Only if leaf had active liquid battery thermal management, this would be such a winner car. Hatchback with nice space and so well built. Even with chademo this can be great car.
Well, looking at this video it seems that 62kw Leaf doesn`t really need liquid cooling. At least for 1 charging stop, maybe even 2! At around 1C (40kw) it barely heats up the battery... . If we consider complexity, cost, weight gain etc...that liquid cooling brings, it makes sense for people living in somewhat cooler climates and not doing long road trips of 700km+ in one go... . Also, this 200A Chademo chargers are really a game changer in terms of charging speed... ~70kw with very flat curve is great for this price..
@@DG-uv3zw Well said. As you mention that current configuration of leaf would suffice for countries with colder climates. I am currently in South East USA where summer temperatures routinely reach around 35-38C . So even in colder country like Norway , after leaving overnight the battery temperature did not drop much. This problem would be much more pronounced then. Also battery degradation might be more pronounced. Hence my perspective is coming from that use case. But for colder climates this should suffice as 700 km is quite good range . So even if the next DCFC session is throttles that would mean range of around 800-875 kms which should cover most single day travel distance for my road trips.
Dusan Gavrilovic Nissan could have added some form of air cooling using a heat exchanger and the a/c for about 100-200€/$ in material cost. And that would have made the car an instant buy for a lot of people i think. Relatively low complexity, and high gains imho.
@@zgmattie I think its much, much more complex then that. 62kwh leaf looks really solid without cooling. Even if you start at 40c, you will gain just a few degrees on 50kw charger...(widely available)
It would actually nice to see a 1000 km challenge with this 62 kWh Leaf, but the regular one in Sweden (when it's possible again). There are 200A CHAdeMOs in Munkedal, Varberg and Löddeköppinge. This should be plenty enough to see how this Leafs performs. And one small correction regarding the chargers in Dombas. E.ON uses Virta all across Europe, I charged in many countries with the Virta RFID at the E.ON chargers.
No need to beat the dead horse: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ps8hwnxzk4c.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-guEyn0va_cE.html
It doesn't make that muc of a difference. I thought it was obvious if he actually watched all the rapidgate videos. Once the battery is cooked, it will charge slow.
"... Simply Amazing" makes me laugh every time 🤣 always keeping the brand managers happy even though Nissan deleted their dedicated LEAF Twitter account
I agree on how crazy it was there. It's a popular charging spot but even in Winter vacations I don't remember your videos and streams ever showing it this busy. Chargepoint is the one you want here. EVGo is second best as they are cheaper and also work together with Electrify Americahhh. Chargepoint has almost the largest J1772 network too.
Nice Vidéo ! Nice road trip ! Nice cameras and stuff ! I would love doing the same kind of road trip test in Canada at 'crazy speed' you mention on highway ! Enjoy !
Bjørn, I see you always drive in Eco mode on the Leaf, mine uses way more in eco mode than not in long distance driving, have you done an exact comparison of those two drive modes?
Hi. there are many electric cars now on sale and some soon to come. You have driven most of them. If you where to buy one in each category SUV, hatch back, city car, saloon, etc what would be you top choose in each category and why.
I like the leaf. But i cannot imagin that the third genration has no batterycooling and no CCS in Europe. These two reasons make me not buy a leaf. Sorry mfg Dirk
Just wondering how the battery temperatures will be in sunny 30+°C . I noticed the temperature where you are was below 15°C. Please let us know if it can cause problems
If you live in a hot climate, do not expect the Leaf to charge "fast" more than once. We've had quite a warm summer in Germany last year (around 30°C) and the guys from nextmove (an all EV car rental company) did a test with the Leaf e+. The result was quite disappointing. Video is in German, but English subtitles are available. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sHS2LPNo8VQ.html
@@bjornnyland thanks. So it's really bad for where I live. I live in a tropical climate where average temperature is 31-32°C most of the year. Also, need an update on the battery life in the long run in continuous high temperature environment like How many years would you get a decent range of atleast 150-200kms before which it drops and can be used only for very short rides?
40kWh Leaf is even worse. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B-TfmGLpTg8.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MLbgKgUOUwo.html (fast forward to 14:05) Never seen this madness.
@Wermagst they went 120-130 km/h and quick charged the Leaf pretty close before starting the test. That was just asking for it! Either Nextmove was a little uninformed or did this on perpuse. They had the 40kwh Leaf before to know better. In such long distances like 1000km 120-120km/h is not the sweet spot anyway, more like 100-110 km/h
There is so much for Nissan to fix in their batteries. I have done Stavanger Oslo Stavanger multiple times in my 40kW Leaf, it takes for fucking ever due to rapid gate.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B-TfmGLpTg8.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MLbgKgUOUwo.html (fast forward to 14:05)
Hi Bjorn ! thanks for your videos ! I'm planning on buying the new 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 38kw, and I was wondering if you ever succeded on charging ioniq or kona on tesla supercharger ?
It’s shocking to me that Nissan is still using Chademo (especially in European and US models) and air cooled batteries. I really hope their upcoming Ariya EV SUV ditches CHAdeMO and goes to CCS, or at least it comes with some adapter that allows you to use CCS up to 350kW or something. They’ll have to go to liquid cooling too obviously.
Wow! Look at all those Tesla's! And you certainly didn't expect so many EV's at this charging stop. At least Tesla provides a good number of chargers but still, as a traveler, if you happen to need to stop to charge and there is a line up, that could definitely add more time to your journey. That would annoy me. On the other hand, with Tesla, as you have said in past videos, at least you can buy an adapter to use non-Tesla chargers which give you more charging options.
So I have 24kWh and a 40kWh. I have come up with the limit for my cars to be 2,5x real range as the total range of a day. For 170Wh/km that is 90km x 2.5 =225km for the 24kWh and 205km for the 40kWh x 2.5 = 513km. For the 62kWh I wonder if the same is true. eg. one could drive 325km x 2,5 = 813km. Seeing the temperature I don't think you get a 3. charge without rapidgate so I would have charged as much as possible and then given it a nights rest after that. I would love to see the suggested long trip though :)
Today I used my Danish Clever Flatrate Rfid to charge in Löddeköpinge on the Eon/Clever charger. No ekstra billing. I wonder if it is like that on all of them?
I asked Clever on Facebook if the Unlimited subscription covers charging on e.on/Clever in Norway, and Sussi from Clever answered that Unlimited covers all Clever stations everywhere, so yes, we're fine 🤗
I charged at one of these ABB units yesterday (CHAdeMO was 100kW) with my e+ and got 71kWh peak, 68.65kWh average over 30 mins. That was after a 77 mile (124km) drive and a previous rapid charge at 45kWh. Battery went from 31.5c to 44.9c so pretty warm! www.speakev.com/threads/150kw-polar-at-reading-m4-services.146405/post-2852196
Yes, little over 70kW. Japanese blogger "keep it simple sakamoto" channel I watch sometimes has the same results, using 90kW ChadeMo charger (fastest in Japan).
We have a ton of 200A BTCPower Chademo chargers in Oklahoma. The Tesla will peak at 50kW but it will hold on to 40+kW speeds much longer than normal 115A Chademo chargers (where speeds are mostly less than 38kW). m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9CcOWlZWZK4.html
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd Aww, that's a shame. The CCS adapter says it's rated to 210A, but is known to handle 370A ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ijuw7usvxfU.html so I was hoping the chademo would go higher.
It would be difficult. Let's compare.. MiEV have active air coiling. While fastcharging the HVAC system goes on full blast with AC on, and it has trouble removing heat fast enough, even if it's -10°C outside... In order to get the heat out, you need to have an air duct inside the battery box, but there is not made sufficient room for airflow inside the box. Nissan should have a cooling plate inside the battery. Even having it on the side of the stacks would help a lot.
When was this e+ made/bought? Nissan backed down and nerfed the charging back to 50kw for the e+ in late 2019 at some point. No announcement, just changed the advertised spec and got on with it. It's probably a BMS revision, so could potentially be reversed if a 3rd party garage could get hold of the early 2019 firmware.
In the UK it quotes 50kw as the example charging rate for the e+ and does not mention 100kw charging in any of the spec sheets or marketing. www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/prices-specifications.html#grade-LEAFZE1A-3|specs
Love your vids, but a thought. The last couple smells a bit like paid advertising, (RFID thingie). I have no problems with this at all, just be sure to let us know. Thanks up front.
@@bjornnyland As I said I wouldn't have a problem if it was, but I'm glad that it isn't. Keep up all your great work. Ps: Guess I'm just to use to others doing false advertising. Apologies I took you for one of them.
loltelco e-pedal is more aggressive braking than B mode, and has consistent braking regardless of battery charge (B mode gets progressively gentler from 80% to 100%, since it’s only using regen braking, and can’t regen as much at high charge levels).
@@loltelco Just to add that e-pedal incorporates some tech to manage more consistent deceleration and bump smoothing than B mode, but the implementation means that sometimes if you go over a sudden bump, like a small pothole or something like that while slowing down, it turns regen off and switches to physical brakes only until you stop slowing down, either by accelerating or coming to a stop. I'd guess that this is because the software for the bump modulation was originally designed for gas cars and adapting it to work for blended braking was not a priority since it's only an issue on bad roads. What you want to keep an eye on though is if you are going down a long slope and want to regen all the way down. If you hit a bump early, check your regen indicator. You might need to press the accelerator for a second to bring the regen back in order not to have e-pedal just use the physical brakes instead. Or you could use B mode without e-pedal if it has strong enough regen for you and turn it back on later. I use B and e-pedal most of the time so that when I turn e-pedal off occasionally for just that sort of thing, the behaviour isn't as different as if I were using D.
Too expensive for these poor results. Glad I bought a Model 3, the Nissan electric horse need a big cut on the price to be competitive. 40kwh Leaf is better priced for what it gives IMO.
