The whole Thank Goodness number actually happens in the Emerald City after Madame Morrible spreads fear about Elphaba, my guess is the flower fields could be one of the opening scenes for the movie, since No One Mourns The Wicked Glinda is in Munchkinland proclaiming Elphaba’s “death” (the leaked footage from set last year confirms this)
😬The book is so different. Game of Thrones different. Suffice to say that they don't have a problem with Fiyero being the scarecrow in the book. The musical made a couple of clever changes and callbacks to make a great self-contained piece of musical theater. It will be interesting to see how different this goes. I also love how the Dorothy track in the musical is off-stage and I know they put the more explicit movie-OZ imagery in the trailer because most of the people seeing it are in Wicked kindergarten and aren't possibly schooled in deconstructionist literature and that's for them. Its _hilarious_ that the entire drama of The Wizard of Oz is not even the main thing concerning the Wicked characters. You never really see her in the book either - Dorothy is a pawn and the Wizard's _secret weapon_ and the Twister is _mentioned_ (like how you hear on the news about a tornado that happened in another state) but Elphaba's perspective is her sister died. I think Elphaba grouses to herself in the middle of other things about how frustrated she is trying to reason every day with this farm girl to take off her shoes when all she does is weep...which they turned into comedy in the show. I'm sure they _could have_ paid for the rights for the original film iconography, but it's funnier and more in the spirit of Wicked if they don't bother. I'm 99% sure this movie isn't going to invent scenes with Dorothy... _this ain't her show._
Hopefully that is one thing from the books that gets added in so Fiyero isn't turned into the scarecrow, and that Boq isn't turned into the Tinman, that was such a dumb change in the musical
@@Legacysong2012 In the books elphaba actually assumed the scarecrow was fiyero. I don't think it was a "dumb change" for the musical, I actually think it was clever and added more to the story.
13:58 This particular bit isn’t a workaround, because most of Dorothy’s appearance is in the public domain, since she was described in the original 1900 novel described her as having silver shoes, a gingham dress, and a little black dog, around age 10 or 11. The silver shoes in the musical take after the Wicked novel, which take after “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” novel. They also can allow for the lion because he’s an actual lion-rather than the copyrighted “man in a lion costume walking upright” thing they had going on in 1939-in the novels. Many other coloring choices (in both the stage and film) reflect ethnic characteristics of Ozians in the 1900 novel: Glinda and her servants are wearing purple (along with her trademark pink) because she’s from Gilikin Country, where the traditional color is purple. The little children in the tulip field are wearing red because they’re Quadlings, and Avaric wears yellow on stage because he’s a Winkie. Shiz’s uniforms are blue because it’s a Munchkinland college.
Avaric isn't a Winkie, unless you are referring to the fact that "Fiyero" in the musical is just Avaric in the books? Avaric is Gilikin like Ginda, Fiyero is the Arjiki prince from the Vinkus, called Winkie Country
The shoes are silver in the original Wizard Of Oz book as well. The only reason for being ruby in the 1939 movie is because they popped in the Technicolor process.
My theory is that if the Dorothy footage is in part 1, the movie is going to start with the end of the Wizard of Oz just to familiarize the audience and then the shot of Glinda getting in her bubble machine is her leaving Oz and flying to Muchkinland for No One Mourns the Wicked.
@@ferosha99 exactly! I wouldn’t be surprised if the opening shot of the movie is that hat scene we see with all the steam around it. Then cut to Oz with Dorothy stepping in the room. I’m so excited to see what they do!
Right, the slippers were made ruby to show off the advancement that was Technicolor. Plus most of the books of Oz entered the public domain this year, maybe that’s why they can show Dorothy as depicted in the books- the movie itself will enter the public domain in 2034.
Dr. Dillamond will not be James Corden. But I'm 90% sure it's gonna be Lin Manuel Miranda. Especially considering him and Jon Chu have worked together on In The Heights
I swear to god if I go and sit down in a movie theater to watch wicked and see James Cordens name or face I will actually cry....partly from laughter partly from sadness
Concerning Dr. Dillamond, Bowen Yang confirmed that the character is in the films. However, he stated that it was a female puppeteer standing in as a voice had not been cast yet. So Idina or Kristin being a cameo voice is very plausible.
1:42 you forgot the 2013 movie Oz The Great And Powerful, although I’m not deep into Oz lore so maybe that’s a different thing (I’m not saying it’s a GOOD movie, just one that takes place in Oz)
ShenShen was on the right side of the screen behind Galinda when they were commenting on the character, not the left. IMDB credits Bronwyn James for ShenShen; Bowen Yang is credited as Pfannee.
Apart from "WICKED", I have to say, Sam & Ryan, that you are both fantastic people. The way you have handled the changes in your relationship, remained friends, and still make great videos, together and individually, on this channel, is such a positive and wonderful example for all of your loyal viewers. Thank You both so much.
I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering where Dr. Dillamond is. He quite literally is the catalyst for soooooooo many plot points within the book/musical.
I think the two main reasons he’s not shown in the teaser are it’s a spoiler for a cameo (very likely Idina) and also CGI will take longer to create and perfect, so putting out a teaser now they probably won’t have finalised the CGI yet
@@la.uraloxYes! And knowing how much backlash films get from bad CGI characters they probably want to make sure it looks perfect before they reveal anything
@@ferosha99 exactly! They can show the cgi locations as they’ve been able to work on them before/during filming, but they have to use an actor to create the movements and a separate one for voice acting to then cgi the character so I’m assuming they’re still working on that
If I’m not mistaken, Dorothy’s shoes are actually silver in the book. So, they’re also being true to the original source material. Love watching how excited y’all are!
Has anyone thought maybe the "riff" at the end of the trailer is just a "maybe" riff? Think for a minute...do you really think they only had her record just ONE riff?? I'm sure she did multiple and different ways! It's possible that this was the TEST to see how people responded to it only to put in another record of her riff at the end of defying gravity? Thoughts?
when i saw the trailer during the super bowl i jumped 10 feet off my couch and i looked insane my family was so confused because they hate theatre!!! 😛😛
I'll be interested to find out who Miss Coddle is because Keala Settle is gonna kill it in that role... I'm now glad we had to wait so long, it was cause we were waiting for Jon M. Chu's cinematic eye... Because Y 'all this is stunning.....
"Fun fact" (kinda): Hamburg, Germany, put on an original production w/ a different world building style, costumes, effects, character & stage designs, musical changes etc. In this show, you fully see Dorothy once by herself after she arrives & together w/ the Tinman, Lion & Scarecrow at least two times. Actually, during "Elphaba's death" scene, they're all there. No curtain, Elphaba threatens the Scarecrow with fire, Dorothy dumps the bucket on her & she fastly "melts away" through a trap door w/ green lights, lots of smoke & a scream right on stage. The others yell happily & leave. Fiyero "plays" his friendly Scarecrow part until the wizard leaves on command by Glinda & then gets to Elphi in her hiding place to leave Oz together. I don't know how they treat the rights in non-Broadway productions, but the story of "The Wizard of Oz" is public domain & as long you dont't include obvious elements of the 1939 movie (like ruby slippers, "Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore", songs etc.), using those book characters should be legal & in fair use for whatever you want. Want a Glinda in Game of Thrones? There she is... getting murdered. So I guess to involve those characters w/out references to the Judy Garland film, falls under "fair use of public domain" & is therefore allowed.* (*Just my personal take away. I'm not a lawyer nor a legal advisor.) I watched the show in Hamburg twice & it was very cool to see Dorothy and the gang on stage w/ a few lines, as well as Elphaba melting without a curtain. She also flies on her broom over the audience at the end of Defying Gravity in this particular production. Very sad that Covid took away most of their run time. :(
I was so happy when I saw this was on my home page. I was patiently waiting for a Sam & Ryan reaction. I'm so excited. I really want to see Wicked on stage before I see the movie. I probably sound like a fake fan not seeing it already, but I fell in love with Defying Gravity and I've been trying to see it on stage, but life keeps happening and preventing me from seeing it. I'm reserving myself to have a reaction to the battle cry until I see the movie, because I know it's going to be amazing.
I think the reason the shoes are silver is because they were in the book and when they were brought to screen originally they need to be more of a pop when everything became colorful
Don’t forget, wicked was a MASSIVE. Book before it was the musical, the musical had to condense so much that it missed the way that the book worked in and re skinned parts of the wizard of oz in a way that dodged any copyrights of the time, hence the silver slippers and ect. Which is why I think we’re gonna be able to see so much more of that part if the story, so long as they pull all of their “wizzard of oz” plot points from the wicked book adaptation, possibly bypassing/finding a loophole to the very strict copyright from the original wizard of oz
Hot Take: “Thank Goodness” is boring and too long in my opinion 14:04 it could be referring to the original silver slippers that Dorthy wears in the book series as well. As Ryan pointed out there is some copy write issues regarding the 1939 film starring Judy Garland as the Ruby slippers are not in the public domain (this color change was actually a design choice because color was fairly new to film and Technicolor/MGM Studios wanted a color that would pop) so in order to get around it in productions like The Wiz and Wicked they reverted back to Silver
I suspect Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz teasers are intended to draw in people who aren't familiar with the musical or the Wicked book. It's very possible that Dorothy won't be a big part of the movie, but she's a draw for moviegoers who wouldn't otherwise take an interest in seeing this film. It's entirely possible that what's in the teaser is actually most of the Dorothy/Wizard of Oz scenes.
I'm OBSESSED with Wicked and have been since 2013 and have seen it so many times. Excited is an understatement. The visuals are incredible from what I've seen of the trailer and the costumes are a perfect blend of screen and theatre. Only thing I'm nervous about is that almost every line they have shown in the teaser are NOT lines from the show. They have similarities but the words have changed enough for me to wonder that if in the trailer most words are changed, how much of the script will be changed in the whole movie? Wicked is iconic and the reason its been on broadyway and west end without changes to the script is because it is so well written so I'm excited but nervous to see the changes
In the non-replica Brazilian production of Wicked this transition of Fiyero and Glinda getting married is way more on the nose. After the Wicked Witch of the East and Boq on stage transformation scene, Elphaba had run out to the Emerald City claiming it was her fault that the monkeys were the way they were and she had to set them free. She decides that after hearing from Boq's verse in Wicked Witch of the East that Glinda and Fiyero are getting married. In this production, Elphaba arrives at the Emerald city durring this transition at stage level just in time to see Glinda and Fiyero coming to a balcony on the side of the proscenium arch share a kiss and wave as waving to the crowds
Also Fiyero planned to throw the water at Elphaba so she could pretend to "unalive" in the musucal, its a clear and planned idea that him and Elphaba decide upon in the Wicked musical. And so him being with Dorothy and the gang™️ in that one shot makes total sense, he comes along with them so he could make things believable
i haven’t read all the comments so it’s probably mentioned , but shows were silver in books too. i read them . all in second and third grade. love this channel
Sam--never fear, be proud of your 20 viewings--i'm at least twice your age, and I'm quite certain I've watched it at least 40 times in the last couple of days! 😂 Ryan--nice catch with the usage restrictions on the depiction of Oz from the 1939 film, if I'm not mistaken, Disney ran into the same problem with the original version of the Big Movie Ride at the Studios. For quite some time, there was a huge gap with literally nothing shown when they couldn't get the licensing for the tornado itself. I definitely want to look into that more! Having said that, i'm not sure that this is the reason that the slippers are silver, rather, I believe that they're silver, not Ruby red in the original book. Anybody!
I believe the Galinda wedding sequence is a fantasy either from 'popular' or 'not that girl.' Have y'all seen any non replica productions? Like the one from Germany?
It is cool that we finally get a world to Wicked, because the stage show is designed to look like the inside of the Time Dragon Clock, with puppets reenacting the events like in the book. The movie dropped that because it doesn’t work as well without the dragon structure looming overhead, so they’re forced to make it into a more literal world.
Okay, I remember someone saying that when filming, Dr. Dil was being portrayed by a puppeteer. They said he would later by CGI'd into the film. But we just don't know who the voice actor is!
Fun fact the slippers have always been silver, the only reason the shoes were made into ruby was because the silver color didn’t “pop” in the original and they were going for the “color” factor back in those days.
We also saw the land of Oz depicted on screen in OZ THE GREAT AND POWERFUL, but you can be forgiven for forgetting about that one. 😀 Also, I'm not convinced we'll actually see that much of Dorothy and friends in the finished film(s). I feel like they included those shots of her in the teaser to give uninitiated viewers the context that this is related to THE WIZARD OF OZ.
Hey y’all! Two Oz nerds here and we love this! 👋❤👋quick add: Oz has had more cinematic realizations since THE WIZ in 1978 including Disney’s sequel and prequel RETURN TO OZ- ‘80s fantasy kindertrauma- and the 2013 OZ THE GREAT AND POWERFUL- disowned by most Oz fans 🤣🤣. But this is the first film since MGM that feels like it will have that Oz lasting power. Can’t wait!!!
I have a feeling that some of the second movie scenes could be in the first movie due to elphies visions and then the visions will be fulfilled in the second movie
Knowing the story about copyrights etc about Dorothy I was soooo surprised when the Finnish version of Wicked (non-replica, back in 2011) was allowed to have Dorothy and Toto on stage AND have the ruby slippers. I found it so interesting, but I think it would have been waay confusing for the audience in Finland since the Wizard of Oz is not as much a cultural institution here. Don't know whether Dorothy has been featured in other non-replicas!
They actually did this in Germany as well. Brand new production. Different musical arrangement, staging, costumes. And they showed Dorothy and Toto. I’m also pretty sure the slippers were red. It’s was a year ago I think. I only got to see it once so I’m not sure about the details.
i have a feeling that they are gonna do a story book vibe, by cutting from past to present so people that only know Wizard of Oz will understand Wicked
They will start the movie with Dorthy and then do a rewind to show the true story since this is only supposed to be part one of the movie. And I don't think it will be seven hours in total. Probably like 2 hours each. So four hours total is my guess with the broadway show being 2 hours and 45 minutes (remove intermission) so that could be 1 hour and 15 minutes of additional dialogue and book content!
I think the scene with Dorothy with the tin man, scarecrow, and the Lion is likely to be the finale scene of the Wicked part two because, at this point, Fiyero isn't the scarecrow yet and it wouldn't make sense going back and forth with Fiyero as human and then scarecrow again plus it's good to end the first movie with Defying Gravity being the last scene because the song is at the end of act one
I’ve never heard of these weird legal restrictions on showing oz…but the slippers were silver in the original wizard of oz book. And the wicked book. I think they’re just basing it off what’s book accurate?
I have so many theories about this movie lol. I think the shot of Dorothy et al. Is from the beginning of part one. I think what we saw of the back of them is all we’ll see til the end. It’ll start with the wizard giving them the instructions to kill elphaba and then it cuts to NOMTW. I also think that keala settles character who no one knows what she is could be the dr dillamond, a new version of the character
I will say, I think Universal is the company who made the film, so if they do have the copyright to the og wizard of oz, that may be why they can use some story elements of wizard of oz & we may see the wizard of oz story through the wicked musical lense, but thats just my theory
The Great & Powerful Oz…Return to Oz…the miniseries Tin Man…Once Upon A Time…and the super unappreciated awesome miniseries Emerald City…there have been MANY returns to Oz since The Wiz. lol
