, pricey, always a bit behind in autofocus speed, FPS, so made the switch to a Canon R5 over a year ago. Haven't looked back.
The rules are you can't launch or land in national parks, and it has to stay in line of sight. The fines are pretty nasty though if you do taleoff/land in the park
All Z Bodys have a game changer feature for astro: If you turn on the camera with an Z lens, they will automatically jump to infinity. No manual focusing needed. This makes life so much easier and is a game changer for me! Also the Z9 has a red dislay mode, which helps to keep your eyes used to the darkness. With the ETZ21 adapter you can use all sony lenses on a Z body, like the Sony 14mm f1.8.
Unfortunately I'm one of those people that wanted the best raw image I can have out of camera so its definitely the Z9. I've owned all 3 sets of pro zooms and most of them are sold/gone except my nikon zooms. They're just that good. The new 14-24, 70-200,100-400 from z mount are just absolute killer lens that I would go as far as to say, they're better than RF70-200 in terms of attracting people to simply consider and invest in this entire system. On top ot that my Nikon raw files are always just the best for me. It has the best of both worlds with Canon's color but a bit more vivid and natural to life, and an even cleaner dynamic range than my sony. The only thing nikon needs now is to have 1) the AF and video capabilities to be pass down and streamlined/tailored in lower end bodies from z9, 2)have more prime lens in the z mount, like their F mount 1.4s, introduced into the system. And they're about to take back market shares from Sony and Canon again.
Another wonderful video, informative and just an absolute joy to watch. I have the Z6ii and Nikon glass...If i ever upgraded (why?), I would most probably stay with Nikon.
Maybe the Nikon doesn't belong in this class comparison because of the grip... Maybe add the grip to all systems to make it at least look fair... It seems obvious that the Nikon was built as a sports system first...
If I had to choose between these three cameras, I would probably choose the Nikon Z9 for its built in grip and the ergonomics associated with it. Its features and resolution are a marvelous mixture of very few compromises for me, and the Z9 is really a do-it-all camera in my estimation.
As you have mentioned, there is no wrong choice. But, I am a Sony user. I have invested too much into the Sony system to switch at this point. And, I don't have any compliants with the Sony system to make me comtemplate changing.
Nice review. I agree, we need Anti-Theft built into these premium camera's! I had been keeping my AirTag in my camera bag... nice idea putting it on the camera! I love my R5 with an RF 15-35 f2.8 for landscape and astro. The mult-angle touch screen of the Canon is great when mounted on a tripod shooting directly up into the night sky 😁
If I had to decide on those three cameras for landscape and travel I would pick the Nikon as I like the Nikon colors better. But I would say the Z7ii would be fine for landscape or travel. For that matter the crop sensor Nikons make very good travel cameras.
I’m envious of the Sony’s pixel count and speed but the R5 that I have is more fun to operate-especially with the flippy screen and much easier menu system.
I know, right. I just got back from doing some landscapes involving short hikes with the Z7, 24-200 and 14-30 f4 and thought, "I need to downsize." Especially for travel I'd never lug that much to take photos of a bunch of tourists in my shot. lol
Unless I’m shooting astro or pre-dawn, I prefer to hike with my RP and RF 24-105L, and tour with 16mm, 35mm 85mm macro primes. I own the R3 and R5 but unless i need the low light or dynamic range sensor performance I favor the RP’s portability
Thanks for the great work on this channel! I'm a Sony A1 now, was all Canon until the a7RIII won me over in 2017 (with a little help from the two of you who opened my eyes to the mirrorless world), but I'm really just grateful that there is something out there for all three families of shooters now. There is no doubt that the serious competition will force all three to continue to accelerate their pace of innovation. I mean, just 6 or 7 years ago, who'd have thought we'd ever have cameras capable of maintaining focus on a bird's eye while shutterless-ly delivering 30 distortion-free beautifully sharp 50 MP frames per second? I was worried about Nikon for a while (as I was about Canon back in the mid-twenty-teens) and now that the Z9 is on scene I am delighted now that all three companies are firing on all cylinders and are neck-and-neck with capabilities now. Where I once feared the interchangeable camera lens market was dying on the vine and that innovation would slowly die out, it seems new capabilities are showing up faster than ever. As you and Tony have often discussed, I fervently hope that the two things we see in the leading ILCs next are 1. simple, robust, reliable, intuitive smartphone integration, and 2. computational photography enhancements. It's 2022; it's time!
A fair comparison would have been an A7R4 IV and Z7/ii. Z9 and A1 would be overkill for landscape and travel. You're not shooting fast action so there's no need for top notch AF system. If you're going to review a Z9 and A1, you should compare them with an R3 as these are all the flag ships. Also, unless you're doing back country camping and hiking for a whole day or multi-day, the weight differences are really miniscule.
Guess part of this is the desire to have the best single camera for everything. Canon and Sony seem to be there whereas Nikon gone max but with the chunkier body. I’ve got a Z7 and D500 so R5 is tempting but I like Nikon, guess that makes me a fan boy.
There’s an excellent solution for not having tilt screen. You can use your mobile phone with the Monitor+ app and mount it on top of the camera or you can hold it in your hand and have full control of your camera. You will always have your phone on you. I personally think its an excellent solution. The app works also most exactly like an atmos but without the internal recording. I love it (PS not a sponsored reply 😎)
Which app, the manufacturer's standard app? Chelsea had connection issues with all 3. I must admit that it's seems odd to me. I shoot Canon and I can connect to my Android phone right away, every time! On top of that, I literally never lose connection. I have no idea what T&C are doing wrong, but they've always had connection issues and I haven't had them on 6 Canon cameras.
@@cooloox it’s called Monitor+ but as far as I know it’s only for Sony cameras. I have tried it, you can have all your waveforms, add LUTs etc. it’s a a really advanced monitoring app. So you just get a phone mount that connects on to the top of your camera and use that for vlogging or just use it for what it initially was designed for, monitoring and controlling your Sony camera in a much better way than the standard app
Great real world review. What I appreciate about the R5 is the fact that it’s well laid out, feels good in my hands, and I know I can count on it to just not get in my way when I’m trying something new. Keep up the good work.
True. I traded a d810 and d4s Nikon with a boat of good lenses to get into the ML system. The new cameras are more computers which tend to freeze up at times. As a non pro I am thinking of selling the camera body and the 3 lenses and go back to a Nikon DSLR system. Will have to buy used if I go that route this time.
Thanks Chelsea, another great video. I was wondering if you would consider doing a bag review, especially for women. I’m in the market for one that fits that R5 with 100-500, and accessories. That is built for a womens smaller frame. Not much on the local camera store shelves these days, so in internet analysis phase. Most reviews are geared toward the guys!
I pick the Sony. But I prefer the a7Sii. Its good in lowlight and that opens oppertunities that many people miss. And its cheaper. Even the a7Siii is cheaper.
I have used all 3 and as you say, none are bad cameras and all get the job done. For me versatility is vital so I bought the a1, as I am a Bird and Wildlife shooter so the 30fps and stacked sensor is essential but also the lens options are huge. So it fits any budget from a £100 lens to a 12k g master. Thanks for a great genuine review. Ian (UK)
I choose the R5 for many of the reasons you mention and I would add as a retired person the fully articulating screen is a god-send on my ageing knees . I found the EVF the first I’ve used exceeded my expectations especially for video in daylight coming as I was from the DSLR world, as a result much of the time I have the LCD folded inwards protecting the screen from my face (and glasses) and potential scratches. For travel and looking at the f stops you were using I’d have to say you would find Canons 4L lineup lighter, thats the way I went and significantly easier on the pocket but I fully agree that these and pretty much any camera these days in the right hands is more than capable of turning in decent images . Cheers Chris from NZ
I'm sticking with Canon anyways because of my more or less complete (EF) lens collection. But, it's nice to know that the Canon is holding its own in my specific category of use: travel and landscape. Currently using my trusty old 5Dsr and still getting my shots. But, when the R5 gets out on the second-hand market, it will be nice to have an all-around upgrade that is near top of the line. Edited to add: Outstanding drone shots, bee-tee-dubs!
Correction: the R5 does have GPS, via connection with your smartphone's Canon EOS app. The R5 will pick up geotagging data from your smart phone. This is probably to save battery life, because inboard GPS may normally run even with the camera turned off (like the 7D Mark II) and that could really run down the battery.
i can confirm what John said, I use Sony A7iv, R5, R6, Z6ii, R3 and i use geo taggin on my R5 with my iphone 12; works great. it's really about the final outcome of the image and how easily once can have that ability either inside he body or just outside few feet away; the end result is you "have" the gps coordination in the image.
You can go even lighter and smaller with the Sony if you go with 3rd party glass like Tamron. 17-28 f2.8 is 420 grams and can fit in my jeans pocket. 😎
This is amazing, as you where shooting this video Nikon dropped a firmware update. Two for two on these videos. Can we go for three, it is almost like the camera manufacturers are working against you.🤣
I had the R5 for a year. Sold everything and went with Sony A1. I’ve been extremely happy with my decision. I photograph mostly nature stuffs so I do need that reliable AF from THE ONE! ;)
Great video guys...I am going to stay with Nikon, but the Z9 looks like a beast( to big). Love my z7ii... hopefully the next Nikon model will come with battery grip option. Thanks...looking forward to the next review.
Hi Richard. A question, please...Have you done a comparion of image quality (sharpness/detail rendition, dynamic range) between the Z7 and Z7ll? (I use a Z7 for landscape and small product photography, and while quite pleased with the IQ I obtain, was just wondering if those qualities I mentioned would be improved any, due to the dual processors and maybe updated AF algorithms.) Thank you sir.
@@stevetqp9152 no.....z7ii is the only mirrorless I've used. Last DSLR I had was a D 610. Loving the Nikkor Z glass. Some of the leading landscape photographers use the Z7... wish you good light.
Thanks great review, Can I suggest you add a test item? ie how does each battery cope with 500 shots and 30 minutes of video? Does the battery last or do you need to carry extra.. Cheers
