Nintendo NERFED Bagging in Wave 6... | Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 

I dont even play this game but your commentary and the fact you are clearly having a grand old time playing this game is just so refreshing and wholesome. Love your videos :)

Speaking of bagging, you know a shock is coming when you have a Bullet Bill behind a golden mushroom.

If you ever mention bagging around shortcat you will enter a 5 minute unskippable cutscene where shortcat lectures you about literally every single intricacy about bagging

On one hand, yeah, bagging requires knowing how far back you can get away with being and how to take shortcuts and time shit, and the comebacks are nice. On the other, it really is hard to resist being all, “Come on! It’s a RACE! A RACE! Have you ever heard of ‘em?!”

12:25 might be the most insane trick ive ever seen 😂 you literally kicked in to a pool shot and knocked them both off the map

When I saw everyone over-reacting over the bagging nerf I though I was the one going insane. It was pretty oubvious that they were nerfing stopping at item boxes, not bagging as a whole. Like, just go slowly and stay in the back instead of stopping/going backwards lol

I'm more of a fan of this new bagging strategy than sitting on one item set all day. Also, congrats on hitting 200k❤

So what they nerfed was not bagging, but item chaining by stopping.

Shortcat is biased towards bagging because he is Canadian and they drink milk out of bags

1:44 We may not have gotten an official yellowbrick and Shortcat collab but seeing him in shortcat’s lobby is good enough for me!

I kinda found another bullet extension. On N64 Choco Mountain, use your Bullet right after the last item set. I found this on accident. (Totally not with the help of custom items, i would never!😅)

Congrats on 200k Shortcat!!! I really really love your videos, and you’re what inspired me to finally give making videos a try too! 😊 so thank you!

What gave bagging a bad look was when no one was moving forward at first item set and nintendo removed exactly that. They know how to balance their game it seems...

Love the amount of long form videos we’re getting from this update

i like this change tbh. im a frontrunner at heart and hate the idea of bagging (it is a race after all). old bagging just felt lame, im trying my hardest, using ideal racing lines, etc., and someone can beat me because they camped the first item spawn for 30 seconds to get a bullet and a shock? doesnt feel right. now, bagging feels less like cheese and more like a valid strategy. instead of just rolling for OP items, you stick to the back of the pack as sort of a gamble that you'll be able to hit the right shortcuts with the items you get to make a comeback, while dodging items along the way.

I do find it interesting that this bagging nerf decreases the average number of shocks per race on the notorious bagging tracks cuz less good items get cycled.

I think the only bad thing about this change is getting used to not using all three triple mushrooms into item boxes you just used since you'll probably end up pulling a green or something in its place.

What if you do the stopping and reversing way before the item set so that by the time you reach the item set, you’re not technically stopped or reversed, you’re just going while being behind so you’ll get good items?🤔

“Whoops i got heated there” that was like the most chill way of being heated only something shortcat could do.

9:53 He is playing versus StarVtuber❤❤❤(for the ones who dont know is a very famous spanish speaking vtuber)

Maybe Peachette has a smaller hurtbox than the other characters with those stats? Or maybe it's because she's a dlc character who is still top tier?

DK mountain has so few mushroom spots you have to use the mushroom whenever there is a large turn or a straight. Which might make it good but not in a regular sense because you are always going to be either be doing shortcuts or boosting. There is 0 down time if you use this method

that point about frontrunning on cheeseland is brilliant! getting first off a frontrun on cheeseland is just as lucky as getting a first off bagging on (for example) waluigi pinball, but understanding that nuance requires experience that noobs just don't have yet. very well said shortcat.

200k subscribers 🎉 I started watching you at around 30 - 40k subs, and now you have 200k! I love your videos, your commentary is awesome and your tutorials are awesome!

Here's an idea to nerf bagging, just make all the items disappear once you passed them (it disappears for you and not the others behind the item boxes) and then bring them back next lap

The nerf to baggin is more noticeable when you start reversing immediately at the start of a race until you hit item boxes. I used to do that when playing with family, so I noticed the change right away with the update. And I never did this for bagging itself, I actually never knew or thought about it being a thing. I just did it for an extra challenge when playing locally with friends or family since we always played with CPU difficulty on Easy or Normal.

I actually think bagging is in a pretty decent spot right now. Think of how many times you're in 1st and see a blue shell then slam on the brakes to let 2nd place pass. That's the essence of bagging. Getting hit from 3rd to 5th place and saying, "Screw this," and intentionally dropping to 9th is a perfectly valid strategy to me. What I hated was everyone stopping to cycle items until they got bullets, and it seems like that's exactly the aspect that's been nerfed.

Wait a minute, I just remebered Nintendo removes videos for copyright infringement. I'm impressed that your videos haven't been taken down yet.

people criticise bagging because "the point of a race is to go as fast as possible," but i dont think that way. the point of a race is to get to the finish line before everyone else while still abiding the rules. if going slower for a period of time is advantageous to that goal and if going fast all the time is disadvantageous in some scenarios, then bagging is a totally valid strategy.

I think ideally the game would be designed such that bagging isn't viable. There shouldn't be "bagging" tracks and "frontrunning" tracks. The incentive should always be to get in the lead.

I understand that it’s a viable strategy and requires skill, but bagging outside of teamed modes (where it’s extremely optimal and how you play teams) has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s a race. Race! I’m personally all for Nintendo taking real action against bagging

Congrats at 200k subs shortcat u deserve it!

So couple questions here on bagging I feel like the video didn't cover. Not sure if you felt it was worth it or not or if it's just too technically complicated but here goes: 1) What happens if you get hit in font of an item box you didn't slow down for. Do you still get hit with the nerf? What about if you get nailed on top of the item boxes and grab 2 while in the middle of a recovery? 2) Does bagging still work as it used to if you hit a different or 2 different item boxes after you slow down and speed burst through the item set? Do the odds get better if you aim for different boxes after you have slowed down or reversed if you hit different boxes? Or it is just the same odds all around? 3) Do these new nerfs only work for lower place values? Or could you abuse this new system in first place to potentially bag to avoid a coin?

These videos have become an unexpected source of comfort for me

I made an appearance on race 1😁

Best Bagging Tracks (my opinion) 1. Cheese Land 2. Dry Dry Desert 3. Mario Circuit 3 4. Riverside Park 5. GBA Mario Circuit 6. Yoshi's Circuit 7. Snow Land 8. Sunset Wilds 9. Kalmari Desert 10. Mario Kart Stadium

Someone suggested to me on my last comment to play on regionals to have more variety of players with my low 1300 rank. What I learned is strategy and execution matters a lot. For example, I got destroyed on lap 1 in Cheese Land, then got good itens on lap 2, but saved a star and 3 mushrooms for lap 3. I got first because I did all the cheese land shortcut and beat 30k players With my first position at the start of the next race, I decided to front run. I got third because the 30k players are more skilled to make better lines and take more riskier shortcut. Even being on a good bagging track, the best option to me was maintaining my 3rd place. Concluding, what happens to make front running and bagging important is how annoying the middle pack is. I know some players who hate mario kart 8 because "it's too item based" , but I think what they really wanted to say is that being in the middle pack is the worst feeling ever, and I agree with that. Mario kart 7 and 8 and 8DX(after playing 10 hours, I think 8DX wave 4 onwards is very different from 8 vanilla) are the only games I played online. However, I remember that the middle pack in 7 isn't very annoying, maybe because having less player in a match.

As someone who has been waiting for an update like this for a long time, I can really appreciate the fact that despite the nerf, bagging is still a viable strategy. I much prefer it in this state.

I remember when i first tried bagging, i SUCKED and was very fixed on running, but ur vids helped me find out HOW to bag. Thx Shortcat, love ur vids!!!!

i love ur videos shortcat i like how you speak nonstop even during races and dont get distracted... mk8d god....

Shortcat is the only Mario Kart RU-vidr I watch and I’ve been playing for a long time, keep up the good work 🎉

So for the boomerang throws at 13:58... you threw it once to get rid of a red shell behind you, and then you threw it a second time at the end of the race. But it never returned. And that has happened to me. Twice. I have no idea why it happens and I can't replicate it, because of this I'm certain it's a new bug.

My favorite part has to be how he stays in an item set and spams triple mushroom only to get a green shell or a banana but he still keeps the commentary going

honestly i love front running its just so much more fun to me

I've always hated the "why not just drive the race" argument people make. it's people who don't understand the game telling other people that they are wrong for enjoying something differently "you're not allowed to have fun how you want to, you need to have fun how i want to!"

I like how the tone of his voice never changed and he finished with *sigh* got heated there 😂😂😂 love the content

I think a chart showing every track, and where it falls on the bagging/frontrunning spectrum would be super cool

Old bagging was definitly game breaker and made the race not fun at all, new patch makes bagging viable while still having to race normally and play smart placement essentially making it harder than before but not worse

I love bagging in all his ways, every part is beautiful

Likely the patch just takes into account how long you've been accelerating before you touched the item block, just don't accelerate at all at the start of the map and then speed into a block instead of waiting for it to spawn at the block. ... Just tested it and it works.

i never really hear anyone talk about mario kart so in depth. it's kinda off-putting, but in a cool way.

This is a really good video, thank you for doing this. I think your stance on bagging has been pretty clear from your videos, so I assume people got the wrong idea from your shorts. I was anti-bagging at the start too, but after actually trying it out as you suggested, I've realized that it's so essential for making comebacks, or just securing an early lead. I'm still not sure how effective this nerf will turn out to be, but it's a good change nonetheless. Looking forward to the future of this game!

Even if the bagging is nerfed you just have to plan your bagging location better to avoid running into the trigger for the worst item pull. So all this update solves is those problem tracks where everyone is competing for last place right as the race starts which is an awful experience.

Nerfing bagging was a really good decision while annoying its also a very good and balanced changed overall

Your commentary gives a lot of life to the gameplay. It's clear that you enjoy this game way too much, just like the rest of us. On that note, a suggestion for a "playing with max (stat)" video: Traction. Baby Peach/Baby Daisy with Tanuki Kart, Monster Tyres and either Flower or Cloud Glider is honesty kind of great on tracks like Neo Bowser City and GBA Ice Land. You could even swap in GLA Tyres for the best combined Handling/Traction spread in the game.

I been watching your channel since wave 5 and I decided to use my siblings switch to play online and I got to 2130 vr in a few days!

Good, this game is fun but there's just too many try hards that forget this is a kid's game

Mariokart but you play as a noob , that means : no thinking about your items just use them, not doing hard stuff like DK summit gap cut or mushroom gorge gap jump and most important don’t play with a good combo just play the one that looks the best Edit: Congrats for 200K 🎉

Nintendo couid soft nerf bagging by adding more mid tier defense items like the mega mushroom (It makes you invincible to all but stars and bullets, while lightning only wears off the effect). They could also make triple bananas stack behind you like in 64 instead of rotating to ensure a defense from the rear.

Shortcat, You should try this combo: Morton on the Varmint Bike with Roller Wheels and Cloud Parachute. It's surprisingly good and pretty fun to play with.

Short cat defends bagging for 27 minutes and 2 seconds

2:05 "funky kong has a boomerang" 😄 "f**king kong has a boomerang" 💀

I love both of your channels. The way you explain things is just so helpful and something that nobody else does.

you claim that bagging is fair, and yet I need a scapegoat for why I lose. checkmate, shortcat

i was just looking for a competitive mk8d guide but now i’m obsessed with watching shortcat videos lol. i only really keep up with competitive smash ultimate but it’s very fascinating to watch a pro mario kart player and learning more about the meta and strategies. love the commentary on these videos, keep it up

Best combo (IMO at 5000) is peachette - mr Scooty, roller, paper glider

baggers are the same type of people to not put the shopping carts back where they belong

I never understood why bagging was so hated. If we assume in a room where everyone has perfect skill, the people in the middle should never move up and down spots while the people in losing and first will be able to keep their spots because everyone in the middle would be too busy fighting each other.

is also for nerfing the search of shock when you´re playing wars

I still wished that R.O.B. made it to Wave 6, I loved using it on DS

200k! Congrats shortcat. I just recently started watching your stuff I’m really enjoying the live commentary!

I think bagging doesnt really work well after the patch, but i think it's still fully possible to play in the back and capitalising with a comeback

9:59 Don't wanna exagerrate things but shortcat seems kinda angry that he is thought of as the "bagging guy" and some ppl critique him saying that bagging takes no skill. This can be assumed because he repeatedly has mentioned in his videos that bagging takes skill (which is true) and supports his opinion with facts. But i gotta say, noone is the "bagging guy". The strategy is used when necessary by shortcat as he has mentioned is an other video that he generally prefers frontrunning over bagging for better results.

honestly nintendo nerfing bagging in wave 6 is just giving me an excuse to get better at frontrunning

Shortcat: "I don't know how to play Piranha Plant Cove. Also Shortcat: *Gets 2nd*

You know that Funky Kong has a blue peach parasol while Pauline doesn’t have a red one.

20:45 „I am so high right now thanks to the mushroom“ Shortcat, 2023

Thank you for posting this during my lunch break at school, it honestly really makes my day. Congrats on 200k🎉!

From the wave six patch notes: "Made it so that you can’t acquire strong items when taking an Item Box by stopping or driving in reverse, or taking an Item Box that is in same location multiple times during a race" So basically, you CAN still chain your items, you just have have to grab your items, and do a full 360 loop through the item sets (without stopping), rather than reversing, and you then you have to grab another box you haven't touched yet to chain. This is harder than it was before, and it's not practical in most situations, but it is possible, i tested it out and it worked

I have never played a single mario or nintendo game in my life but i love these videos. Keep up the bagging👍👍

7:52 Peachette is adorable so I can see her becoming a fan favorite plus her being the most viable character based on her stats. Also Congrats on 200K!

I think the best is to front run besides on dry dry dessert and maybe cheeseland and when its not going well go to bagging but no chaining because that gives horrible items

Congrats on 200k subscribers! ❤❤

Bagging is a tactical retreat

This dude doesn't miss, every video is so good

Video Idea? Maybe now that every single track is out you could make a tier list ranking every track.

fuxking banger as usual, your commentary is always so fun i dont get bored

From my own testings and findings: If you stop before the first item set on most bagging tracks and let the distance to players grow for 5-8sec. try to grab two different item boxes and don't back into them! Hover around 12-9th place chaining your items till the middle of lap two on most bagging tracks (so far for me bagging has worked out best on mario circuit 3, royal raceway, yohsi valley and sky garden I uploaded a short vid on my channel earlier I just stitched raw clips together and got amazing luck to say the least!) (my avarage lobby vr is usually anywhere from 8-11k) Edit: CONGRATULATIONS FOR 200K! Amazing to see you smash these milestones man! Just keep em videos coming! 😁

Thank god they nerfed bagging before i had to learn how to do it

Yooooo is that yellowbrik at 1:43😂😂 unsuspected collab

bro had star + bullet and got shocked

I miss bagging.

I believe people confuse "Bagging" and "Smuggling" which one in completely luck based and the other is completely skill based

Congrats on 200k subs! You completely deserve it!

Congratulations on 200k!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Rooting for your channel's growth!! 📈 Always looking forward to your videos ❤ At this point, a video for how to be a pro bagger is coming soon isn't it 😂 though that'd probably come after a tracks guide compilation 😆

The boomerang probably got destroyed before it returned preventing you from using it again (it has happend to me and ive seen it happen to others where a person blocked a boomerang with a boomerang of their own that still had throws left and they destroyed each other)

10:24 game thinks he's in first

Jperm, when are you coming back? Please come back!!

The only time i really start by bagging is when i know i need a mushroom for a shortcut right at the beginning of a map, especially on snow land and we all know why

I think the difference with bagging now is that you actually have to DRIVE FORWARDS. You can intentionally drive slower and stay in the back of the pack but you can’t just sit at the boxes and rely on items to catch you up