Nintendo is RUINING Gaming on Emulator 

those millions of TotK downloads were actually me just deleting and redownloading it forever so Nintendo loses $70 each time

Yuzu settled out of court for 2.4 million. At this point there are no worries of a precedent since a precedent requires a judge to make a ruling. Settling out of court is not a ruling, so no precedent.

Putting Yuzu behind a paywall was ballsy. And I really don't know what they expected to happen.

Thinking about how Sony literally used the open source PS1 emulator built by the community for their PlayStation Classic, meanwhile Nintendo is out here ripping down emulators with no mercy. EDIT: Also thinking about Epic Games who sponsored Clone Hero creators when Fortnite Festival came out. And Meta sponsors people who make modding guides for the Quest. If THOSE companies with not the greatest track records can do that, why does Nintendo act like this? Nintendo and Apple act just like Disney used to pre Bob Iger (who sucks also but for different labour related reasons). It's like, no fun allowed. We can only have fun the way they approve.

RIP to citra as well

I put the flash frame in at 2:26 on purpose to throw off the Nintendo police from thinking we actually make good content.

If this precedent is set, wouldn't that put mods for games in a legally questionable area? Because those require copy-written material to run.

Ultimately piracy is illegal so emulating is illegal, companies pay millions on developing games, I’m sure if matt owned Nintendo and spent x amount developing the next big game to only have people manipulating it to make it free he would not be happy

Yuzu Patreon profits raised just when the pirate copy of Zelda Tars of the Kingdom was out, that didnt escape Nintendo´s eyes and investigated further to see what was going on.

Emotions are high, but yuzu messed up here, flew very close to the sun and got burned....

I don't think settlements made out of court count as valid legal precedent. For it to be a precedent it has to be something the court came up with. A deal struck between Yuzu and Nintendo without a court's involvement can't be precedent, because then anybody could just make up any "precedent" they want. Precedent is when there was a prior decision made by the court, the idea is that the legal system should be self consistent when possible and reasonable.

In Japan there is a Anti-bootlegging law that is almost 100 years old at this point. It was made so businesses could get back on their feet after WWII without competition. You can get Jailtime for giving and receiving a tattoo of a licensed character and receiving money for it; It's ridiculously strong. Nintendo owes the existence of it's company and everything it is now to this law so they are very sensitive to this and have since the dawn of their existence enforced that law or attempted to every moment they could.

The biggest problem with Nintendo's claim that they lost potentially millions of sales on Tears of the Kingdom, is that you literally cannot prove that the people who pirated it would have: A) bought the game if they didn't, B) _already_ bought the game and just dumped it on an emulator because again, the switch is incredibly underpowered and people want to play their games on an actual good frame rate. Claiming emulation is crippling their business when they, along with every other game publisher and hardware developer is breaking profit after profit and announcing their most successful years in their entire company history is insane.

They've already settled this whole lawsuit. No more yuzu or citra. Yuzu devs did this to themselves by having the newest builds available behind a paywall before going public and for giving instructions on how to get keys and bypass DRM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The ones who facilitate piracy more than anyone else are companies who restrict video game preservation. Like Nintendo.

Let's be honest. 99% of people who use emulators don't purchase the game. They just download illegal roms and play the game.

Yeah no joke, if Nintendo wins this case, it sets emulation, and video game preservation back a couple of decades at least

An out-of-court settlement that is approved by a district court judge doesn’t set actual legal precedent anywhere, even in the court where the settlement was signed off on. Nintendo can and will point to it and ask that it be considered as such, but if it isn’t argued on the merits in court, and isn’t affirmed by an appellate court decision, it doesn’t serve have anything but persuasive authority that can be ignored by future courts and argued as irrelevant by future parties.

Nintendo is not ruining gaming, people who played ToTK a week before release are the problem

The using a BIOS issue lawsuit had already been done when Sony sued Bleem to death; even though they lost every time. The thing Nintendo got Yuzu on with this lawsuit has to deal with circumventing the encryption keys; which Citra uses as well. I don't think they're able to go after anything else.

In the future any machines built to play Nintendo Switch games will be discontinued and eventually the hardware will fail ... at that point all the physical games you "own" will just be paper-weights. Emulation is needed for those who want to enjoy games of the past but can no longer re-purchase the product.

Nintendo is why we can't have nice things.

nintendo killed the only true 3d 3ds today

Nintendo is the worst. They want you to pay for old games on old tech.

When the video is 1 minute old and people comment about how good the 12 minute video is😂

Nintendo is starting to sound like Ferrari here...

What's the difference of using their "copyrighted key" if you're already using a copy of their game, which is copyrighted material, and that's ok? I mean, I get it, but come on, they're just trying to find a loophole.... It really makes no sense that you would be able to use a copy of the game but not that.

What is the most expensive gaming computer you can buy that puts everything everyone else to shame

I would say that Nintendo and others are doing this because they will do a subscription like service for retro gaming, but I don't know any of the libraries being available to play.

I guarentee you that 90% of all comments on any of those "Nintendo stops emulation" videos don't actually watch the videos and only comment about how shitty Nintendo is, while acting like they have the moral high ground for "not supporting Nintendo" when they still pirate Nintendo games. The fact that Yuzu was behind a paywall is basically suicide for the makers of that emulator. No way around it. They were actively making money off of Nintendo's own brand. So if you still use Yuzu, you're actively supporting software made by thieves, so it doesn't make you look any better than the supposed "anti-consumer practices" you keep discrediting. (I probably expect at least some of you to get mad salty at my comment here and claim I'm some sort of Nintendrone or some other BS, which only proves how ignorant you truly are.)

Palworld should be Nintendo's wake up call

Chillax! Nintendo isn't ruining gaming, They had a reason why they're doing this. Nathaniel set this about the situation, "Having a Patreon to fund an emulator for a console still on the market was a really bad idea. If you're gonna do this stuff, you do it for free" - Nathaniel bandy. He said it on Twitter and a bunch of people are too stupid to even realize it

Austin can't handle the truth flying from Matt! Speak that truth Matt!

Nintendo is right. It's quite disrespectful all of your games are available outside of Switch before they come out. Disrespectful for Nintendo and for who buys the game legitimately

Nintendo sucks so bad...

Sh1t like this is exactly why I pirate everything when it comes to Nintendo.

As of now, Citra also has been shut down as well

Emulators aren't the problem. They never were and never will be. The problem is piracy and YUZU simply screwed up big time. And it is funny how most emulator devs don't seem to worry all that much. The only people who are crying the most about this situation are people who pirate games.

Emulation gave birth to backwards compatibility. Which has been very profitable for major companies like Nintendo. This is a mistake for them

So spend $80 on a game that's dependent on a company server that they can shut down anytime they want. Consumers are stupid. Viva emulation.

Tbh, I moment I heard that people were emulating TOTK before the game even released, due to it being leaked online, I knew this was bound to happen eventually... It also gave Nintendo a basis on which to argue that Yuzu enables piracy (because let's be honest, it does, and a large percentage of people who were emulating switch games didn`t actually own the games). The thing that surprised me the most, Tbh, is that this hadn`t happened sooner, since switch emulators have existed for years, and I would`ld of thought they would go after Yuzu and the other popular switch emulator as soon as early versions came out

Just a minor correction about decryption keys. The keys are not copyrighted. Decryption keys are not copyrightable.* The actual problem is with the DMCA rather than conventional copyright. A decryption key is part of the mechanism to copy protect games, and including the key with Dolphin could make it be considered a circumvention device and forbidden by the DMCA. At least that is the legal argument that is used. A settlement can never be a precedent. Nintendo is just as afraid of a precedent as emulator developers are (because they don't know what it would end up being). *(When you think about it, there are problems with the idea of decryption keys being copyrighted. The big thing is that they are supposed to be secret, and that is supposed to be their protection. Copyright is to protect things that are public, not secret. Also, decryption keys don't meet the length and artistic value minimum criteria to be copyrightable.)

Keep in mind the creators of Yuzu also created Citra which also was taken down

(Insert 5 straight minutes of swearing here) you Nintendo!

In regard to content, this is how it works in the United States: When you purchase a physical or digital copy of anything, you purchase the rights to have access to the data stored within the medium. You can do whatever you want with this, producing copies for personal use and modifying it if you so desire; however, there is one caveat-no reselling the product and if you modified it before reselling, you must pay royalties to the original producer if possible. By definition, owning a digital copy of the game, owning access to it on a server, or owning a physical copy is ownership of these rights. A console is merely a medium from which to play these games-but the data is yours. You can take this data and use it in an emulator should you choose to do so.

Legally binding precedent doesn't occur at the trial court level, it is only created when an appellate court publishes a decision. Trial court and nonpublished appellate court decisions are not controlling law.

As gabe said, "piracy happens because of a service issue "

What Yuzu did wrong is that they were selling early access builds of Yuzu that played Tears of the Kingdom both before and at launch of Tears of the Kingdom. In other words the only way to play TotK on Yuzu at the time was to give them 5 dollars. So basically Yuzu was profiting off of people who wanted to pirate TotK. That is why Nintendo went after them and why Nintendo possible had a case against them. This is also why Ryujinx is safe and every other emulators are safe. It's worth noting that Ryujinx actually ran TotK before Yuzu was able to, yet they were not targeted. Yuzu got targeted because the creators were being stupid about how they ran things. I always hated that they locked away their latest updates behind a paywall, I feel like it goes against the principles of open source emulation. Their decision to get more easy money with that paywall bit them in the ass and they were forced to shut down. All other emulators are not greedy like the creators of Yuzu, so they should be safe.

At first I agreed. BUTTTTTTTT I was playing splatoon and realized there are player unrealistically good. It made no sense. I looked up splatoon cheater. And guess what? It's been a problem. This would make sense why they'd want to stop it. It makes the game unenjoyable even players have an advantage over you due to cheating/hacking

So: what if I make an application that has multiple functionalities (so it doesn't require the keys "to function" because it can do other things without keys)... Would that fix it? 🧐

Hell if they made PC ports of Nintendo games maybe less people would pitate

No joke…I just witnessed a commercial interruption for Splatoon 3’s DLC at 8:10. 😂🤣🤦‍♀️

can Nintendo actually prove just how much they have lost from Switch games piracy if its as bad as the PSP and Vita

This isn't copyright protection, this is full blown anti competitive practices

The thing is about emulators is they have a bit of a grey area when it comes to legality there’s legal emulation. Basically if you pay for it and you have the licensing to do so, and then there’s illegal emulators, which is basically without the license or permission. And my home country. They are a bit tighter with illegal emulators, but there isn’t really much the law is going to do about the illegal stuff unless you are caught white for example, on Twitch on screen actively using a illegal emulator and then law-enforcement might do something it’s not like with the US where as long as you own a physical legitimate copy of a game, you can pirate all you want. No it’s not like that all it’s more like You can use emulators all you want as long as it’s a licensed unapproved by the original company for that game and to pay for it. But when it comes to emulating consoles and games that are no longer on sale and are out of license, you can basically do what you like, but there are like some restrictions . But as for Nintendo switch games being on PC, the concept is perfectly legal, it’s a matter of how you go about doing it, and if you have the licensing to do so, so legally speaking in my home country, Nintendo would be 100% within their legal rate to sue in my home country. However, if it was an older console that was no longer profitable for Nintendo, like for example Wii U as long as you legally buy the games to then make a copy of them to emulate them on PC… it would be still be kind of illegal because of like piracy, but there isn’t really anything the law is going to do about it unless of course you’re stupid enough to live stream, like the whole process on twitch or something or you get found out because you’ve been streaming the games or something.

Come on now. Not only Nintendo is being cheated for this but also the people who bought the games. Players bought the games for $50 to $70 only for some to be able to play it for free. Just because emulation hasn't been dealt with in the past doesn't mean companies will simply keep on allowing it. Nintendo is just different. They actually do something to protect their products.

what about handheld like anbernic and retro pocket when include the rom on the device is that illegal too, even that device now can play some switch game

8:24 I think they forgot Dolphin, which is a wii and gamecube emulator. Nintendo teamed up with valve and went crazy with Dolphin

I refuse to support Nintendo financially any longer.

I am going to download Yuzu and Citra, set them up, and feed the emulators some (pirated) games, and emulate.

Nintendo pretending to be against scalpers and delaying Switch 2, meanwhile letting people scalp old hardware to play their old ass games they don't sell anymore, because they don't want you to play on an emulator. Can't make this shit up.

Nice Genny shirt! The brewery is up the road from me, and we probably printed that shirt at my job

Yuzu tried to sell keys to each user for access. It was not a free emulator, but a paid for profit one. The developers from Nintendo have rights to their systems property and games.

All my homies hate Nintendo!

Rightfully done on Nintendo's end, Yuzu's Discord was filled by illegal roms that got offered by the devs. so yeah Developers shot themselves in the foot, like a bunch of idiots.

Nintebdi might actually be the biggest babies in the corporate world. They just make me regret ever owning a switch.

To pirate a game it has to be worth something first.. Just Ignore Nintendo, then black list them.. No company is rich enough to last forever no matter how big hey are.. So what If Nintendo wants to go bankrupt? Then let them.. Without eyes on their products they will die like countless brands before them, It just might take longer.. Switch was made with hardware that was borderline obsolete, when they started development, don't look at what they claim, look at what they do.. The bad guys of world war two put up a invincible appearance before they imploded.. Making yourself look strong while you are in reality weak will break you, as one video game protagonist said, "those who make themselves hard, make themselves brittle...."

The biggest issue is it’s a current gen console and the emulation not only doesn’t suck, but is a BETTER experience than the official hardware. If it wasn’t as good an experience then they wouldn’t care as much. If it was an older console then again they wouldn’t care as much. We’ve seen both those things hold true for decades. But the second it seems like potentially a threat to current sales it gets people pulling out the ban hammer.

Last Nintendo product I’ll ever buy. Life is too short to support unethical, lazy companies.

This feel like buying a copy of a DVD/BluRay where I have to watch FBI copyright warning which I can't skip despite the fact I could download a copy of the same movie which doesn't have that 'feature'. Why do we have to watch these warnings over and over for things we've paid for? We're being told not to pirate things when we have already paid for them and unfortunately the rest of the world gets stuck with them because US law says so (I'm in the UK btw and used to use Napster but also bought loads of CD's)

Let em know Matt.

I buy my games all physically, but this makes it so easy to dislike them because we know they are prone to taking down their shops and cutting off access to games, so emulators are the only viable way to play many titles in the long run. They're so anti-consumer. :I

Guess modding games is off the table now too then? It requires copyrighted code to even exist.

Well it takes just one person to reverse engineer the last version of yuzu and develop their own version

Lesson learned: only build emulators that play pre-decrypted roms. In fact, Yuzu and Dolphin could have both been built to do that, it's super easy, there is no technological reason why not. In fact, it's easier, "no code" is always simpler than writing code to do something. The reason that Yuzu required decryption keys is because it was supposed to _make piracy harder._ Switch ROMS are all encrypted, so you need decryption keys from a real console to play them, this is intended to add an extra step for pirates. Alternatively, emulators could trivially just run roms that have been decrypted ahead of time with some other, unrelated tool. Then all the roms on the internet would be distributed decrypted, and pirates would be able to just download and run, no keys required, super easy. The rom site people would have done the circumvention before posting. Nintendo's recent string of nonsense strongly implies that option two, the _easier piracy_ route is much more legally safe for emulator devs. They can just require that you circumvent the DRM ahead of time before it ever touches the emulator and then Nintendo can't claim the emulator circumvents DRM anymore. Software compatibility layers are completely, totally, 100% legal, you can even _charge_ for tools that do so. Circumventing DRM is illegal under the DMCA, and that is the grounds Nintendo has been suing everyone over lately.

There is another really good Switch emulator available anyway. Also like Mat said since the source code is out, there is going to be many new ones.

I have owned and in my possession 9 nintendo switches and downloaded yuzu and I own every switch game save for a few. What money or sale did Nintendo lose from me?

Yuzu goes away, Fuzu appears 😂

There are a lot of wrong sites where they don't actually have the Nintendo ROMs

Maybe if they would stop freaking, having their Hardware be miles behind everything else Where even new games run at 22 FPS Back then we understood and we accepted it. Now there is no excuse they wait almost 6 to 8 years for a switch 2 that we needed before a switch OLED? F them

Does Nintendo have the power to ban all downloads around the world, if so try and make Chinese ROM makers stop. Ha Ha!

Yuzu rolling over like they did is an insult to every person that donated to the team. You let us down yuzu.

really shut down an emulator when they shut down the 3ds eshop? evil.

This could kill the whole retro community if precedent is set 😞

Someone get Harvey Spector on the phone.

If software needs key to work that’s copyrighted I don’t see issue with anyone going after them. Not the popular take here but just how I feel about it. Back to playing Zelda at 4k…have a good day

Website is not down cause they are having to report any downloads that take place while they shutdown, please use a VPN when online.

Simple enough to make a law stating that all games and console software can be copied and edited with no restrictions, 5 years after production of that console has stopped. At that point, developers and console makers aren't making money on the sale of physical games anyway and once online services for a console shut down, they aren't making money on digital versions either.

I thought the Windows sticker over the Apple logo was a nice emulation statement.

0:35 Nice lisp. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hold that L. Yuzu = RIP. Palworld is next.

To say they won't care if it was the Wii emulator...you forget they also shut down the 3DS one as well I think the name is Citra.

I agree with Matt 3:05

there's obviously so many issues with this but Matt brings up a great point on their games working better on emulation then there own hardware as well sa people willing to pay for better hardware both Sony and xbox do bs to but Nintendo is next level bs

Maybe post an update on this? Yuzu definitely was aiding pirating.

they should just sell iso to PC players or just make a PC port now i don't know if they could sue moders for making PC mods for their game

why did you censor matt i wanted to get my daily beef in

I loved emulation but tbf i only used to play old game , fan translation game, hack game or region lock game. Using yuzu while Nintendo still active for me is too greedy. You loved Nintendo games you pay to play it. If yuzu project release when switch isn't active anymore then i think its ok

It’s like every game company is ruining some part of the industry.

Yuzu telemetry info of users to another server wasnt from yuzu. Shadow practice. Always compile your shit.

The one benefit is that it seems the creators of yuzu won’t be held personally liable. The company will likely just go bankrupt and they are left fine.