Just call it automated manual. However, I HATE that every dealer that sells an F430 puts the F1 trans under Manual....when I'm actually looking for a 6-speed Manual F430. Now, that's pretty rare. Nice Scuderia btw.
That’s so true. I remember when I was searching for an F430 spider, I couldn’t believe how many adds listed an F1 car as a manual. Jeez, these guys are in the exotic car business and they can’t even get that basic distinction correct!
It is still a manual, just an automated clutch. That is why there are so many DIY plug and play 6 speed gated manual conversions out there. Yes I know the comment I replied to is almost a decade old but I had to say something.
No, there is no "Park" in these gearboxes. They have Neutral, remember, these are manual transmissions. If you want to put the car in Neutral, just pull both paddles at the same time. For reverse, you have a small lever in the console (older cars) or a button (newer cars) also in the console. There is no need to use neutral in reality. You can go from 1st to reverse just by pressing the brake and pull the lever or the paddle, whatever situation you are in
There is no clutch pedal, when you shift, the actuator activates the clutch for you. Also, the system is linked to the ECU and modifies the shifting time to how you are driving at the moment. It's a nice and very interesting system.
I bought a 2006 430 in Oct 20. It does not have any books. I was wondering if you can shit into neutral at speed, and then back in gear again. I'm not willing to drop gears all over the ground to find out.
I have F1 transmission. Its amazing. Gives a true F1 vibe) There are different opinions if you should let off the trottle or keep during the shift change, @Naples Motorsports, what do you think about that?
i drove a regular ferrari f430 the other day with an f1 transmission and i don't know if i was doing something wrong, i had it in cst off mode and manual mode and if i were to punch it at lets say 5500 rpms and take it to redline it would hit the rev limiter every time without fail even if i shifted 500rpms earlier… i was very disappointed with the paddles.. is it possible i was doing something wrong or is the f430 just a slow shifter.. nothing like this scuderia
I just bought a 2001 360 F1 Modena. I have driven it 3 times without any problem, but today 4th time driving the car when i would shift from stop light with pedals from 1st to 2nd or to 3rd it would go into neutral and while down shifting, it even acted up in auto mode while coming to a full stop it would go into neutral. But then it would work fine. It acted up 10 times within 22 miles of driving. Any help would b nice..Clutch was done at 10k miles, now has 70% remaining.
Are you near Naples Florida? We would love to assist with this, however you would neeed to stop by so we can see whats happening in person. And whatever the issue is, we would figure it out and send you back on your marry way happy as can be!
In second 33-34 he seems to upshift by pushing the right paddle, instead of pulling it. Is it only an illusion caused by the movement of his hands or they really can work in that manner, by pulling or pushing? Btw, I have a Scirocco 2.0TSI with DSG, which I feel as being pretty good and quick upshifting. I cannot imagine how it would be to drive the Ferrai gearbox with all the surrounding car, engine and soundtrack!!!!
+Naples Motorsports Inc. I never understood why people hated these transmissions. If you treat the like a manual they are just as smooth as a standard shift. There is nothing that can compare to the ferocity of a sequential shift. When i drove my buddies lp550-2 I was mesmerized by the way the e gear was slamming through the gears.
why do people claim ferrari road cars use f1 transmissions? Technically their road cars use dual clutch transmission while f1 cars use a single clutch ''seamless shift'' transmission.
Philip S that’s what I was thinking. Don’t they use sequential gear boxes? Also on an f1 transmission you have to operate 2 clutch paddles to start off and to stop. You don’t need them for shifting. One paddle basically holds the clutch all the way in and the other paddle is where the clutch actually engages or the friction point. So f1 has 4 paddles. Two for shifting and two that operate the single clutch.
That isn’t necessarily accurate; these older vehicles with the F1/DuoSelect transmission are indeed based on a single clutch. The two paddles control just the up/down shift, and the car’s systems will do the brunt of the work, physically engaging the clutch, shifting the gear, and either rev matching your downshift or applying throttle pressure again to continue going. These aren’t dual-clutch transmissions. The old Ferrari F1/Maserati DuoSelect transmission is often the laughingstock of the industry - they’re finicky, sometimes a bit jerky, they can be slow to respond in some conditions, and they’re relatively high maintenance. But driven correctly they can still make these cars an engaging, fun experience. Note: I do not own an F1/DuoSelect-based car, I’ve only ever driven them. My car is ZF-based, which requires far less maintenance, and is significantly smoother at low speeds. At high engine speeds and under intense acceleration, they’re quite similar in performance, though the F1 may have a slight edge when you’re really pushing it.
This is a single-clutch automated manual transmission dude, not a dual-clutch. This essentially is a type of automatic transmission, however, it uses an automated clutch rather than a torque converter, similar to F1, but not exactly the same, as you said. Essentially, this transmission is just a regular H-pattern manual tranny (not a sequential), with an automated clutch, and electrohydraulic actuation with the paddle-shifters, for both the clutch and shifting mechanism. They've just replaced using a clutch with the paddle-shifters, and the clutch and shifting are controlled by a bunch of electrohydraulic actuators and an ECU. This transmission is the same system that was used in the 1989 Ferrari 640 F1 car... Just a regular H-pattern manual with paddle-shifters and electrohydraulic actuation for the clutch. This transmission came out in '97, so it was a bit before seamless-shift was introduced in F1 (which was in 2005). It was also a few years before the dual-clutch released (which was by VW in 2003). So this tranny is essentially just an H-pattern, with a bunch of electronic actuators for the clutch and shifting. This type of transmission was used in F1 before it was phased out, and they switched to the true drum-rotation sequential manuals like used on a motorcycle. I think they switched to motorcycle-style drum-rotation sequential trannies in '96 (or 1997), correct me if I'm wrong. They switched from the H-pattern paddle-shifts (semi-automatic transmission, as they're called) around 1996 I believe, and then to the seamless-shift type sequential in 2005. I hope this clears up any confusion!
I think because it costs quite a lot more ... but for the future i think that gear will be pc controlled with some different settings like fuel saving and sport. That would allow for a better use of the engine and less fuel consumption.
This is really confusing. Ferrari Scuderia? Scuderia Ferrari? F430?? F1 transmission? People talking about some 6 speed garbage? Not what I searched for.
You're exactly right. This is just a regular H-pattern manual with a bunch of electronic actuators for the clutch and shifting, not really a "sequential" like a motorcycle. F1 cars now (since '96 or '97 I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) use true drum-rotation style sequential transmissions, like what is used on a conventional fully-manual motorcycle.
Michael Davis yeah. They have 4 paddles I think on the wheel. Two are for the clutch that they only use for starting off and stopping and the other two are shifting. On my motorcycle I have what’s called a quick shifter. It’s similar to the F1. I only use the clutch for starting off and down shifting. I can shift clutchless at wide open throttle. There’s a sensor that the shifter hits and it cuts ignition to the engine for a fraction of a second when I up shift. It’s pretty awesome. Some bikes will do that up and down shift. Race bikes are like that.
@@JonBecker81 Sounds cool dude. Yes, in F1 they have 2 paddles for the clutch, and 2 paddles for shifting. The quick-shifter system on motorcycles (especially racing bikes and high performance) is real similar to the F1 "seamless shift" transmissions. There is a brief cut of power before the shift (similar to when you depress the clutch pedal in a car), which is all done automatically on command by the ECU, allowing you do make a smooth shift. The brief cut of power to the transmission is momentary, and it's all done by a bunch of electronic sensors and actuators (and other electronic and hydraulic doodads), and of course, the TCU and ECU controlling the transmission, operated via the paddle-shifters in a car, and I believe the foot-shift lever on motorcycles (I'm not sure if performance motorcycles use paddle-shifters, please correct me if I'm wrong). Everything is electronic, and an actuator (connected to the ECU) will automatically time and control the clutch in milliseconds (much faster than a human can), allowing you to make lightning-fast, full-throttle (i.e.; open on a bike; gas mashed to the floor in a car) upshifts, and smooth rev-matched downshifts, all done electronically. This tranny in the video is just a regular with Ferrari H-pattern manual with an automated clutch, controlled by electrohydraulic sensors and actuators. F1 cars and Motorcycles use true sequential, with the rotation of a drum to shift gears.
@@JonBecker81 Like you said, with these electronic quick shift and seamless shift systems, the clutch is only needed when going from a standstill or stationary (i.e., neutral) into 1st gear. After that, it's all smooth, seamless, zippy upshifts and downshifts in milliseconds.
Man don't think like that. Owning a Ferrari should have zero impact on the quality of your life. Many rich people are more miserable than you'll ever know. Its easy to get caught up in the material world. Especially in America. You can make your life whatever you want with hard work and determination.
Only if I could at least just drive one one time maybe my life wouldn't be so miserable and I have proof that rich people are way happier. They do not have issues like poor people
I always have bad luck in my life. Im outside US. I want to own one of this so that nobody make fun of me anymore. Pray for me, guys so that i became rich one day.
Maybe it's nice on the tracks but every day driving automatics can't beat manuals . I would never want to drive an automatic transmission in a daily driver
Huh? You must not live in an area with a lot of traffic. My daily commuter is an Acura ILX 8 speed auto. So much more convenient in stop and go traffic. I only drive my E46 M3 3 pedal 6 speed on weekends early in the morning usually where there is no traffic. I trade off Sat or Sundays or every other week with the Ferrari F430 F1.
It really depends on conditions. In the Boston, MA area, driving in traffic with a manual is simply too much of an inconvenience, and the clutch and brake wear is intense, since you’re constantly diving to both. I love cruising and commuting in automatics just as much as I love roving through the gears in a manual, but driving vehicles with manuals is best reserved for the weekends rather than commutes, for me.
It's an Electrohydraulic manual transmission. Basically, it's a manual transmission w/ an automated clutch. Depression of the clutch is controlled by the automated computers/actuators, pneumatics, & electro-hydraulics of the transmission. This transmission shouldn't be confused with a conventional automatic, as it doesn't utilize a torque converter, but rather a regular (albeit automated) clutch, like in a conventional manual transmission vehicle. An automated manual (single-clutch) would technically come under the family of "automatic" trannies, along with dual-clutch transmissions, continuously variable transmission, and manumatic (i.e., fake "manual" with torque converter) transmissions. This transmission isn't really "semi-automatic," as some people say. A real semi-automatic transmission is a manual transmission with an automatic clutch, but you have to shift through the gear ratios manually, like the VW "Autostick" semi-auto transmission of the late '60s. A semi-automatic transmission doesn't have an "automatic" mode like this Ferrari does, as the driver is required to shift through the gears manually. Semi-auto transmission fell out of favor over the years, and they don't really make them in road vehicles anymore. Some motorcycles use a "semi-automatic" transmission system, and racecars use paddle-shift, which I figure would qualify. Essentially, this transmission is an automated manual, which comes under the umbrella of an "automatic" transmission, except it uses an automated clutch rather than a torque converter.
