NO MORE LAG｜Dreamcast/PS2 HDMI Adapters [OSSC] 

Emulators are indeed not illegal and you don't need to use a rom with the disc based ones because they allow you to run games from the disc as long as your pc/laptop (witch can be an external usb powered one) has a disc drive that can read the game.

I'd go with the Dreamcast resolution since its hardware is extremely similar to the Sega NAOMI, which is what the arcade version was on.

4:00 that's called interlacing. That the "i" at the end of 480i. Interlacing was a method of rendering only half the screen per frame as to save on performance but as a result it just looks less sharp in motion and looks funny when paused per frame. The "p" stands for progressive scan which means the whole image is displayed at once. If your games support it (which you will have to look up online per game some requiring a button held down during launch) turn it on. Interlacing was not designed for LCDs. Avoid it at all costs. It was mainly made back in the day as CRTs hid the interlacing and on PC you could double frame rates using interlacing. On consoles it just meant lowering device demand which really wasn't important but we did it anyways.

the 480i passthrough flickering isn't the fault of the ps2 to hdmi adapter/ossc, it's the monitor's. the monitor is using a bob deinterlace so it's pretty flickery. make sure you use a deinterlace filter in obs if you're gonna use the ps2tohdmi. use the yadif 2x deinterlacer. it'll remove the combing artifacts and it'll show at 60fps. no matter what you're gonna get flickering when you're running at 480i (with your monitor at least), thats just the nature of 480i. personally i'd go with the line4x mode for 480i if you can handle it. it'll look better and the flicker is less noticable to my eyes.

Love my OSSC. Been using it for a year and a half now. I also use the behar bros vga to hdmi out akura box. It has a dreamcast av out plug on one end and has an hdmi port on the other emd

Assuming budget is not a significant limiting factor, forget about OSSC at this point if you are thinking about buying it. The OSSC Pro is coming later this year and will have a full frame buffer. You can select simple line multiplication, adaptive line multiplication, or full frame buffer. The buffer will support full deinterlacing, rotation, and scaling filters. If the OSSC Pro can fully address all of the deficiencies of the original and those of the Micomsoft Framemeister as well, it will be the best solution hands down.

The term you’re looking for is aspect ratio, not shape.

The best output you could possibly get on the Dreamcast would be getting the DCHDMI which is a custom board that adds HDMI output to the Dreamcast. Its pixel perfect and has the option to change resolutions. It also has a wifi antenna as part of the board to install any new revisions for the board (I'm not 100% sure if the wifi antenna can allow for online play on the system though) The downside of this is its a hard mod to do so its an additional cost of having to send your console to have some one do the installation for you on top of buying the custom board. Its a really expensive mod that, over here in the US, comes out to around 200 dollars so its if you really want to go all out just for the Dreamcast. That OSSC output you got for your Dreamcast does look amazing. Nice work!

Imo the DCHDMI with a GDEMU is worth the price and you can bump everything to 1080p, no lag, and have all your games in one place.

Nihongo, the ps2 to hdmi and OSSC also works with the GSM on OPL, or so I’ve heard. With it, you could set a progressive resolution. You should try it. Cheers.

For dummies like me, I would just like Sega to come out with a Dreamcast Mini with a collection of games built in/available for download.

The Dreamcast (And Xbox and GC/Wii come to think of it) are AMAZING at handling 480p. The PS2 on the other hand is very complicated because Sony wanted developers to squeeze as much performance as possible out of the system. The PS2 is the least powerful, but it was very capable using very "hacky" ways of doing it. The reason is because the other systems actually render the game in 480p, but then the output is transcoded to output in 480i. For the PS2, there are games that are actually RENDERED this way. Not all games, but a good handful. A good example of this is SMT3: Nocturne. Even if you force 480p using homebrew, it still does a bob-flicker deinterlacing even though the PS2 is actually outputting a 480p progressive signal. The only fix for that is using an emulator with a patch that doubles the internal vertical resolution, so a pure 480p homebrew patch for PS2 is impossible. If I can play a game from that generation on any of the other systems, Dreamcast and Gamecube are my go-to consoles for this reason.

You can add alternating scanlines on the ossc for interlaced video that to me makes the picture much more comfortable to view. Just make sure that the scanline intensity is set lower and it will look a lot more authentic like a crt.

Perfect timing.. I just found my Dreamcast in storage and am now looking to play it again. Thanks ..👏👍

There are some HDMI converter cables that you can get for the older retro consoles such as the Sony PS2, Nintendo GameCube and vice versa.

I have the Dreamcast and OSSC setup and it looks amazing! I also got a Toro VGA box.

If you’d like to know more about why the picture has that combing effect and various other things Watch some vids from RetroRGB. They talk about these cheaper HD options and HDRetrovision’s products. Also Some games on PS2 supports 480P. by holding the △ and × , buttons down after the PlayStation 2 logo appears. It enables progressive Scan.

Dreamcast is one of the most underrated systems

Emulators are not illegal as long as they created everything from scratch and did not use any copyrighted software or code(ex the original system bios) . Yes that is the Rabbit hole that is retro gaming and resolutions etc. Nice Video

To get a perfect picture on my Dreamcast I used a VGA cable for the Dreamcast and a special VGA to HDMI adapter box. The VGA also had the audio as left and right and had to be adapted into a 3.5mm on the HDMI adapter. So a tripper part system just to run the thing. Suprisingly though, lag seems imperceptible and the image is clearer than anything else I've tried, but the converter box has been discontinued and there is an issue in that the TV doesn't exactly know where to put the image on the screen so it may not be perfectly centered. But no flicker as VGA was a solid 480p image, and lag seems next to nothing which was my main concern. But color and clarity is fantastic. A pain in the ass to setup but it was worth it. Lag is probably terrible for competitive gaming but fine for couch gaming.

The recognised name of the "combing effect" is called "interlacing". PS2's display 480i i believe instead of 480p.

There are some tv's out there that can deinterlace well enough and not introduce lag via ossc pass thru. Try this with the PS2 library!

Open source scan converter & retro tink 2x pro are the best options. The Dreamcast has an HDMI mod. Wanna talk more in regards to retro hit me up! I'll be more than glad to help.

@NihingoGamer I’m an OSSC owner and the interlaced issue is just a matter of the content of the time. Old consoles like the SNES, Genesis, Saturn, PS1 and others from before the PS2/Dreamcast and others era put out progressive(240p) signals which is the OSSC’s strength in my opinion. After that you start getting mostly interlaced(480i) signals from all consoles even the Dreamcast is 480i standard you have to use vga to get the progressive scan signal. Also it sounds like you were using rgb scart with the PS2 setup which isn’t necessary wrong because the OSSC’s standard input is scart but you benefit more from component cables as the PS2 can output 480p with a lot of titles actually. Street Fighter Alpha anthology, Vampire collection, Garou: MotW YO! Tekken 4 looks amazing in progressive mode all you have to do is hold like x and /_\ when boot up the game. Also many of the SNK compilations that came out for PS2 output 240p for gameplay so the menus are bad but the games look great as you’d expect. Fatal Fury collection vol2 for sure does this so Real Bout 2 can be line........ quintupled to like 1200p. Your to or monitor has to be able to accept the signal or corse but it’s really cool so don’t sleep on the PS2 it has its strengths but CvS2 just isn’t one of them.

PS2 version of CVS2 is more problematic because it runs at half vertical resolution, which also prevent use of flicker-filter, even on CRT flicker was very noticiable. It also can't be run at a progressive resolution. Try comparing PS2 VF4 and VF4evo, both are 480i only, former has the same resolution as CVS2, later has full vertical res + flicker filter, making combing and flicker much less noticiable. DC VGA is kind of a mess (640 drawn inside 720), it isn't a problem with a VGA CRT as you can just stretch the image. OSSC bob deinterlacing is the only method which doesn't introduce lag (like 2 lines of delay), but it can't save PS2 half res interlace :)

In the OSSC you can use the passthrough option for PS2 it removes the flicker completely

I love my Dreamcast but hadn't played it in a long time since it just didn't look great on my HDTV. Same goes for my N64 as well. I have been emulating DC lately, specifically Tony Hawk 1 + 2 with the remake coming out soon. It looks fantastic with Redream on my Nvidia Shield and you can upscale to 4K if you want as well.

Might not work with this game but alot of games can be forced to progressive with a modded memory card with out doing anything permeant to the PS2.

Forgot to mention , you have to dial in optimal timings to make everything pixel perfect on a console by console basis for the ossc. FirebrandX makes profiles for most of the consoles out there. Also since you're in Japan , maybe try out the sailor moon fighter on your ossc?

Great video man. Me and my friends used the Pound cable for the dreamcast as well. Love the clean output it gives. Was wondering if you had a chance to try the Pound HDMI PS2 cable?

If you are able to run homebrew apps on your PS2 you can force some games to output in progressive picture instead of interlaced.

I like that Djeeta is on the background. 🙂 I need those solutions for my PS2 and Dreamcast!

I think the Dreamcast version is the winner here, just because it support 480p. The PS2 version Achilles heel is the lack of 480p support. Meaning that you have 3 main options, each with its caveats: 1. Bob de-interlacing like the OSSC does. With means that the image will flicker but no lag is introduced. 2. A high-quality 480i de-interlacing like how the Framemeister does but with 2-3 frames of lag. Plus spending 350+ dollars on it. 3. Directly connected to a TV with component cables. With might not introduced a flicker effect but it’ll definitively introduce more lag than the Framemeister. (Worse option, of course). Emulation is out of the question because it introduces lag as well. Also, I don’t understand why Capcom didn’t support 480p on the PS2. Technically, the PS2 is more powerful than the Dreamcast.

If you have a modded PS2, try running GSM (Graphics synthesizer mode). Night and day difference. Even on PS2 to HDMI.

Nice, not too much detail. The main issue I have with the OSSC is; I can record 240p content and it looks great upscaled but 480i just looks pixelated. Tekken and Tekken 2 look nice and clear but Tekken 3 is 480i and although you get used to it, it's a step down in quality. Trying to capture every Tekken game has been a nightmare because my choices for Tekken 3 are either blury image, pixelated image or combed image using a PS3. Eventually I decided to emulate it but then you don't get something that looks as authentic because you change the internal resolution artificially and then, I get a headache trying to justify spending money on real hardware for consistency when I could just emulate everything (or can you?) .

I use a beharbros Akura that works only for my dreamcast. I supplement that with a marseille gaming upscaler and that gives me the best picture possible on a modern HDMI TV.

Some Dreamcast games will not work with the pound cable because they are not compatible with the vga signal. If you really want the best solution there’s an hdmi mod for the console.

Correction: PS2 can output RGB, but you need to manually set that in the component out settings. 19:24 Guys, NO! I cannot stress this enough: DO NOT LINE DOUBLE 480i CONTENT. This line doubling is fine if you are sending the OSSC games that sun at 240p or 288p, because the signals are progressive. Meaning the OSSC has all the lines that make up the image right from the word go. But in 480i and 576i content, at any given time the OSSC only has half the lines that make up the image to work with. An interlaced signal alternates between the odd and even numbered lines separately. And so by line doubling interlaced content, you actually LOSE half the resolution to create a pesudo-progressive signal. If you must deinterlace PS2 games, you should use something like a Framemeister. Hell, even cheap SCART or Component to HDMI scalers will do a better job deinterlacing actual interlaced content than the OSSC.

Phantom buttons. Dreamcast is the GOAT.

Awesome video dude!! CvS2 is one of, if not the, best 2d fighters ever. I'm happy that more people are (re)discovering it! I'm looking forward to seeing how you modified that DC stick. I never got one when I had my DC hooked up bc I heard the stick wasn't good.

I recommend the mClassic adapter if you don't wanna spend too much and have an experience similar to the OSSC!

I use an Akura hdmi box from the beharbros. It works I'm assuming with no lag and is powered off the dreamcast unlike other alternatives. I also pair it with an Mclassic and it looks real nice to me. I still have an old component 32" crt I held onto for lightgun games.

Another option for playing PS2 games via HDMI is the PS3. Whether you're using an original backwards compatible model or modded a later model to unlock the built-in emulator, it's considered by many to offer the best picture for playing PS2 games on an HD television.

Love that silver ps2 slim 😍

Also if you want to completely get rid of interlacing on OBS just send the interlaced image through OSSC to OBS (maybe using passthrough mode or laced modes?) and make obs use YADIF 2x deinterlacing. the downside is that you cant really send this signal to the TV. That would make the TV use its built in interlacer which can be laggy/bad depending on your TV. What I do is use a component splitter straight into a Startech USB3HDCAP (that capture card is godlike for retro) and then use yadif 2x on the capture card source. then the OSSC goes into the TV/Monitor with bob deinterlacing. that is a little clunky tho because startech usb3hdcap needs custom drivers to handle 240p and thats a headache to setup.

that technological phenomenon you describe is called "interlacing" EDIT: ah a bit later in the video you use the word frequently Thanx for warning about that issue with PS2 to HDMI adapter! As my TV still has SCART i'll go that way for now instead

The fact that I have cvs2 running on a 60$ amazon tablet with a dreamcast emulator still blows my mind. It looks crispy from a distance but it's too HD that it NEEDS scanlines to blend in the small pixels on a characters face lol. I had forgot these type of games are meant to run on old tv's with scanlines to slightly blur out tiny details.

Theres also the retrotink 2x which is way cheaper. Less advanced than the OSSC, thus making it more user friendly and supports component/composite/svideo.

I am surfing youtube looking for ossc content while I wait for my to be delivered, seen many videos, yours it's one of the best GG

just a bit of context 90% of the issues are due to not HDMI but rather the TVs/capcards being VERY picky about what they receive IE Elgatos always want PERFECT resolution and when given one that isnt it does 1 of 2 things it STRETCHES it out,cuts pixels out or it tries to recenter it to the nearest resolution this is very similar to how TVs work they will take an output that isnt exact recenter the image and have null space to it now the closest interger scale resolution or it pulls the image. The darkening and washingout is due to the HDMI not setting the dynamic range correct or trying to compensate for some issue they perceived(dont do that give us settings if you wont give us the raw image). The Shimerring from the Interlacing is due to the Hrz rate dropping just below on some games causes the jitter or the interlaced frames to be seen as it dropped out of the 60HRz rat to 59.7-59.9 Hrz this is a major issue for the digital age has most monitor/tv/cap card cant display this so the box of choice either forces this to 60 flat causing this issues or the low end monitors and almost all tvs just wont accept the image or have the image drop out when it happens CRTs and OSSC have been the only ones i have found around this issue though running the OSSC Output through the frameister will clean up the HDMI signal to the flat 60 without the shimmering coming back but traded for a small bit of lag(1-2 frames). Sadly so far the only True option for accurate Retro games are CRTs, the OSSC, or the Framemeister(lag is an issue here but 1-2 frames at worst and component softening).

Ive been sitting on buying this. theres a OSSC pro in the works planed to release this year, apparently Original OSSC is JUST as good but pro version has alot more features. Tech world got my head spinning.

Oh boy, that rabbit hole you talked about, I am just coming out the other end of after finally purchasing a CRT on ebay for a ridiculous price :) The OSSC is a fantastic bit of kit for most consoles but if like me you're a PS2 exclusive collector, it's not worth it as the bob deinterlacing nquite frankly sucks.

do you also use the component inputs of the OSSC when you connect the dreamcast VGA cable?

Just get a CRT. They're free in America. That's how I got mine. People just throw them out. If you can lift 5,000 lbs. then you good.

I've been using the elgato HD, the old style that allows component input and hdmi output and it looks fine to me

Better to use ossc or framemeister plus two mclassic graphic processor

There's PS2 homebrew that can force the output to be 480P, regardless of if the game supports it natively

bob deinterlace is the fastest way to deinterlace; better looking deinterlacing (like what the framemeister can do) introduces 2-3 frames of lag

For dreamcast just go with Kaico Hdmi adapter

The dreamcast is almost identical to the arcade hardware used in Capcom FGs. That's why people always use the dreamcast for tournament games like MVC2, CvS2, an Third Strike

I've got a slim PS2, an american Dreamcast, & an original Xbox. I use Hyperkin HDMI converters on the PS2 & DC, and a Pound converter on the X. I also use the Brook PS3/PS4 controller converters for the PS2 and DC so I can use Dualshock 4s wirelessly, and fightsticks. I hope Brook comes out with one of those for the original Xbox, because those controllers are garbage. All 3 of these consoles are plugged into an HDMI switcher, along with my SNES Classic Mini, & PS3. The switcher is plugged into my LG 50" 4K.

My personal problem with emulating CVS2 on an HDMI screen: You need unreliable/power hungry emulators. With Dreamcast and PS2 emulators, you can't ajust input lag and you may get missing frames, stutter and missing inputs (latter being the most important). Cheers.

Try the PS2 and line double the 480i image to 960p that should fix things up a lot with the OSSC.

What capture card did you use for OSSC?

Apparently if you hold down the left trigger upon start up of the Dreamcast with this game inserted you will be allowed to play in old school arcade resolution of 320p, you should look into it. LONG LIVE THE DREAMCAST

Hey NG! Did you modify your Dreamcast stick? Will there be a video about that? I would love to see more of it. Edit: watches the video to the end, see that’s there will be a video-oops. Lol.

The pound cable looks amazing on my tv. Everything is crisp and clear but when I run it through my elgato it looks bad.

Ps2 and Dreamcast can output RGB, you just need to buy Scart RGB cables. Especially for Dreamcast.

OSSC ordered thanks to your video! Just waiting in it to get here from China. It’s taking looooooooooong with this Covid 19 thing.

As you’re in JP, why not just source Blast City cabs and sell them? I’d buy one...

I really hope that they have plans for CvSNK3. For they’ll sell decent amounts in minutes

What about Cap Vs SNK 2 PS3 port, does it also flicker?

The simplest and cheapest solution is to just go out and buy a CRT TV. Old stuff look like absolute ass on modern day HDTVs. Not to mention the added latency. If you want to stream it, you can tap the signal out however you want.

And now i need a solution to use modern Arcade Sticks with the Dreamcast. :)

I use a emulator rip my ps2 games to the HDD upscale the game and looks fantastic. Grabbed the BIOS from the ps2

My main issue with the adapter is it get like a one second delay can anyone help me

i'm waiting for citruspsi3000 internal hdmi like the dchdmi, and oh i forgot you can force 480p on some games on ps2 by pushing triangle and x on booting a game or mcboot with opl using a pata hard drive.

Best way to play PS2 games is on a launch PS3

Funny enough yesterday was listening to this game ost, haven't played this in years

Go try it on a pvm crt which has built in component output for streaming

Should outs to DCdigital (formally DCHDMI) for a perfect lagless fully digital Dreamcast!

I still have an old color television, good 2 for those situations. And some friends tell me that the free screens that the Government gave in my country have no problem because they are simple.

At high level.... get DCHDMI or now called DCDigital (copyright issue with the HDMI name). All top Dreamcast streams of MVC2 and CVS2 are adopting DCDigital as the standard. At middle level.... get any of the products from Behar Bros. They have an HDMI box, VGA box, as well as a SCART box. Emulators are fine... but things like accuracy and lag will hold you back from being a "pro player". NullDC Online has been constantly being tweaked and getting much better. They have been hosting tournaments with this method for a good while now PS2 to HDMI and Pound cables? They are good for absolute casual gaming of CVS2. But meh... you get what you paid for.

Emulators are the easiest solutions. And like you said they are NOT illegal. It baffles me how so many people don't understand this.

imma just say it, emulators now run better than discs. Not better than arcades/carts. But better than discs. PCSX2 and Redream are great, and NOT illegal these people claiming otherwise really need to "do their research."

The PS2 is awkward, the Dreamcast came out near a year or two before and didn't have de-interlaced/480p natively like the Dreamcast and Xbox. Also hardly any games (Tekken 3, The Getaway with RGB scart, Gran Turismo 3 etc)

You missed Retrotink 2x and DCHMDI/DC Digial.

I have component to HDMI converter... Works nice looks decent

Okay, so question...I actually have an older Elgato model that outputs HDMI, and has input for HDMI, but also has a seperate AV port and I have an adapter that allows me to plug a PS2 directly into the Elgato. How's the capture on a set up like that? Normally I play my PS2 on a CRT I have, but if I wanted to capture/stream it, I was gonna use the Elgato naturally, so how might an image through there come out? I'm still getting some equipment for streaming, and game capture, so I haven't had a chance to test it myself yet.

So does this get rid of input lag entirely?

Can the OSSC play ps1 games using component?

CvS2 soundtrack is top tier

I play it on emulator Redream i have a blast with it and runs very well.

Hey not related to this video but can you please tell me what the best tablet is for manga

The Kaico adaptor for the Saturn it's good. I use it with the MClassic and I like it. The company makes PS2 adapters too. I love the Dreamcast.

GBS 8200 with GBS control custom firmware is a cheap solution for PS2. Looks great for 480i.

Hey there @Nihongogamer, Broken record guy from twitter here. DM me on Twitter if you need help or want to know how to set up the PS2 or GameCube/Wii Emulators specifically as those are the only emulators I know of that are built to let you run games straight off the disc.

I only know obs. Is that software Xvid?

Just use vga monitor?

Dreamcast on OSSC 480p line2x is the best!