You know if the Robots in Disguise series would have continued, we could meet a Decepticon who doesn't want to harm anyone but rather wanna live alone in peace and points out to Bumblebee and his team that they are acting like the Decepticons during the war and treating Decepticons just because what they did rather than understanding that not all Decepticons either wasn't given a choice or misunderstood.
It's just sad to see how Autobots vengeful attitude towards Decepticon is actually recreating the same issues the old system had. It's going full circle and it's truly tragic, especially after the horrors of the war. The fact it's a pretty accurate recreation of what happened in real life on multiple occasion is honestly chilling to think about.
@@amfstudios8695 Yes, I have imagined that occasionally, like perhaps Starscream waking up from his coma and having to redeem himself in society along with other Decepticon prisoners, or perhaps seeing how badly they are treated despite trying to be better may compel them to rebel and start a new war against their oppressors. I read a fanfic called "Where You Rest Your Head" by espioc on Archive Of Our Own, which takes place in the IDW continuity, after Starscream is put in prison, and then in the story he becomes a parole and lives with Wheeljack. At the same time, new Cybertronians emerge from hot spots but as underdeveloped protoforms (in other words, sparklings) and these are adopted by various bots until they grow up. Wheeljack and Starscream adopt one which they get really attached to, but at the same time, because of his past as a Decepticon plus tax fraud or something while he was a leader, Starscream is facing heavy prejudice from society, struggling with getting a job, badly treated by his therapist and any resistance is punished by a "shock device", even if he just gets angry. Kinda like the "shock collar" for predators in the original script of Zootopia. It's a really good story and I highly recommend it, very well-written characters and worldbuilding, and it has a LOT of emotion in it.
This is what I don’t like about the Autobots in RID. Optimus Prime would have never approved of the way Decepticons are treated by Autobot Society, especially after Megatron learning what oppression really was proved that Decepticons can in fact change their ways. With how horrible the Autobots became, it’s no wonder Optimus Prime had to be revived.
I kind of liked what Cyberverse did with Autobots and Decepticons post-war. That peace can be obtained and as long as they remain peaceful then there should be no prejudice against them. Of course, there may still be tensions but as long as the society is handled delicately and open to coexistence then moving forward should be rather smooth. This can likely be achieved by a Decepticon leader who is open to peace and helps guide the people, which was Soundwave after Megatron's death and then Shadowstriker after Soundwave's.
If I remember correctly, then at certain points in Cyberverse, both Bots and Cons would question what they're even fighting for anymore or what actually started the war, meaning that they no longer see a point with the war and just want it to be over - understandable as it has lasted at LEAST 66 million years, WAY longer than it normally does (normally only about 4 million years!). And the only reason they keep fighting is because Megatron and Optimus are stubborn, or at least Megs. I think even Starscream may have mentioned how pointless the war had become, and that is the reason why he went insane after his near-death experience in Bad Moon Rising and decided the only way to stop the war and all other wars was to kill everyone, and then himself. Which honestly makes me feel bad for the poor guy's sanity.
Is a little too idealistic for my taste, grudges from war don't just disappear, and even decades after the end, tensions can be felt, or even bring up on purpose for political gain.
This just feels like the old system is back and is getting decepticons degraded due to them failing to win the war, this is unfair not all cons were sadistic murderers like Airachnid and Shockwave nor the dark energon addiction of Megatron they might be more like Breakdown and Dreadwing
I always had a theory that soundwave had to have seen some events while in the shadow zone, given the fact he was last seen still on the nemesis. He would likely have been disgusted or angry at the purging of decepticons and come to the conclusion that megatron returning would rally them to fight back or something along that line. But of course all the autobots saw was a evil decepticon attempting to restart the war. I always loved the idea of soundwave succeeding only for megatron to fill him in on everything he missed, maybe even inviting soundwave to live in peace with him. But of course in the end soundwave was defeated and laserbeak somehow went on to become an autobot. In my opinion Soundwave was the best example of possibly misinterpreted intentions.
While a great idea, but in the episode of RiD, when he comes back, it said he followed megatron to earth when he fell to try and catch him and was stuck their when Megatron was taken to cybertron.
I’d like to believe Wedge was a newborn cybertronian raised by the remaining Constructicons. Maybe they were the ones to teach him about the true ideals of the Decepticon cause. My head cannon is that these Constructicons died protecting Wedge from the Autobots before being found by Optimus.
What would've Megatron thought about this? All of his fighting to set his faction free from slavery and mockery, he did it for nothing. He'd still see them get prejudiced, berated and stereotyped by the faction he rose up against - exactly like he had never fought against them in the first place.
@@ohhellwhereami2574I think he would be rightfully pissed and probably try to find someone to help him do it in a non violent way like Diplomacy because no way in all of primus would he stand for that if he knew what was happening and if he needs to fight again well thx to his experience in war and as a gladiator he would be victorious or he’d find a way to bring it up to Optimus because while they were enemies they still respected each other well enough for them to work together when the opportunity arrives
the autobots of old are gone. the decepticons of old are gone. nothing resembling either remains. no more fighting pits. what are the decepticons fighting for now, except a goth color palette and badge?
I always like post war stories in transformers because they are forced to handle topics like this were in many cases their aren't right or wrong answers and you have to decide what is a reasonable precaution to stop it from happening in the future. Also that RID megatron design works really well.
Same, I love to see how Transformers postwar turns out, like in Cyberverse where they end up coexisting in peace, and EarthSpark where Megatron is allied with the Autobots but still a Decepticon yet there's still a conflict with some angry Decepticons feeling betrayed or just wanting to live in peace (but at the same time being a bit destructive sometimes). I like it when Autobots and Decepticons can learn to live in peace together without anyone having to conform to the other, or like in IDW where Starscream becomes ruler of Cybertron and decides the people must abandon their insignias and become neutral instead, after he himself rips off his Decepticon insignia, which I think is really cool, but not perfect peace, of course, since there will still be bots who love being Bots or Cons and won't give it up. But I get what he's trying to do. I really just want to see a Transformers show with a postwar where Starscream ends up being alive and not in prison or a coma, but actually able to live in peace with others, coz he's my favorite and he never gets a freaking break. The closest thing we have to this so far is actually in the War For Cybertron trilogy, the only show so far where it ends with Starscream still being alive, not imprisoned or in a coma, nor banished and still with the Decepticons, and where the Bots and Cons make a truce and live in peace on Cybertron from now on. Which is something, at least, but definitely want to see some more of that.
It's crazy how much deeper the decepticons go as a faction outside of "Genocidal evil dudes" when you really dive into their history and goals. I mean, it isn't even far fetched as to why many of them become so hating and evil, as likely many of the original decepticon followers died after a millenial of war, and the newer ones were built *during* war *for* war, meaning it was the only thing they knew
You also can't overlook the fact that their main number one influence, Megatron, was not a stable individual himself, and often encouraged their worst behaviours.
It's really unfortunate how the situation of the Decepticons in RID is that everything they fought for fell apart and committing a simple minor crime automatically makes you a Decepticon It's as if the Decepticons represent evil and the Autobots represent good when they don't I personally think that Cybertron is doomed to a corrupt government in that continuity
Redefining "Decepticon" to include petty criminals (and to a degree, "minorities"; we don't really see direct prejudice against bots with animal features but the fact that every sub-type has a name makes it sound like talking about them as groups is common) instead of a specific ideology sounds like a part of that the Decepticons in control actually could be responsible for; they didn't create anti-Decepticon sentiment, but they helped channel it more toward those they wanted kept under control.
Well think of it in this perspective. If a group who while having valid grievances decides to stage a uprising that soon turns into countless acts of genocide and even ecocide (the decepticons where directly responsible for cybertron becoming uninhabitable to the cybertroians) I’d say it’s valid to equate them with evil.
@@shadewolf0075 The problem comes whenever we realize that them killing the planet was unintentional, and that most the evil committed was due to Megaton going absolutely bonkers. This is a group of people who had known slavery, horrific injustice, and just overall oppression like nothing else. While it does not excuse actions, it does explain why this group would rally so strongly around the mech that at last freed them, and be reluctant to stop following that leader even after his actions no longer are for the good of decepticons, but rather just a powertrip. The only things these bots have ever known was the oppression status quo under autobots, and Megatron. Being under megatron likely was much better even in the worst of times, and they wouldn't really have a reference to show it could be any better than that. Decepticons should not be heralded as good, no. However, neither should 'Decepticon' be equated to 'evil'. It deserves to be called out for what it is- a warning against how even causes built under good ideals can cause pain. The fact that there are still those who call themselves decepticons shows that not only are the issues Decepticons wished to eradicate aren't gone, but also that there has been no less-drastic options offered. They haven't been shown that there is any OTHER way to change society. Yes, there are those who use the Decepticon symbol to commit crime, to commit evil. However i pose you this- why do we not see any Autobots Vehicons in RiD? It's made clear in the shows that Vehicons aren't mindless. They run away, they have their own opinions and- when given the option- they choose to have their own paintjobs. Nor are they shown to be 'evil'. Oftentimes just keeping to themselves and extracting the energon they need to survive. Yet, the only time we see Autobots work with Vehicons is right after the war ends and they need forces for hard labor. All the Vehicons on earth are abandoned most likely, and likely never contacted. Autobots were happy enough to leave Vehicons behind, and use the ones that remained for labor.
@@Slash_6612 vehicons are essentially the cybertroian equivalent of B1 battledroids from Star Wars IE mindless drones that somehow managed to develop personality despite the fact that they are ment to be mindless automatons for the sake of comedic effects. The autobots post-war are not the faction that came into the war and ultimately. Came out of the war as what the decepticons thought themselves as. Pinning all the evil the decepticons did on Megatron being crazy is also disingenuous because his men willingly went along with it and other high ranking decepticons were notorious for their sadistic actions and warcrimes. Also the decepticons deliberately infected cybertron’s core with dark energon which led to Primus shutting down to avoid death which made the world uninhabitable. There is simply too much evil done under the decepticon banner to make anyone post war view them as anything but the monsters they were. The fact that the decepticons basically took over cybertron’s government to try to wag wars against organics proves they are beyond redemption
I can believe that most of the prisoners on the Alkamore were genuinely insane monsters or full on criminals such as Thunderhoof, Underbite, and Vertebreak. But nobody can convince me that Clampdown was anything more than a cowardly crab. Especially Grimlock, considering his only crime was probably accidentally toppling a building.
@@DJPrimeAmvs “They’d love it here.” “Who?” “Mom and dad, they’d be so proud.” Main DCAU Batman didn’t agree with Justice Lord Batman’s viewpoint. To him, it was just controlling people.
You can't forget what Megatron also did. He nearly killed Cybertron and continued to wage his war on Earth, endangering an entirely uninvolved group in their war.
I always thought the ship in RID15 was leading to a mental asylum which explains why they were in pods because it’s like a padded cell, this could also explain why the autobots were so determined to catch them cause what’s worse than a war machine in a populated city? A mentally deranged war machine in a populated city, and this also explains why a lotta the cons have their uhhh quirks. Or the ship was just heading to a quintesson zoo I honestly don’t know
@@randomautobotprime360 Then again, we have Airachnid who was obviously based on a spider and the dinobots (Grimlock, Scowl and possibly Underbite) and insecticons. In fact, some of the bots including Kickback, Glowstrike, Saberhorn, Scorponok, Minitron, are based on insects and arachnids. But then we have the weird ones. Buffaloids, Amphiboids, Snaketicons, Lobstercons, Corvicons (Crows) Skunkticons.
@@KTWhatsup A possible explanation for why there's so many animal Decepticons in the prison ship is that they're the most discriminated against. I mean, accidental property damage netting a prison sentence? The fact we see next to no vehicular Decepticons in the prison ship says a lot.
The lesson is decepticons may seem bad but we have to treat them like normal people and never judge a book by it’s cover on them because some decepticons are misunderstood
Some like Grim and Ped. But you have to admit that other cons aren't complete angels (Including Ped). Some like Kickback, Corvicons and Chop Shop are thieves but they don't seem to care if anyone gets hurt in the process, some like Steeljaw and Quillfire have non-evil intentions but can result in violent ways of how they do it, some are just misguided by anger like Groundpounder and Bisk who were accused for cheating and Simacore who just has bad temper issues, and some are just straight up bad like Overload, Saberhorn, Scorponok and others.
Tbh They wouldn’t like us anyway they hate organics they don’t even see us as alive, I think they have the capacity to change but I wouldn’t say they’re misunderstood because they are pretty honest about their intentions
@@KTWhatsup Grimlock isn’t a Decepticon though. In the same continuity as RID 2015, he’s fighting against the Decepticons on Cybertron. It makes no sense that he would be a Decepticon after the events of Fall of Cybertron, after what Shockwave did to him and his team.
it seems like in lots of new media, they are trying to get rid of the idea of decepticons as an evil faction/race of transformers all together introducing new baddie teams
Yes, like how the Decepticons in Cyberverse are generally not actually bad and many even having a more lighthearted, goofy side to them, some wanting to be friends with some Autobots, like Clobba and Hot Rod, I think? And I am very interested to see how things turn out in EarthSpark with Megatron, despite being a Decepticon, is a good guy now, and how things are gonna turn out for the Decepticons who are presented more as victims of an unfair society than actually evil and even the prisoners are stated by the ones keeping them as not being treated fairly. I am SO hoping for the Decepticon prisoners to end up becoming good and helpful and treated as allies, not as enemies, especially Lord Starscream with the Steve Blum voice from Prime, coz I just want him to be happy!
That seems to be the case, especially when you include grimlock. Kind of sad though, given that he likes the stories of the original Autobot hero grimlock enough to want his name
@@ilyte1I actually had a thought that because of what Shockwave did to him it also caused him forgetting his past, he did stay in beast mode more over the show.
Damn this actually presents a far darker fate for cons who were just doing their job than in Earthspark, Cyberverse, and especially the old IDW comics and kinda leans closer to what happened in Energon after years of peace between sides. Even older shows like Cybertron gives the more innocent cons more chances at redemption once the war ends. I dunno if it's intentional, but this feels like the writers are saying if you're a con, you're automatically bad regardless of what you did and should be punished, and the only ones who seem to notice this is wrong are the cons and even Optimus himself (as far back as Prime when Ratchet tried to torture someone) Whats even more frightening is fan depictions of the aftermath of Prime actually give us a more realistic version of it compared to RID or even RBA, showing that both sides regardless of who won or not are still at odds but try to remain peaceful despite their differences and past misdeeds to one another
I'm under the impression they made it so black and white because the shows mentioned above were aimed at younger audiences and thought good decepticons was an idea that would be too difficult for kids to understand. Which makes me so mad because kids are not dumb and can understand these things!
So despite Megatron’s struggles for his vision of equality between Autobots and Decepticons, everything went back to how it was before the war like it never even happened. Makes you feel even more sorry for him, surprisingly.
I mean when one side uses terrorism, genocide and caused the near death of your planet/God, then yeah, they deserved to be villainised. Not all cons were monsters, but their cause didn't exactly spread peace and love through the galaxy.
Thank you so much for pointing all this out! I've had stuff like this on my mind but normally kept it to myself due to some people calling me "villain simp". It really feels like "Your ether an autobot or your out of line".
Exactly! I know this is aligned and not the IDW comics but in the comics shockwave, what is a senator, he was literally made into the monster he is today by the same bots claiming they’re heartless monsters. They took away the ability to feel for shockwave.
Most of these points are good, but remember Laserbeak actually wanted to be an Autobot. This may have been due to spending so much time under pressure to get it changed, or he could have chosen so himself.
Honestly I’ve wondered how the prime Megatron would react to the whole “decepticons are evil” after his change of spark after being possessed by unicron
Megatron would probably think "how can you blame you?". Megatron himself has been pushing the Decepticons to commit war crimes for millions of years, not out of necessity but for fun and sadism, when he became the one to be tortured by Unicron and suffered he realized how horrible and unjustified his actions were, the things he and the Decepticons have done over millions of years cannot be forgotten no matter how hard they tried to do them, so he knows that the name Decepticons is now a natural association with evil (as in real life), not thus being able to redeem their name he decided to dissolve the Decepticons
It's insane to see how the Aligned continuity just drops in seriousness as more shows are added. Like Prime may bot be perfect but it was so dark compared to the shows after it. Wish we could get better sequels
Given how ready optimus is to accept decpticons into the autobot faction, i believe part of it is society accidentally, maybe even purposely, mimicking that part of him in the worst way possible. For him, it's believing everyone can do better and is a symbolic jesture of putting the past behind them, something left over from the war, but to society, it's another means to actively seek revenge.
I remember in the Transformers Animated series, that whenever there's a neutral party brought to life by the Allspark fragments, the Autobots are surprising hostile since the Neutral Bots don't fit in with them, while the Decepticons are much more accepting. Megatron even mentioned the origin of the war, but of course in a way that makes the current Decepticons looks good.
I think that had to do with how xenophobic that animated Autobot Society was, I mean, look at Blackarania (is that how it spell) she hated her organic haft was constantly trying to get rid of it and she was an Autobot before becoming a Decepticon
Now that you mention it, Animated Megatron, and the Decepticons in general, do lack the supremacist attitudes of their counterparts. True none of them are happy to be on Earth, and they are dismissive of humans and our accomplishments, Megatron especially, but his desire to destroy Detroit is more out of his personal grudge against that city specifically and the perceived alliance it has to the Autobots. For the most part, their primary interest is getting off the planet and back to Cybertron. Beyond that they don't seem to care about Earth one way or another.
To be fair, Megatron and the ‘Cons there are only taking them in because they’re useful or actively causing problems for the Autobots. To detail: 1. Megatron himself created the Dinobots and set them loose to destroy the Autobots and all vehicles in Detroit. The Autobots already fought the pre-transformed Dinobots, so they already know they’re a threat, and thus are justified in dealing with them violently. 2. Soundwave, again, is created by Megatron, and attempts to enslave humanity to create a robot-ruled planet. The Autobots were right to be suspicious of him. 3. Wreck-Gar is already causing chaos in the city through his clumsiness, naiveté, tendency to do whatever he thinks he’s told without regard for consequences, and being an accomplice to the Angry Archer’s crimes. Plus, it’s Ratchet - the grumpy old man who’s already in a sour mood during the episode - who tries to deal with him primarily. Lugnut isn’t helping Wreck-Gar out of genuine care, he just wants to find another servant for Megatron. 4. The Constructicons already rub the Autobots the wrong way with their boorish and reckless attitude, and to their credit the Autobots try to be polite in rebuffing them the first time around. Blitzwing explicitly plans on terminating the pair after doing his grunt work, and they only survive because Megatron wants to keep using them for their construction skills and stops Lugnut from killing them - he, too, is willing to scrap them when they’re too insubordinate, and generally just sees them as labor force. The next time the Autobots see them they’re explicitly allied with Megatron and have come to take the AllSpark, so the Autobots have every reason to be hostile towards them. Really, when you look at it, the Autobots have very good reason to be suspicious or unfriendly towards the AllSpark-made bots, and the Decepticons are just taking them out of pragmatism.
And this is exactly why I write my giant 4 book size story to be more open. The story is about a Decepticon who actually rises among the cons ranks and assures that the Decepticons arent lost or that the Decepticons arent forced back to the old ways. They work hard to aquire their true way of life. Assuring their is peace, even having to kill cons that they cared for, because they defy that peace. Which effects them greatly because they try hard to make sure Cons are given a second chance.
What makes Grimlock's story even more tragic is the fact that the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games are set in the aligned continuity and in FOC we see that Grimlock is not only the tortured experiment of Shockwave, but Grimlock also fought against the Decepticons and was an Autobot. So that means that the Autobots labeled one of their own as a Decepticon even knowing everything he had gone through.
You clearly didn’t look into RID Grimlock that much. RID Grimlock was confirmed by the creators to be a separate character from Autobot WFC/FOC Grimlock. RID Grimlock was a Decepticon Dinobot that named himsef after Grimlock. It’s like how Beast Wars Megatron named himself after Decepticon Megatron. They share the same name, but RID Grimlock is a separate character from WFC/FOC Grimlock.
@@PaigeRobins-ky4qc It’s mainly because the creators for RID 2015 didn’t want to draw in much of Grimlock’s darker origins from the WFC games. They instead made a new origin for him for the show, and when fans questioned this, one of the show runners/producers said they consider RID 2015 Grimlock and WFC/FOC Grimlock as separate characters. This is made more evident when RID 2015 Grimlock became a main characters in Rescue Bots Academy. While he did look more like classic Grimlock in that show, he was confirmed to have originally gone by the name of Steelwall; a name WFC Grimlock never went by. Frankly, most of the choices made for RID 2015 and RBA confuse the Aligned Continuity universe.
I also feel like the entire autobot decepticon thing is just returning to a cast system but one of "model citizens" and "criminal elements" thats always worrying.
This is a pretty realistic factor to take in, and I think it's a story arc which should be explored. But what really makes me a bit more 50/50 is that even Optimus Prime is going the " Decepticon elimination " route when this is not what he originally believed in. But being eventually blinded by war seems realistic, Optimus has been one trying so hard to bring everyone together. After Autobots won and Cybertron was repairing, maybe everyone's mindset was " Decepticons may ruin everything again " and that's why they're being eradicated to near extinction.
Maybe for the autobots we get to see, the rest of them however, perhaps not so much. They did force the 'cons to be gladiators pre-war after all. Now Optimus, and most of the autobots who followed him weren't like that, except Ratchet, but dude was a field medic and clearly has severe PTSD from the war before it came to Earth. So he gets a little slack, emphasis on little.
I really love how you explained the story in incredible detail! Truly blurs the line between hero and villain to the point they're one in the same. A marvelous feat that some folks like Hasbro and Disney are too scared to take and rather do it the typical way.
The way I see it, there are three types of cons. 1. The ones who want to be free since the days of the cast system. 2. The onles loyal to Megatron as devoted fanatics or see him as their definitive leader. 3. Decepticons who only enjoy destruction and are mostly violent.
I liked how g1 gave the decepticon symbol a reason for existing, it was what determined the distinction between two different robot types whiched each served a purpose for what was at the time a quintesson controlled society, and the symbols were given accordingly to distinct one robot and the other. The decepticon symbol for the military hardware, the quintesson's military henchmen in other words, and the autobot symbol to define the "economic goods" or labor bots who were responsible for laboring and carrying out personal duties to their quintesson leaders. And it would make sense that, after revolting against the quintessons that the "economic goods" robots would eventually start putting themselves higher than the more militarized soldiers of the military hardware because of the fact that they served directly with their creators, whereas the military hardware only dealed with their defense. But I just feel that this aligned continuity just seems to forget to explain the origin and the meaning of those symbols, which, like g1, would give so much more depth and understanding as to what it means to have either been an autobot or a decepticon, rather than it just being the symbol that defines if your a good guy or a bad guy.
It’s so strange to see the freedom fighters change and become corrupt like they were before the war. Really shows that without optimus time repeats itself
I'm sure they did it to keep it simple for the younger audiences, but man did this wreck the aligned continuity because they're literally just perpetuating the oppressive ways Cybertron had before the war began, which I feel was yet another thing that ruined the end of Prime when Megatron declared that the war was over and they even let Knockout stay amongst them (or I assume since he was with the team saying goodbye to Optimus)
Knock Out stays with Team Prime at least in some capacity, because the Decepticons who take over label him as an ally to Prime (he shows up in that montage of photos of bots being called enemies of the state, whenever that scene is.) Personally I like to believe that the two times they use his vehicle model as an easter egg that it's actually him, and he bummed off to Earth to do more illegal street racing. :D
Maybe if the Decepticon leader himself had spoken with the Autobot government regarding the Decepticons on the loose and that some had to pay for their crimes (like him), some wanted to change sides and improve, and above all that some did not even commit big crimes there would not have been need to imprison every Decepticon they see. But now i wonder, where did Megatron go?, to another planet?
I lost track of RID2015, but knew about the Autobot council labeling Optimus and any ally to him a criminal. A corrupt council setting a strict system thinking it would prevent chaos while unknowingly repeat events that cause the war to start, sounded cool cause the council in Animated had something a little off. But after RID2015 ended and when I looked up what happened, I was a bit disappointed to read the council was a group of Decepticons in disguise that wanted to control Cybertron and have it ready for Megatron to rule after they find him.
The important thing about the factions of Cybertron is that at first there was no factions only higher and lower class citizens of Cybertron that was created by the government. Most likely like all civilizations there are some people that put people into government facilities and other people in Blue collar jobs. But the reason that they call decepticons is it's because one many of them would see was or deceptive of their own goals and cons is like convex. So names like predacons decepticons, constructacons, and so on were convicts that would have assigned different jobs. Megatron took the name decepticons and made it a banner to rally individuals that were classified underneath it. Speaking of the logo, it was most likely designed in the story as the symbol of the following. If you do not know about it was the first decepticon who actually betrayed the primes that was megatronus. He was featured in the first season of transformers robots in disguise, but also in power of the primes and other innovations. If you did not know about this is that the Autobot logo was actually the symbol of the Quintesson who used cybertronians as slaves and the logo was their stamp for that product. But the erasure of decepticons logos is what I can only assume is so other cybertronians won't discriminate person that was a decepticon. And yes on Cybertron they might have been some corrupt enforcement and politicians of Cybertron but many Innocent lies were actually taken because of both factions more specifically the decepticons eliminated anyone that didn't fall in line with their way of thinking. And specially Megatron said the decepticons are no more as a final command.
Why do I imagine this interaction between Prime and Megs? M: So you changed Laserbeak's badge? O: It gave him the confidence to accept joining the academy M: ... You're changing it back after putting the medal over it, aren't you? O: Yup
I think after a war that lasted millions of years that led to their planet and presumably multiple others dying, the deaths of hundreds if not thousands, and who knows what other crimes... The Autobots are justified in being wary of the Decepticons (the ones pretty explicitly shown to be the instigators of the war and the ones behind most of the shown atrocities). The Decepticons are a shell of their original ideas at the end of the war, we should stop pretending that's not the case.
it would be so cool if the aligned continuity came back in a big way with a new show that really hammered in a theme about the dangers of what can happen when attempting to erase history. (super socially relevant rn), it’d be very interesting and nuanced, plus imagine all the new characters they could bring in! and old characters that could return and finish their incomplete arcs… i know this will never happen but it’d be really cool because whether intentionally or not, that’s what they’re setting up. if Hasbro won’t write it, i will
This reminds me of post war Germany & how its people were treated. If the continuity had continued, I wouldn’t be surprised of a second war started up again due to this autobot negligence & oppression.
It’s quite sad the more you think about it, some decepticon that choose to end the war and want to live their lives peacefully only if they did, they are ether locked away in stasis or put behind bars for all eternity.
Two series i think handle this concept well is cyberverse and earthspark and beast wars The concept of deception being treated like second class citizens or lower is a great concept to show not all autobots are good and not all decepticons are bad Beast wars was more to the point with dinobot stating multiple times how predacon’s are treated Cyberverse for all its flaws ironically had the best case scenario of Autobots and Decepticons mending their ways and working together all thanks to Soundwave sacrifice
To be honest I’m getting tired of the Decepticons being portrayed as second class citizens and warrior class people. G1 was them being all power hungry and demanding of higher power. Tf prime makes them seem innocent rioters and not guilty as criminals. And it’s an old concept that Transformers should move upon on and actually make the Decepticons something else! Not second class or forced soldiers placed under a caste system
Oh yeah, I absolutely hated it when Laserbeak was made into an Autobot at the end of RBA as well, like, "So I understand you're reluctant to join because you're this, well then let's make you the same as us, let's just throw away your old identity which you so strongly believed in, let's conform you to society!" It wasn't even like rewatching the episode or thinking about it later, it was immediately as I saw the insignia being changed that I was like "Oh HELL NAH!" Like, for one, the Decepticon insignia is cooler than the Autobot one, and secondly, the Autobots are being racists here. Or factioncists, discrimination in any case! And yeah, Cybertron is basically going back to how it was before the war, except maybe without the caste system, but in return there's now prejudice against Decepticons and those who sympathize with the Decepticons. And the NERVE they have to slap an Autobot insignia onto new bots without giving them the choice, what the FRAG!!! This is what compels us to change Cybertronian society for the better of everyone in our fanfics. Also, when the new High Council was revealed to be Decepticons in disguise, I was actually kinda disappointed, coz having corrupt Autobots would be so interesting and more akin to how it was like before the war, but no, just Decepticons being the baddies as always. Although it is possible that they intended to make society better for Decepticons by taking over the High Council, but with the wrong methods, in which case I guess it's understandable. Still disappointing that they weren't actual Autobots though. I also wonder if Wedge was found by Optimus after the war ended, I feel like that makes more sense, but of course who knows when he was created. Maybe Wedge was created after the restoration of Cybertron (when sparks could begin life anew) and was then taken in and raised by the Decepticons, so he might be about the same age as the other recruits. It just feels more sensible than if he had been alive already for thousands of years or a million years or however long the AllSpark was gone, since, while definitely more mature than his friends, still seems more kid-like than the older bots including Bumblebee who was one of the last bots to emerge before the AllSpark was yeeted into space.
I believe that after the war and everyone thought optimus had died The new high council was voted from some of the remaining Autobots after cybertron was revived And because of their history with Decepticons The new high council saw all Decepticons as war criminals and decided to erase the faction from cybertron That means All the Decepticons that didn't do anything wrong as well as actual war criminals And would be Iver put in a prison in a distant sector of the galaxy away from cybertron Or just never allowed to enter cybertron again But then Cyclonus and his Decepticons decided to put in end to the Autobots dictatorship and take back cybertron by influencing the new cybertronian generation to do what happened in robots in disguise In order to create a better future for the remaining Decepticons of the war as well as future generations
Love how he leaves out the part were the deceptions actions lead to the destruction of cybertron the title Autobots is explained to be the short version of the title Autonomous Robotic Organisms a species name deceptions are a faction started by Megatron who started it because he got told he couldn't be named prime
This is a sad fate for any Decepticons in this timeline. The worse fate is still the Unicron trilogy IMO. Billions of Decepticons died by crashing into the energon grid or impaled by Unicron's spikes. The Autobots made jokes on their recent corpses laying all over Cybertron's surface and Optimus didn't make a comment on all this death that happened. He like he wants to take part in denialism. All that's left of the Decepticon Empire by the end of Energon was Megatron's brainwashed Decepticons robbed of their former selves. Cybertron did added more to their ranks from the colony worlds but really, what's left is basically the Decepticon equivalent of Team Rocket that's trapped on Mars
"And now to give you your Autobot badge." "Pass." "Pass? You mean..." "No, I'm not a Decepticon. I just think it's time we did away with the badges. Anyway, I don't want anything messing up _this_ sexy chassis." "... you are a garbage scow." "What's your point?"
Optimus' resurrection did this continuity so much damage. As much as I love Rescue Bots and SOME things in RBA, the "Autobots Good, Decepticons Bad" thing isn't explored enough, and when they do, they just forget about it like when Optimus changes Laserbeak. It's like they suddenly became allergic to sticking to any idea of exploring Decepticon nuance. There were nuggets of it, but it doesn't go anywhere. Optimus' death in Prime actually meant something. Resurrecting him fucked up the other shows so badly. They absolutely refuse to let anyone take over for him as a leader or representative of Cybertron, even though Ratchet is right there. I love Optimus in Rescue Bots but it should've been Ratchet or someone else instead.
Arcee and Wheel Jack must have been the first council members. Wheel Jack "So, we going on a crusade and bringing all those slag pit cons to justice?" Arcee "That's the plan, for Clif Jumper, Tail Gate, Optimus and all the others those slag piles hurt"
In TFP, Optimus prime at the end of season 3 beats the shit out of Megatron in just 12 seconds, yet in robots in disguise, optimus prime takes training, proving that Hasbro downgraded him. And bumblebee acts like a child and in TFP bumblebee is Optimus Prime's best friend. (Hasbro,why, why did you downgrade optimus and you could just let him die at end of tfp).
You think the writers ever consider the implications of portraying Decepticons, a political faction, the way they do? Maybe, but they might not have the time or lenience to do it over. Let's just blame Simon Firman and call it a day.
How about instead of blaming the writer we blame the very high probability they couldn't go to in depth into the decepticon history and politics in what's largely ment to get a kid show to sell toys. Even if idw had the leeway to write some very thought provoking and incredible writing, past tf-prime they clearly went for a lighter more child friendly tone.
@@wolfyblackknight8321 I don’t think we will ever get any “deep” scenarios in mainstream series. Comics have provided us with some glimpses how complex you can make a plot about killer robot cars from space. Fingers cross Kirkman and his team would have better artistic chops than the IDW2 run.
@@vladkornienko7889 yeah hopefully tho I don't know if anyone is gonna top the older runs between primes speech to the senate. And megatron becoming an autobot and that being pulled off well.
I'm planning a fanfic that will start a second war and I'm planning to have Knock Out turn on the bots and go con again and spoiler alert the Decepticons will win this time.
"A civilization that forgets its history is doomed to repeat it" really shows in this continuity. All those lives lost over how to change/reform the system only to end with almost no change at all, even after Cybertron was given a second chance at life.
A comic pointed it out best: How The Decepticon revolution ended up being a platform for more despicable Monsters like Shockwave and Airachnid to inflict their desires on the world, while claiming they did what they did for the Decepticon Cause. Don’t get me wrong, the Decepticons were absolutely the bad guys at the end of the war, levy all the atrocities against them you what but it doesn’t justify them taking their war to other planets and attempting Genocide on an Unrelated Species. But, the whole thing is a case of “The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions.” The cause was Just, but how everything turned out was not. I wish I could root for the Decepticons, root for the bots rising against their oppressors. But how can I? Knowing everything they’ve actually done to people to had no stake in their war. That’s the straw that broke the back for me.
So this is a new take on the reasons for the war. The original reason from back in G1 was... Autobots wanted a Democracy Deceipticons wanted a Monarchy. Also both Decepticons and Autobots were slaves to the Quitisons. The Decepticons were largely drawn from the military, and naturally possessed the ability to fly. Autobots came from the common laborers, they had little to no combat experience. They also lacked flight. That was actually something a young Optimus was jealous about when he saw that the newest decepticons had the ability to fly back with the conflict was still people waving banners and yelling at leach other and maybe throwing litter. It wasn't until the generations that experienced slavery died that actual war broke out and brother fought brother. This new time line I feel really tries to make things...less black and white. But the issue was never good versus bad it was about should we trust a strong central figure with governmental power, or give that power to the people and let the voice of the people deicide. Because the Autobots didn't want a representative democracy, they wanted an Absolute democracy which would work due to world wide instant communication every time a issue came up an alert could go out and the people could vote on a course of action. But it would mean slower reaction times to dangers. It had drawbacks. Meanwhile a monarchy would mean one person made the choices, which to a military minded people would make sense, the general gives orders and the soliders obey. Again it wasn't about evil but if an evil person came into power there would be no direct way to remove him, short of a revolt, so it would have had flawed. The fact that neither side was willing to meet in some kind of middle ground would have been better worth exploring.
Wait, is Prime is alive during RBA, when does the Predacons Rising movie take place? Edit: Never mind, im fucking brain dead, DISREGARD THIS COMMENT (i fucking forgot prime’s alive in RID which i find stupid.)
About that Megatron concept art, it would've actually made sense to bring back Megatron in RiD 2015 as I highly doubt postwar Cybertron to let one of the most brutal decepticons walk free somewhere in the universe
I am so frustrated with this, all the issues pointed out in this video; how the autobots treated decepticons and how messed up post war cybertron actually is could have made for such amazing storylines in all the shows mentioned and instead rescue bots and RID 2015 looked at these potential story plots and themes to tackle and just went: "No~."
I always thought that following the war there was no Decepticon faction, but rather the title and insignia of Decepticon was simply applied to Cybertronians who had committed major crimes. Come to think of it, I don't think the Alchemor's database had any records of crimes for the prisoners, merely information on their abilities that might assist in their apprehension... Now it sounds like Cybertron actually returned to the same oppressive oligarchy that had led to the Decepticon uprising to begin with, the only difference being that the High Council didn't appoint anyone to be a Prime. Thinking about it now, the High Council posers had a very stupidly complicated plan, and it wasn't even for their direct benefit, it was to succeed in conquering Cybertron for Megatron, except I think if he had found out about this, he would have reduced each and every one of those idiots to piles of mangled scrap.
It’s sad really this is how the aligned universe’s story ends. Megatron is a weak whimsy coward off who f$cking knows where rotting away, decepticons who might want to change their ways are either prisoners or very few, half of the tfp autobots are missing or might even be dead when the decepticon council was in control, major plot points like predaking, zombie insectacons with vampire airchinda are just never found out, the old human cast is missing and we never find out what became of them, and the universe ends on some random kiddie show that I forgot existed. This is why I choose to imagine each show, game, and book is in their own world where events similar happened but not actually the same universe. Because man it sad the series that started with the amazing cybertron games ends with this :(
In the Aligned Timeline, Megatron has a big spark but a bigger ambition, which is to become Prime to control cybertron in any way he see’s fit as that’s what he thought would be better for most and more beneficial for who was a decepticon or followed him but when Orion was chosen instead, he relinquished what is good and instead would do anything he can to attain control and rule of cybertron and was now blinded by power and then War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron happened which was Megatron being a blinded by the power of Dark Energon and then peed inside Primus(the god and core of Cybertron) his purple dark piss and destroyed Cybertron and the rest is what you or may not still know or you can play the 2 PS3 games and 1 PS4 game (must have physical copies, digital has been removed) and watch the shows
I’m logging in just to say: I don’t think I was physically or emotionally prepared enough to hear CHILDREN debate whether or not someone was a person and deserved medical help. Transformers really can’t help being messed up in one way or another can it
I'm not informed about TFP universe lore all that well(post-TFP at least), but aren't autobots and decepticons just political fractions? I mean since autobots won the war it is only natural that decepticons would be oppressed to prevent spread of their ideas and possible uprising. I get that some of post-war transformers would have different view on things than autobots do, but it is strange to proclaim themselves as decepticons. As actions of decepticon's high chain of command include, but not limited to (just what I was able to recall from TFP): ~Torture ~Execution of unarmed prisoner(s) ~Enslavement ~Resurrections of the dead as slave-warriors ~Development and use of chemical weapons & other weapons of mass destruction ~Attempted genocide of an entire planet's population
